Nov. 02, 2009

Snow Cap Vanishing Off Mt. Kilimanjaro

Melting Glaciers Could Soon Eliminate White Cap From Tanzania's Mount Kilimanjaro

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(AP)  The snows of Kilimanjaro may soon be gone.

The African mountain's white peak - made famous by writer Ernest Hemingway - is rapidly melting, researchers report.

Some 85 percent of the ice that made up the mountaintop glaciers in 1912 was gone by 2007, researchers led by paleoclimatologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University report in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

And more than a quarter of the ice present in 2000 was gone by 2007.

If current conditions continue "the ice fields atop Kilimanjaro will not endure," the researchers said.

The Kilimanjaro glaciers are both shrinking, as the ice at their edges melts, and thinning, the researchers found.

Similar changes are being reported at Mount Kenya and the Rwenzori Mountains in Africa and at glaciers in South America and the Himalayas.

"The fact that so many glaciers throughout the tropics and subtropics are showing similar responses suggests an underlying common cause," Thompson said in a statement. "The increase of Earth's near surface temperatures, coupled with even greater increases in the mid- to upper-tropical troposphere, as documented in recent decades, would at least partially explain" the observations.

Changes in cloudiness and snowfall may also be involved, though they appear less important, according to the study.

On Kilimanjaro, the researchers said, the northern ice field thinned by 6.2 feet (1.9 meters) and the southern ice field by 16.7 feet (5.1 meters) between 2000 and 2007.

Researchers compared the current area covered by the glaciers with maps of the glaciers based on photographs taken in 1912 and 1953 and satellite images from 1976 and 1989.

The research was funded by the U.S. National Science Foundation and National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.


Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 10:48 AM EST
by cbs4111:
"The melting of the Furtwangler Glacier at the summit of the Kilimanjaro began 125 years ago. More of the glacier had melted before Hemingway wrote The Snows of Kilimanjaro in 1936 than afterward. The daily average temperature at the summit NEVER rises above freezing, not then and not now. Daytime temps are about 5C, and nighttime temps are about -20C. The cause of the melting is known to not be temperature related"
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More anti-CBS rhetoric from the DENIALIST religion, without any proof despite this being an AP article from scientific researchers with proof of their own making your accusations look juvenile.

First off, where's your PROOF of the melting beginning 125 years ago?

Where's your PROOF that the majority of melting occurred before 1936?

Where's your PROOF that the average temperature of the summit never rises above freezing, despite your 5 degrees Celsius (40 degrees Fahrenheit) daytime temperature statement?

Where's your PROOF of the difference between summer and winter temps?

Where's your PROOF that the melting is not temperature related, despite saying that the daytime temperature was 5C or 40 degrees F?

Where's your PROOF that the sun's intensity and ultraviolet rays cannot melt the glacier at 15,000 feet ASL, even when the temperature is below freezing?

Where's your PROOF that the consensus is reduced snowfall when in May 2008, The Tanzanian Minister for Natural Resources, Ms Shamsa Mwangunga, said that there were indications that snow cover on the mountain was actually increasing?



Nah....you DENIALISTS continue to spew anti-science rhetoric and propaganda without one shred of PROOF, and just sound juvenile!
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by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 10:53 AM EST
Actually, I'm quite surprised you didn't say the recent melting was caused by volcanic activity, despite recent studies suggesting the last eruptions on the mountain were between 150,000 and 200,000 years ago!
by louiville35 November 3, 2009 11:59 AM EST
by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 10:53 AM EST
Actually, I'm quite surprised you didn't say the recent melting was caused by volcanic activity, despite recent studies suggesting the last eruptions on the mountain were between 150,000 and 200,000 years ago!
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Ahh but it is caused by deforestation, that's a proven fact!
by ibzjem November 3, 2009 6:29 PM EST
Ahh yes. All that lost forest (what is it now millions of acres?) that could be breathing in CO2, and that could be preventing any permafrost from releasing methane.
by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 10:16 AM EST
Some 85 percent of the ice that made up the mountaintop glaciers in 1912 was gone by 2007, researchers led by paleoclimatologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University report in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

And more than a quarter of the ice present in 2000 was gone by 2007.
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This is not simply a receding of worldwide glaciers over tens of thousands of years or "CBS propaganda," but the disappearing of the LAST of the snow and ice that moderates our planet's climate. The warming is accelerating at unprecedented speed, and we're seeing changes now happening in just decades that took hundreds or thousands of times longer.

The DENIALIST religion lives on for constipated conservitards that have always been anti-science while worshipping the almighty American dollar! This should not be a political battle fought over ideology like the republican'ts have chosen, since more of the GOP footdragging to address global warming will only cost a lot more the longer it is delayed.
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by hagar39 November 3, 2009 8:06 AM EST
Remember folks..conservatives has always been against everything. I pick at my consevatives friends how they were opposed to cable TV, cell phones, home computers, and all the new modern technology. Now, guess who has the computers, cell phones and cable TV?
Read your history. Remember when Conservatives were against the automoble? They said it would put the black smith and carriage makers out of business. That is the last time they have been right about anything.
Mention war, and they get all excited. What away to live.
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by Noval53 November 3, 2009 8:01 AM EST
Glaciers melted at the end of the last ice age. All the cave dwelling people went into a complete panic. They formed political action committees to stop global warming. No doubt they marched against carbon emissions and fossil fuels. Despite all their best efforts the Mastadons, Mammoths, and Wooly Rinos all died anyway. If only they had put those camp fires out sooner; think where we could be today.
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by briannorwood November 3, 2009 9:43 AM EST
That, my friend is an absolutely ridiculous statement. Yes, climate change has happened in the past. However what you fail to realize is that past changes occurred over tens of thousands of years.

This provided time for flora and fauna to adapt and evolve to meet the changing conditions.

When you have change of such magnitude occurring in a geological blink of an eye, the situation is completely different. Species do not have the time to adapt.

So please, learn a little science before you form your ill-conceived opinions.
by Noval53 November 3, 2009 10:32 AM EST
But of course it's a ridiculous statement; meant to be. The ice age did end quite rapidly. Perhaps you need to do a little more homework. Mammoths, Mastadons, & Wooly Rinos didn't get enough time to adapt. Climate changes have happened rapidly throughout history. There's certainly no reason to enduce panic or act out a chicken little story.
by doc_holliday76 November 3, 2009 11:14 AM EST
During the Quaternary Period, the total volume of land ice, sea level, and global temperature has fluctuated initially on 41,000- and more recently on 100,000-year time scales, as evidenced most clearly by ice cores for the past 800,000 years and marine sediment cores for the earlier period.
by bubbadubba November 3, 2009 7:05 AM EST
I am so upset about this story I cannot go to work today.
LOL
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by Noval53 November 3, 2009 8:32 AM EST
I'm in an absolute panic too. I wonder what the cave people did at the end of the last ice age when "all" the world's glaciers were receeding. I'm sure there must have be total panic. The Climate Witch Doctor probably ordered everyone to stop burning wood or fossil fuels. The Neaderthals didn't listen to the climate alarmist and look what happened to them.
by incog-nito November 2, 2009 11:00 PM EST
It's funny how religious people who oppose science like to accuse science itself as being "just another religion". They obviously have no clue that they're undermining themselves, effectively saying that religion itself is "just another religion".
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by Noval53 November 3, 2009 8:39 AM EST
It is pretty funny how climate "mad" scientists are beginning to look and sound more & more like an out of control Earth Worship Religious Group. Zealots of this religion treat others like infidels and wish to extract payment from all non believers.
by mav547166 November 2, 2009 9:12 PM EST
The sun is going to turn into a red giant and roast the Earth. Donate now and you still will not stop it, but it might make a con man a little happier. Thats truth in advertisement.
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by doc_holliday76 November 2, 2009 7:26 PM EST
by cbs4111:
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You rabid DENIALISTS continue your attacks without any scientific knowledge or research, since this is an Associated Press story reporting findings by researchers led by paleoclimatologist Lonnie Thompson of Ohio State University report in Tuesday's edition of Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

It just doesn't seem to matter to those DENIALISTS, what real scientists and researchers are finding in the 21st century, since they keep spewing the same anti-science propaganda without facts!

"On Kilimanjaro, the researchers said, the northern ice field thinned by 6.2 feet (1.9 meters) and the southern ice field by 16.7 feet (5.1 meters) between 2000 and 2007."

"Researchers compared the current area covered by the glaciers with maps of the glaciers based on photographs taken in 1912 and 1953 and satellite images from 1976 and 1989."
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by cbs4111 November 2, 2009 6:40 PM EST
It's like playing "whack-a-mole" with these global warming alarmists.

The melting of the Furtwangler Glacier at the summit of the Kilimanjaro began 125 years ago. More of the glacier had melted before Hemingway wrote The Snows of Kilimanjaro in 1936 than afterward. The daily average temperature at the summit NEVER rises above freezing, not then and not now. Daytime temps are about 5C, and nighttime temps are about -20C. The cause of the melting is known to not be temperature related; low snowfall is the cause of the declining glacier, and that's been happening since before CO2 started to increase. The cause is a long-term decline in precipitation made worse by regional deforestation.

CBS, you should know that the claim that Kilimanjaro's glaciers are melting because of global warming has been tried in court (High Court in London, 2007) and found to be without merit.

It is also distinctly NOT true that tropical glaciers in the Andes are melting from Global Warming, tropical Andes glaciers were largely ice-free over MOST of the past 10,000 years, the glaciers that are now melting were completely gone well before man emitted any CO2 except by breathing. They came back during recent periods of increased precipitation.

CBS, you really need to start fact-checking the propaganda coming from global warming alarmists. The quality of your reporting is just disgusting.
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