December 3, 2009 1:09 PM

Karzai: I can Work with Taliban for Peace

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Afghan President Hamid Karzai said Thursday he's willing to talk with the Taliban chief in a bid to bring peace to the country if the move has the backing of the United States and other international partners.

Karzai had previously offered to talk with Taliban leader Mullah Omar, but the Bush administration opposed such contacts. President Barack Obama has said the U.S. must "open the door" to Taliban members who abandon violence.

Karzai's interview, which took place in the presidential palace, was his first since Obama announced a new strategy for Afghanistan, including sending 30,000 U.S. reinforcements to combat the growing Taliban insurgency. Obama said in his Tuesday address if all went well, the U.S. could begin withdrawing troops in July 2011.

The Afghan leader said he was not upset by the July 2011 date because it would give an "impetus and a boost" for Afghans to work toward taking control of their own nation. He also said it was time to offer peace to Taliban members and end the insurgency.

"We must talk to the Taliban as an Afghan necessity. The fight against terrorism and extremism cannot be won by fighting alone," Karzai said. "Personally, I would definitely talk to Mullah Omar. Whatever it takes to bring peace to Afghanistan, I, as the Afghan president, will do it."

But Karzai said the effort must have the full backing of the United States and its international partners. He said "sections of the international community" had undermined previous peace overtures by harassing former Taliban members "even though they had quit the insurgency."

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He offered no examples.

Karzai offered to negotiate directly with Omar in November 2008, promising to provide security for the Taliban leader if he was "willing to come to Afghanistan or to negotiate for peace." The Taliban said at the time they would not enter into any negotiations as long as international forces were still in Afghanistan - a stance the group has held to since.

Omar disappeared after the collapse of the Taliban regime in November 2001 and has been rumored to be living in Pakistan, a charge the Pakistani government denies.

In Washington, a senior U.S. official declined to comment on the reported offer but noted the Obama administration wanted the Afghan government to pursue reconciliation.

"Obviously, being part of the reconciliation process requires recognizing the Afghan government, renouncing violence and becoming a part of the political process," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the issue is sensitive. "We have not seen him (Mullah Omar) give any indication that he is willing to join a peaceful and democratic process."

In Brussels, Belgium, U.S. special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, said reconciliation talks had been "on the backburner" but were now "moving to the frontburner.

"There's an open door for any people fighting with the Taliban to renounce al Qaeda, lay down their arms and are processed peacefully," Holbrooke said. "But let me be clear, this takes a little time. It has to be Afghan-led and it requires resources."

During the interview, Karzai appeared relaxed and confident, displaying an air of independence despite intense U.S. and international pressure to crack down on corruption and improve governance following this summer's contentious election that gave him a second term.

Karzai demanded the respect of Western leaders and defended the election, which U.N.-backed auditors said was tarnished by widespread fraud. He accused Western politicians and media of insulting him, his administration "and the Afghan people" by their repeated allegations of vote fraud.

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He said the election was not fraudulent and any corruption that occurred was not the work of Afghans.

"The Afghan elections were the best under the circumstances," he said. "We had no security in the south of the country. European observers called for the elections to be canceled even before the votes were counted."

He said the prospect of a U.S. military drawdown caused him no alarm.

"For Afghans, it's good that we are facing a deadline. We must begin to stand on our own feet. Even if it is with our own meager means - whatever those means may be. And we must begin to defend our own country. And if we, the Afghan people, cannot defend our country, ourselves, against an aggressor from within or without, then no matter what the rest of the world does with us, it will not produce the desired results," he said.

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by lmartink December 3, 2009 5:46 PM EST
Oh great. We are over there trying to kill the Taliban. And Karzai is sitting down to have tea with them.

And the really big story -- he has been talking with them for some time. One of his best cronies is selling opium, and using the profits to fund the Taliban.
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by jcdugger1234 December 3, 2009 2:35 PM EST
>>Allah & God are one and the same...Allah is just an Arabic word for God. There is no such thing as God vs. Allah, because that would imply that God is at war with himself.<<

Oh yeah Giraffe? Ask any Muslim if their is a difference between the Christian God and the Muslim God. And you will find out you were wrong.

They have a saying "Allah is the one and only true God"...If it's just "another word for God", then there would be no such saying.

You might view it as just a different word for the same meaning, but most Muslim's sure don't. I live in Dearborn, Michigan...the Muslim capital of the USA. Go to any store near where I live and ask if the Muslim God and the Christian God are the same person and I'm quite sure of the answer already (because I've asked the question many times to many people).

They view this as a showdown of God's, just like I exclaimed. They don't view at as God versus God. They view it as Christian-God versus Muslim-God.

Sorry to educate you.

JD
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by brianbwb-2009 December 3, 2009 3:49 PM EST
"Allah", or "God" if you prefer, refer to the same entity, the "God" of Abraham, (Ibrahim) from whom the Hebrew, Islamic, and Christian religions all draw the central tenet of their religion.

It is based on the same person, whose story appears in all three "holy" texts, who was tested by his deity, who apparently commanded him to sacrifice (kill) his own son.

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are sometimes referred to as the "Abrahamic religions" because of the progenitor role Abraham plays in their holy books. In the Jewish tradition, he is called Avraham Avinu or "Abraham, our Father". God promised Abraham that through his offspring, all the nations of the world will come to be blessed (Genesis 12:3), interpreted in Christian tradition as a reference particularly to Christ. Jews, Christians, and Muslims consider him father of the people of Israel through his son Isaac (cf. Exodus 6:3, Exodus 32:13) by his wife Sarah. For Muslims, he is a prophet of Islam and the ancestor of Muhammad through his other son Ishmael ? born to him by Sarah's servant, Hagar. (Jews and Christians refer to Hagar as Sarah's servant.) Abraham is also a progenitor of the Semitic tribes of the Negev who trace their descent from their common ancestor Sheba (Genesis 10:28).

You are the one in need of education.
by YoureSoWrong10 December 3, 2009 1:44 PM EST
I think that the only way the Taliban can contribute to the culture of Afghanistan is if they take turns posing as the Buddhist statues they have destroyed. Some of you can help them by kissing their feet in devotion, just as you do now.
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by lovenpeace1 December 3, 2009 1:48 PM EST
by YoureSoWrong10 December 3, 2009 1:44 PM EST
I think that the only way the Taliban can contribute to the culture of Afghanistan is if they take turns posing as the Buddhist statues they have destroyed. Some of you can help them by kissing their feet in devotion, just as you do now.

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Hey YoureSoWrong10,

88% of Americans approved the Invasion of Iraq 1 day after Bush announced his decision on National TV. I never approved the invasion of Iraq.

Americans contributed to the comeback of the Taliban by Blundering in Iraq.
by brianbwb-2009 December 3, 2009 4:06 PM EST
To lovenpeace1

The 88% figure is highly doubtful.

True there was a panic, but I believe the media helped exaggerate the support, just like they helped spread the lies about WMDs.

I seem to remember mass demonstrations in major cities across the nation, where the public was saying "not in my name".

These hundreds of thousands, even probably millions didn't even begin to represent, for example, "Black" people, who, having heard all those lies before, simply dismissed Bush as a looney, and having more immediate concerns, continued to focus on survival.

While it may be that a majority of Americans were indeed made suckers by the Bush agitprop, I do believe the actual stats were much closer to being a draw than anyone is willing to admit.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 3, 2009 1:27 PM EST
So as the outcome of Bush's lunacy, the Taliban, who were the government, having won the right through struggle, were overthrown by hostile US forces, using as an excuse, the actions of, and the goal to capture or kill "ex"-CIA operative Osama bin Laden.

The US invades Afghanistan, then changes the story from "get Bin Laden" to "overthrow the Taliban".

So after all the death, torture, and other crimes against humanity, as ordered by Bush, not to mention the corruption by the war profiteers, it is now decided that the Taliban do have a role to play in the government after all.

All that destruction, all the lies, all the corruption, was, as many of us maintained from the start, was for nothing, the only difference is now that Afghanistan has a corrupt US-imposed puppet sharing power with the Taliban.

That, and the fact that we are now economically broke, and also have wasted the lives of US soldiers, and Afghanistani citizens resisting our hostile invasion.

Thanks for nothing, Bush.

May you and your klan be brought to trial for your treason, and then sentenced according to each of your staff's roles.

I will pay a special visit to "p" on your grave.
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by brianbwb-2009 December 3, 2009 4:11 PM EST
To earth5667

History shows that the "pod" you speak of, grows from a seed intentionally planted by the US, so what is your point?

As for the fire department analogy, the FD knew who the arsonist was before the fire, they trained him, funded him, and gave him the fuel and the lighter.

Public record, son.
by infantryman1968 December 3, 2009 4:26 PM EST
brianbwb-2009 ? Your Still Alive?

I thought the cops popped you up in Washington State!
by lovenpeace1 December 3, 2009 1:07 PM EST
by TheStolenGiraffe December 3, 2009 12:38 PM EST
"...since we're unable to indentify with certainty who the members of Al-Queda are, it only makes sense to go after those who have some type of association with them, and that is the Taliban."

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Hey TheStolenGiraffe,

Using your own logic and reasoning.

Yes, Taliban functions like a Very Conservative Political Party in Afghanistan and they exist only in Afghanistan. America can fight Taliban in Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda is nationwide. Al-Qaeda is in Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Indonesia, etc. America cannot fight Al-Qaeda worldwide.

Al-Qaeda was created by Osama Bin Laden in great part because of the long Israel-Palestine conflict where America provides UnConditional support to Israel.
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by lovenpeace1 December 3, 2009 1:39 PM EST
by earth5667 December 3, 2009 1:24 PM EST
"...Its pretty obvious from your postings that no matter what You hate Israel and insert it into any post you write in."

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Hey earth5667,

I am not your enemy and that of Israel. Your and Israel's enemy is the world. According to our US State Department, Anti-Semitics is exploding around the world:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1334791720080314?feedType=RSSfeedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Soon, the world will be indifferent to the Jews just like Nazy Germany was before WWII. Soon, there will be another 2nd and final Holocaust.

Keep up the awesome work Zionists!!!
by lovenpeace1 December 3, 2009 1:40 PM EST
by earth5667 December 3, 2009 1:24 PM EST
"...Its pretty obvious from your postings that no matter what You hate Israel and insert it into any post you write in."

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Hey earth5667,

I am not your enemy and that of Israel. Your and Israel's enemy is the world. According to our US State Department, Anti-Semitics is exploding around the world:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1334791720080314?feedType=RSSfeedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true

Soon, the world will be indifferent to the Jews just like Nazy Germany was before WWII. Soon, there will be another 2nd and final Holocaust.

Keep up the awesome work Zionists!!!
by endurorob_5 December 3, 2009 1:03 PM EST
Here are a few links to a story that certain news outlets refuse to cover.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/12/02/climate.stolen.emails/index.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6703400/Professor-at-centre-of-climate-change-email-row-stands-down-temporarily.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html

http://www.examiner.com/x-25061-Climate-Change-Examiner~y2009m12d2-Australia-rejects-cap-and-trade-amid-furor-over-climate-change-scientists-emails

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/03/boxer-suggests-leaked-e-mails-represent-criminal-hacker-conspiracy/

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ikaqlFpp9jCRHWN0zNuamKXfyeMgD9CBV9300
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by stryker54 December 3, 2009 1:01 PM EST
I got a bridge to sell ya if you want one. This guy is a joke that stole an election, same as Obama, I never knew that fictional characters had money to contribute to Obama's campaign. Anyone see minnie mouse, oh yea she's F**king goofy.
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by lovenpeace1 December 3, 2009 12:46 PM EST
by TheStolenGiraffe December 3, 2009 12:38 PM EST
"...since we're unable to indentify with certainty who the members of Al-Queda are, it only makes sense to go after those who have some type of association with them, and that is the Taliban."

****************************

Hey TheStolenGiraffe,

Using your own logic and reasoning.

Yes, Taliban functions like a Very Conservative Political Party in Afghanistan and they exist only in Afghanistan.

Al-Qaeda is nationwide. Al-Qaeda is in Somalia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Indonesia, etc. America cannot fight Al-Qaeda worldwide.
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by excop1949 December 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST
Politics makes strange Bedouinfellows...
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by sjc_1 December 3, 2009 3:33 PM EST
This guy tried to make a deal with the Taliban about a year ago. They said get all the U.S. troops out of the country and they might talk about it. I do not think that the Taliban have peace in mind until they are running the whole country again.

Another question is how that country will pay for the army and police that we are training. A big cash flow is coming from the opium trade, but not to the central government. We can not afford to pay for their army and police forever.
by differnet December 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST
Yeah, that worked so well for Pakistan. Karzai is a fool. He's also a crook who stole his people's election.
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by lovenpeace1 December 3, 2009 12:40 PM EST
by differnet December 3, 2009 12:35 PM EST
Yeah, that worked so well for Pakistan. Karzai is a fool. He's also a crook who stole his people's election.

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Hey differnet,

I find it hard to believe that the Corruption in 2009 was not worst in 2004 during the Bush/Cheney Administration when Karzai was 1st elected.
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