Sen. Baucus: Dems Will Unite on Health

Finance Committee Chair Predicts Party Will Unanimously Approve Reform Bill; Attract "At Least One Republican"

(AP)  When it comes time to vote, every Democrat in the Senate - and perhaps more than one Republican - will support legislation overhauling the nation's health care system, the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee predicted Thursday.

That assertion by Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., was a notable show of confidence coming in the midst of negotiations with Majority Leader Harry Reid and White House officials to finalize legislation that can satisfy liberal Democrats without alienating moderates - and get the 60 votes needed to advance in the 100-seat Senate.

Baucus told reporters that lawmakers have a moral obligation to repair the health care system to rein in costs and extend coverage to millions of the uninsured.

"And that is why we are going to pass health care reform legislation this year, and it is why every Democrat will vote for it, and it is why there will be at least one Republican and maybe a couple more who also will vote for it," Baucus said.

"Every Democrat will vote for national health care reform," Baucus emphasized.

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Democrats control 60 Senate votes, but that includes two independents, and leaders have been uncertain of support from a number of moderates who've expressed concerns about the price tag of health care legislation and the government's role in a remade system.

Baucus' prediction followed approval by his committee earlier this week of a 10-year, $829 billion bill that makes numerous changes to the health care system along the lines sought by President Obama, but taking a more centrist approach than the other four health care bills approved by House and Senate committees.

Baucus and Reid met Thursday with White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and other officials wrestling to merge the Finance bill with a more liberal version passed by the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee.

Reid later held out hope of getting support from more Republicans than just Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, who was the lone GOP "yes" vote in the Finance Committee.

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Unanswered is whether Reid will include provisions in the bill to allow the government to sell insurance in competition with private industry. That so-called public plan is supported by liberals, who spoke up in favor of it at a closed-door Senate Democratic caucus meeting Thursday.

But because of opposition from moderate Senate Democrats, any public plan Reid does include likely would be some type of compromise, such as leaving the decision on a public plan to states or offering public coverage only as a backstop in areas where one insurer has a lock on the market - the approach favored by Snowe.

Reid said, "We're going to work very hard ... to see what, if anything, we're going to do" on a government plan.

"I favor a public option. Everyone knows that," Reid added.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., mounted a strong defense of a public plan at a news conference, contending that recent attacks from the health insurance industry should dispel any doubts about the need for it.

"Our House bill will have a public option," Pelosi declared.

She referred to an industry-funded study that said insurance premiums would rise under the Senate Finance bill, and also referenced an insurance industry ad campaign targeted at seniors.

The speaker has been on the attack against health insurers for months, but the latest developments clearly strengthened her resolve to make them pay. She also said the House was considering adding to its health care bill a $6.7 billion annual fee on insurance companies that is part of the Senate Finance package.

The design of the public plan in the House bill remains unsettled. However, the stronger version favored by liberals - one that would use reimbursement rates to providers based on Medicare rates - may be gaining favor.

A spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans said in response to Pelosi's comments that "the American people want policy makers to pursue reforms that are in the best interest of the country, not as retaliation for speaking out about rising health care costs."

Spokesman Robert Zirkelbach also reiterated concerns about the government option, which the insurance industry and other business groups contend could drive private insurers out of business because they wouldn't be able to compete with the weight of the federal government.

Democratic leaders in the House and Senate are aiming to finalize their bills in time to begin floor debate in each chamber within weeks, though likely not this month. Mr. Obama wants to sign a bill this year.

Overall, the legislation would carry a price tag around $900 billion over 10 years, require most people for the first time to purchase insurance, provide subsidies to help lower-income people do so, and put new requirements on insurance companies to prevent them from charging much more to older people or denying coverage to people with pre-existing medical conditions.

Mr. Obama will aim to rally support for the overall effort Tuesday by appearing in a live Web cast to be shown at house parties organized by his backers.

[Void_Master]

by stuart-johns2 October 16, 2009 6:01 AM EDT

They are wasting their extremtist, fanatical time. There is nothing un-lawful about it at all. You'll get nowhere. You and the rest like you such as the birthers are the tyrannists.

Your first order of business will be the same as the birthers end. I am so glad you nutcases are a minority in this country.

***

It's not *my* case. I'm not going to bother with a legal challenge. I am simply not going to comply with the law regarding a personal (health insurance) mandate. Nor will I pay any fines -- but then, I don't file tax returns. Also... I won't be leaving the country. I was born here and I'm going to live here -- my way.

Yep, guess that makes me pretty extreme. You got a problem with it?

[sjc_1]

While I do not think health care insurance is the same as car insurance, where there is a liability to other drivers, there IS a liability to society. If I choose to not have health care insurance, I can become a liability to society. A mandate makes sense if the insurance can not exclude, cap nor drop and is affordable.

[Mortarman29]

Why? Why should you become a liability to society if you dont have insurance?

[rocketjl]

Democrats still don't get it do they? It is not reforming helath care that bothers people. People are upset with what politicians want to put into law as components of health care reform.

Not to worry, they don't know what to do about health care, but they are well familiar with how to bribe another person to vote for what they want.

[payback108]

One word bankrupcty

[brian1920]

the more I find out what the Democrats are planning, the sicker I get. Their plan will dramatically raise costs on individuals, raise taxes, cut expenditures for MEDICARE by just telling doctors that the prices haver now changed, and will create a huge bloated government bureaucracy which will waste huge sums of money. I have never been so depressed about the future in y life. Elections are next year and control of the house must be taken away from these people before they bankrupt the country.

[Void_Master]

I have been talking against the individual mandate ever since I first heard of such an act of tyranny becoming law in the United States. But it seems to be the *only* thing that either party can agree on. They all keep telling us that a mandate is the only way to spread the risk and therefore the only way any kind of health care reform can work.

Well, I already know of at least one group who will challenge the constitutionality of said mandate the day that crap becomes law. Supposedly their first order of business will be to seek an injunction against its enforcement until a final ruling is handed down.

[stuart-johns2]

They are wasting their extremtist, fanatical time. There is nothing un-lawful about it at all. You'll get nowhere. You and the rest like you such as the birthers are the tyrannists.

Your first order of business will be the same as the birthers end. I am so glad you nutcases are a minority in this country.

[chevyhotrod]

stuart-john,
You are the extremist; your projection onto others is obvious. You are the tyrannist, I will to be free to choose what health care I would prefer for my family and not allow our government to make that choice for me. You are the nutcase, not I. We are not the minority, you are and you know it because you think you have to keep reminding us that we are.

The statement below, do they represent liberty or tyranny?

Are they said by an extremist or patriot?

-An honest man can feel no pleasure in the exercise of power over his fellow citizens.

-A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

-Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.

Thomas Jefferson, 3rd president of US (1743 - 1826)

[Mortarman29]

Be careful...to Stuart, Jefferson was an extremist!

[tmittelstaed]

As a Democrat, all I can say to the Republicans out there opposed to this is give it a try. God knows we gave all your pet projects a try, from repealing Glass-Segal, to invading Afghanistan and Iraq, to giving a tax break to the rich. It's only fair now that you have had your chance to try the things you want, for us to try the things we want. If we screw it up, you get back in power and can erase all of them, just like when you screwed up with your projects, we got in power and are erasing your screwups now.

Or, are you simply afraid that 8 years from now, the Health Reform plan will be more successful than any of your initatives?

[brian1920]

exactly what government program can you point to that has ever been successful in an economic sense? NONE, because there aren't any. MEDICARE, according to Obama, has $600B in fraud. What company could tolerate this level of incompetent management? This is about vote buying and enslaving people with another entitlement program. It is about trying to buy 30M votes so the Dems can be in power. It will cost $2T more in tax payer money to help the Dems buy the votes but they don't care.

[eightsigma]

Medicare fraud needs to be cleaned up. This doesn't in any way diminish the need for Medicare. Government is a human endeavour. Did anyone ever promise you it would be perfect? We recognize our duty as a society to take care of each other, and then work to do it as best we can.

[nor-one]

Why do you still care what the republicans think? The democrates have gutted their original plan, kissed as, and all but adopted the republican minority. All in order to get one old bag to "almost" sign on to a watered down version of what the majority of americans want! They want what the rest of the industrialized world has -- health care without going bankrupt, and being at the mercey of greedy HMO's. ENOUGH ALREADY! The ell with them, just pass the bill you know the people want. Time for Reid and Pelosi to either show a backbone or step down.

[helloall34]

There are always going to be some who steal and cheat in any business/industry. It is certainly not isolated to government backed programs. Our recent history shows us that. There are always laws and safeguards in place to prevent it (from private industry or government), but unfortunately where there is money there will always be theft. This shouldn't prevent us from moving forward.

[babooph]

Forcing more victims into the crooked insurance scam& twisting it so public tax $$$ get funneled into private ins ??Of course the lobbied[bribed] politicians will"come together " for it.

[kenhamlett]

Unless there have been some serious changes in the past few days the Senate bill is just a waste of time. The House has had a better idea of what is needed for some time but even the last version of that needed some work. I do think the House can come up with a realistic solution. It will just take a while for everyone to realize that the goal is to improve the lives of the citizens, not to entrap them in another money making scheme for the insurance companies.
The bottom line is that a law will be passed but it should not be the bill the Senate is pushing.

[stuart-johns2]

Well, you can rest assured the final bill will not be the Senate Finance version. And I have been saying all along that the dems will unite when push comes to shove. It would be political suicide not to. I don't feel the final version will please everyone but oh well.