January 14, 2010 4:06 PM

Pentagon Lawyers: Wait on Don't Ask Repeal

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(AP)  Lawyers for the nation's top military officer are recommending holding off on an internal Pentagon effort that could lead to the repeal of the ban on openly gay military service. The delay could push a decision by Congress to the middle of the next presidential election.

Other advisers at the Pentagon, however, argue that lifting the ban would not cause unmanageable problems or divisions among the uniformed military, according to two U.S. officials. They discussed internal conversations about the ban on condition of anonymity.

"Now is not the time," the in-house legal counsel for Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, wrote recently in a memorandum obtained by The Associated Press. "The importance of winning the wars we are in, along with the stress on the force, our body of knowledge and the number of unknowns, demand that we act with deliberation."

Mullen received the conflicting advice this month about whether to move quickly to lift the 1993 ban, and it is not clear what he will recommend to President Barack Obama. Although allowing gays to serve openly in the military was one of Obama's campaign promises, the issue was put on a back burner during his first year in office. Some liberal supporters and several congressional Democrats are pushing for action.

Mullen and other Pentagon leaders have quietly begun a new push to build consensus for the timing of a repeal that Mullen and others assume will come eventually. Strong opposition to swift repeal remains among top uniformed military leaders.

Capt. John Kirby, a spokesman for Mullen, would not discuss the legal advice and said there has been no decision among the Joint Chiefs about what to do or when. He would not characterize Mullen's own views.

"They continue to have a dialogue about the policy and the law," keeping in mind Obama's "strategic intent" to lift the ban, Kirby said.

Mullen was unable to get the full backing of other senior uniformed leaders during an unusual meeting of the top officers from each branch of the military last week, U.S. officials said. He is expected to hold a follow-up session within days.

Joint Chiefs legal advisers recommended delaying the start of the repeal process into 2011, with the Pentagon sending a proposed replacement law to Congress by late summer of that year. That would be after the White House says it will begin bringing troops home from Afghanistan, and a few months before all U.S. forces are due to leave Iraq.

Congress would follow with debate lasting six months to a year, the legal advisers wrote, meaning repeal would be unlikely until 2012. The memo does not spell it out, but that is a presidential election year when Obama will presumably run for a second term. The calendar calculates that the Iraq war would be over and the Afghanistan war smaller before the ban is lifted.

Mullen and other military leaders cautioned last year that repeal of the law must be done carefully so as not to disrupt military cohesion in wartime. Last April, Defense Secretary Robert Gates indicated the process could take years - if it ever happens.

At the time, Gates noted that it took five years for the U.S. military to racially integrate during the Truman administration.

"If we do it, it's imperative that we do it right and very carefully," Gates said then.

Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said he wants to begin work this year on repealing the ban. He said he expects testimony from Mullen and Gates, although no date has been set.

Two officials said a hearing could be held in late January or early February, but that does not mean Congress would truly begin work on a new law that would allow openly gay service. Levin has asked Gates to request that the RAND Corp. think tank update its 1993 study on gays in the military before he goes ahead. That outside study would be expected to take several months.

Several other Democrats say they want to lift the ban on gays in the military. But party leaders have yet to press the issue, as Congress remains consumed with debate on the Afghanistan war and closing Guantanamo Bay prison, along with pressing domestic issues like unemployment and health care.

Not every Democrat wants to change the law. Rep. Ike Skelton, D-Mo., chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said in an interview Wednesday that he agrees with Mullen's legal counsel.

"It's not a good idea to change the law right now," he said.

AP
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by jjetmundsen February 9, 2010 7:24 PM EST
Yall have to understand. Dont' Ask Don't Tell was made to protect gays and allow them to serve in the military. Gays already serve in it and they shower eat and sleep with everyone else as well as fight and no one knows their sexuality and thus no one cares. People arent allowed to ask about your sexuality and accuse of being gay. I dont think it should be repealed. Think about. Your a gay in a squad of about 6 others who are all straight and they dont know you are gay. Yall do everything ogether and have become brothers and have saved each others lives many times. If you became openly gay they would not respect you as much anymore and could not be near you or around you and they might even haze or beat you up. Gays are allowed to serve in the military but Dont Ask Dont tell just prvents them from being inquired about it or being open about and this protects them.
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by Mad-Dog67 January 28, 2010 9:31 PM EST
Yes Mr Secretary it might have taken 5 years to integrate civil rights laws into the US Military. We still haven't gotten these laws and policies right in 2010. Sexual Orientation is not protected as a category with respect to Equal Opportunity in the military. Since this is true, it opens uniformed members to homophobic beliefs that are reinforced by the values of the Service. Then once people are raised in that particular service, it's difficult to erase those values. A noted sociologist once said that it takes 'a significant emotional event' for someone to change values. The violence and hate from the 50's and 60's have long impacted values of race and ethnic identity causing ethnocentric practices with how a particular race (or ethnic group)behaves towards another or their own. Sexual Orientation (I believe) will be the same way. I am a heterosexual retired Veteran of 3 major wars or conflicts having served 30 years as an Enlisted NCO and Commissioned Officer. While in uniform, I new who was gay and most others did too. We didn't beat gays to death for their orientation and that should not happen in the 21st Century in our military. After all, of the 17 NATO Countries, we (the US Military) are the only one not having a program supporting LGBT. The UK has had a very positive program for 10 years and though there are some issues, there is absolutely no concern over sleeping/birthing side by side or stacked in racks, showering in gang type showers, and especially with respect to mission performance. A recent British Army Infantryman 'came out' in Afghanistan after a heroic act involving him protecting a fire team of straight guys. There was no concern over him being gay....the guys in the unit knew he was gay.....what's the big deal. There is no data showing gay members will lower performance or mission readiness (much less mission effectiveness)in the 16 countries having programs. In the US, (generally speaking) most members of the millinial generation as well as generation 'Y' and 'X' have no problems with a persons sexual orientation. We need to look at this as an equal opportunity item of interest where harassment and bullying is removed from the organization. We already do this with respect our government civilians working side by side with military and other heterosexuals. Our Equal Employment Opportunity Counselors don't have a problem supporting 'rights for gays' as well as all members of the organization. We still haven't integrated women fully and yes Gunny we might (some day in the long future) start having coed showering. Personally, I would feel much more uncomfortable showering with women compared to showering with men that are Gay. The bottom line is Gays have been in the military (All Services) for too many years for me to try to remember. Gay members are mission focused and are usually some of our best performers and leadership doesn't typically give performance ratings based on sexual preference. LGBT membership should fall under the policies of equal opportunity where people are treated fairly based on their performance. I'd love to chat more with you or anyone else on the subject. There's more to this than most people know.
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by zootsuithap January 15, 2010 8:38 AM EST
why wait? Why not shove another piece of $hit down the American public?
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by gunnyh1 January 14, 2010 4:53 PM EST
I wonder how many of these Congressmen/women wanting this repealed actually served in the military. I believe it is less than 5%. I will go along with the repeal as long as Congress adheres to the same requirements. They will be required to shower and live in very close confines from here out just like many of our active duty service personnel. And while they are at it they might as well save some money and eliminate a two head (restroom for the civilians) system and just go with one common one for the men and women to shower together etc. The Canadians do it this way and I am sure several other countries do as well. Another perfect example of politicians selling out their servicemen/women to gain the votes of a minority....Dissolve (FIRE) CONGRESS on the next general election ballot!!!!!!
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by PVperson2 January 14, 2010 5:54 PM EST
Ya know gunny, the fly in the ointment of your rant is that gays already are in the military, they sleep with straights, they shower with straights, they live in close confines with straights, they fight along side of straights. Removing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" would just allow them to be honest and stop lying to protect people like you from your irrational homophobic fears, you pitiful little man.
by gunnyh1 January 14, 2010 7:07 PM EST
As I said...you are a minority...not the majority so it needs to remain the same...Don't Ask Don't Tell. Most of us could careless what your preferences are but don't rub it in our faces. But I guess this what is to be expected when you let the far left take control, when it swings the other way expect revisions. And as far as irrational...lol...you remind me of my daughter stamping her foot, expecting the whole family to bend to her will...is it not irrational to join the military (knowing the rules)then throw a "hissy" fit when you cannot get your way? Here is a perfect example of what you want and how it could end up. Your in a firefight, your manning a firing position on the right flank, suddenly out of nowhere your gay lover is bleeding out in front our your pos about 50 meters out. If you leave your position you expose the flank of the rest of your fire team and they will be overran, if you do not rush to your lovers pos immediately he will bleed out. So, do you get everyone killed because your boyfriend is dying...no need to answer... we understand. Now who is the pitiful little man?
by us_1776 January 14, 2010 4:49 PM EST
It's time to END the ban on gays openly serving in the military. These people fight and die for their country the same as any other person. It's time we live up to our constitution and end this ridiculous discrimination.
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by zootsuithap January 15, 2010 8:39 AM EST
are YOU gay? Do YOU want to share a bunk, or foxhole with a Gay?
by Brokennews January 14, 2010 4:45 PM EST
No biggie!
It's just one more Obama campaign promise broken.
We're used to that now. Tell us when he keeps one then you have a story!!
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by PVperson2 January 14, 2010 5:56 PM EST
I'm sure this will come as a big surprise to you, but Obama isn't omniscient, he can only do what Congress allows.
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