December 16, 2009 8:38 AM

Will Senate Dems Heed Obama's Message?

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(CBS/ AP)  History may be calling but time's running out to act by Christmas, so Senate Democrats are coming to terms with the idea they won't get everything they want from health care overhaul.

For the second time in less than two weeks, President Barack Obama cajoled restive Democrats on Tuesday, urging them not to lose perspective amid intense intraparty battles over government's role and reach in health care. The public plan liberals hoped for appeared dead in the Senate, as did a Medicare buy-in scheme offered as a fallback.

Democrats may be close to securing the 60 votes they need at the expense, however, of some top liberal priorities, reports CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes.

"The president and vice president pointed out that you take your victories when you can and nothing prevents you from fighting on for the things you believe should have been achieved," said Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I. "But why spurn a victory in hand?"

"There was frustration and angst," Sen. Jay Rockefeller, D-W.Va., a leading liberal, said after the meeting at the White House. "Everybody has things they want, and they didn't all get what they want and that includes me, big-time."

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But Mr. Obama got their attention, said Rockefeller, describing a health care remake to cover tens of millions now uninsured as "the biggest thing since Social Security."

"It's hard to ignore that," Rockefeller said.

Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., a moderate who had been on the fence, said Tuesday night it's time to pass the bill.

But Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., was still scrambling to secure the 60 votes he needs to overcome a Republican filibuster. One holdout - Connecticut independent Sen. Joe Lieberman - was coming around fast. Another - Nebraska moderate Sen. Ben Nelson - was still uncommitted, criticizing the bill's restrictions on abortion funding as too lax.

Mr. Obama said Democrats were "on the precipice" of victory, not breakdown.

The president said differences still remain over details but described the bill as an accomplishment for the history books.

The legislation includes "all the criteria that I laid out" in a speech to a joint session of Congress earlier in the year, he said. "It is deficit-neutral. It bends the cost curve. It covers 30 million Americans who don't have health insurance, and it has extraordinary insurance reforms in there to make sure that we're preventing abuse."

The meeting followed an intense two days in which Democrats struggled - apparently successfully - to keep the legislation moving forward despite a flare-up over a proposal to expand Medicare to uninsured men and women as young as 55.

Lieberman announced Sunday he opposed the proposal, and he threatened to join Republicans in opposition if it stayed in the bill. With Democrats ready to jettison the Medicare change, "I'm going to be in a position where I can say ... that I'm ready to vote for health care reform," Lieberman said Tuesday.

That left Nebraska's Nelson as the only known potential holdout among the 60 senators who are members of the party's caucus, a group that includes 58 Democrats, Lieberman and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt.

The White House meeting came as Democrats awaited a final cost analysis from the Congressional Budget Office on the latest version of the bill, and the full Senate defeated an amendment to permit the importing of low-cost prescription drugs from Canada and elsewhere.

Democrats in the House are growing impatient with their Senate counterparts.

"The expression is a camel is a horse produced by committee. But when it's a Senate committee it's even worse," Rep. Anthony Weiner, D-N.Y., told CBS' "The Early Show" Wednesday.

"That's why you have a conference committee at the end of the day. I'm going to fight for the House position that included the public option.

"All of that being said, we can't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. But we are reaching a tipping point," Weiner said.

At its core, the legislation is designed to spread coverage to 30 million Americans who now lack it, impose new consumer-friendly regulations on the insurance industry and try to slow the rate of growth in health care spending. Most Americans would be required to purchase insurance, and the government would establish new insurance supermarkets called "exchanges" through which consumers could shop for policies.

The measure includes hundreds of billions in subsidies to defray the cost of insurance for families with incomes up to about $88,200 a year for a family of four. Additional assistance would go to small businesses.

Large companies would not face a requirement to cover their employees. But the government would impose charges if any of them did not do so and any of their workers qualified for federal subsidies to help them afford private coverage.

It would be financed with tax increases and Medicare cuts.

Democratic leaders mapped out a timetable that envisioned passage before Christmas - but just barely. The House approved its version of the bill earlier this fall, and final negotiations between the two chambers would follow a vote in the Senate.

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by infantryman1968 December 16, 2009 3:38 PM EST
Will Senate Dems Heed Obama's Message?
Day After President's Pep Talk on Health Care, Democrats Vow to Pass Historic Bill

The Socialist Revolution is Collapsing on all fronts. Even Howard Dean and Hugo Chaves are out there criticizing President Obama now.

He might as well resign now and go home.
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by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 4:03 PM EST
Howard Dean is criticizing Obama?

Confused much?
by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 3:29 PM EST
by Empire-George- December 16, 2009 3:16 PM EST
by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 2:28 PM EST

Obviously, you have been spending too much time at the Huffington Post, and failed to realize that the Majority of Americans like their healthcare the way it is.......so wave goodbye to your Congress....Bye, Bye Nancy, who's major contribution was changing the menu at the congressional commissary.






"the Majority of Americans like their healthcare the way it is"?

It's estimated that by the end of 2010, 40% of the population won't even HAVE employer sponsored health care!!!
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by Empire-George- December 16, 2009 3:20 PM EST
by infantryman1968 December 16, 2009 1:32 PM EST
Howard Dean is out there slaming the Democrats now. This is priceless.
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Got to love it....aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhh !!
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by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 3:31 PM EST
I love it too.

I hope this whole thing drags on until November. Then we'll get a "third sweep" at the polls, but this time it will be ALL republicans getting tossed - not just MOST of them.
by stn_sage December 16, 2009 3:14 PM EST
The Congress doesn't listen...or represent the public...why would they listen to the President? LOL!
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by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 2:28 PM EST
by Empire-George- December 16, 2009 1:30 PM EST

However, the democrats in power are determined to "force" this on the American people, despite their clear opposition......I guess they are dying to re-enter the private sector....let's speed that up in Nov.2010






Since when does the "clear opposition" of 20% of the population, dictate everything?

You tea baggers are STILL in the majority, BY FAR, when it comes to health care and the reform it DESPERATELY needs.
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by Empire-George- December 16, 2009 3:16 PM EST
by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 2:28 PM EST

Obviously, you have been spending too much time at the Huffington Post, and failed to realize that the Majority of Americans like their healthcare the way it is.......so wave goodbye to your Congress....Bye, Bye Nancy, who's major contribution was changing the menu at the congressional commissary.
by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 2:24 PM EST
by infantryman1968 December 16, 2009 1:32 PM EST
Howard Dean is out there slaming the Democrats now. This is priceless.

This is the begining of the end of your revolution hungry1968.






Little girl, you haven't seen ANYTHING yet. The republicans are going to get creamed - AGAIN - for the third straight election.

If Harry Reid had any balls, he'd FORCE the conservatives to filibuster the health care bill until November. Then he would put the public option back in it, and FORCE the vote on the Saturday before election day, and let the republicans kill it outright.

Then on Tuesday following the vote, EVERY republican would be swept out of office.
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by Empire-George- December 16, 2009 3:18 PM EST
by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 2:24 PM EST

Do you keep a Keg of the Obama koolaid next to your chair ? because you are so drunk on it, that you are seeing double....doubling the figures of those supporting healthcare and doubling your chances in Nov.

Obama blew it....he had the chance, and yet he forced his agenda on a financially broke populace......Democrats will pay dearly
by Empire-George- December 16, 2009 1:30 PM EST
by monitutonka December 16, 2009 12:58 PM EST

If you want to live is a socialistic country, try one of the European countries. The majoriy of the people in this country do not want to government to run everything as they are trying to do.
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However, the democrats in power are determined to "force" this on the American people, despite their clear opposition......I guess they are dying to re-enter the private sector....let's speed that up in Nov.2010
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by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 1:18 PM EST
by endurorob_5 December 16, 2009 10:39 AM EST
My annual family health care insurance is $476 plus $5 copay per visit and $5 copay on prescriptions so average $600 a year.
Life (numeraous plicies adding up to 20x my annual income) $33 month = $396 year.
Home owners on $250k home is $586.11.
Automobile for 2 cars $42 month = $504 year.
Family dental $481 year
Disability laong and short term $552.57
Vision $144

Why are my costs only 14% of what you claim.






YOUR part of health care is only $600 a year - just like those on medicaid and medicare.

How much is the GOVERNMENT'S PORTION of your health care?

Still at the 14% level, when you figure that in?
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by infantryman1968 December 16, 2009 1:32 PM EST
Howard Dean is out there slaming the Democrats now. This is priceless.

This is the begining of the end of your revolution hungry1968.
by monitutonka December 16, 2009 12:58 PM EST
If you want to live is a socialistic country, try one of the European countries. The majoriy of the people in this country do not want to government to run everything as they are trying to do.
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by starving1968-1 December 16, 2009 10:34 AM EST
by endurorob_5 December 16, 2009 10:20 AM EST
Item 1. They are not trying to outlaw abortion they are trying to ensure tax dollars do not pay for non medically necessary abortion.
Item 2. If the health care bill is intended to curb health care costs, which is quastionable then tort reform is one way of doing it. The dems of course are monitarily supported by trial lawyers so they can't do that. Also, if the idea is to curb costs why is insurance the only thing that the dems want to regulate. Why not regulate actual medical costs and legal costs and malpractice insurance costs.
Items 3, 4, and 5 are lies.
The biggest liars in the whole thing are the dems and Obama claiming this is all about cost reduction when in actuallity it is all about growing government and gaining power over the people and Obamas biggest lie claiming this would all be done in the open and in actallity it is 98% done behind closed doors.






They tried to turn the WHOLE BILL into a referendum on abortion, simply because they know that it's a very contentious / hot button issue.

Tort reform is nothing more than an attempt to overhaul the legal system. Just like Bush wanted to cap medical malpractice payouts at $250,000, no matter HOW HORRIFIC or paralyzed for life the patient is. If the republicans INSIST on reforming the ENTIRE LEGAL SYSTEM, then they should have did it in separate legislation, especially when they had complete control of Washington. Adding "judicial reform" to health care is nothing but a plan to try and draw another lobby, the bar association, into the mix.

3, 4, and 5 are NOT lies. You didn't hear about "death panels" and "pulling the plug on grandma"? Nothing but lies and smear, designed to SCARE the elderly, because they know the elderly are more likely to vote, than the younger generations are.
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