October 27, 2009 8:49 PM

Vet: U.S. Presence Fuels Afghan Insurgents

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(CBS)  The White House said Tuesday President Obama is almost finished gathering advice on how to move forward in Afghanistan. A decision is still expected in the coming weeks.

The question is whether to send in thousands of additional troops. But CBS News correspondent David Martin reports one combat veteran and former State Department official says the U.S. should get out of Afghanistan altogether.

Charging that "the United States military presence in Afghanistan greatly contributes to the legitimacy and strategic message of the (Taliban) insurgency," Matthew Hoh became the first U.S. official to resign in protest over the Afghan war.

Read Hoh's resignation letter

"Basically I feel that our strategies in Afghanistan are not pursuing goals that are worthy of sacrificing our young men and women or spending the billions were doing there," Hoh said.

Hoh is a former marine who spent five months working for the State Department in Afghanistan and is by all accounts well respected.

In his letter of resignation, dated Sept. 10, he said, "Our forces, devoted and faithful, have been committed to conflict in an indefinite and unplanned manner that has become a cavalier, politically expedient and pollyannish misadventure."

One of his specific complaints is sending troops to man outposts in the remote valleys of Afghanistan.

"I don't believe we should be conducting combat operations in valleys where the only reason those people are fighting us is because we're occupying them," Hoh said.

Often located on valley floors surrounded by mountains - and able to be resupplied only by helicopter - those outposts are frequently attacked by Taliban from the high ground. Helicopter gun ships have to be called in to repulse the attacks.

This month U.S. troops have pulled out of a half dozen outposts in eastern Afghanistan. The withdrawals were ordered by Maj. Gen. Curtis Scaparotti, who told CBS News it freed up hundreds of soldiers tied down defending terrain where many of the villagers just want to be left alone.

But every time the U.S. abandons an outpost, it's a propaganda victory for the Taliban, who claim they chased the Americans out.

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by armyoftwelve October 28, 2009 7:18 PM EDT
If we pull out of afghanistan and let it fall to the taliban again we will certainly get attacked again. What then? Are we going to blow them all back to the jurassic age??

The US spent a LOT of maoney there in the 50's, we helped them beat teh soviets.....If this doesn't work out and we get stabbed in the back again maybe it's time to declare war on the pashtun.
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by payasyougo October 28, 2009 7:49 AM EDT
"Vet: U.S. Presence Fuels Afghan Insurgents"
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Yeah, well then the L.A. Police presence must fuel local gang violence there.
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by AOCGUY October 28, 2009 3:06 PM EDT
You got a point there payasyougo. Probably an over simplification but is this analogous to if a murderer flees into a neighborhood and the local gangs don't like the police in their part of town then the police should just stay away? Doesn't make sense on a local level.
by r9119111 October 28, 2009 3:57 AM EDT
Do yourself a favor and check out the Project for a New American Cenrtury (PNAC) and the Statement of Principles. Notice who signed the Statement of Principles. Again, I say do yourself a favor.

All you have to do is type in PNAC in the address bar, click on the first option and select Statement of Principles.

This is a major reason we are in the mess we are in. We simply have not been minding our own business. There is a better way than the PNAC and that is to learn how to get along with other people and learn to accept their differences. Killing those who do not agree with you is outdated and extremely uncivilized. Time to show our maturity, my friends, childish and uncivilized behavior was the cause of this problem and will create even greater problems if we continue using war as a solution.
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by ToolMangler1 October 28, 2009 5:36 PM EDT
There is no problem with us (the USA) getting along with them, The problem lies with them getting along with us. The only way they will accept that is for 'us' to convert to Islam. If you think I am mistaken, just read their 'Quaran' (Islamic bible)
by r9119111 October 28, 2009 3:49 AM EDT
Do yourself a favor and check out the Project for a New American Cenrtury (PNAC) and the Statement of Principles. Notice who signed the Statement of Principles. Again, I say do yourself a favor.

All you have to do is type in PNAC in the address bar, click on the first option and select Statement of Principles.

This is a major reason we are in the mess we are in. We simply have not been minding our own business.
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by r9119111 October 28, 2009 3:45 AM EDT
Do yourself a favor and check out the Project for a New American Cenrtury (PNAC) and the Statement of Principles. Notice who signed the Statement of Principles. Again, I say do yourself a favor.

All you have to do is type in PNAC in the address bar, click on the first option and select Statement of Principles.
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by thesevenveils October 28, 2009 2:53 AM EDT
What Hoh is speaking out against is the polices put in place by Bush and Cheney. But his quitting is no big deal. In the hierarchy of things, this guy is the one who gets coffee and doughnuts, the guy friday.

Knowing that in the Marines the rotation in country is a minimum of 12 months, how, as a Marine was he in Afghanistan for just 5 months. Was he a Fobbit?
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by rightbehind October 27, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
They will hate us no matter if we're there or not. I say stay there and reform that country so the terrorist have no place to hide. As for Iraq we had no business being there to start with.
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by stn_sage October 27, 2009 9:53 PM EDT
Most...if not all...of everything that Mr. Hoh has said...has been said by someone on this site at one time or another!

It was good advice when offered by posters...and it's good advice offered by him!

The points are: will Mr. Obama succumb to this advice...and WHEN?!

Because he's smart enough to know...that it IS the thing to do...so
if he chooses NOT to do it...he reveals to the public who HE really IS!
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by Overruled1 October 27, 2009 9:28 PM EDT
There are several reasons I can come up with to stay in Afghanistan.
1. The Taliban covered for Al Quada.
2. The Taliban kills innocent people if they don't agree with policy of Sharia laws.
3. The Taliban hates all other peoples cultures and will continue to fight and terrorize the nations of the region.
4. The Taliban have influenced Islamic people to hate Americans in other countries.
5. The Taliban policy of keep the women ignorant is inhumane and any attempt to talk them out of this is rejected off hand. They hate smart women.
6. Schools are terrorized by the Taliban.
7. We have a government we back up in Afghanistan who is friendly to us.
8. We need the bases we can get in the area for future conflict resolution.

Can anyone add to the reason list? A Challenge....

How about the reasons to get out? A challenge...
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by ToolMangler1 October 27, 2009 9:40 PM EDT
Going by the "one combat veteran and former State Department officials opinion" we can stop all fighting everywhere in the world simply by going home and comitting suicide. As long as there is a Western ideology anywhere in the world the Taliban and Islamic extremists are 'Honor bound' to eradicate it.
Personally, I will never accept Islam as 'my' religion so that means I must be put to death. Ok!!! Come and get me........
by melchg07 October 27, 2009 9:50 PM EDT
The Taliban had tried making in roads to destablizing the Pakistani government (who have nukes.)

The Pakistani government only in recent months have actually pushed against the Taliban and such in their own country.....up to this point Pakistan hadn't made much of an effort to pursue the likes of them.

People are calling for us to end the war in Pakistan and Afghanistan when we're finally starting to put our focus there.

For the first 7 years of the war we sent in under 28,000 troops! We sent over 150,000 to IRAQ!~

Finally we've been putting more troops in there. we are now up to nearly half of what we sent to Iraq.

I say send more troops and send more drones and push the Pakitani government to continue to push on their side of the border.....eventually the Taliban will run out of safe areas to run in that part of the world.
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by velma179 October 27, 2009 8:52 PM EDT
Amen

Bring them HOME!

Let's get our house strong from within.
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by Overruled1 October 27, 2009 9:21 PM EDT
Maybe they should try building the outposts on the tops of hills instead of being targeted from above.
by ToolMangler1 October 27, 2009 9:41 PM EDT
If we knock the mountains flat, there will be no 'High Ground' to attack us from...
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