February 9, 2010 12:09 PM

Defending `Don't Ask'

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(National Review Online)  Mackubin Thomas Owens is a professor at the Naval War College and editor of Orbis, the journal of the Foreign Policy Research Institute. He is a Marine-infantry veteran of the Vietnam war.

In a February 3 Wall Street Journal op-ed,I argued that the current law forbidding homosexual military members to discuss their sexual orientation ought to remain in place. I based my contention on the importance of non-sexual bonding as the glue of unit cohesion, which is an important contributor to military effectiveness. As expected, I received a great deal of feedback, some positive, some negative. I thought it might be useful to respond to my critics' most common objections.

First, some argued that the studies indicating the importance of cohesion in war have been "discredited." But the only way that academics can get away with this claim is to redefine cohesion in such a way that it loses all significance.

Here's how the 1992 report of the Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces described cohesion: the relationship that develops in a unit or group in which 1) members share common values and experiences; 2) individuals in the group conform to group norms and behavior in order to ensure group survival and goals; 3) members lose their identity in favor of a group identity; 4) members focus on group activities and goals; 5) unit members become totally dependent on each other for the completion of their mission or survival; and 6) group members must meet all the standards of performance and behavior in order not to threaten group survival.

A number of people observed that my argument regarding the potential impact of open homosexuals on unit cohesion could just as well be applied to women. They are correct, of course. Indeed, in 1993, I first deployed my argument about the importance of non-sexual bonding to the issue of women in combat. And while many military specialties have been opened to women since then, service in ground combat remains closed to women for exactly this reason.

Second, some argued that the integration of open homosexuals into the military was merely a manifestation of the quest for civil rights that began with African-Americans after World War II. According to this argument, lifting the ban against military service by open homosexuals would be analogous to President Truman's executive order racially integrating the military services. They echo the claim of James Carroll in a Boston Globe column some years ago: "Today's soldiers and sailors reluctant to serve shoulder to shoulder with homosexuals are the progeny of racist and sexist soldiers and sailors who were told to get over it or get out."

But Truman's order was motivated by concerns about military effectiveness, not civil rights. For a variety of reasons, segregated African-American units generally did not perform well on the battlefields of World War II. Truman's actions were in response to military-manpower experts who believed that integration would improve the military effectiveness of black soldiers.

In addition, many African-Americans take offense at the comparison between their struggle and homosexuals'. As Colin Powell noted in his memoirs, the reaction among African-American groups in 1993 to the argument linking gay rights and the civil-rights movement was mixed: "The Congressional Black Caucus favored removing the ban on homosexuals in the armed services. But other leaders were telling me that they resented having the civil rights crusade hijacked by the gay community for its ends."

General Powell was not alone. Testifying before a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing on this issue on April 29, 1993, Lt. Gen. Calvin A. H. Waller, a highly respected African-American military leader, responded to a query by the chairman, Sen. Sam Nunn (D., Ga.), concerning whether he agreed with equating homosexual rights and civil rights for racial minorities. Waller replied, "We are talking about the lifestyle or the sexuality of a person who wants to be open with their sexuality or with their lifestyle into a force or into the Armed Forces where I think that is detrimental to readiness and to good law and order and discipline." Waller further commented that he strongly disagreed with the racial analogy: "I am opposed to that. I do not like that analogy. I do not think it is the same in any respect."

The late Charles Moskos, testifying on the same day, suggested that the black/white analogy was less appropriate than the male/female analogy. While personal animosity to homosexuals has always been present and still exists, as a group they have never faced the organized legal obstacles that African-Americans did.

Third, my critics claimed that homosexuals are victims of military "witch hunts." A reader of the New York Times and the Washington Post could be forgiven for believing that homosexuals are being "drummed out" of the military on a regular basis. But the numbers don't support this contention. In FY2008, the last year for which figures are available, the Pentagon discharged 633 men and women under the ban. In a military with millions of members, this hardly constitutes a witch hunt.

And as Moskos pointed out in 1993, 80 percent of homosexuality-related discharges resulted from voluntary statements, a figure that has not changed. Furthermore, almost all discharges for homosexuality occur in the first term of enlistment, and more than half in the first year. The fact that so many of those who voluntarily claim to be homosexuals do so early in their enlistment is an important point. As Gen. Carl Mundy, former commandant of the Marine Corps, observed, this "is a very demanding period during which it is not uncommon for those who are not equal to the challenge of military life to seek opportunities for release from the service. A claim to be homosexual, whether factual or not, provides such an opportunity."

While discussing this issue with my Naval War College seminar, a student related an anecdote that illustrates the problem. He was the executive officer of a ship about to make a six-month deployment. Over a period of weeks, a female sailor approached him with a number of reasons why she could not make the deployment. He rejected them and advised her that she would indeed deploy with her ship. Finally he received a call from the JAG advising him that she would not deploy because she had confessed to being gay.

Fourth, some commentators claimed that the ban on homosexuals spawns anti-gay violence. Exhibit one is the case of PFC Barry Winchell, a homosexual soldier at Fort Campbell, Ky., who was brutally murdered in 1999. Homosexual groups immediately portrayed the murder as an example of anti-homosexual bigotry run amuck in the Army. But in Paul Harvey's formulation, "the rest of the story" is somewhat more complicated. It turns out that the murder was inspired by a "love triangle" involving Winchell, another soldier, and a performer in a Nashville gay bar who was in transition from male to female.

Fifth, correspondents observed that other Western countries have lifted their bans on open service by homosexuals without suffering adverse effects. But with the exception of the Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries, such militaries still discriminate, banning homosexuals from service in ground combat units and special-operations forces. According to Moskos, "there is no country in Europe, much less Israel, that American advocates of gay rights would find a suitable model."

Finally, some critics of my piece simply accused me of bigotry. This charge is similar to the one that claims opposition to President Obama's policies is motivated by racism. I can't speak for others who share my view, but in fact my late brother was homosexual. I never stopped loving him because of his homosexuality and got along fine with him and his friends, all of whom were cognizant of my views.

I am as opposed to bigotry as anyone. Homosexuals should and do possess the equal civil rights of their fellow citizens. But there is no "right" to serve in the military, and there, effectiveness should trump all other considerations.





By Mackubin Thomas Owens:
Reprinted with permission from National Review Online

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by digrawg September 27, 2010 9:49 PM EDT
I look forward to the day when sexual deviants are allowed to adopt children and serve openly in the military. I can't believe that anyone would condemn or oppose this! I am in the Navy and I want our homosexuals to be free to tell us about their sexual deviation and I want them to be loud and proud! I want to be able to look around me and 24/7 on a 6 month deployment and take comfort in knowing that the people who I'm working closely with and sharing living quarters with are sexual deviants. I want them to be able to walk around on the boat all day long proclaiming their deviation for me and all of my fellow honorable servicemembers to hear, including the Captain, the Commodore and all of the marines on the boat! I will not rest until sexual deviants are practicing their deviation openly, loud and proud, in full military uniform. Dear God please get them into the service. And to those of you that are in the service having to conceal your sexual deviation; thank you for your service! We're gonna make sure you can be open, it might take some more work, but we'll make it happen!!! God bless you guys
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by Brokennews February 11, 2010 10:52 AM EST
The reason men can't shower with women is because of the sexual relationship between men and women. Because when people who are sexually attracted to each other are expected to shower together, it might create YET MORE problems with sexual activity amongst the troops.

by cidaia February 10, 2010 5:46 PM EST


Just to touch (no pun intended) on the subject of the shower issue, we had a local Gym where for weeks they had problems with gay men hanging out (again no pun intended)in the men's shower. Not working out, just stripping down & staying in the showers for hours. At first nobody realized they were gay, but as time went on they started becoming more aggressive in their interest in the other men entering the shower until it became a complaint issue for the gym. The gym tried to ban them, but the gym owner was sent a letter by a lawyer for the gay guys indicating that if the gym did not lift the ban on them they would be sued for discrimination. The gym caved in & those guys were back. Word got around that men will have to accept showering with these guys & the gym eventually lost it's customer base because of it. The gym closed about 6 months later. I'm sure not all gay men are like this, but there are enough of them around to create these kinds of issues.
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by jackfluffy February 11, 2010 12:35 PM EST
Was this story you tell covered in the local news? Do you have any documentation at all that this actually occurred? Are we supposed to base national policy decisions on anonymous anecdotes such as this?
by Brokennews February 11, 2010 12:57 PM EST
Why? Are you looking for that gym?
Sorry, it's closed now!
You'll have to settle for hanging out at the YMCA showers for your jollies!
by ALBrainTrust10 February 10, 2010 4:22 PM EST
I THINK IT IS ONLY FAIR THAT IF GAYS GET TO SHOWER WITH MALE SOLDIERS, THEN THE MALE SOLDIERS SHOULD GET TO SHOWER WITH FEMALE SOLDIERS.......it really is that simple.

Do we want to officially inject that situation into a front-line combat unit?
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by jackfluffy February 10, 2010 4:28 PM EST
Are you implying that gay men are not male?
by cidaia February 10, 2010 5:46 PM EST
The reason men can't shower with women is because of the sexual relationship between men and women. Because when people who are sexually attracted to each other are expected to shower together, it might create YET MORE problems with sexual activity amongst the troops.

But please - ignore what is actually a very legitimate concern. Because only YOUR WANTS matter, right? And to heck with whether it causes problems? That's the glory cry of a true liberal...GIMME!!!!!!!!!
by scoobydob February 10, 2010 4:05 PM EST
I believe that he's not a bigoted racist because he said so and that makes it so. I'm just glad that as a white military retiree us white folks were able to fix those ineffective African-Americans from the likes of Buffalo Soldiers to the Tuskegee Airman. This guy is clearly a functioning racist-bigot. I will contact my senator, a woman I'm sure he thinks is beneath him and his 'archie bunker' qualities, to get his antiquated ignorance fired. His illogical argument contradicts itself on every aspect.
Example:"I can?t speak for others who share my view, but in fact my late brother was homosexual. I never stopped loving him because of his homosexuality and got along fine with him and his friends, all of whom were cognizant of my views." He indicates there's no problem with getting along with his brother or his brother's friends who are openly gay but he can't get along his fellow miltary personnel unless they don't tell him they're gay. Sounds like some kind of a junior high clique.
Example 2:I am as opposed to bigotry as anyone. Homosexuals should and do possess the equal civil rights of their fellow citizens.
So what he's saying is all homosexuals have the right to get married. That proves he's either extremely ignorant, extremely stupid or a just a plain old liar.
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by cidaia February 10, 2010 5:58 PM EST
Nobody is saying gays aren't the same race as humans.

You have equal access.

What you want is the right to set the standards of behavior, but that's not your right.

To say that I'm a bigot for not supporting a gay man's right to be openly gay is as nonsensical as saying I'm a bigot for not supporting a necrophiliac's right to be open in his relationship with his wife's corpse.

It's a misuse of the word bigotry.

Gays already have equality. You don't necessarily have the right to behave any way you want, though. Nobody does.
by jackfluffy February 10, 2010 3:43 PM EST
Where did you go, Mort? I thought we were making progress--you were learning new words; no telling where it was going from there.
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by jackfluffy February 10, 2010 3:15 PM EST
Mort, are you saying that you would be unable to shower with someone of the opposite sex without ogling them? In movies, actors and actresses sometimes are called upon to do nude scenes; they're able to do that because the people involved approach the situation as professionals with a job to do. Believe it or not, Mort, some people can control themselves.
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by Mortar_29 February 10, 2010 4:11 PM EST
If you think that "rpofessionals" do not look at each other when they are nude...then you are delusional. And from those nude scenes and closeness, many a relationship has been started.

Again, why do we not have unisex showers and bathrooms at all levels, even in the civilian world? It is because of natural attraction!

As a former infantry first sergeant, I need as few problems in my unit as possible. And what I dont need is sexual issues.

But you seem to think that a homosexual man, who might be showering with a man he is attracted to, would not "ogle" and would not make thigns difficult for that guy who he is attracted to. It would work the same way if you were to shower with a woman that you were attracted to.

This is insanity! The military does not need to deal with this. You have no idea what you are starting and the problems that are being created by bringing sex into the mix. But I do.

As a part of my 21 years, I did serve four of them as an inspector general. And I had to investigate many sexual issues. And some of them were homosexual issues.

In one case, a new soldier came in and they gave him a specialist to lead hm around and get him set-up and squared away in the unit. After a few weeks, this soldier I guess thought that the specialist was being nice to him because he was attracted to him, which wasnt the case. He was just doing his job.

So, one day, the gay soldier emailed this guy, asking him if he was gay and if was interested in a relationship. Well, the specialist was LIVID! He wanted immediate reassignment or "I will mess this guy up."

Of course, we processed the gay soldier out of the military.

We dont need these problems in the military. It disrupted the unit. The specialist received "ribbing" from the rest of the unit (he felt like the rest of them thought he was gay). The gay soldier was released from the military.

We do not need these problems!
by soap-suds February 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST
Wonder what the author's position is on: a. drunks, b. dopers, c. wife abusers, d. adulterers, e. convicted felons, and f. etc. serving in the military? Who would you want to have supporting you in a military operation?
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by revlin1 February 10, 2010 3:14 PM EST
He is right. THERE IS NO RIGHT for anyone signing up to FIGHT. There is already tension between races, genders and IF ADDED homosexuals and lesbians, God forbid...unit cohesion would be compromised...trust would be gone AND less effectiveness would prevail. Enough is enough. This group of people (not a civil rights issue; but rather a behavior choice and offensive to many Americans and that will not change. Ask a homosexual or lesbian what they REALLY think of heteorsexual sex or marriage defined as between "one man and one woman" WELL THE ANSWER UNANIMOUSLY would be that "they detest it" THERFORE they, themselves; DISCRIMINATE against the majority of Americans. SHALL WE DECIDE HOW TO RULE ON SEXUAL BEHAVIOR AND MAKE THE MILITARY ENGAGED IN TWO WARS FIGURE IT OUT WITH ALL THE STRESS PUT UPON THEM AND WARTIME CONTRACTORS RIGHT NOW???
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by jackfluffy February 10, 2010 3:08 PM EST
Mort, the other component present in the scenario you envision is a history of harassment. There is a history in the military (as well as in society) of men sexually harassing women, and for this reason, servicewomen would understandably be uncomfortable if forced to shower with servicemen. Is there documented history of gay people sexually harassing straight people, in either the military or society? No. As I've already stated, gay people and straight people shower together everyday, without incident, in both the military and society more generally. Gay people understand that there is line not to be crossed (ogling/groping); the ones that do cross it get into trouble, and rightly so. I will concede that some straight men would feel uncomfortable showering with an openly gay man, especially at first. However, there is no historical context that would lead any of those straight men to fear for their safety (a distinction from the case of a woman showering with men); and once they realized that their fears of being ogled/groped were unfounded, they would quickly get over their initial discomfort with the situation.
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by Mortar_29 February 10, 2010 3:12 PM EST
So, somehow, gay folks can control themselves sexually but heterosexuals cannot? That is silly!

The reason for separate facilities in our society is because of sexual issues with combining them. As you said, if forced to bathe with heterosexual men, a gay man would have to be professional enough not to "ogle" (whatever that means).

So, cannot a straight man be professional enough not to "ogle" women in the shower with him?

You are on dangerous ground, advocating gay sex is the same as straight sex...and the proposing that they are different!
by jackfluffy February 10, 2010 2:49 PM EST
I hate to freak everyone out, but if you've ever taken communal showers in junior high or high school or college, or at the gym or the public pool, then odds are that you've showered with a gay person. Most gay people would never ogle (or even more unthinkable, grope) someone in the shower, number one, because it's wrong, and number two, because it invites an a$$-kicking. American society needs to quit treating gay people like out-of-control predators.
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by Mortar_29 February 10, 2010 2:58 PM EST
So, you telling me...if yo uare attacted to women in general...that if you were in a shower with them, you wouldnt "ogle" them?

And by your presence, you wouldnt cause "issues" with the women?

You see, unlike a man in a woman's shower (or vice versa), a homosexual in the shower that is not known, isnt a real issue...as no one in there knows it.

But an openly known homosexual in the shower presents the same issue as having one gender in the shower with another.

It is the same thing. Sexual impulses...and the issues arising from them, are the same for all. So, having a known homosexual in the showers with other men, for example, who are heterosexual...causes some issues that no commander wants to deal with. Nor should he have to!
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