March 18, 2010 4:45 PM

Health Reform's Real Effect on Abortion

(CBS/AP)  President Obama's health care bill would change federal policy on abortion, but not open the spigot of taxpayer dollars that some abortion opponents fear.

Abortion rights groups such as NARAL Pro-Choice America say the House and Senate versions of the bill represent the biggest expansion of abortion restrictions in years, yet they're not trying to defeat the measures. Instead, a bitter dispute among abortion opponents over which version is stricter could derail Mr. Obama's quest to remake the health insurance system.

President Obama appealed to the public Monday for help pushing lawmakers to vote for his proposal.

"They need to hear your voices because right now the Washington echo chamber is in full throttle," Mr. Obama said at a town hall at Arcadia University in Glenside, Pennsylvania. "The time for talk is over. We need to see where people stand."

CBS News senior White House correspondent Bill Plante reports his speech was just the latest attempt to raise the temperature in Congress and try to get everyday Americans to push their representatives toward reform.

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CBS News chief Washington correspondent Bob Schieffer says Obama has made a "very important shift" in his strategy to sell health reform to the American people.

"He's not so much running against Republicans as he's running against the insurance companies themselves," Schieffer told "Eary Show" co-anchor Harry Smith on Tuesday.

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Major anti-abortion groups such as the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and the National Right to Life Committee say the Senate provisions expected to come before the House shortly are a backdoor taxpayer subsidy for abortion. Other abortion opponents disagree.

"I actually think the Senate bill will more effectively prohibit federal funds from going to abortion," said Stephen Schneck, director of the Institute for Policy Research & Catholic Studies at Catholic University of America in Washington. "That legislation will actually reduce the demand for abortion in the United States."

Here's a look in question and answer form at a simmering conflict that is vexing House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., as she and other Democratic leaders try to find enough votes to pass health care:

Q: Obama said he wouldn't tamper with the status quo on abortion, so what's the problem?

A: That's what he said, but it's not exactly what happened.

Current law - known as the Hyde amendment - prohibits federal funding for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

The first drafts of the Democratic health care bills, written by abortion rights supporters in Congress, would have allowed health insurance plans receiving federal subsidies to cover abortion as a legal medical procedure. They couldn't get the votes to advance, so eventually Democratic abortion foes took over writing the language. But any trust abortion opponents might have had in the administration was gone.

The House and Senate ended up passing different provisions.

Q: OK, what are some of the differences?

A: Both bills would set up a new health insurance marketplace for small businesses and people buying coverage on their own, with government subsidies to help keep premiums affordable. That's the similarity.

Here's the key difference: The House provision, written by Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., would prohibit health plans receiving subsidies from covering abortions, except as allowed by the Hyde amendment. Women who want coverage for abortion would have to buy a separate policy.

The Senate language, written by Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Neb., would allow the plans to cover abortion with private funds collected directly from policyholders. People who want the coverage would have to write two checks to their health insurance plan, and the plans would keep the money in a separate account from taxpayer funds.

With the Senate bill going back to the House, Obama is asking Democrats to unite behind it.

Q: Would the Senate bill change the status quo?

A: Yes. The federal employee health benefits program is seen as the model for the new insurance marketplace, and none of the plans available to government workers may cover abortion, except as allowed by Hyde.

"It would be a pretty significant change," said Kristen Day, executive director of Democrats for Life of America. Stupak and Nelson, both longtime abortion foes, serve on the group's advisory board. Day said Stupak's approach is preferable, because it closely follows existing law. But the Senate rejected it, forcing Nelson to develop his plan as a fallback.

Q: Does that mean the Senate bill allows taxpayer money for abortions?

A: Douglas Johnson, legislative director for the National Right to Life Committee, says money is fungible, and the separation between taxpayer funds and private premiums is only a fig leaf.

"The Senate bill departs from long-standing federal policy by authorizing tax subsidies to help tens of millions of Americans buy private health plans that could cover abortion on demand," said Johnson. "Anyone enrolling in such plan would be required to make separate payments into an abortion fund."

But Timothy Jost, a law professor at Washington and Lee University, analyzed the two bills and concluded the only difference is an administrative technicality.

"What Stupak says is you have to buy a separate policy, and what Nelson says is you have to write two checks," said Jost. "There's no public funding of abortion."

And people who don't want to pay for other people's abortions wouldn't be forced to do so, Jost added. They could simply pick a plan that doesn't cover it.

Q: What are the odds that health plans which don't cover abortion would be available?

A: There would definitely be a demand for them, and not just from people with moral objections. Single men and older women would have no reason to pay an extra premium for abortion coverage.

"Because this is such a hot political issue, my expectation is that insurance companies would definitely offer it both ways," said Robert Laszewski, a former health insurance executive turned consultant.

Abortion coverage is now widely available through workplace health plans, but many women who have abortions pay out of pocket instead of using their insurance.

Q: Don't abortion opponents have other concerns about the bill?

A: A major one has to do with $11 billion that Obama wants to pump into community health centers serving low-income people and the uninsured. As the bill is currently written, those funds are not explicitly covered by the Hyde amendment.

White House health overhaul spokeswoman Linda Douglass says Obama is willing to clarify the language.

Q: What are the odds that these disputes can be worked out?

A: Stupak sounded optimistic Monday. "The president says he doesn't want to expand or restrict current law (on abortion). Neither do I," Stupak said. "I think we can get there."

Abortion opponent Rev. Derrick Harkins, pastor of the Nineteenth St. Baptist Church in Washington, said he believes it ultimately could hurt the anti-abortion cause if the health care bill collapses because of the divisive issue.

"You can't be blanket pro-life and not address those things that encourage women to make the choice of having an abortion," said Harkins, a board member of World Relief, the humanitarian arm of the National Association of Evangelicals. "If you are really looking to reduce the number of abortions in America, one of the things that will make that happen is to have comprehensive health care coverage."

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by chitown639 March 10, 2010 3:58 PM EST
These Social Conservatives are wasting their time relying on the Republicans to ban abortion, because it will never happen. The government will never force women to have babies. The Republicans have had control of every branch of government the majority of the time in the last decade or so, and what exactly have they've gotten done to ban abortion....NOTHING!!! As a matter of fact, on every social conservative issue Republicans have failed when with prayer in schools, immigration, gay rights, gun control and discrimination.
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by RedWings_ninety_one March 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST
I belive that abortion should only be used when the life of the mother is threatened. Someone once told me "It's better to have lived, even for a minute, than to have never lived at all."

Empire-George-, if you see this, I have some news for you, tomorrow. I'm available to tell you from 1:49 PM to 3:00 PM.
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by Empire-George- March 10, 2010 3:38 PM EST
by RedWings_ninety_one March 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST

Coming from someone with such a wealth of life experience, I appreciate your respect for life, especially those who can not advocate for themselves...the unborn
by noloyalisti March 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST
But you just said this is comprehensive health bill. And the right to choose for women is a significant women's health issue. Since reproductive choice is also legal, there is NO reason it should not be part of comprehensive health reform.

Using your reasoning, we should not have to all pay for (or have in the bill) money for vision correction since we ALL don't wear glasses.
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by velma179 March 10, 2010 2:39 PM EST
noyloyalsti,
I think (?) you are talking to me... but since you didn't use "Reply" -- I am not certain.

You don't seem to grasp my reasoning. I don't think ANY specific issue that relates to any one specific group should be able to STOP health care/insurance reform for ALL Americans from going forward.

If some Congressman was saying he was going to stop it because vision correction services would be paid for (even when an existing law prohibits that funding, making the issue moot...) -- I'd say the same exact thing I wrote here.

Let these specific issues -- especially when they are as volatile and divisive as the abortion debate -- be handled in legislation that is specific.

By the way -- these is absolutely nothing in any of the HCR legislation that restricts the right to choose -- that is the law of the land and this right is not being infringed upon -- the issues here are all about funding and only about funding.
The Hyde amendment already covers the funding issue quite succinctly -- any building on (or tearing down of) that established law should be taken up in separate legislation, not in this HCR bill.
by velma179 March 10, 2010 1:46 PM EST
The abortion issue should not be one that affects health care/insurance reform. Let this argument be stand alone and not included in the overhaul of our health care/costs systems.

Why?

Because the USA is made up of a lot more people that JUST women of child bearing age.
Why should a baby, or a child (female before menses onset) or a woman who has left the reproductive years (as all do) or ANY male have this issue be a deciding factor in whether they can afford competent health care?

We all need health care -- but we all can't give birth or choose not to do so.

People who want to argue choice, right to life or any type of financing issues need to do so in legislation that is specific to the subset of our population that this applies to and them only. Not in THIS comprehensive legislation. Period.
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by chitown639 March 10, 2010 1:29 PM EST
Wow, we may get through a whole week without a single terrorist attack by a Tea Bagger!!!
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by Empire-George- March 10, 2010 2:37 PM EST
by chitown639 March 10, 2010 1:29 PM EST

Wow, we may get through a whole week without a single terrorist attack by a Tea Bagger!!!
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Instead we have a constant assault by Health-Baggers instead !!!
by noloyalisti March 10, 2010 1:27 PM EST
Make sure if you know any Tea Baggers you let them know: we know they want equality and justice and freedom for their kind (middle aged male white people) ONLY and the heck with everyone else.

Listen to the nut case Glenn Beck comparing progressives to both extremist right wingers (Nazis) and extreme left wing communists (Stalin). Let's nip this racist, white supremacist, right wing militia movement in the bud. NOW. These wackos are DANGEROUS!
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by countrycuz1 March 10, 2010 12:02 PM EST
It's all about Obama and Co. grabbing power. The patronage will be enormous and by dangling such a massive entitlement program it'll ensure the incumbents re-election. As for abortion...once the world socialists seize control they'll just mandate this in.
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by Palin_for_Presidentess March 10, 2010 12:36 PM EST
Uh huh. And there's no such thing as global warming, and the US has the best health care system in the world and torturing people keeps us safe, etc....

The problem is, no one (not even you people) believe all your lies anymore.
by steeepe March 10, 2010 1:17 PM EST
Yea, I'd rather keep power concentrated in the hands of the big companies.
by rockcutr March 10, 2010 10:09 AM EST
There is a choice for those who believe one way or another, to go where they choose on the issue of aborton. If in fact, the pro-lifers get their way and all abortion be banned, it is most likely that back alley way abortions shall happen. Rather than under the care of physians. People seem to want to have their way and force All others to follow. This seems to stem from the not so religous right. These so called Christians choose to judge. Where clearly it is written, "judgement is Mine," saith the Lord. How you choose to believe is your business. But, you all are speaking out of both sides of your mouths. It would not be a stretch to say, there are no churches or congregations which are abortion free. These people are forgiven if they ask. Yet, pounding on a table and living in anger over an event which has not happened yet. Well, that is just not in the Light of Christ.
Grow up and drop this issue. Live by example. You would do so much more for the cause of Christianity when not looking so inept and unknowledgeable in the Word.
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by slownewsday_____ March 10, 2010 11:27 AM EST
What a great post - thank you.
by Palin_for_Presidentess March 10, 2010 12:08 PM EST
Three words: black market RU486.
by 50BMS13 March 9, 2010 10:18 PM EST
I'l be dammmmmmned if I have to pay for your abortion! Obama and Pelosi are trying to make abortion easy and paid for....sickening!
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by ForChoice March 10, 2010 2:18 AM EST
I'd prefer to pay for someone's abortion (about $400) than to pay for their unwanted/unplanned child's welfare. It's a lot cheaper. Sometimes the road to personal responsibility starts when we're all willing to chip in to take care of each other. Oh, and abortion is a medical issue, not a moral one.
by Zann-Zel March 10, 2010 10:01 AM EST
wow. and still today at the top of the page it says:

P Analysis: President's Health Care Bill Would Alter Federal Policy, But Experts See No Gov't Funded Abortions

Did ya see the word NO..........
It clearly states there will be NO government funded abortions.

Its like people see that one word and thats it - they don't read anything else, they just start screaming!
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by HGOODGUY March 9, 2010 9:33 PM EST
An open question for all those in uniform.

You Medical Coverage is supplied by the Government.

The same Government that operates Medicare.

How is your coverage?
Are you satisfied with it?
How will you replace it when you become a civilian?

If you have war related injuries will you be pre-existed by the insurance company?

If you answer these questions honestly, you will be describing the Public Option.

It is simply a stop-gap that you can use or not use and not the "Evils of Socialism by the Imaginary Boogie Man"!!!
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