October 29, 2009 1:42 PM

Pelosi Unveils House Health Care Bill

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House Democrats unveiled sweeping health care legislation Thursday that would vastly alter America's medical landscape, requiring virtually universal sign-ups and establishing a new government-run insurance option for millions.

"Today we are about to deliver on the promise of making quality, affordable health care available for all Americans," House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said from the steps of the Capitol building. "We have listened to the American people. We are putting forth a bill that reflrects our best values and greatest challenges."

Lawmakers have said the legislation could be up for a vote on the House floor next week.

The legislation's unveiling caps months of arduous negotiations to bridge differences between liberal and moderate Democrats and blend health care overhaul bills passed by three separate committees over the summer.

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The final product in the House, reflecting many of President Obama's priorities, includes new requirements for employers to offer insurance to their workers or face penalties, fines on Americans who don't purchase coverage and subsidies to help lower-income people do so. Insurance companies would face new prohibitions against charging much more to older people or denying coverage to people with health conditions.

The bill, Pelosi said, will insure 36 million more Americans, extending health coverage to around 96 percent of Americans. It brings "affordability for the middle class, security for our seniors and responsibility to our children," Pelosi said.

Still, some controversial issues need to be worked out.

While the bill includes a government-run insurance plan, or "public option," Democratic progressives are frustrated that it allows negotiated rates to providers instead of set rates, a complaint they're certain to voice in a White House meeting with President Barack Obama later in the day.

Rep. Lynn Woolsey, D-Calif., a co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, was noncommittal on Wednesday about whether progressives would accept the negotiated rates. "This is not walkaway time and it is not acceptance time," she said.

Other complications remain as well. A group of conservative Democrats are threatening to block the legislation unless it includes an explicit ban on taxpayer dollars funding abortions, reports CBS News correspondent Nancy Cordes.

"This is an urgently needed bill," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer said Thursday, adding that "befitting the importance of this legislation, the process of putting it together has been deliberative, transparent and open... Health insurance reform has come through all that scrutiny and debate a stronger, better bill."

Pelosi said the bill would strip the health insurance industry of a long-standing exemption from antitrust laws covering market allocation, price fixing and bid rigging.

The bill would be paid for by taxing high-income people and cutting some $500 billion in payments to Medicare providers. Democrats issued a statement saying their measure "lowers costs for every patient" and would not add to federal deficits. They put the cost of coverage at under $900 billion over 10 years.

Obama issued a statement saying House Democrats had reached a "critical milestone" on the road toward a health care overhaul, and singled out the proposed government insurance option. He also said the bill "clearly meets two of the fundamental criteria I have set out: It is fully paid for and will reduce the deficit in the long term."

Republican reaction was swift and critical.

Rep. Tom Price, R-Ga., head of the Republican Study Committee, issued a statement saying Democrats had produced a "government takeover that will limit choice, competition and innovation in health care while increasing costs and decreasing quality." He said the measure would kill jobs, raise taxes and inflict cuts on a program of private Medicare that provides benefits to millions of seniors.

GOP leaders long ago decided to oppose the approach requested by Obama and taken by Democrats, and health care is expected to figure in next year's congressional election campaign.

Plenty of work remains to be done before a bill could land on Mr. Obama's desk - and there's still no guarantee that Congress can complete the legislation before year's end, as the president wants. If Mr. Obama does sign a health overhaul bill, he will have bucked decades of failed attempts by past administrations, most recently by former President Bill Clinton in the 1990s.

House leaders hope to finish the bill before Veteran's Day, Nov. 11. The Senate is aiming to start debate sometime in the next several weeks. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., is trying to round up support among moderate Democrats for his bill, which includes a modified government insurance option that states could opt out of.

Bills passed by the House and Senate would have to be merged before a final product could be sent to Mr. Obama, and there are a number of differences between the two chambers that would have to be reconciled. Among them are the different approaches to the public plan. The House does not include the opt-out provision for states, and it has more stringent requirements for employers. The Senate would use a tax on high-value insurance plans to pay for the bill, an approach that the House version doesn't have.

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by natdef_1 November 1, 2009 10:06 AM EST
LEGACY,

I don't know where you studied economics, but your comments are fundamentally flawed.

Your logic of a moral imperative trumping a profit motive because of the common good is the basis of the Communist Manifesto.

How can you argue that healthcare is somehow more deserving of a "moral" marketplace than FOOD PRODUCTION, or HOUSING? What about CLOTHING PRODUCTION? What about TRANSPORTATION?

One could argue, just as you have, that ALL OF THESE are critical to "people's lives," as you put it. It follows, then, that you would have us hand over the means of production in all these areas to the government, so that all the "monkeys" will have what they need without having to do anything to get it. That is COMMUNISM, my friend.

Under the Marxist/Communist belief system, society has a "moral" imperative to provide ALL of life's necessities to EVERY citizen, regardless of their ability (or EFFORT) to acquire these things by themselves.

This system (as nice as it might sound) has been PROVEN not to work in the real world of human beings, where selfishness prevails.

Healthcare is no different than any other marketplace. Put in "communal" requirements and central control, you will LOSE competition, and in so doing, you will LOSE innovation, quality, and ultimately the value that consumers deserve for their money.

At its core, this approach is un-American, and will fail.
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by natdef_1 November 1, 2009 9:53 AM EST
WRONG ON EVERY COUNT:

Payroll tax because you have a job
Drivers License because you want to drive a car
Business License because you want to own a business
Car Insurance because you want to own a car
Property Tax (same as your "school tax") for Owning Property
Sales Tax because you buy "things"
House title, vehicle title, building permits, etc., all because you OWN THINGS

HEALTH INSURANCE MANDATE: BECAUSE YOU ARE ALIVE. ALIVE. THAT'S ALL. IF YOU ARE ALIVE, YOU ARE FORCED TO PURCHASE INSURANCE.

THAT IS UNPRECENDENTED, NO MATTER HOW YOU SLICE IT.

EVEN THE CBO COULD FIND NO PARALLEL IN HISTORY WHEN THEY DID THEIR REVIEW.

FACE THE FACTS: IF THE GOVERNMENT CAN FORCE YOU TO BUY INSURANCE TO BE ALIVE, IT CAN FORCE YOU TO DO ANYTHING.
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by natdef_1 November 1, 2009 9:52 AM EST
THIS IS HARDLY PROMOTING COMPETITION, AS YOU LIBS LIKE TO CONTEND...

Under this legislation, the US Government can:

tell insurance companies who they must cover
tell insurance companies what benefits must be offered
tax insurance companies for additional benefits offered
set reimbursement rates
determine which procedures will be allowable under new standards of care
tax insurance company profits
use insurance company taxes to subsidize their "competitive" insurance

and, due to the choice that employers will have whether to offer insurance or pay a penalty, ultimately SUCK all of us into a single-payer system. After all, that is Barack, Nancy, Harry, and Barney's ultimate goal, as they have stated over and over, in case you haven't seen the videotapes.

SETTING AND CONTROLLING THE MARKET IS NOT COMPETITION!
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by doc_holliday76 November 1, 2009 9:46 AM EST
by natdef_1:
"Zikes, Velma! You don't have to own a Mystery Machine to know that the government F@CK$ UP EVERYTHING IS DOES."
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This is exactly what we've been hearing since "ronnie the rat" raygun announced his WAR on government, and then the GOP has proven that to be correct every time they get into office, through lack of regulation, lack of accountability, and lack of oversight which gave us the bush/cheney Great Recession of 2007-2009.

Even with the huge increases in the military/industrial complex, seems without a good strategy for endless PNAC neoCON WARmongering, we just funded a select group of WAR PROFITEERS instead of moving our nation forward in the 21st century!
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by natdef_1 November 1, 2009 10:09 AM EST
Doc, your comments are predictably BORING. You and BeckieBest should spend more time together, since you both seem to enjoy repeating your vapid and banal rants about the PAST...
by doc_holliday76 November 1, 2009 9:20 AM EST
by natdef_1:
"Wow -- this is some of the most delusional misanthropic cr@p I've ever heard."
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Nah....quite the contrary, since it is YOU and your ilk spewing the same relentless attacks labeling PEOPLE as "commies" and "marxists" because they object to our corporatocracy being run by corporate America.

Seems as if YOU need a dictionary and some real education to understand exactly what a misanthrope is, along with your other slurs.
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by natdef_1 November 1, 2009 10:16 AM EST
DOC, based on what you espouse, one would think you would take "Communist" or "Marxist" as a complement.

It's funny too, because the word "misanthrope" didn't come to mind in response to you, but...if the shoe fits...
by gboyd41 November 1, 2009 6:32 AM EST
Good luck finding decent health care under the Democrats plan. God help us all.
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by lasvegastea1 November 1, 2009 5:10 AM EST
Good job Madame Speaker,

Keep up the good work!
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by natdef_1 October 31, 2009 2:45 PM EDT
by doc_holliday76 October 31, 2009 10:17 AM EDT
by amermam1:
"Never forget: The Rich get richer."
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Exactly why the moronic teabaggers were venting their frustrations in the wrong direction, misguided by the multi-millionaires at the foxnewsus propagandus network, and carrying more water for the for-profit health care industry and their continued record profits and control of the entire system. It's corporate America that owns the lobbyists trying to keep the status quo, and the for-profit insurance industry has been spending $1.4 Million per day to confuse the issue.
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by natdef_1 October 31, 2009 2:43 PM EDT

Couple of Commies? Bemoaning a profit motive? Are you even Americans?

Since when did it become bad to make money in this country???

I suppose you liked the USSR model? "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need?" That worked really well.

Without a profit motive, innovation dies, society stagnates, progress halts. I guess that's what you two are advocating. Nice work!
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by natdef_1 October 31, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
by doc_holliday76 October 31, 2009 9:38 AM EDT
by troopf4:
"So, we'll have a country of nothing but Government run hospitals and Medical Clinics."
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WRONG! Even under Canadian health care, the hospitals are still privately owned and not "government-run." This legislation does not take away any of your "freedoms" as the foxnewsus propagandus FEARmongering has wrongly stated, and neither the hospitals, clinics or doctors will be "government-run," but operating seperately!



DOC -- why don't you try READING some of the 1990-page Pelosi monstrosity. If you do, you will SEE that it does IN FACT TAKE AWAY OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT FROM GOVERNMENT CONTROL OVER OUT LIVES.

The bill MANDATES that every person PURCHASE health insurance JUST FOR BEING ALIVE, or be TAXED!!! Never before in history has the US Government forced citizens to purchase something JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE ALIVE!

It TAXES BUSINESSES that don't comply with the government's mandates.

It TAXES INDIVIDUALS who have succeeded in their business, taking 5.4% of their "excess wealth" to "spread the wealth" around to the masses (I guess you think that's perfectly fair, since the top 1% of earners are ONLY PAYING 40% of the ENTIRE TAX BURDEN anyway).

If you don't think this is a destruction of American FREEDOM, you must be too drunk on the Kool-Ade to be thinking clearly!
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by doc_holliday76 October 31, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
by sabniz:
"It's better than nothing of course, but something is missing from the reform..."
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Actually, many things are missing from this weak reform bill, since they should have addressed the $800 Billion in waste, fraud and abuse that would have cut the $2.5 Trillion per year health care spending by a full one-third!

Healthcare system wastes up to $800 billion a year

"The good news is that by attacking waste we can reduce healthcare costs without adversely affecting the quality of care or access to care."

"It is waste when caregivers duplicate tests because results recorded in a patient's record with one provider are not available to another or when medical staff provides inappropriate treatment because relevant history of previous treatment cannot be accessed," the report reads.

Some other findings in the report from Thomson Reuters, the parent company of Reuters:
* Unnecessary care such as the overuse of antibiotics and lab tests to protect against malpractice exposure makes up 37 percent of healthcare waste or $200 to $300 billion a year.
* Fraud makes up 22 percent of healthcare waste, or up to $200 billion a year in fraudulent Medicare claims, kickbacks for referrals for unnecessary services and other scams.
* Administrative inefficiency and redundant paperwork account for 18 percent of healthcare waste.
* Medical mistakes account for $50 billion to $100 billion in unnecessary spending each year, or 11 percent of the total.
* Preventable conditions such as uncontrolled diabetes cost $30 billion to $50 billion a year.
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by velma179 October 31, 2009 10:30 AM EDT
doc...

The legislation DOES address the waste and fraud... it just isn't something that can be called "government takeover" or "socialism" and be yelled , screamed and lied about, so it doesn't get a lot of press.

Of course, this ALSO will cost money (the 800 billion to 1.5 trillion over ten years we keep hearing about includes this spending)... at first in implementation and then in oversight. We can only HOPE it is a "spend money to make money" type of cost.
by natdef_1 October 31, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
THIS REPORT REFLECTS THE REAL WORLD, WITH REAL PEOPLE. IT WILL NEVER BE YOUR "PERFECT WORLD" WHERE NO ONE EVER MAKES A MISTAKE AND WHERE THERE IS 100% EFFICIENCY.

WHEN YOU PUT THE GOVERNMENT IN CHARGE, WASTE, FRAUD, AND ABUSE WILL TRIPLE!!!
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