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CBS/ July 7, 2010, 2:38 PM

Teen Girl-on-Girl Fighting Goes Online

If you thought only men engage in fist fights, you'd be wrong.

CBS News correspondent Whit Johnson reported there aren't any statistics yet, but experts say there's a growing problem with teenage girls letting disputes with one another turn violent.

Increasingly, Johnson reported, girl fights are being recorded and posted on the Internet, which can make the problem even worse.

A video popped up on YouTube more than a week ago that showed two teenage girls in a violent fist fight -- with two adults allegedly watching -- and another minor videotaping the entire thing. The fight took place in Baton Rouge, La.

Days later, in Lowell, Mass., local authorities discovered similar videos online.

Gerry Leone, the district attorney of Middlesex, Mass., told CBS News, "We found three different videos posted to YouTube, and it was female-on-female violence, where young females were fighting in a very violent way, and being exhorted to do so by friends who were both boys and girls."

Leone says local educators report about 80 percent of school fights are now girl against girl, a trend he says is fueled, in part, by the Internet.

Leone said, "They see friends getting a lot of attention from the posting of these violent attacks, and being young and impressionable kids, they figure that's one way of getting attention themselves."

Experts say the fights can also lead to cyberbullying, as tech-savvy teens look for more ways to torment one another. The National Education Association (NEA) hopes to generate awareness.

Jerry Newberry, executive director of the NEA Health Information Network, said, "The problem with anything on the Internet is that it's not a one-time incident. It doesn't happen in the hallway, it gets recorded over and over and over."

In Baton Rouge, two adults who watched the fight without stopping it have been charged with felony counts of cruelty to a juvenile. In Lowell, a middle school girl who was the alleged aggressor in one of the fights, has been arrested.

Johnson pointed out that educators and police say while images of teens fighting on the Internet are becoming more common, effective solutions are just as difficult to find.

Psychologist Jennifer Hartstein said on "The Early Show" the girls are catching up to the boys.

"Boys always fought physically. Girls fought with social aggression, with slander and making rumors and all that stuff, and now it's going this extra step. And girls are mean and they fight dirty. It's hard to watch."

Hartstein said girls -- like the rest of society -- are becoming more aggressive because people are getting numb to violence.

"There is shock value for those of us as adults, going, 'Wow.' But kids think there's something kind of cool about it," Hartstein said. "And now the Internet can bring them notoriety or some sort of fame, so it's making it harder to say, 'This is a bad thing.'"

"Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez remarked that she would like to know who is watching these videos, adding that perverts and pedophiles could be seeing your child fighting.

"We don't know who's watching it. Is it only teenagers, is it adults?" Hartstein said. "Who is getting the joy and excitement out of the shock value?"

Hartstein said parents need to teach respect.

"Somewhere our niceness gene has gotten lost. We need to stop and take a step back and really talk about how do you protect yourself when there's a conflict, how do you interact with people in an appropriate polite way, and that may help us go back to talking things through, instead of relying on violence to fix the problem," she said.

Rodriguez added that it's also important to hold people accountable.

Hartstein agreed, saying, "If adults are standing by and watching, we have even more problems to think about because who's intervening? Who's in charge?"

"Parents need to set the limits," she continued. "They need to be in charge."

As for schools, Hartstein said they're doing more, such as behavioral intervention at an early age.

"We need to start this early - in kindergarten, first grade," she said.

When asked by Rodriguez about when that's being lost in education, Hartstein said it happens, but she doesn't know how much time is devoted to it in schools, particularly with budget cuts that could curtail this type of intervention.

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Keith Geddes says:
This is nothing new.. MANY sites now feature girls fighting.. one gets them crop up on many sites.. from other subjects.. many people obviously like it.. especially the japanese? Seems to me it may follow on from video games.. to the mobile phone generation. Happy slapping was it.. its the age.
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Berkeley-SkirtLifter says:
Hartstein said, "Somewhere our niceness gene has gotten lost."
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LOL!

Since when did ho*mo Sapiens EVER have a "niceness" gene? That's funny.

Especially in the X chromosome (females). That extra segment of genetic material that the Y chromosome lacks, is where traits like irritability, illogic, snipiness, irrationality, etc lie. That extra leg of genetic material is a real doozy!
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daffy64 replies:
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Its not the lack of a gene that's responsible. It's the absentee parents and violence soaked media.
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ccdsswrkr09 says:
Just because it's being seen more, doesn't mean it's increased. Girls have always fought. I can't even recall how many fights I saw in middle school and highschool. The only difference is now it's being recorded and posted on the internet. I'm actually glad to see girls fighting. Show's they're learning how to physically stand up for themselves. When my daughter reaches school age, she will be taught how to fight, and informed if someone hits her, she has every right to defend herself. Wish my parents would have taught me that.
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daffy64 replies:
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I'm actually glad to see girls fighting.

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Wow. I'm not. It's sad. If I had a daughter, I'd teach her that assault is wrong, and that if someone hits you and you have the chance, you should run and tell the authorities. There's a big difference between defending yourself and fighting.

BTW, I'm a second degree black belt in Wado Karate.
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joereilly613 says:
Regarding this morning?s segment: Teen Girl-on-Girl Fighting Goes Online ? Lawrence Lawton and the Reality Check Program provide solutions to this kind of violence - check out www.realitycheckprogram.org
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wardwww says:
"Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez remarked that she would like to know who is watching these videos, adding that perverts and pedophiles could be seeing your child fighting."
This is pathetic fear mongering, without any journalistic merit whatsoever. Dear Maggie should learn to keep her personal opinions to herself. Although this subject is sad, there is absolutely NO evidence that "pedophiles and perverts" are viewing these videos. Is she saying that everyone who views them is a pedophile or a pervert??
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RedWings_ninety_one says:
The article seems to be trying to disprove a "popular notion" that women don't fight. B.S. There are men out there that just get a sexual thrill from this, which explains why it was videotaped and no one broke up the fight. Those men just need to think with the right head and have some common sense.
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wisTEARia says:
My child was in after school fight leaving the bus stop, he was attacked by fellow schoolmate,(age 10). When we went ot the other parent,to inform her that the boys were fighting she said, "Whats wrong with them fighting it was one~on~one?" Why can't parents teach their kids the same thing that the school district teaches? That VIOLENCE IS NOT TOLERATED!
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I_am_me1953 replies:
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Why not enroll your child in martial arts so he can defend himself?


The other option is to allow the bullying on him to continue. Eventually he will snap.
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get_down says:
One thing for sure - trashy parents would raise trashy children!
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rf35 says:
"Hartstein said girls -- like the rest of society -- are becoming more aggressive because people are getting numb to violence."

Maybe it's all the steroids and artificial hormones used in our food supply. Raising the testosterone level in the girls could increase aggressive behavior. Testosterone is why males, especially teens, tend to be more violent and aggressive. Many factory farms use artificial hormones to get bigger cattle (more beef per head equals more profit). Perhaps this is making its way into American children. Of course, I always thought the idea of that stuff being transferred to humans was a load of bull (no pun intended). They're probably just having fun and setting their emotions free. It's not healthy to keep those feelings bottled up inside.
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daffy64 replies:
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It's not healthy to keep those feelings bottled up inside.

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Thats right. If you feel like punching someone in the face. Gee willikers, go ahead and do it. No need to hold back.
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april_taylor says:
There have been a lot more of girl fights at Theodore High School, too. Last year, my senior year, a girl got mad at another girl in the hall and placed a pad lock in her own sock. Then she took the sock and swung it around and hit the other girl in the face! I'm serious as a hard attack! Blood got everywhere on the assistant principal and all on the floor because that girl bursting the other girl's nose.

I do believe that cases like this one and the ones that have gotten recorded are all perfect examples of bad parenting. (It's not an opinion-it's a fact.)The majority of the parents out there now aren't worrying how they raise their kids anymore, just simply letting them go out and do whatever they please. (The one's who are caring how their children act, great job! We NEED more parents like you!!)

Perhaps it is the fact that more and more children are having children each day? So they really have no time to actually GROW up? So instead they stay immature and want to hurt somebody or some animal in any gruesome way possible. I could be wrong, but that's EXACTLY what it sounds like to me.

Few good is left in the world. Everywhere you go there is crime. Random acts of kindness would help a lot, but sometimes when you're the kindest person in the world to everyone, the evil still prevails. It would take a miracle to make the children see what they are doing is wrong-so many of them being misled and mistreated out there.

I'm positive there are more fights elsewhere going unnoticed. It's not just girls either fighting-it's also boys (don't forget that).
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