Game Plan: If Israel Strikes Iran First

Retired General Says Israeli Attack to Take Out Iran's Nuclear Facilities Not Only Possible, the U.S. Should Join In

(CBS)  Expect the unexpected, at a conference of Middle East experts.

Several hundred spent the weekend at a resort hotel 30 miles northwest of Washington, D.C., forced by cold rain to focus on nothing but Iran and the nearly moribund Israeli-Palestinian peace process.

At this annual gathering of financial backers of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, joined by diplomats, journalists and analysts, many had expected a feisty debate between proponents and opponents of a military attack on Iran's nuclear facilities.

Instead, the crowd heard experts suggesting the military option is a very realistic one; and a retired U.S. Air Force general said Israel might open fire first - and that the United States would find it wise to join in.

Gen. Charles Wald, former head of strategic planning and policy for the Air Force who also had been deputy commander at U.S. European Command, said a bombing campaign - while "unpalatable" - could set back Iran's nuclear work for many years.

"I don't think Israel can do it alone," Wald added. "They have a fantastic military, but not big enough for weeks or months of attacks - hundreds of sorties per day."

Wald said the U.S. would not exactly be dragged into air strikes on Iran, but if "our great ally Israel" decided that it "can't take it anymore" - the prospect of an Iranian nuclear bomb - then "pressure will mount for us to stand by Israel."

The general said that after commanding the air portion of the post-9/11 invasion of Afghanistan, he thought deeply about neighboring Pakistan and the possibility that it might one day use its nuclear arsenal. "I asked my staff to look into what would happen if there were a Pakistani-Indian nuclear exchange. They said there'd be tens of millions of dead at the low end, and 300 million dead at the high end."

Wald said he soon discovered what the Pakistani leaders' reaction to that analysis was: They had not thought of that.

Wald suggested Iran, Israel and other Middle Eastern nations which were likely to feel compelled to acquire nuclear bombs might also be failing to face facts.

"In 2003, General Jim Jones [now President Obama's National Security Adviser] and I sat down with our Strategic Advisory Group for Europe. I couldn't get anyone interested in talking about Iran. The subject was always Iraq. And now Afghanistan is sucking all the oxygen out of the room." Wald added that Arab governments along the Persian Gulf, however, have for years had Iran as their main concern.

Sitting near Wald, a former head of Israel's military intelligence, retired General Aharon Farkash, agreed that the U.S. Air Force could be far more effective than Israel in crippling Iran's nuclear program. "The U.S. can destroy the nuclear capacity, and the war would not be long," Farkash said, though he cautioned that Western intelligence still might not know about all of Iran's nuclear sites.

Like other Israelis, Farkash stressed the importance of making Iran believe that U.S. and Israeli threats are real. Harsh sanctions might lead to a decision by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, to stop nuclear enrichment.

"The Teheran regime doesn't seek suicide," said the Israeli, who heads a new high-tech security company. "When they realize we mean business this time, they won't want to lose their regime."

David Makovsky, a senior analyst at the Washington Institute and co-author (with Obama administration official Dennis Ross) of a book on Middle East policy, commented that the generals gave the impression of two different attack philosophies: "The U.S. believes do it huge, and make it overwhelming, while Israel would do what it can because not acting is so much worse."

Makovsky asked General Wald to comment on the suggestion by Jimmy Carter's former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski - in a Daily Beast interview last month - that the U.S. shoot down Israeli warplanes if they try to fly over Iraq to attack Iran.

"The chance of that," Wald replied, "is zero - no, less than zero."

Earlier Saturday, the same audience heard a former vice president of the Islamic Republic of Iran argue that if his country is attacked, the pro-democracy "Green Movement" would be extinguished. Ata'ollah Mohajerani, who resides in London but is considered close to opposition candidate Mehdi Karoubi, said he strongly supports the reform movement, and considers Ahmadinejad's reelection illegitimate. But he said a military strike or severe sanctions would serve to strengthen the regime.

The Iranian politician's unexpectedly long speech included references to books by Dostoevsky, Kafka, Walt Whitman, Elie Wiesel, and even Britain's chief rabbi Jonathan Sacks. Mohajerani claimed that any good Muslim would not want nuclear weapons, but he made a point of saying that most of the nations putting pressure on Iran now have their own nuclear arsenals, alleging also that the United States and Israel wanted Iran to have atomic bombs when the late Shah was in power.

Responding to questions from supporters of Israel at the conference, Mohajerani refused to condemn Iranian-supported terrorism and declined to say if he thought Israel has a right to exist. Many in the crowd, believing that Mohajerani's goal in this rare appearance near Washington was to raise money and support for the Green Movement, said they were bitterly turned off. It looked to them like a Green-led Iran would not necessarily be much different from Ahmadinejad's regime.

Based in Washington, CBS News correspondent Dan Raviv is host of radio's "CBS News Weekend Roundup," and co-author of "Every Spy a Prince: The Complete History of Israeli Intelligence."

[devilfly1]

Drop the bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It would save our worries and a few million dollars,then we can have a good sleep after that.

Did you know that there are about sixty countries that already really hate America?

[mwhc1]

bhlah blah blah blah..... and more blah blah blah... run through the UN games... and bomb them. it's going to happen, no way around it.

[rocketjl]

I would clap. All we need is another extremist with atomic weapons.

[ShervinT]

LOL, you guys better think before posting LOL, nuke weapons are useless...why? cuz 1.nuke war has a payback, we're too stupid if we believe iran that they don't have nuke weapons, i think they had since 10 years ago 2.nuke missles can't stop the army, nuke missles are just made for the mass killings...if israel or US nuke Iran, they'll have to hide in moon. israel may just make it to kill millions of ppl in iran, but there will be no more israel and a real holocaust will happen, middle east will be owned by Iran once again and persian empire will rise again...and no one will dare to say a word against Iran. i think no one can start a war today...no one can be an empire today...cuz we're at the end times...it is time for US to choose...obama has nothing on his table but two options....option A: Iran option B: Israel...it's also up to american ppl. israel doesn't want peace. it's impossible to make peace between palestinians, arabs and Iran with Israel. it's all up to you..everyone must choose...option A or B...

[bobnjersey]

[nuke missles can't stop the army, nuke missles are just made for the mass killings]

a couple of tactical nuclear air bursts on an advancing army and on key infrastrucute will stop an army in it's tracks. after throwing a few hundred thousand ... or a few million of it's citizens in the path of such a horrendous death ... iranian nationalistic fervor will fade into the radiated wind.

the iranian 'ownership' of the middle east wont occur for another thousand years ... but who want it anyhow ... since it would be a wasteland.

a holocaust it will be ... and a pyrrhic victory for whomever is still standing.

[sgfb]

"Israel may just make it to kill millions of ppl in iran, but there will be no more israel and a real holocaust will happen"

'Real' Holocaust...

[4everfreeUSA]

So what does Israel do? Wait for Iran to take them off face of the earth. After all that is what Iran said they want do

[billards53]

There are over 20,000 nuclear warheads in the world today , the US has 9400 Russia has 13,000 , China Pakistan , France , India ,North Korea , Great Britian and Israel all possess as many as several hundred weapons . Iran with a weapon could be as dangerous as North Korea but if Israel strikes Iran first the release of large amounts of radioactive material could be a very serious matter . Nuking a nuclear facility is hopefully not an option being discussed . Diplomacy failed to prevent North Korea from becoming a member of the nuclear club and apparently failed to stop Irans nuclear aspirations . This is very troubling , it could lead to a general war .

[noloyalisti]

Israel is a terrorist state just like the United States. The worst kind of bully, always the victim, always have to "defend" themselves. Threaten and invade other countries with your superior weapons in "defense". Shame on these Nations of War and Terror.

[liptonlight1]

You are absolutely right. Israel and its lobby AIPAC are huge threats to world peace. If Israel, Iran's enemy is allowed to have WMD, there can be nothing wrong with Iran having WMD. They have to "defend themselves" as Israelis are fond of saying.

[stuart-johns2]

by bobnjersey October 20, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
[Just as a little side note. The Biblical Flood has been proven scientifically. Some archeologist and geologists determined through the study of places like the Grand Canyon and other deep fissures on Earth that there was indeed a flood that covered the earth at around the same time of the Biblical Flood. ]

just as a little side question ... what was it's cause?

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Well I did'nt want to go there really. That's a matter of faith for some. I was just commenting on the reason that other poster may have brought that into his argument.

But I am not interested in debating that on a blog or necessarily at all.

[bobnjersey]

[Well I did'nt want to go there really. That's a matter of faith for some. I was just commenting on the reason that other poster may have brought that into his argument.]

no doubt it's faith. but is faith fact ... or is faith what you need/use when you don't have the facts? the original poster presented it like it was an absolute ... a matter of fact. he knew exactly who wrote the book ... and who didn't. how does he know this?

is a myth factual ... or is it the thing you use when you can't really say for sure what is factual? more importanly ... does the myth need to be factual ... in order for it to convey it's meaning?

those who attempt to literally interpret what have been written in these texts are missing the point ... it's not a matter of fact ... it's that the stories convey meaning ... a meaning that provides context for your life in the presence of things that cannot otherwise be clearly explained.

[stuart-johns2]

Game Plan: If Israel Strikes Iran First


I wonder. What part of this scenario is a GAME?

[wdh3007]

Israel is no joke they have good intel a strong millitary and many nuclear weapons they could have crippled Iran long ago but want U.S. security & support in doing so incase Russia & China were to ever object.

[puldr]

The warmongers will leave no stone unturned in their effort to create another conflict!

[noloyalisti]

Wald is a sick military killer of babies. What a sick, twisted puppy. How much does he feel we need to kill to protect the US corporate masters.

[AOCGUY]

Clearly you neither know Gen Wald nor have read the article with any critical thinking skills. My guess is that you consider anyone who choses to serve thier country as a [sic] baby killer.

This article in no way suggested that Gen Wald sought an Israeli first attack. He simply stated that he saw as most likely should Israel launch a preemptive strike (which I would not support without overwhelming eveidence of an empending Iranian strike against Israel) that the US would most likely support its ally against a regieme that has supported attacks against US interest for 30 years.

[cinoti]

First, let us stop spending money we don't have. Wars are expensive
in "Blood" and "Treasure" Second,the logic is more or less as follows:
You and your neighbor are having loud arguments. He buys a gun. There
fore you are entitled to shoot him at the first opportunity. That logic
does not fly very far. And you would be found guilty of murder.
And where and when does preemptive murder stop? A better way is to
make sure Iran understands the consequences, of any attack on Israel.
Israel will have many many more "nukes" that Iran for many decades
and would not hesitate to use them on all of Iran's major cities, if
a war ensued. We all have to find a better way! Hopefully a way
that does not involve American "Blood" and "Treasure"!

[ShervinT]

LOL, israel is a joke , you remember Iran - Iraq war? 150 countries plus US and USSR supported iraq with anything they had, but Iran won. it's like they defeated whole the world. and what about today? this Iran isn't that Iran 20 years ago...they will bomb US if US bomb Iran. they can make anyone payback. israel is just trying to say" ohhh.. we are strong too...we may attack Iran wowwowo LOL" Israel would **** if a war happens...that's why some jews are already leaving israel...plus israel hates to hear that...Iran will never waste time on israel. Iran has hizbollah, a non classic military force in south lebanon. they're arming hizbollah as we speak right about now. hizbollah's missles will fall on israel like rain. israel doesn't have a friend in middle east. israel won't stand a chance...poor thing...US is looking too weak against Iran, they're using taliban and alqaeda to fight Iran...IRGC can prove that Taliban and alqaeda have the support from pakistan , US and UK. how come they say KSA supports alqaeda in iraq while KSA and USA are so friendly in the back. this is just a big show against Iran...well Iran knows how to dance. alqaeda and taliban become what US always said and lied about Iran. but Iran never was and never will be.if US or Israel feel like they can beat IR army and IRGC one day...they won't waste time even for one sec...but they know they can't. they're going to understand that there is not free oil in Iran .....unlike iraq...when 911 happenned bush screamed: " HURRA, FREE OIL , LET'S GO " surely two crackhead arabs cannot cross the US anti aircrafts with two fault planes... Iran will be the winnder of this battlefield, obama came with "change, means idiot power(bush) changes to smart power" but they didn't know Iran been using smart power for 30 years..lol. i think there will no wars...

[noloyalisti]

We really must be the most stupid nation on earth if we are going to continue to listen to the neo cons, the military, Israel's leaders and the frightened, violent GOP.

[noloyalisti]

The United States is the terrorist nation, either financing or performing murder in 4 countries as we speak. And anyone should listen to us why? We also have a government that has nuclear weapons and is run by religious extremists. Iran has the right to defend itself from right wing wackos!

[armyoftwelve]

If you think this country is so bad...LEAVE!

[cbsblogger]

Quote: Makovsky asked General Wald to comment on the suggestion by Jimmy Carter's former national security advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski - in a Daily Beast interview last month - that the U.S. shoot down Israeli warplanes if they try to fly over Iraq to attack Iran.

"The chance of that," Wald replied, "is zero - no, less than zero."
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That's eerily reminiscent of the June 8, 1967 sneak attack by Israeli planes on the USS Liberty in international waters, where our US military was prevented from engaging these Israeli aircraft. The USA is most definitely a victimized toadie of Israel and Americans have permitted it to happen. It is not in our national interests to permit Israel to go after Iran and create an oil shortage. If it does - be 100% certain that Goldman Sachs will have had advance notification and will make billions of profits on the oil market futures.

[EstherHaman]

"The chance of that," Wald replied, "is zero - no, less than zero."
Well, I guess there is only one way to find out. Any Zionists wants to try it?!I have $100 that says you be flaming toast..

[wyodutch]

Wondeeful idea!
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Israel and her American toadie can carve up Iran just like Stalin and Hitler sneak-attacked, invaded and divided Poland.

[armyoftwelve]

You forgot that the UK and the USSR subdvivided Iran during WWII.

[Turbidite]

Is Wald contemplating a coup d'etat here in the USA? Is he the new spokesman for U.S. foreign and military policy? What does the White House say about this apparent disregard for the Commander-in-Chief's authority?

[jwesel1]

White House knows that opinions of people on Faux News are not worth the airwaves they are sent on.

[AOCGUY]

Gen Wald has been retired since 2003. As such he can speak his mind without the approval of this or any previous administration. He can speak with a certain level of authority since he was the commander of 9thAF/CENTAF from Jan 2000 to November 2001, and was the air boss during our initial strikes on Afghanistan.

That said CBS, home come you couldn't find a more recent picture? The pic you have posted was circa 1998/99 when he was a two star.

[Awamori_Shochu]

The US invasion to Iraq has destroyed the balance in the Middle East and finally led to a nuclear Iran, which appears to be not only a big trouble for Israel, but for the whole region.