November 24, 2009 1:36 PM

Obama to Make Afghanistan Decision?

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(AP)  The White House braced for a tough sell of President Barack Obama's long-awaited decision on whether to commit tens of thousands of new U.S. forces to the stalemated war in Afghanistan, even as the president met Monday with top advisers for possibly the last major deliberations before an announcement.

Military officials and others expect Obama to settle on a middle-ground option that would deploy an eventual 32,000 to 35,000 U.S. forces to the 8-year-old conflict. That rough figure has stood as the most likely option since before Obama's last large war council meeting earlier this month, when he tasked military planners with rearranging the timing and makeup of some of the deployments.

The president has said with increasing frequency in recent days that a big piece of the rethinking of options that he ordered had to do with building an exit strategy into the announcement - in other words, revising the options presented to him to clarify when U.S. troops would turn over responsibility to the Afghan government and under what conditions.

As White House press secretary Robert Gibbs put it to reporters on Monday, it's "not just how we get people there, but what's the strategy for getting them out."

Obama held the 10th meeting of his Afghanistan strategy review since mid-September on Monday night, with a large cast of foreign policy and military advisers, to go over that revised information from war planners. The two-hour Situation Room session was aimed at discussing "some of the questions that the president had, some additional answers to what he'd asked for," Gibbs said.

The meeting was arranged for the unusual nighttime slot to accommodate both Obama's packed public schedule on Monday and the fact that many of his top advisers were leaving town for the holiday. No more war council meetings are on the calendar.

The presidential spokesman had said ahead of the meeting that it was possible Obama could lock in a decision then, or that one could come "over the course of the next several days." In either case, it will not be announced this week, he said, and the meeting concluded with no announcement about a decision.

The White House is aiming for an announcement by Obama next week, either Tuesday or Wednesday, after Congress returns from its Thanksgiving break.

Military officials, congressional aides and European diplomats said they expect Obama to deliver a national address laying out the revamped strategy. Obama said in a television interview last week: "At the end of this process, I'm going to be able to present to the American people in very clear terms what exactly is at stake, what we intend to do, how we're going to succeed, how much it's going to cost, how long it's going to take."

Congressional hearings would immediately follow that address, including testimony from the U.S. commander in Afghanistan, Gen. Stanley McChrystal. Others likely to take part in hearings would be Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, Defense Secretary Robert Gates and U.S. Ambassador to Afghanistan Karl Eikenberry. All four were among the approximately 20 top administration officials and Obama advisers participating in the talks Monday night - one of the biggest groups gathered for these sessions in some time.

Obama must not only sell his plan to the public, but to foreign allies whose additional resources the White House wants in Afghanistan and to lawmakers on Capitol Hill who would be asked the fund the effort.

Gibbs said that the subject of a war tax on the wealthy, proposed by a handful of leading Democrats, has not come up yet in the president's extensive war council meetings. But the idea, though unlikely to pass Congress, is one way for Democrats who are coming to dislike the war in greater numbers to challenge the president to confront the cost of any escalation.

Democratic allies of the president, such as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Armed Services Chairman Carl Levin, have become more outspoken on the war in other forums as well.

The force infusion expected by the military would represent most but not all the troops requested by Obama's war commander, for a retailored war plan that blends elements of McChrystal's counterterror strategy with tactics more closely associated with the CIA's unacknowledged war to hunt down terrorists across the border in Pakistan.

McChrystal presented options ranging from about 10,000 to about 80,000 forces, and told Obama he preferred an addition of about 40,000 atop the record 68,000 in the country now, officials have said.

Obama has already ordered a significant expansion of 21,000 troops since taking office. The war has worsened on his watch, and public support has dropped as U.S. combat deaths have climbed.

The additional troops would be concentrated in the south and east of Afghanistan, the areas where the U.S. already has most of its forces, military officials said. The new troops that already went this year were directed to help relieve Marines stretched to the limit by far-flung postings in Helmand province and that would continue, while the U.S. effort would expand somewhat in Kandahar.

The increase would include at least three Army brigades and a single, larger Marine Corps contingent, officials said.

All officials spoke on condition of anonymity because the decision is not final.

U.S. war planners would be forgoing the option of increasing U.S. fighting power in the north, a once-quiet quadrant where insurgents have grown in strength and number in the past year. But McChrystal's recommendation never called for a quick infusion there.

In the absence of large additions of ground forces, dealing with the north would probably require relying more heavily on air power, two military officials said. Any such additional air strikes would be more successful if, as U.S. officials hope, Pakistan turns up the heat on Taliban militants on their side of the border.

As originally envisioned by McChrystal, the additional U.S. troops would begin flowing in late January or after, on a deployment calendar that would be slower and more complex than that used to build up the Iraq "surge" in 2007. McChrystal's schedule for full deployment has it taking nearly two years, military officials said.

The relatively slow rollout is largely driven by logistics. But it also could give the White House some leverage over Afghan President Hamid Karzai. U.S. officials note that where and how fast troops are deployed are a means to encourage fresh and more serious efforts at cooperation and clean government in Afghanistan.

AP
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by Omni-Present101 November 24, 2009 12:58 PM EST
Bush-Cheney: Allowed 8 Years of US Soldiers to [[DIE]] in Afghanistan.

Bush-Cheney: Took 3 Months to Sign Off On the [[SURGE]]

Bush-Cheney: Refused to Send 22,000 More Troops to Afghanistan and left that Request from his Own the Ground General, for President Barack H.Obama, to Fill and he Did.

Bush-Cheney: Never Included the Cost of Both the Iraq & Afghanistan Wars, into the National Budget, President Obama will.

Bush-Cheney: Unlike all Other Nations Leaders, Did Not Include an..

[[Exit Strategy]]

President Obama will.

Bush-Cheney: Borrowed [[Billions]] from Communist-Socialist China to Finance our 2 Wars for 8 Years and Not Once Did Fox News, Limbaugh, Republican Radio or Pundits Call them..


[Communist-Socialist, Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist, Terrorist or Leftist]

All it took was for the Nation to Elect a Bi-Racial Man as POTUS and it was Back to ...

The McCarthy Era, or shall I say Glenn Beck Era
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by Omni-Present101 November 24, 2009 11:29 AM EST
Call it ?Pay As You Fight.?

After months of listening to conservatives caterwaul over deficits and health care, senior House Democrats want a graduated surtax on individuals and corporations to pay for another big drain on the treasury: the Afghanistan war.

Three full committee chairmen ? including the House?s top tax writer, Ways and Means Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.) ? are backing the initiative together with the chair of the party caucus, Rep. John Larson (D-Conn.), and close allies of Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

The speaker has been silent thus far, and many dismiss the idea as more rhetoric than real legislation. But with President Barack Obama due to make a final decision soon on adding more U.S. troops, the initiative testifies to the growing restlessness among Democrats over the costs of the American commitment in Afghanistan.

Today?s jobless rate ? far worse than during the height of the Vietnam War in the '60s ? adds to this angst. And Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), who oversees the Pentagon?s budget and supports the surtax, went so far as to send Obama last month a copy of Yale historian Paul Kennedy?s..

?The Rise and Fall of the Great Powers.?

U.S. military spending in Afghanistan had reached $3.6 billion a month this summer ? or more than $43 billion a year, according to estimates by the Congressional Research Service. And in the course of meeting with lawmakers, Obama has used a rough measuring stick that every 1,000 troops added will add another $1 billion to this annual basis.

?We?re not trying to insult anybody. We?re just trying to keep in the forefront what the financial costs are,? House Appropriations Committee Chairman Dave Obey (D-Wis.) told POLITICO. ?We felt conscience bound to speak up?

?It?s conditional, but if we?re going to add 40,000 troops, people ought to know what the costs are,? said House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.). ?It?s important for people to understand how these wars are adding to our deficits.?

Dubbed the ?Share the Sacrifice Act,? the six-page bill exempts anyone who has served in Iraq or Afghanistan since the 2001 terrorist attacks as well as families who have lost an immediate relative in the fighting. But middle-class households earning between $30,000 and $150,000 would be asked to pay 1% on top of their tax liability today ? a more sweeping approach than many Democrats have been willing to embrace.

By comparison, Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin (D-Mich.) has spoken only of an added tax on the wealthy. Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Daniel Inouye (D-Hawaii) remains hesitant about any surtax to cover the war: ?Someone has to demonstrate how it can be done,? he told POLITICO in a statement Monday.
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by stn_sage November 24, 2009 9:48 AM EST
Unless something substantially changes there, Mr. Obama is taking ALL this time just to announce HE'S escalating the war and EXPANDING Bush's mistake, CONTRARY to his campaign pledge!

And doing this, at a time when the economy is 'on the brink' of collapse!

THIS, is not a responsible act of a responsible president!

And, if the GOP puts up a viable candidate instead of the idiot pretenders who claim to be leaders of that party, Mr. Obama will be a one-term president!
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by Omni-Present101 November 24, 2009 9:27 AM EST
We're Borrowing BILLIONS form Communist-Socialist China, They are our Lenders and Sooner or Later, they will STOP and DEMAND PAYMENT and when that Happens, other Nations will STOP and DEMAND PAYMENT TOO.

The Greatest Nation will become the Poorest Nation. We Cannot Continue to Borrow from China and other Foreign Powers, It makes Us look [[WEAK]]

How does this LOOK to other Nations ?

It looks like what it is....

Begging Peter to Pay Paul and Mary
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George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and their 6 Year Majority Ruling, Big Spending Congress & Senate, Destroyed this Country's Economy...
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We Don't have any Money, We're BROKE, Thank George W. Bush and Dick Cheney and their 6 Year Majority Senate & Congress, who Vote for and sign off on any and All Spending Bills, Bush wanted.

Reality: We Borrow Money from Communist-Socialist China with Interest.

At The Cost of 10-20 Billion Dollars Per Month, with Interest, for the Past 8 Years and Counting.

That's 500 Million Dollars Per Day of Interest.

You Happy with Borrowing Billions from Communist-Socialist China..

Don't complain about Socialism & Communism, until we pay off the Debt.

This is a Rich Man's War and if the Rich Want the Wars to Continue, Let them Pay for it, oppose to us Borrowing from Communist Socialist China.

Better still, Start the ...

[[DAMN DRAFT-NOW !!]]

All Groups, Poor,Working Poor, Middle Class-Upper Middle Class, The Rich and Super Rich.
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by JayAdler1 November 24, 2009 3:50 AM EST
At 58 years old I can say that my president for speculating on Afghanistan is that I viewed the entire Vietnam War on an old Philco television back on New York's Upper West Side. Richard Nixon in 1968 had already lost a presidential contest in 1960 and the California gubernatorial race in 1962, his home state. He said that we would not have him to kick around any more. Americans wanted him over a "wishy-washy populist dove like opponent because they knew from his days as the Checker Speech protagonist and his red baiting history that he was the under the table, spy versus spy Tricky Dicky that could polish off that war fast no matter how he did it. Well he couldn't do it. There was the Vietnamization of the War that did not work just as we are talking about that premise in Afghanistan. We have to be careful, Nixon who is not regarded as a gem nevertheless had the hands on experience and yes the innate devious qualities to actually accomplish ending a war. Election 2008 was an odd and surreal affair. Wake up anyone at anytime in 2008 at 3am and they would tell you Obama would win. Give the guy a cup of coffee and walk him around and he would also tell you that Obama was relatively inexperienced with no executive credentials. Still, he had to be elected, no gripe from me. I remember Richard Nixon sitting at a desk on my Philco telling America that the B52's were bombing Haiphong Harbor. What ever goes around comes around.
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by pensacola8-2009 November 24, 2009 1:03 AM EST
I fully approve President Obama's decision to discern before deciding what to do. National Anxiety got us there and National Pride Kept us there.

In VP Joe Biden's famous words, "Then What?!" No matter what President Obama decides, he has to come up with an answer to that repetitive question until an acceptable answer is put forth that he can live with.
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by Marc_1986 November 24, 2009 8:53 AM EST
"Then What?" "Yes we can!"

Two completely oblique slogans that further back what the public is coming to realize. Obama can't make up his mind, nor can he make the tough decisions.

More window-dressing by the Obama office.
by 50BMS13 November 24, 2009 12:25 AM EST
Sarah Palin and Dick Cheney are correct! OBAMA IS DITHERING ON AFGHANISTAN.
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by Omni-Present101 November 24, 2009 9:19 AM EST
Sarah Palin wouldn't Know her Ear Hole from her A!! Hole if not for Fox News, Limbaugh,Hannity, Beck, O'Reily and Dick Chney Distinguishing the Two Holes for her.

She had to wait 3 Months to Clearly understand what the Word 'Dithering" was, like Most Followers of Fox News and Republican talk Radio, the Biggest Nest of ..

Chicken-Hawk Talk News
by wfw3536 November 24, 2009 12:01 AM EST
I have been hearing this for the past 6 weeks. Why doesn't the press give Obama more time as it seems he just can't make a decision. I just feel sorry for our brave women and men who are involved in the Afghan war and do not have the support they need.
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by 50BMS13 November 24, 2009 12:04 AM EST
wfw3536
You got that right. Could you imagine having your life on the line wondering when help is coming. OR if in fact you are going to be pulled out in days weeks months? Has to be tough...
by Omni-Present101 November 24, 2009 9:16 AM EST
Bush let Troops and People like Pat Tillman Die in Afghanistan.

Bush left a Request for More Troops [22,000]from his On the Ground General, for 8 Months and Never Filled the Request, Guess who Signed and Filled Bush's General's Request ?

President Barack Obama.

He'll have an Exit Strategy, like Most of the Nations Involved in Afghanistan and unlike George W. Bush's Administration.

We're not going t be there Forever.

Afghanistan is "Tribalism Governing" as Ron Paul said.

George Will, Ron Paul and even Hard head Michael Savage all Agree, we need to Leave Afghanistan [Now]
by 50BMS13 November 23, 2009 11:50 PM EST
Has he made a decision yet?
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by Soapm November 23, 2009 11:31 PM EST
Alls I can say is I sure hope they attach the tax increase to pay for this war to the same bill that increases the troops. The Republican's have to stop getting a free ride. If they want to fight this war then we need to pay for it because in their own words, "to not pay for it is generational theft".
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by Omni-Present101 November 24, 2009 9:11 AM EST
Correct and the Bush-Cheney-Rove Admin. Never factored in the War Cost in their National Budget, in 8 years, they Never included the war Cost...

Incompetent and Irresponsible
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