December 14, 2009 8:20 AM

Thousands Protest Amid Climate Bickering

(CBS/AP)  Last Updated 3:06 p.m. ET

Tens of thousands of protesters marched through the chilly Danish capital and 600 were detained Saturday, in a mass rally to demand an ambitious global climate pact just as talks hit a snag over rich nations' demands on China and other emerging economies.

The mostly peaceful demonstrations in Copenhagen provided the centerpiece of a day of global climate activism stretching from Europe to Asia. Police assigned extra officers to watch protesters marching toward the suburban conference center to demand that leaders act now to fight climate change.

Police estimated their numbers at 40,000, while organizers said as many as 100,000 had joined the march from downtown Copenhagen. It ended with protesters holding aloft candles and torches as they swarmed by night outside the Bella Center where the 192-nation U.N. climate conference is being held.

Police said they rounded up between 600 and 700 people in a preventive action against a group of youth activists at the tail end of the demonstration. Officers in riot gear moved in when some of the activists, masking their faces, threw cobblestones through the windows of the former stock exchange and Foreign Ministry buildings.

A police officer received minor injuries when he was hit by a rock thrown from the group and one protester was injured by fireworks, police spokesman Flemming Steen Munch said.

Earlier, police said they had detained 19 people, mainly for breaking Denmark's strict laws against carrying pocket knives or wearing masks during demonstrations.

Inside the Bella Center, the European Union, Japan and Australia joined the U.S. in criticizing a draft global warming pact that says major developing nations must rein in greenhouse gases, but only if they have outside financing. Rich nations want to require developing nations to limit emissions, with or without financial help.

Swedish Environment Minister Andreas Carlgren, representing the 27-nation EU, told The Associated Press that "there has been a growing understanding that there must be commitments to actions by emerging economies as well."

He said those commitments "must be binding, in the sense that states are standing behind their commitments."

Indian Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh said his country - the world's No. 5 greenhouse gas polluter - will not offer more than its current pledge to slow its growth rate of emissions. It has offered to cut greenhouse gases measured against production by 20 to 25 percent by 2020.

"National interest trumps everything else," Ramesh told the AP. "Whatever I have to do, I've said in my Parliament. We'll engage them (the U.S. and China). I'm not here to make new offers."

China has made voluntary commitments to rein in its carbon emissions but doesn't want to be bound by international law to do so. In China's view, the U.S. and other rich countries have a heavy historical responsibility to cut emissions and any climate deal in Copenhagen should take into account a country's level of development.

Alden Meyer of the Union of Concerned Scientists told the AP that rich nations are trying to re-negotiate the deal they reached two years ago on the island of Bali, calling on developing nations to limit emissions with financial help.

(AP Photo/Anja Niedringhaus)
"It's going to blow up in their faces," he said. "The rich countries are trying to move the goal posts. And developing countries are not going to agree to that, no matter how loudly the rich countries demand it."

(Left: A protestor joins a rally outside the Danish parliament in Copenhagen, Dec. 12, 2009.)

The tightly focused negotiating text was meant to lay out the crunch themes for environment ministers to wrestle with as they prepare for a summit of some 110 heads of state and government at the end of next week.

U.S. delegate Jonathan Pershing said the draft failed to address the contentious issue of carbon emissions by emerging economies.

"The current draft didn't work in terms of where it is headed," Pershing said in the plenary, supported by the European Union, Japan and Norway.

But the EU also directed criticism at the U.S., insisting it could make greater commitments to push the talks forward without stretching the legislation pending in Congress. Both the U.S. and China should be legally bound to keep whatever promises they make, Carlgren said.

(AP Photo/Dita Alangkara)
Thousands also marched in a "Walk Against Warming" in major cities across Australia and about 200 Filipino activists staged a festive rally in Manila to mark the Global Day of Action on climate change. Dozens of Indonesian environmental activists rallied in front of the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta (as seen left).

Environmentalists staged stunts and protests in 100 piazzas across Italy, from Venice's St. Mark's Square to a historical piazza in downtown Rome. They carried banners that read "stop the planet's fever" and asked passers-by to sign a petition calling on world leaders to reach a deal to reduce emissions.

In Copenhagen, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, a Nobel Peace laureate, and Greenpeace leader Kumi Naidoo were among those ratcheting up the pressure for a fair, ambitious and binding treaty.

Naidoo exhorted politicians to act bravely by crafting a fair, ambitious and binding treaty, so they can later "look their children and grandchildren in the eyes" and tell them they did the right thing. "Failure to do so will be the worst political crime that they would have committed," he said.

At a candlelight vigil on the conference grounds, Tutu compared the mass demonstrations outside to other popular movements that made a mark in history.

"We want to remind you that they marched in Berlin and the wall fell," Tutu said. "They marched in Cape Town and apartheid fell. They marched in Copenhagen and we are going to get a real deal."

Demonstrators chanted and carried banners reading "Demand Climate Justice," "The World Wants A Real Deal" and "There Is No Planet B," navigating for miles along city streets and over bridges past officers in riot gear, police dogs and the flashing lights of dozens of police vans.

Inside the Bella Center, delegates gathered around flat-screen TVs showing both the larger peaceful rally and the police crackdown on the young activists. Riot police tied them up with plastic cuffs and made them sit down on a closed-off street before busing them to a detention center set up for the climate conference.

Britain's Ed Miliband, the climate change secretary, said dealmakers have a long ways to go. "There are difficult issues to overcome," he said, "around emissions, around finance, and around transparency and they are all issues we need to tackle in the coming days."

But conference president Connie Hedegaard sought to reassure people that world leaders have come to seriously confront climate change.

"It has taken years to build up the pressure ... that we're also seeing unfolding today in many capitals around the world," Hedegaard said. "And I believe that that has contributed to making the political price for not delivering in Copenhagen so high."


For more info:
United Nations Climate Conference (COP-15) December 7-18, 2009

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by louiville35 December 13, 2009 10:25 AM EST
It kind of interesting, the last tea party protest had "0" arrest with about 100,000+ protesters. The left who act like spoiled brats cannot, it seems, hold a civil protest.
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by ubrew12 December 13, 2009 2:08 PM EST
Police don't arrest old fogies. Young people who've just been handed three decades of generational warfare, in the form of a $12 trillion national debt, an economy in freefall, and a climate-change catastrophe that Lyndon Johnson warned Congress about in 1965, tend to get upset enough to get arrested.

Get used to it. And pray they don't start targetting that rage on the generation who gifted them this unholy mess.
by tom_harris2 December 13, 2009 6:16 AM EST
Interesting to see those old bgos charges coming up again. Even if they were true, using them is a logical fallacy referred to as "motive intent" which is a form of "ad hominem" and should never be a substitute for thinking for oneself. The oly thing that counts is what a person is saying not who they are, so I challenge those who made the flawed comments about my background, please show where our Challenge to the UN is mistaken - that is all that matters.

Now, here are the corrections:

troutfishyman says, "Tom Harris works for the High Park Group, a PR company that lobbies for energy companies."

Answer: first I only worked for them for a few months back in 2006. Second, while the company was engaged in lobbying, I was never was (check the lobby registration for Canada) and in fact don't know how to do government lobbying (although I can guess) as I never have. A final point on that one is that the company mentioned also works with solar and wind companies.

troutfishyman also writes: I have read that you are actually an energy-industry lobbyist?"

Answer: Then what you have read is mistaken.

troutfishyman: "And what specific background do you have that provides you expertise on climate?"

A somewhat valid question: First, recognize that as ED of ICSC, I do not portray myself as a climate expert, although I work with them all the time and, having a background (B. and M degrees plus a couple of dacdes of experience) in thermo-fluids sciences usually, understand their papers and so can help translate them into layperson's language, always attributing the science back to the originating scientist. In other words, more than anything, I am a science middleman between the scientists and the general public.

Next?
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by nearl451 December 13, 2009 12:16 AM EST
The most reassuring thing is this -- the data will win out.

No matter what spin, the data will win out.

No fraud occurred.....just the data.
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by ubrew12 December 13, 2009 1:43 AM EST
The data is flawed, you can bet on that. How do I know this? Because human beings compiled it. The denier strategy is NOT to generate their own data (which would ALSO be flawed). It's to spend a century pointing out the flaws in CRUs data, GISSs data, NCDCs data, etc. And every time they find a flaw (and they WILL because these data banks were compiled by human beings),they will CROW AT THE TOP OF THEIR LUNGS 'The science isn't certain!!! The scientists don't know what they are doing!!! Lets not take ANY action!!!'

Under this scenario, the scientists have to be PERFECT. And the deniers just have to be patient. It's a forgone conclusion WHO will win.

Scientists need to realize that ANY denier who counters a scientific conclusion without THEIR OWN STUDY (and DATA) that shows a different conclusion, is setting them up for FAILURE. The reason the GW deniers don't do science themselves is because they know the science can NEVER be perfect... not EVER. It requires an angel to do perfect science. And that's why the deniers will never counter a scientific study WITH THEIR OWN STUDY. Instead, they will ask to look at the scientists DATA, where they KNOW mistakes are hiding. They will never do their own study, because that involves creating their OWN data. And, what do we know about human-generated data, by now? (that its riddled with mistakes).
by nearl451 December 13, 2009 9:21 AM EST
Ubrew.

Of course the data, like all data is flawed.

Not really my point. The bulk of data and continued data coming in cannot be faked. The data that the globe IS in fact growing warmer/faster and that more of the CO2/greenhouse change is from more ancient carbon (but man's involvment - not volcanic activity).

The motives behind the current politics are obvious, but the data (as imperfect as it is) eventually wins out.

Newton's laws are perfectly horrid (imperfect) when considering large celestial bodies or extremely small things or when things go near lightspeed. Imperfect, but useful.......and the DATA has won out.
by Mokkie57 December 12, 2009 9:51 PM EST
The BBC reports 900 arrested
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8409331.stm
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by troutfishyman December 12, 2009 9:46 PM EST
Tom Harris works for the High Park Group, a PR company that lobbies for energy companies.


hmmmmm.........
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by jankebenzone December 12, 2009 10:36 PM EST
Climate gate , top climate study scientists funded by the govt. are encouraged to exaggerate temperature number in order to back global warming agenda. Hmmmmmmm...............
by troutfishyman December 12, 2009 9:36 PM EST
Tom Harris:

I have read that you are actually an energy-industry lobbyist?

Seems like maybe you have a little conflict of interest here?

And what specific background do you have that provides you expertise on climate?
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by mav547166 December 13, 2009 12:58 AM EST
VS the billions of dollars of taxpayer money the "climate experts" have been spending to perpetuate a fraud your argument has even less of a leg to stand on.
by tom_harris2 December 12, 2009 7:39 PM EST
The article says, "Inside the Bella Center, delegates gathered around flat-screen TVs showing both the larger peaceful rally and the police crackdown on the young activists."

Actually, I was in the Bella Center speaking with delegates at abut the time I understand the protesters showed up en mass outside and, frankly, no one seemed to be paying any attention as far as I could see.

BTW, please see our challenge to the UN: The Copenhagen Climate Challenge at www.copenhagenclcimatechallenge.org. We now have about 160 climate expert scientific endorsers callig on the UN to release the observational data that supports their assertions.

Tom Harris
Executive Director
International Climate Science Coalition
www.climatescienceinternational.org
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by tom_harris2 December 12, 2009 7:41 PM EST
Sorry - the actual URL of our challenge is:

www.copenhagenclimatechallenge.org

Check it out!
by ubrew12 December 13, 2009 12:30 AM EST
Oh, I'll do more than check it out. I'll print it out to use for toilet paper.
by nearl451 December 12, 2009 5:12 PM EST
Hey see the latest.

The e-mail "climategate" is baseless. e-mail analysis shows no fraud in data!! Look it up.

After days and days of flat-earth nonsense.
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by curse914 December 12, 2009 5:49 PM EST
There was at least 10 Tea-Baggers in the crowd protesting FOR dirty air and water.
by kikamybutt December 12, 2009 4:45 PM EST
There are some crazy posts on here,some even down right silly!! So,I am going to be protesting the protest from the comfort of my home!! And why were we protesting??
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by slownewsday--5 December 12, 2009 7:38 PM EST
accurate and hilarious, skirts!
by barbaram99 December 12, 2009 4:36 PM EST
When we did have cable TV I saw a programme that touched on oil..Yep it will run out,,The govt uses the most oil..That is right. Everyone has good ideas.. It works if ye own yer home and is rich..The line money talks and bs is true. We need to hit the nail on the head. If ye have the money ye can do alot. When in poverty it is a different matter.. There are 2 Americas..One well to do and the other below the poverty line..Some of them protesters are wrong..It remind me of the hippies of years ago. We became a use it once people.
How can the poor do our part when on a fixed tiny income..It is the greed..We are not getting a cost of living raise even tho everything get higher and higher. War is a waste of money in many ways..One asked what can be done..Do a eay with greed and selfishness. Have fewer kids..A renter's hands are tied. I have a computer that only sleeps, restarts and shut down and that is my desk top No hibernate there. Yet they tell us all this now when they knew about the changes years ago..Never took steps in the matter..The world is woste today..It really is. I have lived in draught areas. Right in the US of A.. All my life I heard Ye living in the gratest nation on earth..Every day for years that line when I was a foster child..I was lied to. So we have the issues that were lied about..In order to deal with this we need to afordable housing with out the treat of homelessness..the basics..We can't provde that..We need to go to a one child family. There is over 7 billion people on this planet..There are shortages of housing,the basics..The govts are too busy having wars to care abot Jane/Johe Q Public..the little guy.
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