An Inside Look at H1N1 Vaccine Production

60 Minutes Visits the Only H1N1 Production Line in the U.S.; Plus, Find Out Where to Get Flu Shots

(CBS)  Friday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the H1N1 virus is widespread in 48 states. Last weekend, the president declared a national emergency. A new vaccine is supposed to save the country from the worst-case scenario. But that vaccine isn't coming as fast as expected and there's lots of skepticism. Should you get it? Can you get it? Is it safe?

To find some answers, 60 Minutes correspondent Scott Pelley went inside the federal government's $3 billion H1N1 vaccine project. This is the first time the public has seen where and how the vaccine is made.

It's true that for 99 percent of the people who get H1N1, it is just the flu - a few miserable days at home. But health officials warn that those who don't get vaccinated take a chance they'll end up like 15-year-old Luke Duvall, who we met in our first report on the virus two weeks ago.

Flu.gov: Where To Get Your Flu Shots
CDC: Learn More About H1N1
CDC: What To Do If You Get Sick
CBSNews.com: H1N1 Parents' Guide

In mid-October, Luke Duvall was in a fight for his life against H1N1. Pelley met him and his parents, Chad and Belinda, at Arkansas Children's Hospital in Little Rock.

Luke was breathing only with the help of a ventilator. He would be on the machine 17 days.

Nearly three weeks later, Luke was off the ventilator and in physical therapy. He is still being fed through a tube in his nose and he has a long way to go to get his strength back, but he has beaten H1N1.

"Well, the only way I can describe it to somebody who hadn't gone through it was its almost like somebody hit me with a cannonball in the chest," he said.

Luke's harrowing struggle wasn't lost on his neighbors. Before dawn Friday, people who had been praying for their local football star were lining up for vaccine. But supplies were scarce; Arkansas says it is short about a million doses.

We went to a mall in Manassas, Va., where after three hours they vaccinated 550 people, ran out of vaccine, and turned 350 away.

Last summer, the government said there would be 120 million doses of vaccine by fall; weeks later, it revised that to 40 million. Now, just over 17 million have shipped - 14 percent of the first estimate.

Experts agree the government decoded the virus to prepare a vaccine in record time, a real achievement. But then the project hit snags.

The vaccine took longer than expected to produce, and there were shortages of supplies, like the sprayer for the FluMist version.

The H1N1 vaccine is being produced in a sprawling, $250 million facility in Swiftwater, Pa. Like other vaccines, the H1N1 virus is grown in chicken eggs, in an updated version of a process that has been around since World War II.

"Viruses are unique in that they require a living host to propagate. And the egg provides essentially a small, self-contained, sterile factory for the production of the vaccine," Sam Lee, director of manufacturing technology at French drug company Sanofi Pasteur, explained.

The plant has to be as clean as a hospital operating room. Pelley and the "60 Minutes" team put on clean suits and hairnets and passed through airlocks to reach the production line.

Five companies are making vaccine, but this is the only one in America.

"I see all these needles going into the top of the egg. Is that the virus going into the egg itself?" Pelley asked, observing the production process.

"There's the needle that comes down," Lee said. "The virus is then introduced directly to the egg. The eggs exit the machine. And are loaded onto carts. These carts are then wheeled into incubators, where they're environmentally controlled for temperature and humidity."

The virus grows in the eggs; later it is killed and refined into vaccine. The process takes three months. Most of that is testing for safety and sterility. Sanofi Pasteur has a federal contract to make 75 million doses. They will go through millions of eggs.

Asked if the farms producing the eggs are near the vaccine plant, Lee told Pelley, "Because of security reasons, I'm not at liberty to share specific, exact locations."

"These are secret egg farms?" Pelley asked.

"We don't want to reveal the location for security reasons," Lee said.

[drgglow]

I'm interested in why apbt55 cut and pasted his/her statement so many times?
I am very passionate about this subject, have been spending endless hours researching THE FACTS, and really cannot find any instance in which a "cut and paste" is a sufficient response, due to the huge variety of questions and points that are posted......perhaps that is the "standard response" that is supposed to be given by whatever company this person is employed by?????????
Which is kind of sad.........I am motivated by my education and responsibility to the degree which I have earned.......regardless of whether I end up being right or wrong.......

[MrMagooJam]

momagainstmercury


I have read a number of your comments and they are very good. You hold own against anyone including #55 and anyone like him. Mercury poisoning is a subject that is very personal to you, and my heart goes out to all the families touched by this. Get mad, but keep it focused on exposing the lies. The world needs more like you to become active thinkers. I will check in now and then, but you do not need any help from me for you know what you are dealing with... the poison pen of the drug industry and I can assure you it goes far beyond their lack of caring about mercury in their inoculations.

Do not let them, or him get away with writing things that you know are wrong. It appears that most are played out on this board and have moved on, even him. There are those like him that are out there trying to sidetrack those that are not conforming to the drug industries spin. One such person tried to do the same thing where I am a guest blogger and he was not allowed to return. I will continue to keep a watchful eye out for anyone that is attacking for the sake of attacking. It is a dead giveaway that they work for or have worked for the industry and have been brain-washed? bought and paid for. I was there and did that, but could not knowingly continue doing things I knew were wrong.

I actually took early retirement and moved closer to our daughter, so we could help out with our special needs grandchildren. My daughter had a science background and priviously taught special needs children, before our granddaughter came down with Autism. It is like everything our daubhter did in life prepared her for this special challenge. By moving away from mainstream medicine towards alternative treatment from the get go, our granddaughter is now in a regular 2nd grade class and is considered high functioning with high testing in all subjects. She is outgoing and very personable, however she still has melt downs, especially when you suddenly change things on her. Tell what your going to do and she usually can handle it. I have a tendency to ramble on, so i'll end by saying,


God bless you and keep you and all of yours well and safe.

Joe JAM

[drgglow]

stay strong! we need more like you out there!
GH

[momagainstmercury]

Thanks so much Joe JAM!!! I sure do appreciate the time and thought you put into this, and to replying to my posts. It is all truly sad...I have written our local paper for the past two years, trying to get my flu shots/mercury letter to the Public Pulse published to no avail. And everything in it was facts about mercury that cannot be denied. Did your granddaughter come down with autism after her shots? My heart goes out to your family...that is a cause I care deeply about. Incredible about your daughter and her background preparing her for this...
Glad you have sought out alternative healing and your granddaughter is doing well!! That is so wonderful to hear. My son hasn't had any shots since he was two months...he is now 4 1/2. I have also avoided antibiotics every time the doc writes a script....by simply visiting a holistic doc and following homeopathic remedies instead or doing it on my own through the help of a healthstore and mother nature's medicine cabinet. If only this world wasn't run by the drug companies... we would have a much healthier country. I don't know if you're on Facebook, but Dr. Tenpenny on Vaccines is a great resource.... or you can google Dr. Tenpenny to get to her site. A ton of great info!!!

God bless you and your family... and thank you again for doing all that you are!!!
Kathy

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 Part 3

YOU CAN?T PLAY HIS GAME HE IS USING A STACKED DECK!

VITAMIN D IS A GREAT DEFENSE AGAINST COLD AND FLU.

THE FDA WOULD NEVER AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT AND THAT IS WHY THEY ARE MAKING COMPANIES TAKE THAT TYPE OF STATEMENT OFF THE INTERNET.

It is amazes me how you, apbt55 can so easily say that?Vitamin D only works if you have a deficiency, read the literature? Does he think he can get away with saying something like that and believe that no one has taken the time to do the research?

Folks you need to hear the whole story, for you will never hear it from a 55 year old genetic engineer working for the Drug Industry or from the Drug Industry, unless there is a profit to be made from it.
Vitamin D comes from the sun and in the Northern Hemisphere during the winter; we usually don?t get enough vitamin D from the sun. We can also get it from the whole foods we eat. However, here is another case were we are misdirected by their numbers they want us to use, and I believe for a good reason, they would rather see us sick and taking their drugs.

They have established guidelines for what is deficient and any thing below lower limit 32.0 ng/ml which is considered to be a threshold for optimal health. Hollis BW J Nutr. 2005 Feb; 135 (2):317-22.
THE ACTUAL NUMBERS FOR OPTIMAL HEALTH IS 32.0 TO 100.0. Now that is quite a difference. For example my Vitamin D, 25-hydroxy is at 38.5 and that means I am OK according to the lab report. No, that is not exactly true and they know it.

MY VITAMIN D SHOULD BE AROUND 65 NG/ML DURING THE FLU SEASON.

I would think everyone should be well above 50 if they want their immune system to work at optimal performance. 80 or even 100 is not too high, however here again you can see why the numbers without all of the facts can lead you to accept apbe55 sly remarks. Even the doctors don?t know this for they use the guideline reference interval and look especially for what is flagged and no flags appear for anything above 32.0, so my doctor told me my vitamin D was good. Wrong, but not the doctors fault, it was the industry that set the standards.

I take a total of 4000 IU of vitamin D3 daily during the flu season. I also take 1500 mg of Vitamin C with bioflavonoids, because C and bioflavonoids work together synergistically and without the two together Vitamin C studies don?t show any significant results.
You can?t make a point with apbt55; for he represents and is proof of everything that is wrong with the drug industry. They use every half truth that they can concoct to make you believe they use science and medicine, in your best interest. I truly wish that was the case. Unfortunately most all we have is the information supplied to us that is being controlled by the drug industry, may it come through the media, government and its agencies, institutions for study and research, or directly from the drug companies.

The only reason I spend my efforts on this is not to try and change this one person for that is impossible, only he can change himself, but hopefully others are reading this and they will help change the system that he represents. There are ways to stop the drug industry malfeasants by stopping the use of their drugs that we know can cause us harm. We can contact our representatives and get the word out through the internet that we have had enough and want to take back our freedom of choice they are trying to take away from us.

[momagainstmercury]

MrMagooJam I am so thankful for people like you out there... not too many independent thinkers in this country. Dr Boyd Haley came to my town and I got to see him present... video and slides of what the mercury does to the brain cells... and I too heard him speak about the combination of mercury and aluminum... and he said even the so-called "thimerosal-free" vaccines still had traces and were dangerous.
Thank you for all the time, thought and effort for fighting the good fight...we need as many people as possible out there who understand what is going on and who are willing to speak out against the brainwashing that has been going on in this country for so long.

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 Part 2
Typical course of an autistic patient--dr fudenberg

"According to Hugh Fudenberg, MD, the world's leading immunogeneticist and 13th most quoted biologist of our times (nearly 850 papers in peer review journals), if an individual has had five consecutive flu shots between 1970 and 1980 (the years studied) his/her chances of getting Alzheimer's Disease is ten times higher than if they had one, two or no shots. I asked Dr. Fudenberg why this was so and he said it was due to the mercury and aluminum that is in every flu shot (and most childhood shots). The gradual mercury and aluminum buildup in the brain causes cognitive dysfunction. Is that why Alzheimer's is expected to quadruple? Notes: Recorded from Dr. Fudenberg's speech at the NVIC International Vaccine Conference, Arlington, VA September, 1997. Quoted with permission. Alzheimer's to quadruple statement is from John's Hopkins Newsletter Nov 1998."--Ted Koren DC

At least three major studies have found thimerosal injections to be associated with developmental disabilities including autism. Two researchers at Stony Brook medical school found that male infants injected with thimerosal via hepatitis B vaccinations (a) were nine times as likely to be enrolled in special education services, and (b) were three times as likely to have autism -- when compared with male infants who had not been so vaccinated. Importantly, these findings are consistent with the original CDC study (Verstraeten et al 1999) wherein early live thimerosal injections were associated with autism, PDD, language problems, sleep disorders, and tics.

Read the post made by G. Hamilton, MD from Wisconsin. It appears that there are still a number of doctors that have not been brain washed by the drug industry. Doctors are like the rest of us and can also get caught up in the media hype and enticed to jump on a wagon. I?m not opposed to the drug industry making a profit, just opposed to bad medicine and bad science, which they manufacture.

There is a real concern when someone like you labels a different point of view on this as a conspiracy theory and then parrots the unsubstantiated idea being pushed at us that flu shots are good preventive medicine.

THE TRUTH IS? THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC FACT OR IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE FROM CLINICAL TRIALS AND TESTS THAT FLU SHOTS ARE EFFECTIVE.

I don?t say there were not any studies that try to make that conclusion, but reviews have proven otherwise. Multiple studies published in highly reputable publications have documented that flu shots are ineffective in all ages. For example, The Cochrane Collaboration produced a series of articles in 2005 reviewing the published literature and determined the ineffectiveness of the flu shot. Two years ago a study in the British Medical Journal concluded that the effectiveness of annual flu shots has been exaggerated, and that in reality they have little or no effect on influenza campaign objectives, including reducing the number of hospital stays, time off work, and death from influenza and its complications. A study published in the Lancet several months ago found that influenza vaccination was not associated with a reduced risk of pneumonia in older people.

In a review of 51 studies involving more than 260,000 children, including 17 papers translated from Russian, researchers concluded that there was ?No evidence that injecting children 6-23 months of age with flu vaccines is any more effective than placebo.?

For healthy adults, the results were similar. A total of 25 studies were reviewed that included more than 60,000 study participants. Again, The Cochrane Group found that vaccination reduced risk of influenza by a meager 6% and reduced the number of days missed from work by less than one (0.16) day. Researchers concluded, ?Universal immunization of healthy adults was not supported by the results of this review.?

For the elderly population, the prime target group for flu shots, The Cochrane Group reviewed 64 studies and chided that, ?The runaway 100% effectiveness touted by proponents [of the flu shot] for the elderly was nowhere to be seen. What you see is that marketing rules the response to influenza, and scientific evidence comes fourth or fifth.?

The number of flu deaths quoted to us are alarming, but here again if you do the research those numbers just don?t add up! Everyone should stop worrying about this flu and make a decision to do what rights for them.

I AGAIN WOULD URGE EVERYONE TO TAKE SUPPLEMENTS OF TWO 2000 IU OF VITAMIN D3; AND THREE 500 MG OF VITAMIN WITH BIOFLAVINOIDS DAILY, EVEN IF YOU GET THE FLU INOCULATIONS. IT MAY JUST HELP YOU AGAINST SOME OF THE HARM THAT THE ACTUAL FLU SHOT MAY CAUSE IN THE LONG RUN AS WELL AS PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING A SERIOUS CASE OF THE FLU.

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 Part 1

YOU ARE NOT IN THE SAME GAME WITH ME AND NEVER WILL BE!

ANYONE WHO PLAYS BY YOUR HOUSE RULES WOULD HAVE TO BE BRAIN DEAD by all of that mercury that you claim you eat. I do not knowingly gamble with someone that uses a stack deck of cards, designed and made by the drug industry, packaged by the government (CDC, FDA, & WHO); using their own new legal rules under a phony national emergency; that is being dealt out by a controlled media. The majority of Americans accept what they are being told, because it is exactly how the brain works and you and your your boss knows that. People resist cognitive dissonance; because it is easier to go along with letting someone else take care of the problem for them. They trust the drugs to make them better and keep them safe from harm. They want to believe inthe drug industry that has waged a skillful campaign that has gotten many on the band wagon.

THERE IS ONE MAJOR PROBLEM TO THIS PHONY PANDEMIC AND IT IS THE INTERNET WHERE PEOPLE ARE AT LEAST LEARNING TO CONNECT THE DOTS.

THE DRUG INDUSTRY SOLUTION:

GET CONTROL OF THE INTERNET THROUH NEW LAWS.

DURING THE INTERIM THEY HAVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT THEY CAN CONTROL AND OR ALSO BLINDLY BELIEVE.

It seems to come down to, as you have said, blaming someone or something as you do? so YOU BLAME IT ON GENETICS. Your industry has even brain washed the doctors to believe that it is not so much the food and drugs as it is genetics. I eat all natural things, but not 10 cans of tuna fish a week. (Something smells a little fishy here to me) I eat 80% raw vegetables, fruits, and nuts. I exercise daily at the gym, my body mass ratio is where it should be, but if my cholesterol and triglycerides are not in the right proportions or do not match the newly created guidelines... the 1st thing the doctor says is it must be in your genes, and I will have to put you on medication. Does the drug industry ever tell anyone it could be the liver that is not functioning correctly? No, there is no money in that game, so they can?t play. The liver puts out 80% of all cholesterol in the body, at best we only take in 20% .

Yea, your genome mapping really came up with all the answers?not. You are part of the problem and you are partly responsible for the mess the drug industry is in and the reason why we are all paying the price for the mess you help create.

A few years back many of the drug industry money making patents were running out and they were looking for new drugs that would come as a result of your human genome mapping. It just wasn?t there and since then they have realized that there is a lot more to it. So, what to do? No great new drug discoveries from your map that they were expecting to make money off of; so, why not create an artificial need for something, which can be taken often enough to keep their coffers filled and that can also provide a reason for additional ancillary drugs to increase profits. They not only did just that, but they got the government, its agencies, its laws, and the media to do what they could not do. Through grants, and influential foundations they have used this funding to literally control most research and their results. They have controlled the media to get dangerous drugs advertised and supported by so called experts like you who only use their deck of cards. You actually want us to think that we can get a square deal from this stacked deck?

There is independent research and reporting going on that is not being totally controlled by the industry and every once in a while like in one such case from CBS they tell the facts. However, the research is not followed up on and the reports are stopped. In some cases the media actually do other stories that never asks the hard questions and that is exactly what happen here on 60 minutes.

You asked for proof of mercury poisoning, and quickly ignore all that I and others have said about the danger of mercury. You seem to tout the fact that you ingest a lot of mercury and it is safe, how foolish and we should take you seriously?

It is not just vaccine mercury.

MERCURY POISON WORKS BETTER IN COMBINATION WITH ALUMINUM.

Boyd E. Haley, Ph.D., is Professor Emeritus of chemistry and has published important studies about mercury reported, ?in our studies on neurons in culture we found that aluminum at levels found in vaccines dramatically enhanced the toxicity of thimerosal and mercury action thereby decreasing the level of mercury required to have the toxic effects.?

Dr Fudenberg
http://www.nitrf.org
NAAR should know that I was on the WHO immunology panel for 20 years and continually urged discontinuation of thimersol in vaccines. The only ones who listened were the Scandinavian countries (esp. Finland, where I hold an honorary Ph.D.). Those countries banned thimersol in 1992.-----H. Hugh Fudenberg, M.D.

[drgglow]

Hmmmmm....if the government is so concerned about the health of the American people, why would we go completely nuts over a mild flu virus, from which 99% of people would suffer no ill effects, and not ban smoking and cigarettes, which causes way more morbidity and mortality to even those who don't smoke?

Answer: Lots of money to be had from tobacco companies to not ban smoking and lots of money from drug manufacturers to create panic over something ridiculous.

Read the statistics of efficacy of the regular flu vaccine in the manufacturer's insert - MAYBE 25 to 50% in completely immunocompetent people, close to zero in anyone immunocompromised (elderly, young children, anyone sick). Look at the rate of transmission of virus from the live flu vaccines - something like 3%. Look at the rate of flu symptoms following vaccination - something like 7 to 10%.
Multidose vials contain mercury. Estimated 25mcg per dose (adult and pediatric). EPA states that maximum daily consumption should not exceed 1mcg per kg. So a roughly 20 pound child (average 18month old perhaps) will get 2.5X the amount of mercury deemed safe in one shot. Just one. Mercury is not excreted. It is stored. Pregnant women are told not to eat fish containing much less mercury than they would get in one flu shot. That doesn't make sense to me.

Now where is the publicity about all of these very real dangers to the American public? Where is the publicity about the efficacy of Vitamin D in preventing or minimizing the symptoms of influenza infection?
Answer: There isn't any. Why? No money honey!

G. Hamilton, MD
Wisconsin

[apbt55]

Vitamin D only works if you have a deficiency, read the literature,

as for effectiveness this is right from CDC for professionals, if you are an MD you should have read this.

http://www.cdc.gov/FLU/PROFESSIONALS/VACCINATION/effectivenessqa.htm

Overall, in years when the vaccine and circulating viruses are well-matched, influenza vaccines can be expected to reduce laboratory-confirmed influenza by approximately 70% to 90% in healthy adults <65 years of age. Several studies have also found reductions in febrile illness, influenza-related work absenteeism, antibiotic use, and doctor visits.


previously posted,


Ok slow your roll, a lot of these statements are based on one great peice of misinformation, the highest dose of mercury, that is a fallacy. we will site your version EPA RfD and clarify something, that is 0.001mg/Kg/day (or 1microg/Kg/day)that is per day, left out one important peice there. A second important peice becomes the definition of RfD versus NOAEL versus LOAEL when what you are using for your argument in this instance should really be the LOAEL again a dose used everyday for 1 year. Since we aren't vaccinating every day for year that cuts into your argument substantiably especially considering the LOAEL is 1.9mg/Kg/day (that is milligrams not micrograms, 25microg/dose of flu containing thimerosal)

So lets say for arguments sake we use the NOAEL (No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level) which is 230 microgram/Kg/day, from studies using 5 days consumption a week for 6 months. you could get a shot five days a week and still be under that level. Heck 150lb person can get 626 shots five days a week for 6 months and still be under the No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level.

for the EPA and limits reference:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/exposure.htm
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/efork2/oak_p1.html

[apbt55]

MrMagooJam:
momagainstmercury :

Ok so you are biased, that is why you are using misinformation and partial truths to make claims, then when I point them out to you I get back basically

"YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE YOU ARE USING SCIENCE AND STATISTICS TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT"

When loking at these vaccines I think to myself would this be safe for my children. And use that as my standard in evaluating the data presented.

It is the culture of America to need to blame someone or something even when it is just ourselves, I am sorry for your grandchildren, but people aren't perfect and can be born with abnormal genetics that predispose them to lots of disorders. So if that is how you feel the go ahead, but don't blatantly lie to people to try to sway their opinion. I am after all as you put merely presenting useless facts.

I am calling you out to support these statements agianst the actual content of thimerosal in some vaccines and your claims to the detrimental levels, I have given you actual EPA.gov site and the real limits and their confirmational test.

You can't because you are using essestially falsified data. You say have useless facts, isn't that the purpose of facts to support a claim. So you are essentially saying everything you have written here is heresay or worse, purposefully manipulated half truths to try and push your agenda. There is no sense swaying you, I am merely presenting the actual data you are using incorrectly and falsifying for others to see the truth and make their own decisions.

I am done trying to combat your illogical ranting.

[MrMagooJam]

apbt5.

I never said you would be dead from eating mercury or fish. I did say MERCURY KILLS BRAIN CELLS, and of course you will find something to try and prove that is also wrong. The mercury and the studies need to be applied to children in the developing brain, unless you are a child taking those kinds of doses and if you are, than that would explain some of your comments. This is not a subject I wanted to get into, but I was appalled at you attacking the victims of bad medicine with bad science. Almost all of the studies and evidence has been screwed with by the Pharmaceutical Industry, and you should know that without me telling you. I have two autistic grandchildren and know the dramatic change that came over the youngest after her inoculations. That does not prove it was the inoculations, but similar situations make it paramount that the proper research is done, and not by the drug companies or universities that they can manipulate or by their flunkies in a government agency.

Everyone should be made aware that:
YOU ONLY QUOTE INFORMATION BASED ON AND ONLY IN FAVOR OF THE INDUSTRY YOU WORK(ED) FOR WHILE IGNORING THE REST.

It is obvious that on the inoculation issue you HAVE TRIED TO BURY THE TRUTH WITH PSEUDOSCIENTIFIC LANGUAGE AND STATISTICS. NOT ALL OF US HAD BEEN BOUGHT AND PAID FOR and a few actually understand what you are trying to do. Some of us have challenged or left the industry, because of a conscious awareness of what is really happening.

I am also familiar with the Green Monkey patents on growing viruses in organs and who owns and is using those patents, and where they are operating. I do not blame you for not talking about that subject publicly. I no longer consider myself an expert, since I have not been published in the past four years accepts for a self-published book. I am now just a? 67 year old informed citizen, who does Tai Chi forms with a deep interest in helping people, not making a pay check, and not actually doing martial arts like you. Yes, you some may consider you a scary type of person armed with the type of information that can put in the category of helping to maintain the status Quo.

I have noticed you have tried to belittle those that post on the internet or research on the internet. It is the only place that you can get information that is not controlled, right or wrong it is the only place and now the government is again trying to take that away. You must also feel that taking away that freedom would be a good thing, since you are only interested in putting down anyone with a different point of view from the drug companies. You must be a good fit.

I AGAIN URGE EVERYONE TO HELP PROTECT OUR FREEDOM THAT IS METHODICALLY BEING TAKEN AWAY BY THE DRUG INDUSTRY THROUGH CONTROLLING THE MEDIA, OUR GOVERNMENT, ITS AGENCIES, AND THE MISUSE OF OUR LAWS.

[momagainstmercury]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. YOU know what you are talking about and you are not the only one who sees what some of the people on this board are doing!! You are right -- our biggest danger now is losing the internet, the only place we can find truth in a world that seems to be owned by Big Pharma.

[apbt55]

Ok so you are biased, that is why you are using misinformation and partial truths to make claims, then when I point them out to you I get back basically

"YOU ARE WRONG BECAUSE YOU ARE USING SCIENCE AND STATISTICS TO SUPPORT YOUR ARGUMENT"

When loking at these vaccines I think to myself would this be safe for my children. And use that as my standard.

It is the culture of America to need to blame someone or something. So if that is how you feel the go ahead, but don't blatantly lie to people to try to sway their opinion.

I am done trying to combat your illogical ranting.

[cva1328]

Dear Scott, I enjoyed your piece,but wastaken back about only 400 people acquired GBS (Guillian-Barre Syndrome) The Dr didn't even mention all of us who have contracted CIDP, another rare neurological illness. The gov't is only willing to admit to 400 cases becauses of liability. I have`sufered for nearly 30 years with CIDP and now I must use an electric wheelchair to get around. The illness, according to my neurologist, was from the flu shot of 1976. My symptoms were not readily seen for some time after that. What I am saying is that people should be aware of these possibilities and the gov't take more accountabilty to monitor those who have rec'd the shot for a longer period. I have chronicled my struggle w/CIDP in a book. It is no picnic and neitherr I or my family will get the shot. C. Alleva

[momagainstmercury]

13. So you consider all the chemicals in the environment to potentially be a cause, but it certainly also couldn't be the chemical concoctions in the vaccines that we're shooting directly into their bloodstreams? Are you kidding me? You think injecting children with vaccines year after year after year in the 90s when each one had 25mcg of mercury.... you don't think that could have played a part?
YES, the chemicals in the environment can play a part..... BUT SO CAN THE VACCINES! Again, exactly why our government tried to insert a secret rider into the Homeland Security Act to protect Eli Lilly from thimerosal related lawsuits. AND FOR YOUR INFORMATION, there HAS BEEN A COURT CASE WHERE THEY RULED THAT THE CHILD DEVELOPED AUTISM DUE TO THE VACCINE. Do your homework.

14. There are all kinds of published medical journals that show side effects from vaccines much more severe than the "redness" in the arm we're told about. And you don't think Big Pharma is making massive profits from these vaccines?

"The vaccine market is booming. It's an enormous growth area for pharmaceuticals at a time when other areas are not doing so well," Bruce Carlson, a spokesperson for the market research firm Kalorama, told ABC News.

On October 1, 2009, under the headline, "Vical shares soar on Navy's H1N1 contract," Fierce Vaccines advised that: "Anyone doubting just how hot H1N1 news is right now should check out Vical's stock price this morning."

"The developer announced a modest $1.3 million contract with the Navy to fund the manufacturing and testing of itsswine flu vaccine and the company's stock shot up 22 percent," the report said.

From NaturalNews.com website: http://www.naturalnews.com/027294_swine_flu_vaccines_H1N1.html

15. Sorry Mr. "informed scientist"...but nothing you said impressed me. There ARE BIG STORIES HERE. But unforunately our pharma-controlled media is not going to touch the real stories.

p.s. Why don't you check out Jon Rappaport's interview with a former vaccine maker.... this person worked in the lab and revealed the dangers of vaccines and what makes their way into vaccines in the processing.... and why he will never give his own children a vaccine after what he has seen. http://www.alternative-doctor.com/vaccination/rappaport.htm

[apbt55]

Ok slow your roll, a lot of these statements are based on one great peice of misinformation, the highest dose of mercury, that is a fallacy. we will site your version EPA RfD and clarify something, that is 0.001mg/Kg/day (or 1microg/Kg/day)that is per day, left out one important peice there. A second important peice becomes the definition of RfD versus NOAEL versus LOAEL when what you are using for your argument in this instance should really be the LOAEL again a dose used everyday for 1 year. Since we aren't vaccinating every day for year that cuts into your argument substantiably especially considering the LOAEL is 1.9mg/Kg/day (that is milligrams not micrograms, 25microg/dose of flu containing thimerosal)

So lets say for arguments sake we use the NOAEL (No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level) which is 230 microgram/Kg/day, from studies using 5 days consumption a week for 6 months. you could get a shot five days a week and still be under that level. Heck 150lb person can get 626 shots five days a week for 6 months and still be under the No-Observed-Adverse-Effect Level.

The reference you site in the prologue:
[Gosselin, R.E., R.P. Smith, H.C. Hodge. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 5th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1984.III-267]**PEER REVIEWED**

Is also misleading because they do not go on to clarify this is excessive amounts, in excess of 1.9mg/Kg/day everyday for 1 yr, that is the data they are referencing.

And also to clarify, thimerosal is not an adjuvant, the adjuvant in MF-59 is squalene derivative oil in water adjuvant. Thimerosal is a preservative, stops the growth of microbes in the multidose vials, it is a requirement of mutlidose vials by most countries regulatory bodies.

for the EPA and limits reference:
http://www.epa.gov/mercury/exposure.htm
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/pha/efork2/oak_p1.html

[momagainstmercury]

8. Dr. Mercola is NOT a fraud, he has helped thousands of people regain their health where conventional medicine has failed. He is dedicated to treating people holistically instead of just dangerous pharmaceutical drugs....which I gather from your remarks, is probably all you and "your MD friends" believe in. Go ahead -- stick with those "modern medicine" drugs where 100,000 people a year die from -- and keep injecting yourself with mercury and aluminum filled flu shots year after year after year. We'll see how healthy you are in about 20 years....

9. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. There are MANY children WHO HAVE RECOVERED FROM AUTISM. They got the heavy metals removed from their bodies and recovered. You can see many before and after videos online of this. And your "insert jenny mccarthy crap here" is just so unoriginal and boring. It is so easy for you pro-pharma folks to go after Jenny McCarthy because she is... Jenny McCarthy. But you know what? Take away the playboy centerfold, and you have an intelligent, compassionate, brave courageous woman who did not accept her child's diagnosis...she FOUGHT and RESEARCHED and found the right doctors, got the right supplements, diet and treatment and with biomedical intervention she was able to bring her son BACK.

10. Wow, that's an interesting statement. A person was alive, they get the vaccine and die....but no it wasn't necessarily the vaccine!! Yes, I understand that there may be genetic predispositions....but that does not take away from the fact that there is inherent risk with vaccines and that healthy people DO die from them. My own pediatrician had two healthy babies die in his practice within 24 hours of receiving their shots. Look at the young women who were alive and healthy and died from the Garadisil vaccine.

11. "Because we understand components of the vaccine aren't around months and years after the injection"... oh really? And where did you find this science to confirm this ridiculous statement? How about the children who weren't able to excrete the mercury from all their shots from their bodies naturally, and once they went through chelation and got it removed.... they lost their autism diagnosis. Mercury can and does accumulate in the body.

12. According to national statistics, the rate of autism is now what, like 1 in 100 for boys? Something like that? And for THOUSANDS of children to go through Homefirst unvaccinated and not have any autism...... hmmm..... there just might be a correlation there. And for your information, congress is finally working on a bill that would , FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, study the health outcomes of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated children...AND Homefirst and the Amish community are the two groups THEY ARE GOING TO USE FOR THIS STUDY. This is something that should have been done YEARS AGO.... the drug companies of course have never done this study because they know the answer.... UNVACCINATED children are going to show to be healthier. All these vaccines are screwing up children's immune systems and the rates of allergies, asthma, autism, ADHD and other chronic illnesses in children have skyrocketed as the number of vaccines have gone up.

[momagainstmercury]

6. "Frivolous lawsuits"? Is that what you call them? If you had a child that had their health damaged from a thimerosal-containing vaccine, I don't think you would be calling it "frivolous." These are CHILDREN and HUMAN BEINGS we are talking about. Our government has paid out over 1 BILLION DOLLARS to vaccine-damaged families. Did you know that? But oh yes, these vaccines are safe, aren't they?! And the rider they tried to hide in the Homeland Security Act was there because our government KNOWS they screwed up years ago when many more of the vaccines on the schedule contained thimerosal, not just the flu shots. In fact, in a secret CDC meeting with officials where the transcript was obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, the scientists said this:

Dr. Verstraeten, pg. 40-41: ??we have found statistically significant relationships between the exposure and outcomes for these different exposures and outcomes. First, for two months of age, an unspecified developmental delay, which has its own specific ICD9 code. Exposure at three months of age, Tics. Exposure at six months of age, an attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months of age, language and speech delays which are two separate ICD9 codes. Exposures at one, three and six months of age, the entire category of neurodevelopmental delays, which includes all of these plus a number of other disorders." [I for one would certainly be interested in knowing what all those "other disorders" were... although I have a very good idea!!! Note that, at least in my opinion, although those attending the meeting varied greatly in their "concern", the population sample used in this study, in my opinion, could only be described as very "white washed". When you don't want to see "a link", as clearly stated in the Simpsonwood transcripts, the children you allow in your study will certainly impact the results!]

Dr. Bernier, pg. 113: "We have asked you to keep this information confidential. We do have a plan for discussing these data at the upcoming meeting of the Advisory Committee of Immunization Practices on June 21 and June 22. At that time CDC plans to make a public release of this information [THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO FOLKS!!!], so I think it would serve all of our interests best if we could continue to consider these data. The ACIP work group will be considering also. If we could consider these data in a certain protected environment. So we are asking people who have a great job protecting this information up until now, to continue to do that until the time of the ACIP meeting. So to basically consider this embargoed information.
Dr. Johnson, pg. 198: "This association leads me to favor a recommendation that infants up to two years old not be immunized with Thimerosal containing vaccines if suitable alternative preparations are available. I do not believe the diagnoses justifies compensation in the Vaccine Compensation Program at this point. I deal with causality, it seems pretty clear to me that the data are not sufficient one way or the other. My gut feeling? It worries me enough. Forgive this personal comment, but I got called out a eight o'clock for an emergency call and my daughter-in-law delivered a son by C-section. Our first male in the line of the next generation, and I do not want that grandson to get a Thimerosal containing vaccine until we know better what is going on. It will probably take a long time. In the meantime, and I know there are probably implications for this internationally, but in the meantime I think I want that grandson to only be given Thimerosal-free vaccines." [In other words, all of us at this meeting could make an informed decision for our loved ones, but, we'll just keep all this to ourselves and let those "other kids" get these mercury-laced vaccines even though we knew there were some major and statistically significant concerns here!!!]

http://www.autismhelpforyou.com/Simpsonwood_And_Puerto%20%20Rico.htm

7. On adjuvant squalene: It is NOT safe when injected directly into the bloodstream:
MF-59 is an oil-based adjuvant primariloy composed of squalene.
* All rats injected with squalene (oil) adjuvants developed a disease that left them crippled, dragging their paralyzed hindquarters across their cages. Injected squalene can cause severe arthritis (3 on scale of 4) and severe immune responses, such as autoimmune arthritis and lupus.
Reference (1): Kenney, RT. Edleman, R. "Survey of human-use adjuvants." Expert Review of Vaccines. 2 (2003) p171. Reference (2): Matsumoto, Gary. Vaccine A: The
Covert Government Experiment That?s Killing Our Soldiers and Why GI?s Are Only the First Victims of this Vaccine. New York: Basic Books. p54.

[momagainstmercury]

To "Crowtrob" or "Informed Scientist" as you like to call it.

1. Yes, I know there is a mercury-free version. My point was, why has our country continued to allow mercury in ANY vaccines to begin with? Many countries have banned the use of mercury in vaccines. Mercury is a known neurotoxin more dangerous than lead. It should not be in ANY vaccine. The media and the CDC are not warning pregnant women about the mercury in the flu shot and H1N1 shots. They are not informing the masses to ask for the thimerosal-free shot. THIS IS A STORY IN ITSELF, when other countries have BANNED THIS.

2. I am fully aware that it is MSDS, in my hurry I transposed it. Yes, you are nitpicking and it is only because you do not have enough useful information and are trying to make the uninformed person who comes to this site think you are the expert to be trusted when in fact you have an obvious bias.
I am also fully aware of the difference between ethyl-mercury and methyl-mercury and they are BOTH dangerous:
MERCURY COMPOUNDS

?Methyl, ethyl, n-propyl & perhaps n-butyl mercury derivatives are virulent neurotoxins on either acute or chronic exposure. They are especially hazardous because of their volatility, their ability to penetrate epithelial & blood-brain barriers & their persistence in vivo."

[Gosselin, R.E., R.P. Smith, H.C. Hodge. Clinical Toxicology of Commercial Products. 5th ed. Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1984.III-267]**PEER REVIEWED**


3. To say this vaccine, even though not proven safe for fetuses, should be safe because the other flu shots supposedly are...that is ludicrous. Show me the research that flu shots are safe for fetuses. It says RIGHT ON THE MANUFACTURER's INSERT that it is NOT KNOWN whether the vaccine can harm the fetus. AND, THE MSDS SHEET STATES THAT FETUSES AND CHILDREN EXPOSED TO MERCURY CAN RESULT IN MILD TO SEVERE MENTAL RETARDATION. And your point is...???

4. There is a big difference between something being consumed and going through the gastrointestinal tract and having something shot directly into the bloodstream.

[damatodna]

H1N1 Production: - You only spoke about one company that manufactures the vacine in the USA. Where are the other 4 companies located and are the controls as stringent? American needs to know where the vacine is manufactured.

[mollydtt]

The other 4 companies are located in other countries. I watched the television segment yesterday.

[bluesky921]

The reason we don't want to get vaccinated is because of the LONG-TERM effects of any vaccine. No one really knows what that is. One example is the many forms of auto-immune disorders such as Lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis. Do the doctors know anything about what causes these disorders? Until they do, how can anyone say for sure that vaccines are safe?
And as far as hinting to the fact that I have chosen to not vaccinate because of talk-news, is very insulting. Believe it or not, I do have a brain of my own. I also have a heart that tells me something about the many many vaccines that we are injecting into ourselves and our children is not right.

[apbt55]

Generally these are genetic defects, we do know this, and can be passed on from one generation to the next. They can also be tested for, ROCHE makes a chip that tests for over 500 known genetic diseases. It is expensive and most insurances won't pay for it.

Previously I worked doing gene mapping and recombinant genomics research.

Yes it is better to let them die from horrible diseases because less then 0.1% may have a genetic predisposition for reaction. And vaccines are the only things that will bring out these predispositions, right. Then why is it the diseases were around before vaccination, because it is generally a strong immune response that brings them out. Like I have said it is merely in that person teh vaccine might have been the agent that revealed the underlying condition. It would happen eventually.

Also look at the resurgence of diseases that have almost disappeared in our culture (like polio and whooping cough), because of the don't vaccinate movement.

So which is worse, you tell me. I choose to vaccinate, from previous vaccinations I have strong evidence to support that my wife and daughters do not have these underlying conditions and that is the better choice for them.

For others, take notice to illness and how it effects you or your children, there are always signs of these predispositions, people generally aren't informed to or don't think to look for them.

[MrMagooJam]

HEAR YEA, HEAR YEA ONE AND ALL...

THE ROCKEFELLER-SNOWE CYBERSECURITY BILL S773

MAKES IT CLEAR THAT THE PRESIDENT'S AUTHORITY INCLUDES SECURING OUR NATIONAL CYBER INFRASTRUCTURE FROM ATTACK.?

We all need to unite and fight against this bill, for they have already started action against those who advertise something natural to ward off serious complications of getting or having the flu. This bill means that since THE GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY deemed this phony national emergency a matter of national security, they can now shut down those on the internet who opposes the lies and misinformation they are telling us. If you happen to believe what they are telling you, as Americans who support freedom of speech, you would not want the internet controlled this way. TheY has come to realize that the only thing that can expose their lies and stop them doing great harm is by the internet, which lets people know the whole truth about what they are not telling them.

As I have been saying all along, there is something much bigger at stake and we need to recognize it; for only we can prevent a major misdirection from happening in our country.

Senators Jay Rockefeller (D-W.V.) and Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) Write an e-mail to not only these senators but your own state senator opposint bill S773.

[Mr-Wingmaker]

Showing the sick student without mentioning that he had a MRSA infection to begin with makes me wonder who owns the show 60 minutes. Vaccines cause Micro-Vascular strokes as proven by Dr. Andrew Moulden. Vaccines also cause auto-immune disorders. Vaccines are the quackery of modern medicine. Mass vaccination programs not only fail to protect the population from infectious disease, they actually accelerate the spread of disease in many cases. Vaccines will be proven in the future to be responsible for all modern diseases. Shame on 60 minutes for doing a poor job at research and investigation. Looks like we know who owns the program: Big Pharma.

[apbt55]

You should your scientific knowledge in your second sentence, as proven by.

And again in your 3rd sentence with the cause phrase.

Please don't talk like an espert.

[monkeybuttonsonparade]

can anyone here confirm the use of the African Green Monkey cell line in the h1n1 vaccine? I've not seen that addressed in the media and wonder what the truth is. Many thanks.

[MaggieGold]

Sam Goldstein was one of the few who died (Jan 1977) from GBS that he contractd from the original swine flu shot in 1976. Please see CBS3 for a report that they did on the swine flu and Sam's story. He was a para-olympian (he represented the USA in the 1964 Tokyo Para-Olympics), a loving husband and father. I watched him die a slow and painful death for a month.
I keep asking, what are the real side effects?

[MrMagooJam]

apbt55 said; I generally eat around 10 cans of tunafish a week as one of my protein sources, have since I was about 17? so for 13 years about 60mcg of mercury a day.

by all your proclamations I should be dead.

IT IS NOW A PROVEN FACT THAT IT CAN KILL BRAIN CELLS!

The National Vaccine Information Center said that?The cumulative effects of ingesting mercury can cause brain damage.
The American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) alerted the public about the possible health effects associated with thimerosal-containing vaccines.

apbt55 if you are a scientist you must know as I do that the 2005 study, which everyone is quoting focused on mercury distribution, but it did not examine the effect of low doses of thimerosal on developing mice. The data also varies from that of adult mice, suggesting that the uptake and metabolism of mercury differs in adult and postnatal mice. The results vary greatly from what the news reported and what those online have said about the study. We all need to stop letting someone else do our thinking? it does not support that mercury in vaccinations is safe; rather the reality is it had strong implications for the regulation of thimerosal in vaccines. Since then no extensive toxicological studies have been done using humans and it is still being used in many inoculations. If you want to hang yourselves on that study, then hang you must!

A later test results in 2006 reported in the JOURNAL OF APPLIED TOXICOLOGY showed that the level of mercury was higher in the liver and kidney of the inorganic mercury group than in the thiomersal exposed group. However, THE BRAIN AND BLOOD CONCENTRATIONS OF MERCURY WERE HIGHER IN THE THIOMERSAL EXPOSED GROUP. This test proves nothing but to contradict any fanaticized conclusions of the 2005 test. Neither test makes a valid argument or proves anything; they just show the need for more testing.
Both methylmercury and ethylmercury distributes to and through out all body tissues and crosses the blood-brain barrier. Experiments indicate that thiomersal rapidly dissociates to release ethylmercury after injection; which is similar to equivalent doses of ethylmercury chloride. However none of that changes the fact that Thiomersal is very toxic by inhalation, ingestion, and in contact with skin and becomes more dangerous with cumulative effects. When applied to human nerve cells it changes cell membrane and induces cell death. In the body it is metabolized or degraded to ethylmercury and thiosalicylate.

Ethylmercury clears from blood with a half-time of about 18 days, and from the brain in about 14 days. Inorganic mercury metabolized from ethylmercury has a much longer clearance, at least 120 days.
Here again, it is very easy to have let the Pharmaceutical industry lead our thinking with half truths through the use of the media and government abuse of laws and incomplete information. We live in an artificially created reality that is very desirable to believe in, and if you do not follow the prescribed treatment, you won?t have to worry about the flu, just the lost of civil rights and freedom.

[apbt55]

Yes I am familiar with the ethyl and methyl monkey studies. I think we have a similar understanding, at first you came off as one of the blogging wackjobs (sorry that sounded mean but wasn't intended that way), who just recites what someone gives them. And as I have stated in other posts, It is a choice and people need to be informed.

Generally whether or not people will admit it, the only problem is if you have an underlying condition that predisposes you, and that is usually not as statistically significant portion of the population. So for a majority of the population vaccination is the right choice, but most people are not aware of the signs of many of these underlying conditions to determine whether they or their family display these signs and are at risk, so it becomes more grey.

I would give more of my opinion offline,