An Inside Look at H1N1 Vaccine Production

60 Minutes Visits the Only H1N1 Production Line in the U.S.; Plus, Find Out Where to Get Flu Shots

(CBS)  At least some concern stems from a massive federal vaccine program back in 1976, which is seen today as a failure.

"What was the problem in 1976?" Pelley asked Bruce Gellin.

"Forty million doses of vaccines were given. And about 400 people developed something called 'Guillain-Barre Syndrome,' which is a paralysis which starts at your toes and can work its way up where your nervous system is affected. And some people died from that," he explained.

"Four hundred people out of 40 million came down with Guillain-Barre Syndrome?" Pelley asked. "How do you know the same thing's not gonna happen now?"

"Well, we have looked at this over time and we've looked, year to year and not seen Guillain-Barre," Gellin said.

"We don't really know what went wrong with the vaccine in 1976? That's not well understood?" Pelley asked.

"That's right. It's not well understood," Gellin said.

"But what you do know is it never happened again?" Pelley asked.

"It's never happened again," Gellin replied.

"What would you say to someone who would argue, "Look, I've got a 99 percent chance of just having mild flu symptoms. Why should I take a chance on a vaccine?'" Pelley asked Michael Osterholm.

"You know, if you use that logic, we'd never, ever tell anybody to use a seatbelt," he replied.

"And if there's a movement in this to not take the vaccine, where does that leave us?" Pelley asked.

"A lot more dead people," Osterholm said.

We called the deans of the top ten schools of public health in America. All of them endorsed the vaccine.

Bruce Gellin, the director of the national vaccine program, is monitoring reports of side effects.

So far, after three weeks, he has received fewer than 200 reports, mostly about muscle aches, stomach aches and sore arms.

Asked if they have found any serious side effects related to the vaccine, Gellin told Pelley, "We're looking hard and we haven't seen anything like that yet."

"Nothing yet? Out of ten million doses?" Pelley asked.

"Out of 10 million doses," Gellin said.

Back in Luke Duvall's county in Arkansas, the supply was so short they gave vaccine just to those at highest risk. State officials think supply will catch up in about three weeks.

Luke, the running back who set a state weightlifting record, will be many more months in therapy.

"Monday this past week he could not move his own feet in bed, and today he's able to swing his feet off the bed and he's walking down the hall," his father Chad said. "So we have great expectation that very soon he'll be eating, drinking, dressing, leaving this place and going home with a normal life."

[drgglow]

I'm interested in why apbt55 cut and pasted his/her statement so many times?
I am very passionate about this subject, have been spending endless hours researching THE FACTS, and really cannot find any instance in which a "cut and paste" is a sufficient response, due to the huge variety of questions and points that are posted......perhaps that is the "standard response" that is supposed to be given by whatever company this person is employed by?????????
Which is kind of sad.........I am motivated by my education and responsibility to the degree which I have earned.......regardless of whether I end up being right or wrong.......

[MrMagooJam]

momagainstmercury


I have read a number of your comments and they are very good. You hold own against anyone including #55 and anyone like him. Mercury poisoning is a subject that is very personal to you, and my heart goes out to all the families touched by this. Get mad, but keep it focused on exposing the lies. The world needs more like you to become active thinkers. I will check in now and then, but you do not need any help from me for you know what you are dealing with... the poison pen of the drug industry and I can assure you it goes far beyond their lack of caring about mercury in their inoculations.

Do not let them, or him get away with writing things that you know are wrong. It appears that most are played out on this board and have moved on, even him. There are those like him that are out there trying to sidetrack those that are not conforming to the drug industries spin. One such person tried to do the same thing where I am a guest blogger and he was not allowed to return. I will continue to keep a watchful eye out for anyone that is attacking for the sake of attacking. It is a dead giveaway that they work for or have worked for the industry and have been brain-washed? bought and paid for. I was there and did that, but could not knowingly continue doing things I knew were wrong.

I actually took early retirement and moved closer to our daughter, so we could help out with our special needs grandchildren. My daughter had a science background and priviously taught special needs children, before our granddaughter came down with Autism. It is like everything our daubhter did in life prepared her for this special challenge. By moving away from mainstream medicine towards alternative treatment from the get go, our granddaughter is now in a regular 2nd grade class and is considered high functioning with high testing in all subjects. She is outgoing and very personable, however she still has melt downs, especially when you suddenly change things on her. Tell what your going to do and she usually can handle it. I have a tendency to ramble on, so i'll end by saying,


God bless you and keep you and all of yours well and safe.

Joe JAM

[drgglow]

stay strong! we need more like you out there!
GH

[momagainstmercury]

Thanks so much Joe JAM!!! I sure do appreciate the time and thought you put into this, and to replying to my posts. It is all truly sad...I have written our local paper for the past two years, trying to get my flu shots/mercury letter to the Public Pulse published to no avail. And everything in it was facts about mercury that cannot be denied. Did your granddaughter come down with autism after her shots? My heart goes out to your family...that is a cause I care deeply about. Incredible about your daughter and her background preparing her for this...
Glad you have sought out alternative healing and your granddaughter is doing well!! That is so wonderful to hear. My son hasn't had any shots since he was two months...he is now 4 1/2. I have also avoided antibiotics every time the doc writes a script....by simply visiting a holistic doc and following homeopathic remedies instead or doing it on my own through the help of a healthstore and mother nature's medicine cabinet. If only this world wasn't run by the drug companies... we would have a much healthier country. I don't know if you're on Facebook, but Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines is a great resource.... or you can google Dr. Tenpenny to get to her site. A ton of great info!!!

God bless you and your family... and thank you again for doing all that you are!!!
Kathy

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 Part 3

YOU CAN?T PLAY HIS GAME HE IS USING A STACKED DECK!

VITAMIN D IS A GREAT DEFENSE AGAINST COLD AND FLU.

THE FDA WOULD NEVER AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE MAKING COMPANIES TAKE THAT TYPE OF STATEMENT OFF THE INTERNET.

It is amazes me how you, apbt55 can so easily say that?Vitamin D only works if you have a deficiency, read the literature? Does he think he can get away with saying something like that and believe that no one has taken the time to do the research?

Folks you need to hear the whole story, for you will never hear it from a 55 year old genetic engineer working for the Drug Industry or from the Drug Industry, unless there is a profit to be made from it.
Vitamin D comes from the sun and in the Northern Hemisphere during the winter; we usually don?t get enough vitamin D from the sun. We can also get it from the whole foods we eat. However, here is another case were we are misdirected by their numbers they want us to use, and I believe for a good reason, they would rather see us sick and taking their drugs.

They have established guidelines for what is deficient and any thing below lower limit 32.0 ng/ml which is considered to be a threshold for optimal health. Hollis BW J Nutr. 2005 Feb; 135 (2):317-22.
THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FOR OPTIMAL HEALTH IS 32.0 TO 100.0. Now that is quite a difference. For example my Vitamin D, 25-hydroxy is at 38.5 and that means I am OK according to the lab report. No, that is not exactly true and they know it.

MY VITAMIN D SHOULD BE AROUND 65 NG/ML DURING THE FLU SEASON.

I would think everyone should be well above 50 if they want their immune system to work at optimal performance. 80 or even 100 is not too high, however here again you can see why the numbers without all of the facts can lead you to accept apbe55 sly remarks. Even the doctors don?t know this for they use the guideline reference interval and look especially for what is flagged and no flags appear for anything above 32.0, so my doctor told me my vitamin D was good. Wrong, but not the doctors fault, it was the industry that set the standards.

I take a total of 4000 IU of vitamin D3 daily during the flu season. I also take 1500 mg of Vitamin C with bioflavonoids, because C and bioflavonoids work together synergistically and without the two together Vitamin C studies don?t show any significant results.
You can?t make a point with apbt55; for he represents and is proof of everything that is wrong with the drug industry. They use every half truth that they can concoct to make you believe they use science and medicine, in your best interest. I truly wish that was the case. Unfortunately most all we have is the information supplied to us that is being controlled by the drug industry, may it come through the media, government and its agencies, institutions for study and research, or directly from the drug companies.

The only reason I spend my efforts on this is not to try and change this one person for that is impossible, only he can change himself, but hopefully others are reading this and they will help change the system that he represents. There are ways to stop the drug industry malfeasants by stopping the use of their drugs that we know can cause us harm. We can contact our representatives and get the word out through the internet that we have had enough and want to take back our freedom of choice they are trying to take away from us.

[momagainstmercury]

MrMagooJam I am so thankful for people like you out there... not too many independent thinkers in this country. Dr Boyd Haley came to my town and I got to see him present... video and slides of what the mercury does to the brain cells... and I too heard him speak about the combination of mercury and aluminum... and he said even the so-called "thimerosal-free" vaccines still had traces and were dangerous.
Thank you for all the time, thought and effort for fighting the good fight...we need as many people as possible out there who understand what is going on and who are willing to speak out against the brainwashing that has been going on in this country for so long.

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 Part 2
Typical course of an autistic patient--dr fudenberg

"According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it was due to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and most childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple? Notes: Recorded from Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission. Alzheimer's to quadruple statement is from John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov 1998."--Ted Koren DC

At least three major studies have found thimerosal injections to be associated with developmental disabilities including autism. Two researchers at Stony Brook medical school found that male infants injected with thimerosal via hepatitis B vaccinations (a) were nine times as likely to be enrolled in special education services, and (b) were three times as likely to have autism -- when compared with male infants who had not been so vaccinated. Importantly, these findings are consistent with the original CDC study (Verstraeten et al 1999) wherein early live thimerosal injections were associated with autism, PDD, language problems, sleep disorders, and tics.

Read the post made by G. Hamilton, MD from Wisconsin. It appears that there are still a number of doctors that have not been brain washed by the drug industry. Doctors are like the rest of us and can also get caught up in the media hype and enticed to jump on a wagon. I?m not opposed to the drug industry making a profit, just opposed to bad medicine and bad science, which they manufacture.

There is a real concern when someone like you labels a different point of view on this as a conspiracy theory and then parrots the unsubstantiated idea being pushed at us that flu shots are good preventive medicine.

THE TRUTH IS? THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC FACT OR IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE FROM CLINICAL TRIALS AND TESTS THAT FLU SHOTS ARE EFFECTIVE.

I don?t say there were not any studies that try to make that conclusion, but reviews have proven otherwise. Multiple studies published in highly reputable publications have documented that flu shots are ineffective in all ages. For example, The Cochrane Collaboration produced a series of articles in 2005 reviewing the published literature and determined the ineffectiveness of the flu shot. Two years ago a study in the British Medical Journal concluded that the effectiveness of annual flu shots has been exaggerated, and that in reality they have little or no effect on influenza campaign objectives, including reducing the number of hospital stays, time off work, and death from influenza and its complications. A study published in the Lancet several months ago found that influenza vaccination was not associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people.

In a review of 51 studies involving more than 260,000 children, including 17 papers translated from Russian, researchers concluded that there was ?No evidence that injecting children 6-23 months of age with flu vaccines is any more effective than placebo.?

For healthy adults, the results were similar. A total of 25 studies were reviewed that included more than 60,000 study participants. Again, The Cochrane Group found that vaccination reduced risk of influenza by a meager 6% and reduced the number of days missed from work by less than one (0.16) day. Researchers concluded, ?Universal immunization of healthy adults was not supported by the results of this review.?

For the elderly population, the prime target group for flu shots, The Cochrane Group reviewed 64 studies and chided that, ?The runaway 100% effectiveness touted by proponents [of the flu shot] for the elderly was nowhere to be seen. What you see is that marketing rules the response to influenza, and scientific evidence comes fourth or fifth.?

The number of flu deaths quoted to us are alarming, but here again if you do the research those numbers just don?t add up! Everyone should stop worrying about this flu and make a decision to do what rights for them.

I AGAIN WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS OF TWO 2000 IU OF VITAMIN D3; AND THREE 500 MG OF VITAMIN WITH BIOFLAVINOIDS DAILY, EVEN IF YOU GET THE FLU INOCULATIONS. IT MAY JUST HELP YOU AGAINST SOME OF THE HARM THAT THE ACTUAL FLU SHOT MAY CAUSE IN THE LONG RUN AS WELL AS PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING A SERIOUS CASE OF THE FLU.

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 Part 1

YOU ARE NOT IN THE SAME GAME WITH ME AND NEVER WILL BE!

ANYONE WHO PLAYS BY YOUR HOUSE RULES WOULD HAVE TO BE BRAIN DEAD by all of that mercury that you claim you eat. I do not knowingly gamble with someone that uses a stack deck of cards, designed and made by the drug industry, packaged by the government (CDC, FDA, & WHO); using their own new legal rules under a phony national emergency; that is being dealt out by a controlled media. The majority of Americans accept what they are being told, because it is exactly how the brain works and you and your your boss knows that. People resist cognitive dissonance; because it is easier to go along with letting someone else take care of the problem for them. They trust the drugs to make them better and keep them safe from harm. They want to believe inthe drug industry that has waged a skillful campaign that has gotten many on the band wagon.

THERE IS ONE MAJOR PROBLEM TO THIS PHONY PANDEMIC AND IT IS THE INTERNET WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST LEARNING TO CONNECT THE DOTS.

THE DRUG INDUSTRY SOLUTION:

GET CONTROL OF THE INTERNET THROUH NEW LAWS.

DURING THE INTERIM THEY HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT THEY CAN CONTROL AND OR ALSO BLINDLY BELIEVE.

It seems to come down to, as you have said, blaming someone or something as you do? so YOU BLAME IT ON GENETICS. Your industry has even brain washed the doctors to believe that it is not so much the food and drugs as it is genetics. I eat all natural things, but not 10 cans of tuna fish a week. (Something smells a little fishy here to me) I eat 80% raw vegetables, fruits, and nuts. I exercise daily at the gym, my body mass ratio is where it should be, but if my cholesterol and triglycerides are not in the right proportions or do not match the newly created guidelines... the 1st thing the doctor says is it must be in your genes, and I will have to put you on medication. Does the drug industry ever tell anyone it could be the liver that is not functioning correctly? No, there is no money in that game, so they can?t play. The liver puts out 80% of all cholesterol in the body, at best we only take in 20% .

Yea, your genome mapping really came up with all the answers?not. You are part of the problem and you are partly responsible for the mess the drug industry is in and the reason why we are all paying the price for the mess you help create.

A few years back many of the drug industry money making patents were running out and they were looking for new drugs that would come as a result of your human genome mapping. It just wasn?t there and since then they have realized that there is a lot more to it. So, what to do? No great new drug discoveries from your map that they were expecting to make money off of; so, why not create an artificial need for something, which can be taken often enough to keep their coffers filled and that can also provide a reason for additional ancillary drugs to increase profits. They not only did just that, but they got the government, its agencies, its laws, and the media to do what they could not do. Through grants, and influential foundations they have used this funding to literally control most research and their results. They have controlled the media to get dangerous drugs advertised and supported by so called experts like you who only use their deck of cards. You actually want us to think that we can get a square deal from this stacked deck?

There is independent research and reporting going on that is not being totally controlled by the industry and every once in a while like in one such case from CBS they tell the facts. However, the research is not followed up on and the reports are stopped. In some cases the media actually do other stories that never asks the hard questions and that is exactly what happen here on 60 minutes.

You asked for proof of mercury poisoning, and quickly ignore all that I and others have said about the danger of mercury. You seem to tout the fact that you ingest a lot of mercury and it is safe, how foolish and we should take you seriously?

It is not just vaccine mercury.

MERCURY POISON WORKS BETTER IN COMBINATION WITH ALUMINUM.

Boyd E. Haley, Ph.D., is Professor Emeritus of chemistry and has published important studies about mercury reported, ?in our studies on neurons in culture we found that aluminum at levels found in vaccines dramatically enhanced the toxicity of thimerosal and mercury action thereby decreasing the level of mercury required to have the toxic effects.?

Dr Fudenberg
http://www.nitrf.org
NAAR should know that I was on the WHO immunology panel for 20 years and continually urged discontinuation of thimersol in vaccines. The only ones who listened were the Scandinavian countries (esp. Finland, where I hold an honorary Ph.D.). Those countries banned thimersol in 1992.-----H. Hugh Fudenberg, M.D.

[drgglow]

Hmmmmm....if the government is so concerned about the health of the American people, why would we go completely nuts over a mild flu virus, from which 99% of people would suffer no ill effects, and not ban smoking and cigarettes, which causes way more morbidity and mortality to even those who don't smoke?

Answer: Lots of money to be had from tobacco companies to not ban smoking and lots of money from drug manufacturers to create panic over something ridiculous.

Read the statistics of efficacy of the regular flu vaccine in the manufacturer's insert - MAYBE 25 to 50% in completely immunocompetent people, close to zero in anyone immunocompromised (elderly, young children, anyone sick). Look at the rate of transmission of virus from the live flu vaccines - something like 3%. Look at the rate of flu symptoms following vaccination - something like 7 to 10%.
Multidose vials contain mercury. Estimated 25mcg per dose (adult and pediatric). EPA states that maximum daily consumption should not exceed 1mcg per kg. So a roughly 20 pound child (average 18month old perhaps) will get 2.5X the amount of mercury deemed safe in one shot. Just one. Mercury is not excreted. It is stored. Pregnant women are told not to eat fish containing much less mercury than they would get in one flu shot. That doesn't make sense to me.

Now where is the publicity about all of these very real dangers to the American public? Where is the publicity about the efficacy of Vitamin D in preventing or minimizing the symptoms of influenza infection?
Answer: There isn't any. Why? No money honey!

G. Hamilton, MD
Wisconsin

[apbt55]

Vitamin D only works if you have a deficiency, read the literature,

as for effectiveness this is right from CDC for professionals, if you are an MD you should have read this.

http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/PROFESSIONALS/VACCINATION/effectivenessqa.htm

Overall, in years when the vaccine and circulating viruses are well-matched, influenza vaccines can be expected to reduce laboratory-confirmed influenza by approximately 70% to 90% in healthy adults <65 years of age. Several studies have also found reductions in febrile illness, influenza-related work absenteeism, antibiotic use, and doctor visits.


previously posted,


Ok slow your roll, a lot of these statements are based on one great peice of misinformation, the highest dose of mercury, that is a fallacy. we will site your version EPA RfD and clarify something, that is 0.001mg/Kg/day (or 1microg/Kg/day)that is per day, left out one important peice there. A second important peice becomes the definition of RfD versus NOAEL versus LOAEL when what you are using for your argument in this instance should really be the LOAEL again a dose used everyday for 1 year. Since we aren't vaccinating every day for year that cuts into your argument substantiably especially considering the LOAEL is 1.9mg/Kg/day (that is milligrams not micrograms, 25microg/dose of flu containing thimerosal)

So lets say for arguments sake we use the NOAEL (No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level) which is 230 microgram/Kg/day, from studies using 5 days consumption a week for 6 months. you could get a shot five days a week and still be under that level. Heck 150lb person can get 626 shots five days a week for 6 months and still be under the No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level.

for the EPA and limits reference:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/exposure.htm
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/efork2/oak_p1.html

[apbt55]

MrMagooJam:
momagainstmercury :

Ok so you are biased, that is why you are using misinformation and partial truths to make claims, then when I point them out to you I get back basically

"YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE YOU ARE USING SCIENCE AND STATISTICS TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT"

When loking at these vaccines I think to myself would this be safe for my children. And use that as my standard in evaluating the data presented.

It is the culture of America to need to blame someone or something even when it is just ourselves, I am sorry for your grandchildren, but people aren't perfect and can be born with abnormal genetics that predispose them to lots of disorders. So if that is how you feel the go ahead, but don't blatantly lie to people to try to sway their opinion. I am after all as you put merely presenting useless facts.

I am calling you out to support these statements agianst the actual content of thimerosal in some vaccines and your claims to the detrimental levels, I have given you actual EPA.gov site and the real limits and their confirmational test.

You can't because you are using essestially falsified data. You say have useless facts, isn't that the purpose of facts to support a claim. So you are essentially saying everything you have written here is heresay or worse, purposefully manipulated half truths to try and push your agenda. There is no sense swaying you, I am merely presenting the actual data you are using incorrectly and falsifying for others to see the truth and make their own decisions.

I am done trying to combat your illogical ranting.

[MrMagooJam]

apbt5.

I never said you would be dead from eating mercury or fish. I did say MERCURY KILLS BRAIN CELLS, and of course you will find something to try and prove that is also wrong. The mercury and the studies need to be applied to children in the developing brain, unless you are a child taking those kinds of doses and if you are, than that would explain some of your comments. This is not a subject I wanted to get into, but I was appalled at you attacking the victims of bad medicine with bad science. Almost all of the studies and evidence has been screwed with by the Pharmaceutical Industry, and you should know that without me telling you. I have two autistic grandchildren and know the dramatic change that came over the youngest after her inoculations. That does not prove it was the inoculations, but similar situations make it paramount that the proper research is done, and not by the drug companies or universities that they can manipulate or by their flunkies in a government agency.

Everyone should be made aware that:
YOU ONLY QUOTE INFORMATION BASED ON AND ONLY IN FAVOR OF THE INDUSTRY YOU WORK(ED) FOR WHILE IGNORING THE REST.

It is obvious that on the inoculation issue you HAVE TRIED TO BURY THE TRUTH WITH PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC LANGUAGE AND STATISTICS. NOT ALL OF US HAD BEEN BOUGHT AND PAID FOR and a few actually understand what you are trying to do. Some of us have challenged or left the industry, because of a conscious awareness of what is really happening.

I am also familiar with the Green Monkey patents on growing viruses in organs and who owns and is using those patents, and where they are operating. I do not blame you for not talking about that subject publicly. I no longer consider myself an expert, since I have not been published in the past four years accepts for a self-published book. I am now just a? 67 year old informed citizen, who does Tai Chi forms with a deep interest in helping people, not making a pay check, and not actually doing martial arts like you. Yes, you some may consider you a scary type of person armed with the type of information that can put in the category of helping to maintain the status Quo.

I have noticed you have tried to belittle those that post on the internet or research on the internet. It is the only place that you can get information that is not controlled, right or wrong it is the only place and now the government is again trying to take that away. You must also feel that taking away that freedom would be a good thing, since you are only interested in putting down anyone with a different point of view from the drug companies. You must be a good fit.

I AGAIN URGE EVERYONE TO HELP PROTECT OUR FREEDOM THAT IS METHODICALLY BEING TAKEN AWAY BY THE DRUG INDUSTRY THROUGH CONTROLLING THE MEDIA, OUR GOVERNMENT, ITS AGENCIES, AND THE MISUSE OF OUR LAWS.

[momagainstmercury]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. YOU know what you are talking about and you are not the only one who sees what some of the people on this board are doing!! You are right -- our biggest danger now is losing the internet, the only place we can find truth in a world that seems to be owned by Big Pharma.

[apbt55]

Ok so you are biased, that is why you are using misinformation and partial truths to make claims, then when I point them out to you I get back basically

"YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE YOU ARE USING SCIENCE AND STATISTICS TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT"

When loking at these vaccines I think to myself would this be safe for my children. And use that as my standard.

It is the culture of America to need to blame someone or something. So if that is how you feel the go ahead, but don't blatantly lie to people to try to sway their opinion.

I am done trying to combat your illogical ranting.

[cva1328]

Dear Scott, I enjoyed your piece,but wastaken back about only 400 people acquired GBS (Guillian-Barre Syndrome) The Dr didn't even mention all of us who have contracted CIDP, another rare neurological illness. The gov't is only willing to admit to 400 cases becauses of liability. I have`sufered for nearly 30 years with CIDP and now I must use an electric wheelchair to get around. The illness, according to my neurologist, was from the flu shot of 1976. My symptoms were not readily seen for some time after that. What I am saying is that people should be aware of these possibilities and the gov't take more accountabilty to monitor those who have rec'd the shot for a longer period. I have chronicled my struggle w/CIDP in a book. It is no picnic and neitherr I or my family will get the shot. C. Alleva

[momagainstmercury]

13. So you consider all the chemicals in the environment to potentially be a cause, but it certainly also couldn't be the chemical concoctions in the vaccines that we're shooting directly into their bloodstreams? Are you kidding me? You think injecting children with vaccines year after year after year in the 90s when each one had 25mcg of mercury.... you don't think that could have played a part?
YES, the chemicals in the environment can play a part..... BUT SO CAN THE VACCINES! Again, exactly why our government tried to insert a secret rider into the Homeland Security Act to protect Eli Lilly from thimerosal related lawsuits. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, there HAS BEEN A COURT CASE WHERE THEY RULED THAT THE CHILD DEVELOPED AUTISM DUE TO THE VACCINE. Do your homework.

14. There are all kinds of published medical journals that show side effects from vaccines much more severe than the "redness" in the arm we're told about. And you don't think Big Pharma is making massive profits from these vaccines?

"The vaccine market is booming. It's an enormous growth area for pharmaceuticals at a time when other areas are not doing so well," Bruce Carlson, a spokesperson for the market research firm Kalorama, told ABC News.

On October 1, 2009, under the headline, "Vical shares soar on Navy's H1N1 contract," Fierce Vaccines advised that: "Anyone doubting just how hot H1N1 news is right now should check out Vical's stock price this morning."

"The developer announced a modest $1.3 million contract with the Navy to fund the manufacturing and testing of itsswine flu vaccine and the company's stock shot up 22 percent," the report said.

From NaturalNews.com website: http://www.naturalnews.com/027294_swine_flu_vaccines_H1N1.html

15. Sorry Mr. "informed scientist"...but nothing you said impressed me. There ARE BIG STORIES HERE. But unforunately our pharma-controlled media is not going to touch the real stories.

p.s. Why don't you check out Jon Rappaport's interview with a former vaccine maker.... this person worked in the lab and revealed the dangers of vaccines and what makes their way into vaccines in the processing.... and why he will never give his own children a vaccine after what he has seen. http://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/rappaport.htm

[apbt55]

Ok slow your roll, a lot of these statements are based on one great peice of misinformation, the highest dose of mercury, that is a fallacy. we will site your version EPA RfD and clarify something, that is 0.001mg/Kg/day (or 1microg/Kg/day)that is per day, left out one important peice there. A second important peice becomes the definition of RfD versus NOAEL versus LOAEL when what you are using for your argument in this instance should really be the LOAEL again a dose used everyday for 1 year. Since we aren't vaccinating every day for year that cuts into your argument substantiably especially considering the LOAEL is 1.9mg/Kg/day (that is milligrams not micrograms, 25microg/dose of flu containing thimerosal)

So lets say for arguments sake we use the NOAEL (No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level) which is 230 microgram/Kg/day, from studies using 5 days consumption a week for 6 months. you could get a shot five days a week and still be under that level. Heck 150lb person can get 626 shots five days a week for 6 months and still be under the No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level.

The reference you site in the prologue:
[Gosselin, R.E., R.P. Smith, H.C. Hodge. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 5th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1984.III-267]**PEER REVIEWED**

Is also misleading because they do not go on to clarify this is excessive amounts, in excess of 1.9mg/Kg/day everyday for 1 yr, that is the data they are referencing.

And also to clarify, thimerosal is not an adjuvant, the adjuvant in MF-59 is squalene derivative oil in water adjuvant. Thimerosal is a preservative, stops the growth of microbes in the multidose vials, it is a requirement of mutlidose vials by most countries regulatory bodies.

for the EPA and limits reference:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/exposure.htm
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/efork2/oak_p1.html