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CBS/ February 19, 2010, 11:49 AM

Did School Spy on Kid at Home via Webcam?

There's an uproar in a suburban Philadelphia school district over privacy and security. School officials are being accused of using webcams to find out what students are doing at home.

CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller reports all 2,300 high school students in the Lower Merion School District have school-issued Apple laptops equipped with webcams that can be activated remotely.

Suit: Schools Spied on Students Via Webcam

Tom Halpern, a student who attends the accused school, told CBS News, "Everybody's pretty disgusted."

Halpern was referring to a federal lawsuit alleging school administrators used one such device to spy on a student in the privacy of his own home.

Karen Gotlieb, a parent of a student who attends the school, said, "I just received an e-mail from my daughter, who is very upset, saying, 'Mom, I have my laptop open in my room all the time, even when I'm changing."

The school district says the webcams are only activated when the computers are "lost or stolen."

The parents of Blake Robbins haven't spoke out yet, but in court papers filed Wednesday, they claim a school official activated the web cam last year for a different purpose, suspecting the Harriton High sophomore was "engaged in improper behavior at home." The lawsuit also claims Robbins was later confronted with a photograph from the webcam that was allegedly taken as evidence.

Privacy advocates are in an uproar.

Lillie Coney, associate director of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, a public interest research center, said, "This definitively was not a safe or a secure even a rational thing for the school to be engaged in, if this is, in fact, what they did."

For a closer look at how parents and students are dealing with this issue, "The Early Show" turned to Savanna Williams, a sophomore at Harriton High School, and her mother, Gotlieb.

Williams said she always keeps her computer open, its webcam exposed. She told "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez she has her computer open when she's changing in her bedroom and in the bathroom when she's taking a shower.

Williams said she was shocked to hear about the accusations against the school.

"Someone told me in my chem class and I e-mailed my mom right way," Williams said. "I was like, 'Mom, I have this open all the time. … This is disturbing.'"

She added the entire school is worried about what the school could potentially be watching.

Williams' mother said the possibility of this being true is a "complete violation of her privacy, of our entire home -- not just Savanna."

"They have the option to watch myself, my husband, my other child," Gotleib said. "They violated our trust. I think that's really the most significant part here is that this was a school district that we chose. We moved a thousand miles across the country specifically to be in this school district, which spoke volumes for my trust in them. And it's also quite possibly a violation of Pennsylvania law."

Rodriguez pointed out that the school district has deactivated the cameras on the laptops. However, Williams says she doesn't feel safe using her computer at home. She doesn't get changed anymore with her laptop open.

She said, "I've lost a lot of trust for my school district, and I'd like to be reassure that had I can get changed in my own bedroom with my laptop open without having to be worried that someone's watching me."

Williams said she just wants some kind of reassurance from the school.

"(I'm) not sure how they're going to do it," she said, "but (I need) something that tells me I can do things in my own home without being worried that had my principals are watching me."
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wildhairedgirl says:
Are you kidding me? Plain and Simple. If someone was watching MY children undress wouldnt that be considered CHILD PORNOGRAPHY!!
And by obtaining the footage without consent has to be breaking a number of laws. If these allegations prove to be true then the school should be prosecuted with felony charges. Can a school be registered as a sex offender?
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mjlewis6 says:
YOu can bet the School District executive meetings and School Board meetings think their executive sessions are immune to any eavedropping or video camera recordings of their on-going minutes!

I think EVERYONE should carry a camera to be able to CATCH thieves, insiders, bribes and blatant discrimination along with crimes of violence on their cameras. EVEN IN SCHOOL. But off-campus? The school district clearly was aware of their own spying capability.

Also, I think the home is OFF LIMITS as well as SEX as a private issue and should NOT be subject to state conformist laws and should be de-penalized for 'kids'. The law is set artificially high for age.
Likely, it is set up so that parents can use the state to prosecute or in the absence of parents, the state can prosecute.

When it is working....it is working and maturity has to catch up, period. Let's stop ALL state intrusion into private lives.
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MrLanders says:
Has anyone yet PROVEN the school district actually did any of the voyeuristic things that blond one and blond two seem "sure" happened as they try to make some money off this situation? Shouldn't everyone wait to see the outcome of the investigation before concluding any peeping actually occurred?
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SchuminWeb says:
That to me sounds like reason enough for students, with full support of the parents, to wipe that laptop and install a clean copy of Mac OS X on that thing so that they can be absolutely certain that all the back doors on that thing that the school system is using to spy on people with are CLOSED. It's really none of the school system's business what happens off the property, and that kind of behavior is nosing into some serious privacy breaches.
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justcommonsense2me replies:
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Hmmm, reinstall would violate laws or policy as the laptop likely belongs to the school not the student, but I will admit I'm not aware of the exact situation.

If a parent is concerned, turn in the laptop, request a list of the school required functionality and use the current family computer (or buy one).

Sounds simple to me...... I think if they trusted the school to begin with, they shouldn't allow a bump in the road to turn into a sink hole.

But I do think the school should very simply communicate the requirements and capabilities before the parents would accept such a device.
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barbaram99 says:
I am a ware children are not always the darlings their parents wish they were. They are not..Yet the constution grants rights to all. There is no need to shy in a child's home..Parents need to realise when yer children step off the school grounds -the school is not there to spy on them to see that they do the right thing..Parents are the ones to teach values..Those values are right from wrong..common sense etc.
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whydrugs replies:
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I agree parents are the ones to teach by example values but I also know children don't always follow. BOttom line this kid probably got caught selling drugs and this family is trying to get all the focus off the real crime and cry rights. I still believe rights are earned when you are a child (driving a car, voting, etc.). A childs brain has not developed enough to trust them o make the correct choice most of the time.
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whydrugs says:
As one of the many parents that have "children" using drugs I wish their school would have "SPYED" on them to try and stop the drug use. As "children" they have not shown the ability to make good choices and adults do not need to give them the option. To many parents think they are raising angels and have their heads in the sand. Hear this "MOST KIDS DO USE DRUGS". Sure some don't but more are better at hiding it. I learned the hard way not to be one of those parents that say "Oh my child would not do that" when another adult tells me something my child has done. What are you thing? You think the school just does not like your child and is out to get them. Students/children should have no rights when it come to adults trying to protect their best interest. And yes teachers are in that position. Drugs are taking over our schools and this is exactly why. All schools should be required to drug test "ALL" students and first positive test place that child in a drug information class. Please don't support the parents who stick their heads in the sand and start backing those that want a better life for our children.
As one of the many parents that have "children" using drugs I wish their school would have "SPYED" on them to try and stop the drug use. As "children" they have not shown the ability to make good choices and adults do not need to give them the option. To many parents think they are raising angels and have their heads in the sand. Hear this "MOST KIDS DO USE DRUGS". Sure some don't but more are better at hiding it. I learned the hard way not to be one of those parents that say "Oh my child would not do that" when another adult tells me something my child has done. What are you thing? You think the school just does not like your child and is out to get them. Students/children should have no rights when it come to adults trying to protect their best interest. And yes teachers are in that position. Drugs are taking over our schools and this is exactly why. All schools should be required to drug test "ALL" students and first positive test place that child in a drug information class. Please don't support the parents who stick their heads in the sand and start backing those that want a better life for our children.
As one of the many parents that have "children" using drugs I wish their school would have "SPYED" on them to try and stop the drug use. As "children" they have not shown the ability to make good choices and adults do not need to give them the option. To many parents think they are raising angels and have their heads in the sand. Hear this "MOST KIDS DO USE DRUGS". Sure some don't but more are better at hiding it. I learned the hard way not to be one of those parents that say "Oh my child would not do that" when another adult tells me something my child has done. What are you thinking? You think the school just does not like your child and is out to get them. Students/children should have no rights when it come to adults trying to protect their best interest. And yes teachers are in that position. Drugs are taking over our schools and this is exactly why. All schools should be required to drug test "ALL" students and first positive test place that child in a drug information class. Please don't support the parents who stick their heads in the sand and start backing those that want a better life for our children.
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beccamcr replies:
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I don't think that you actually read the article correctly. What the school was wrong and immoral. They engaged in invasion of privacy. They know that they were able to activate the web cam and didn't tell the students. And yes, kids should still have rights even when adults are trying to protect them because that is guaranteed in the Constitution.
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HolyVoice says:
I wonder if there is a procedure or policy for handling these cameras when needed for use? Maybe there is a formal process for getting approval to turn on the camera while it is in the home. Can the school get a warrant to watch what the student is doing in his or her home, if there is probable cause? Is this a question in the law, something like waterboarding, where there is a precedent providing lawyers' opinions for use of the cameras. It could be that if the school discrict was following guidelines provided by their legal team, while the opinion might be flawed, it isn't misconduct. We shouldn't torture anyone until we have offical notice from someone in authority, because it might be okay afterall!
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barbaram99 says:
I know nothing of Apple machines. I am a Windows user..I read the book 1984 years ago on talking books. I was scared then. I know there is an online version. I stated reading it again..I realise the book was written in about 1949. The writer had a view of what future might be..It is based on a one world order/govt. I could not believe it..We were free years ago. We did not have the tech we do today. Yet it is wrong to spy in their homes..I don't have a webcam. I disable remote on my Windows based computer.
The school should not ever enter a student's home..Yer aware that the school has a computer Administor that over see the computers in the network. I don't blame the student for having his/her say here to tell us what it is like today..I have to say that I am on the students's side..I am in Seattle. It is school issued computers..The fact remains that when the children take it home to do their school work. They are home..That is their space..The school needs to stop this. If they are so worried about the computer that the school owns..why I think they trust the student to do the home work. The parents can't they speak up and put a stop to this practise. Does the school pay for the internet in the student's home..I think not..It is the issue of the girls/boys who may do their work in their room..The home is their space not the school's space..Disable the bloody webcam. What can the student body do in the matter. I am just a layparson..
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Chris91234 says:
Just an FYI, a true conservative believes in the constitution and all the rights given to the individual by such. The Progressive Liberal however believes that the constitution is outdated and needs to be changed.

A true conservative believes in the unalienable rights and privacy of the individual. The Progressive Liberal believes that it is okay to steal a persons money and make them give it to someone else. A Progressive Liberal believes that it is correct to make laws forcing people to do 'what is good for them'.

Only a progressive liberal would find reason to discipline a child for 'inappropriate behavior' AT HOME! A true conservative would be outraged by the very thought of violating a person's rights like that.

I hope I have educated the people here as to what a true conservative is and maybe next time they will not just spout off the main stream media drivel.
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HolyVoice replies:
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The only education you provide is that, there are no true conservatives. Mostly, faux conservatives out to make a buck through de-regulation and corporate greed.
zumdish replies:
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>"a true conservative believes in the constitution and all the rights given to the individual by such. "

A true conservative knows that the individual's rights are not 'given' to them by the constitution, the constitution guarantees and protects them' An important distinction.
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htMac says:
Sounds like someone came up with a very expensive plan just to violate laptop recipients lives. Sure, the best of intentiona, but the worst of results. I believe this should fall under child porn and invasion of provacy statutes. As Mr. T would say, 'I pity the fool...'. With some basic forensic science this case should be a slam dunk. How many students were given laptops? This is gonna be very interesting indeed. What's that, the fox watching the hen house?
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whydrugs replies:
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Soooooooooooooooooo, lets not trust our schools, police or anybody with authority. Great future ahead. People wise up. It starts with getting our children on the right track in the beginning. Our generation was taught respect for authority. doesn't look like this is the case now.
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