February 17, 2010 8:50 AM

Malaysian Women Caned for Extramarital Sex

Authorities in Malaysia caned three Muslim women for having extramarital sex, making them the first women in the country to receive such punishment under Islamic law, an official said Wednesday.

The caning of women has fueled debate about whether Islamic conservatism was intruding into people's personal lives in this moderate Muslim-majority country. Another woman, Kartika Sari Dewi Shukarno, a 32-year-old mother of two, was sentenced to caning last year for drinking beer.

Kartika's sentence has not been carried out, but authorities at a women's prison near Kuala Lumpur on Feb. 9 caned three other Muslim women who had been convicted in an Islamic Shariah court for having sex outside of marriage, according to a Home Ministry official. They did not explain why the punishment was only announced Wednesday.

Each woman received between four and six strokes of a rattan cane, the official said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to make public statements.

Home Minister Hishammuddin Hussein announced the caning earlier Wednesday. He did not release details of their identities or when they had been sentenced but said that one of the women was released last week after spending a month in prison.

Home Ministry officials did not describe where on their bodies they received the strikes, but authorities have previously said that the caning of women would be done with a thin stick on the back - not the buttocks.

The punishment for women is supposed to be largely symbolic rather than aimed at causing pain, unlike the caning of rapists and drug smugglers with a thick rattan stick on bare buttocks that causes the skin to break and leave scars.

Officials at the women's prison who could comment on the caning were not immediately available.

It was not clear whether the men who had sex with the women were also caned, but the caning of male convicts occurs regularly for a wide range of crimes.

Kartika, the woman convicted of drinking beer, has insisted she wants to get the punishment over with, but government authorities said they needed to train personnel to properly carry out the penalty first.

Kartika's case also sparked concerns about whether conservative Islamists, who advocate harsh punishments, are gaining influence over Malaysia's justice system.

Malaysia follows a dual-track justice system. Shariah laws apply to Muslims, who account for nearly two-thirds of Malaysia's 28 million people, in all personal matters. Non-Muslims - Chinese, Indians, Sikhs and other minorities - are covered by civil laws and are not subject to Islamic courts.

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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 2:09 PM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST
Were George Tiller's actions condoned, nah, encouraged by the Government?
I get what you are trying to say, all I am saying is don't turn a blind eye to something because it will make you feel that you are being politically correct, i.e. undoing of past injustice, war, or intolerance by giving one group preferential treatment over another.
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I repeat:

I allow no more for Muslim theocracy than I do Christian theocracy.

It's not that difficult of a statement to comprehend.....
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 1:57 PM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST
I hate to burst yours:
http://traversa.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/e3.jpg
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And you think Dr. George Tiller looked better after that Christian fanatic blew his head off?
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by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 2:06 PM EST
Were George Tiller's actions condoned, nah, encouraged by the Government?
I get what you are trying to say, all I am saying is don't turn a blind eye to something because it will make you feel that you are being politically correct, i.e. undoing of past injustice, war, or intolerance by giving one group preferential treatment over another.
by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 1:09 PM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 12:30 PM EST
It was his way of saying we have people who are just as bad here, and to take the mind of the viewers away from the subject at hand.
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We DO have people here as bad...I hate to burst your bubble.

Religious fanatacism looks no better on a Christian or Jew than it does on a Muslim....
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by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 1:53 PM EST
I hate to burst yours:
http://traversa.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/e3.jpg
by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 1:06 PM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 12:30 PM EST
In other words they are saying to readers, "don't trouble yourself with such news from a far off place, things are much worse here".
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That may be YOUR interpretation, but nothing in my comments alludes to anything along those lines.

I find theocracies to be despicable..WHATEVER religion they may be based on.

My comments addressed the theocrats who would wish to see a theocracy established here in the US.
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 1:02 PM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 12:30 PM EST
sorry I didn't realized Christian Fundamentalists have been caning people.
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I never asserted as much....
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 12:12 PM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 11:42 AM EST
What I SAID I would like to see is people look at both EQUALLY (i.e. "with the SAME discerning eye"
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I agree completely with that philosophy and employ it.

I allow no more for Muslim theocracy than I do Christian theocracy.
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by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 1:47 PM EST
yes, something hopefully we can all agree on:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 11:52 AM EST
by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 11:42 AM EST
Hmm. Fascinating. Allow me to read my post again. hmmm. Nope, nothing in there about excludes criticism of Christian fundamentalists, in fact, in my post I said Pat Robertson and his ilk are laughable. What I SAID I would like to see is people look at both EQUALLY (i.e. "with the SAME discerning eye"
Please read and UNDERSTAND other posts before replying.
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Ahem.

I do understand your post.

You called Robertson "laughable", but nowhere do you criticize fundamentalists for their behavior as you do non-fundamentalists....which is what I stated previously.
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by tuathadedannan February 17, 2010 12:30 PM EST
sorry I didn't realized Christian Fundamentalists have been caning people. Find me an article on Pat Robertson, and I'll be happy to criticize him there, however this article deals with the subject of Malaysian women being caned. Let us put it another way. There is an article on Pat Robertson on this site: Pat Robertson: Haiti "Cursed" After "Pact to the Devil". This would be like commenting that the Iranian leader's said the same thing about the ****** Tsunami. True, he did say that Allah destroyed ****** because the people there weren't living to the laws of Allah, but that doesn't absolve Pat Robertson for what he said. The same applies here, when someone posts "Theocrats here in the US would wish to see all punished for "sins" as is done to Muslims in Malaysia....." . Yes they are drawing a correlation to show people that some Americans are not ideologically that different. But this has become a standard operating procedure, and much akin to the concept of misdirection employed by magicians. In other words they are saying to readers, "don't trouble yourself with such news from a far off place, things are much worse here". I might add it works like a charm, for instance in Stephen Colbert's interview with Ayaan Hirsi Ali, I lost count at how many times he said, "Christian Fundamentalist", even though that isn't what her book was about. It was his way of saying we have people who are just as bad here, and to take the mind of the viewers away from the subject at hand.
by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 11:36 AM EST
by Empire-George- February 17, 2010 11:26 AM EST

No, it's called being an anti-christian bigot, that you don't miss the opportunity to hate on Christians.
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True that I do not subscribe to a belief in witches, goblins, spitits, demons, angels, sorcerers, gods and the like.

But I do not "hate" those who do.

I feel sorry for them, yes, but I do not hate them.

I hate no one.
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by Empire-George- February 17, 2010 11:26 AM EST
by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 10:32 AM EST
by jimmyc1955 February 17, 2010 10:20 AM EST

Why is it that you immediately project actions taken by an increasingly angry, cruel and arrogant Muslim fundamentalists onto Christians??
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It's called "drawing a correlation".
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No, it's called being an anti-christian bigot, that you don't miss the opportunity to hate on Christians.
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by formrusmcsgt February 17, 2010 10:52 AM EST
by ShermanMiller February 17, 2010 10:31 AM EST
Furthermore, it is dishonest to only punish the woman in the extramarital affair considering the male participated.
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You appear to assume facts not in evidence here...the article does not address the civil states of the males in question (married or single) nor their awareness that the females are married women....

IF they are single males and the women told them that they are as well single, what punishment should they receive?

"None" would be my answer.
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