Oct. 18, 2009

H1N1: Most Dangerous To Young People

60 Minutes: Swine Flu is Spreading Fast Before the Start of Traditional Flu Season

  • Play CBS Video Video Swine Flu: H1N1

    Scott Pelley reports on the H1N1 flu - which is increasingly targeting young, healthy people - and how the government plans to fight the flu pandemic.

  • Video "Uncharted Territory"

    Dr. Anne Schuchat of the Centers for Disease Control is seeing much more flu than usual at this time of year.

  • Video Saving Luke

    Stricken by the H1N1 virus, 15-year-old Luke Duvall battles for his life at the Arkansas Children's Hospital, with his parents Belinda and Chad Duvall by his side.

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(CBS)  If you're confused about the 2009 H1N1 "swine flu" virus, no wonder. There's a lot of conflicting information. The Centers for Disease Control tells us that the way this virus is spreading is unprecedented.

The CDC opened its doors to give 60 Minutes and correspondent Scott Pelley a look at the extraordinary federal response. It turns out, in many respects, that the 2009 H1N1 virus is no worse than the everyday flu.

Ninety-nine percent of the people who get it suffer just a few miserable days at home. But it is also true that for something less than one percent, H1N1 can be fatal. And many of them are the last people you'd expect to see rushing to an emergency room.

CDC: Learn More About H1N1
CDC: What To Do If You Get Sick
Flu.gov: Where To Get Your Flu Shots

On Oct. 7, 15-year-old Luke Duvall landed at Arkansas Children's Hospital in Little Rock. His life was slipping away. Luke was on a ventilator, not breathing on his own.

Dr. Michele Moss suspected H1N1. She had already lost one patient to the virus. "He's extremely fragile right now. His blood pressure is very tenuous and could go down at any second. So he's a very, very sick young man," she explained.

Luke had been perfectly healthy before. He had broken a state record in weightlifting. After a football game on Friday, Luke got sick.

His parents Belinda, a school teacher and Chad, a pastor, worried about H1N1 so they called their doctor.

"We were not able to get into the doctor until Monday, Monday afternoon about 2:30," Luke's father remembers.

Asked why, Chad Duvall told Pelley, "There's just so much of the flu around that by the time we were able to get a hold of the doctor Monday morning and get an appointment, it was that late in the day before they could actually even just get us in."

The family says the doctor sent Luke home to take medicine to control a fever of 103 and he started to improve.

His father remembers that they thought Luke was getting better. "And he actually said, 'I feel better. I think I’m going to get a shower now.' In the five minutes it took for him to go from the shower he came out and said, 'Something's wrong. I can't breathe.' His color had gone from normal pink to just grey in that five minutes, he was panting like a dog, just really fighting for his breath. At that point, it was no longer 'Do we go to the ER or wait ‘til tomorrow?' Now it's 'We have to call 911 and get an ambulance to get him right now,'" Chad Duvall remembers.

At the local hospital, doctors decided Luke needed to fly to Arkansas Children's Hospital, with one of the nation's newest pediatric intensive care centers. Before the helicopter got there, Luke's football coach Charlie Sorrels rushed to see him.

"And he stuck his head in just before they put him to sleep and he said, 'Luke I just want to you know that I'm here for you and I'm gonna stay 'til your gone.' And he looked over and he said, 'Coach I can't play Friday night,'" Luke's father remembered. "And the coach said 'That's alright boy. I got you covered.' So that was the last words he said - it's Luke you know, 'Coach I can't play Friday night.' And so, you know, he's a fighter."

Luke was tested for H1N1. It would be hours before they would know.

But reports of his case and others like it were pouring into the emergency operations center of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta.

Rear Admiral Anne Schuchat is the CDC's chief health officer in the war on H1N1. When 60 Minutes first met her two weeks ago, she showed us the virus was widespread in 27 states. When we saw her again last Thursday, things had changed.

"We think the virus is virtually everywhere in the country. Quite a lot of illness, hospitalizations, and deaths," she explained.

Asked what that tells her, Rear Adm. Schuchat told Pelley, "It's only October and we're seeing really uncharted territory. Typically, in the month of October, we would not have seen so much influenza. We would not see the whole country with widespread disease. That's something that we often will see in February."

The numbers are remarkable: last year, in the second week of October, there were seven cases reported. The same week this year there were nearly 5,000. By this time last year there were 7 deaths; today there are 885.

You can trace the jump to two things: because the virus is new, more people lack immunity and H1N1 never went away in the summer as flu usually does.

Asked who is most at risk, Schuchat told Pelley, "Children and young adults, pregnant women, people with chronic health conditions like asthma, diabetes, heart disease and neurologic problems, immune-suppression."

One of the most unusual things is the higher number of kids who are ill: usually, an average of 66 children die in a flu season; this year, it is 86, so far, with seven months to go.

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Produced by Michael Radutzky, David Gelber and Sam Hornblower
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by GinaKorn October 25, 2009 11:09 PM EDT
Our daughter Molly, age 14 and a half, has a remarkably similar story to sweet Luke Duvall. She plays varsity volleyball and club soccer, is 5-10 and as strong as an ox. She is rarely sick. She came down with what seemed like a mild flu on Weds. October 7 .I knew she would get the flu as her teammates seemed to be getting it and she had roomed with two who came down with something at a tournament where they shared a motel room. She had a low grade fever, body aches, and a sore throat, but she was still able to cook for herself while I went to work and she stayed home. By Friday night, things started to change and her breathing felt worse and she felt her heart racing. Urgent care saw her and gave her Tamiflu , prednisone, said she most likely had the H1N1 and to go home and rest. By Sunday morning, she was coughing up bloody mucous, lying on the floor and gasping for air. We rushed her to the ER where a chest xray showed bilateral pneumonia. She was severely deheydrated, her heart rate was 160 and she was admitted. By midnight, she was rushed to the ICU with intentions to be intubated and put in a chest tube . She avoided that but was on bipap, and in the ICU for 6 days. She worsened and then had surgery to insert a chest tube and do Video Assisted Thoracic Surgery to remove almost 2 liters of infected fluid and gunk which had leaked from the lungs into the chest cavity. That relieved her every breath. She has lost 17 pounds and is still in the hospital on day 17.She just moved from the ICU to the pediatric floor. She is learning to walk again, to eat, to breathe on her own, and will be on IV antibiotics for weeks to come. She is going to make it, thanks be to God, but it is going to be a long recovery. She is a fighter, just like Luke and our prayers are with him and his family. My heart goes out to them as I sit with Molly in her hospital room here in California. I cannot wait to hear about both of these kids back on the field or court again someday! Oh, and most of her team did get some version of the flu, but did not have the bad luck of getting the secondary bacterial infection of MRSA Staph in the lungs as Molly did. Now their coach has them all carry antibacterial wipes or gel in their sports bags and use them immediately after practice. Thank you for sharing our children's stories and the reality of this flu and its devastating secondary infections to otherwise vibrant, athletic young people!
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by josefatony October 22, 2009 9:26 AM EDT
Check out this link that includes 2 videos to two 60 Minutes episodes regarding Swine Flu. The first video is to the episode about Luke aired this month (my thoughts are with Luke and his family). The second video is to an episode aired in 1977.
http://www.livewellamerica.org/blog/?paged=2
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by panseyv October 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
The 60 minutes segment on Swine Flu makes it sound like those before 1950 are pretty safe from getting the flu. I know 3 people that got it including my mother who is 70. My nephew in law has been in ICU a week now, he is about 58 years old. With pneumonia in his lungs...I wonder how accurate that comment is.
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by mollydtt October 20, 2009 3:28 PM EDT
For those that think they should wait 10 years to get an H1N1 vaccination (in order to be sure that it is safe)--just remember that it is just a flu vaccine. People have been getting flu vaccines for a very long time.
The only reason this strain wasn't included in the seasonal flu vaccine is that it appeared after the deadline for deciding which 3 strains were to be included in this year's seasonal vaccine.
And, remember that it takes a long lead time from start to finish to actually produce the vaccine. That is why they include 3 strains. Months and months earlier, no one knows definitively which ones are going to be prevalent in the Fall. Too bad H1N1 wasn't around then.
So 10 years from now, that H1N1 flu vaccine won't be the least bit necessary. But then it will be considered "safe" by those that don't understand.
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by sixtyminutes October 20, 2009 9:17 PM EDT
Perhaps you may like to ask for a disclosure as to what is in the vaccine. it is synthetically manufactured by the pharmaceutical companies to 'make money'. There is nothing 'safe' about them.
by brandonRNicu October 27, 2009 2:46 AM EDT
To sixtyminutes. You should understand that part of the reason why vaccines are usually limited in supply is that they are NOT money makers for pharmaceutical companies. Simply put, the patented, new drugs that pharmeceutical companies market(and don't offer a generic) are where they make their money.
Also, they are a much safer than risking getting a potentially lethal flu and risk spreading it to your family & friends.
by ebeeks October 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT
I am not claiming to be an expert and my husband (who is active duty and will have to get it) and I have been debating on giving our children the H1N1 vaccine have decided to do it. My thoughts are this, there has not been any know side affects as of yet and my understanding is many people have gotten it since October 5 when it came out. If I have been given evidence that it has harmful side effects then I would re-think my decision. What I have been seeing is the amount of sickness and death from this flu and as a parent I AM NOT prepared to lose my child to the flu, especially if there is a vaccine that can prevent it from happening.
My children are 4 and 3. They are in daycare and not only do I want to protect them, I want to protect the children they come in contact with daily. Its my obligation as a parent to do so! We have also gotten our children the flu shot that comes out every year and they have not had the flu. My oldest one may have had the flu considering he got sympotoms of fever,cold like symptoms and complained his head hurt alot. I didn't have him tested, I just kept him home and took care of him. So maybe he did have it and he is now immuned. I also came down with very similar symptoms and I am positive I had the flu. Swine Flu, I am not sure since I didn't get tested either. But I haven't gotten a flu shot in years and I realized I need to take better care of myself!
I also want to point out that there are many different strains of the flu and many vaccines have been made according to each strain. Each year they "pick" which vaccine to mass produce according to which one they "think" will be the strain for that year. Sometimes they are right, sometimes they are wrong. It seems that they were able to identify what they were dealing with when the H1N1 first outbreaks took place then produced a vaccine for it according to the particular strain. It wasn't a guessing game as to what to produce.
The most important thing for me is to keep my family healthy. It doesn't mean my decision is the right one, I just feel its the right one for our family.
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by weiskraut October 19, 2009 7:44 PM EDT
One thing to remember is that with this pandemic flu, people with a compromised immune system are another group that is especially at risk, no matter how old they are. And many nutritional supplements that may be helpful for the common flu will prolong, or make the pandemic flu worse.
This website: www.acu-cell.com lists many of these supplements.
One can also download the list at www.acu-cell.com/flu-remedies.rtf
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by terry72118 October 19, 2009 7:31 PM EDT
Dear mr Knoxville_voice_of_reason.Most of the time I would agree with you, but you are way off on this boy. I have been very close to Luke for the last 8 years . This is a real country boy. I have seen him helping his dad plant the garden and get honey from the bee hives. I have seen him in mud up to his waist digging his 4 wheeler out where he had gotten stuck when riding it in the mud. He is an avid hunter and fisher man. He traps beavers all by himself and I have seen him swimming in the creek many times. He has a 4. 0 grade point average and he is not a nerd. He is an all star in football and baseball. He is just an all around great young man any parent would love to have. There is a Facebook page with many pics of Luke being a NORMAL boy. This is why 60 minutes did this story so people can see that H1N1 can be very dangerous to some NORMAL kids. His grandmother has started a web site to keep people updated on Luke?s recovery. www.lukeduvall.org my e mail is terry72118@yahoo.com if you would like to ask me any questions.
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by terry72118 October 19, 2009 7:31 PM EDT
Dear mr Knoxville_voice_of_reason.Most of the time I would agree with you, but you are way off on this boy. I have been very close to Luke for the last 8 years . This is a real country boy. I have seen him helping his dad plant the garden and get honey from the bee hives. I have seen him in mud up to his waist digging his 4 wheeler out where he had gotten stuck when riding it in the mud. He is an avid hunter and fisher man. He traps beavers all by himself and I have seen him swimming in the creek many times. He has a 4. 0 grade point average and he is not a nerd. He is an all star in football and baseball. He is just an all around great young man any parent would love to have. There is a Facebook page with many pics of Luke being a NORMAL boy. This is why 60 minutes did this story so people can see that H1N1 can be very dangerous to some NORMAL kids. His grandmother has started a web site to keep people updated on Luke?s recovery. www.lukeduvall.org my e mail is terry72118@yahoo.com if you would like to ask me any questions.
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by sixtyminutes October 19, 2009 4:39 PM EDT
Hello, Our family always enjoys 60 minutes. We have for many years. We were very disturbed to see the show last night about the H1N1 swine flu. Our heart goes out to the family of this young man. What made us very uncomfortable was the doctor who assured everyone that the swine flu vaccine is perfectly safe. A very broad statement to make. There was no information provided about the cases of people who have contracted swine flu and if they had had previous flu shots or had been immunized. We firmly believe that the pharmaceutical companies are out to make a lot of money on the fear that they are creating around the world. The medical system is completely backward in the way that they 'think' that all of these vaccines are the answer. Our family will not be having any swine flu vaccine or any other synthetically manufactured products injected into our bodies. Prevention is the best measure. Why do they never look at safer and more natural products. I guess there is no money in it.
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by buckiii1 October 19, 2009 11:06 AM EDT
FDA faces decision about use of peramivir for H1N1
Robert Roos News Editor


Oct 15, 2009 (CIDRAP News) ? In response to questions from citizens at a meeting yesterday, a Food and Drug Administration (FDA) official said the agency would make a decision "fairly soon" about permitting emergency use of the experimental antiviral drug peramivir to help patients severely ill with pandemic H1N1 influenza.

The FDA has been reviewing a possible emergency use authorization (EUA) for peramivir, which, like the licensed drugs oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza), is a neuraminidase inhibitor. Peramivir can be given intravenously (IV) or intramuscularly (IM), whereas oseltamivir is taken orally and zanamivir is inhaled as a powder.

During a public teleconference of the National Biodefense Science Board (NBSB) yesterday, Aubrey Miller of the FDA Office of Counterterrorism was asked to comment on the status of the FDA's review of an EUA for peramivir for H1N1 patients. The NBSB is an advisory board to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

"There should be information or decisions being made fairly soon. That amongst other medical countermeasures are currently being evaluated by the agency," Miller said. "I don't have a specific time frame at this time, because things are under review."

Board members asked Miller for a status report after several people asked about peramivir during a public comment portion of the 2-hour meeting.

A man who identified himself as Paul Gordon of San Francisco asserted that there is "an incredible need" for an IV antiviral for patients in intensive care because of H1N1 flu. He noted that the drug can be used currently in individual patients under an emergency use investigational new drug (IND) procedure, but said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) Web site provides no information about this option. Gordon asserted that the drug has already "saved multiple individuals' lives."

Catherine Collier Kyroulis, a spokeswoman for BioCryst Pharmaceuticals, maker of peramivir, said today the company has had 20 requests from physicians to use the drug in H1N1 patients under the emergency-use IND rules. She said information on the outcomes of those cases was unavailable.

Physicians who want to use peramivir under the emergency IND rules must contact BioCryst for an evaluation of the case and then fill out an application, according to the company. The request also must go through the appropriate institutional review board (IRB), said Karen Riley, an FDA spokeswoman. The arrangements must be authorized by the FDA.

In September HHS asked BioCryst to submit a proposal to supply between 1,000 and 40,000 doses of peramivir under an EUA, the company reported on Sep 21. The HHS request for proposal did not guarantee that HHS would actually order the doses or issue an emergency authorization, the company said.

The NBSB heard comments and questions from two other people about peramivir during yesterday's teleconference.

A man who described himself as a concerned parent in Texas expressed impatience with the FDA. With the H1N1 vaccine not yet widely available and with severe cases occurring in children, he said, "To me it's unacceptable that FDA can't comment on this. BioCryst has been working with FDA since April on this. I don't understand what the holdup is."

Also, a man identifying himself as a teacher from Los Angeles wanted to know about a rumor that peramivir has been effective in hospitalized H1N1 patients.

NBSB members did not reply to the citizen questions other than by asking Miller for a status report on the FDA review.

The peramivir issue has come up at previous NBSB meetings. At a session on Aug 14, board members and citizens expressed concern about the lack of an IV or IM antiviral for flu patients and urged HHS officials to strongly consider issuing an EUA.

BioCryst is currently preparing to launch two phase 3 clinical trials of IV peramivir. In September the company received a $77.2 million HHS contract modification to complete phase 3 development. The company's original contract was a $102 million award in 2007.

"Based on the recent stats on number of H1N1 cases we would assume that patients with H1N1 will be included in the [phase 3] trials," said Kyroulis.
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by updatepls October 19, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
What is the status of Luke now? and will his status be updated here?
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by americanrevo October 19, 2009 6:18 PM EDT
I'm wondering the same thing...would like an update....
by terry72118 October 19, 2009 7:29 PM EDT
luke is doing better he is still in critical condition. visit www.lukeduvall.org to view updates. luke has been in the hospital for 13 days now.
by gsyoung3ezn October 19, 2009 9:12 AM EDT
Thank you '60 Minutes' for scaring me and my family half to death! I would gladly get my children the vaccine if I could find it. No one in my state (Iowa) will give the vaccine to children unless they have 'underlying medical conditions.' I am tired of hearing the CDC tell us to go get the vaccine--and then we can't get it!
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by akpals October 19, 2009 1:50 PM EDT
Where are you in Iowa? Wright County Public Health ( Northern IA) just had a free H1N1 clinic that you could get you child's vaccine. Have you called your public health office? I was told by our pediatric clinic that no clinics will be getting the vaccine, only your public health department will have them.
by Robinc13 October 19, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
EXCUSE me?! I had a SICK child.....no one wants to talk about the SWINE flu where we live. No one will treat then for the flu. No one will test for any confirmation...How then are ANY numbers tracking any of it accurate? They are NOT!!!! Wake up BeLogical! And do just what your code name states! Get a clue! It was my child! We are lucky that after 6 hours of IV fluids, which he should have never needed had any of PAs or Docs we saw listened to a word either my husband or I spoke of! Anti-virals...don't exist for most folks, Swine flu vaccine? Where is it????
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by wklawonn October 19, 2009 6:10 AM EDT
Have Luke's ICU doctors considered obtaining peramivir (an intravenous antiviral) under an E IND from the FDA. The two readily available antivirals are Tamiflu (which is available only as an oral) and Relenza (which is inhaled). Inhaled Relenza is often not a good choice for ICU patients because they have difficulty breathing. Tamiflu has two issues, the first is that some strains of H1N1 have developed resistance, and the second (more important) issue is that there may be difficulty in getting the patient to ingest sufficient quantities to address the infection rapidly. Severe bacterial infections are addressed with intravenous antibioptiocs, and the same should be the case with severe viral infections, but there is only one antiviral available for intravenous administration: peramivir. However, peramivir has only completed Phase II clinical trials in the US, but it has completed Phase III's in Japan. The saftey and efficacy results from all of these trials is pretty compelling so far. Indeed the US government just provided $77 million to support the conduct of Phase III's in the US. Nevertheless, because the drug has not completed Phase III's in the US and has not been given final approval by he FDA (which may be a year or more away), it is available for very sick patients under an E IND, but it is a cumbersome process requiring the concerned ICU doctor to make an individual application for each patient, and many ICU docs are either unaware of this potential life saver or just don't want to go through the hassle of making the E IND application. The FDA is also "very close" to making a decision on whether to make peramivir more widely and readily available to ICU docs for use in the very sick under an "emergency use authorization" or EUA. Unlike the EUAs that have been issued for certain vaccines, the EUA for peramivir would likely only authorize its use in those already seriously ill.

The EUA process for peramivir has been going on for some six months, and that delay bears investigation. Why has an "emergency" authorization taken so long while people who might have benefitted from it are dying? Is this another instance of regulatory capture of the FDA by Big Pharma, who don't want competition in the antiviral market and who have spent a lot of cash rolling out the vaccines now being administered under EUA's that were issued much more quickly? Is it because the FDA devoted itself, publicly, to a mass immunization program with those EUA vaccines and fears that authorizing the emergency use of a potentially effective intravenous antiviral in ICU's might cause more people to avoid the vaccines? Something there worth investigating I'd say.
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by JDBarnes123 October 19, 2009 12:03 AM EDT
There is nowhere to get the swine flu vaccination that we can find.
You posted on your show that we could go to your site here to find info as to where we can get these vaccinations. No one here seems to know. So, bottom line, what is the real story with this vaccination availablity? Maybe that should have been your story!
I have 2 daughters ages 19 and 21. I am very concerned for their health!
When you put an alarming story that threatens life of our children on your broadcast you darn well better be able to back up your story with information as to how we can protect ourselves!!
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by habusteve October 18, 2009 11:47 PM EDT
The media in this country is so irresponsible on their reporting its sad.The swine flu hasnt and will not even come close to being an epidemic.This has been played out countless times in our history and every time the epidemic has not amounted to anywhere near what they said it would.Better nutrition and better hygiene has always proven to be more effective then vaccines.Because of abuse of drugs and vaccines we now have created drug resistant staff infections.Too much a good thing starts to backfire after years of abuse and lies to make money!!
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by techperson October 19, 2009 12:56 PM EDT
The swine flu officially became an epidemic in the week ended October 3, according to the Centers for Disease Control.
by jrangel317 October 18, 2009 9:43 PM EDT
I first send thoughts and prayers to Luke and family. I am a Nursing student and work in an ER here in town. I have just spent the last 6 days in la la land with my 6 yr old with the FLU. Was it the H1N1? Who knows. No one will swab for this and if they do there is a high percent that is false negative. This majority of the flu right now is the H1N1 because it is not time for the seasonal flu. Anyone that suspects a cold, starts to feel worse gets a fever ISOLATE yourself. It is the ones that do not isolate themselves that make it worse for everyone. Please take it serious. Whether you get the vaccine or not. Protect yourself from others. Do not be afraid to make an A$$ out of the person hacking all around you.
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by StopIdiocracy October 18, 2009 11:25 PM EDT
Am I the only one who is concerned with the fact that the doctor gave him medication to control the fever? Isn't the bodies whole purpose of a FEVER to kill the virus?? Then why are we treating FEVERS with temperature controlling drugs??? Is this not tantamount to creating the very conditions that allowed the VIRUS to prosper in the first place??? PLEASE people don't give away common sense to sillyness! Allow the FEVER to KILL the virus and watch you body do what it was created to do and for God's sakes if you know you are sick stop eating sugary foods and drinks and if you are wise you will take them out of your diet all together! And when fear and confusion are at their peak consider common sense solutions.
by wdk450 October 18, 2009 9:37 PM EDT
The CRUCIAL item CBS news left out is along with your flu vaccinations GET A PNEUMONIA SHOT!!!!! These are readily available. Pneumonia invades your respiratory system after the flu weakens your immunity, AND THE PNEUOMNIA DOES THE KILLING!!!
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by BeLogical October 18, 2009 9:43 PM EDT
I agree on the pneumonia shot, but both seasonal & swine flu shots are important as well. The deaths of 90% of persons dying from swine flu have no other infection.
by BeLogical October 18, 2009 9:36 PM EDT
People should be realistic. An individual can go anything they choose, but having a safe and effective vaccine is useul -- particularly for infants and young children, or older children with medical conditions. The reason to get vaccinated against swine flu is two-fold; one to protect yourself, two: to protect those around you including the infirm: young infants, elderly, people with chronic illness like leukemia, diabetes, asthma, lung disease. Healthy people should stop whining, and step up to the plate to help others.
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by sixtyminutes October 19, 2009 7:28 PM EDT
A lot of us stay healthy because we have 'looked' very carefully into the toxic side effects of the flu shot, and immunization. The young and elderly are getting sick because their immune systems are being destroyed and they have nothing left to fight with. The constant injection of toxic materials into the body comes at a great cost.
by arnol_ October 20, 2009 12:17 AM EDT
People ARE realistic, you are not. You carry on about saving the children, elderly, and on and on, and I give you the benefit of the doubt that you are sincere, but this is not an informed point of view. Just one example. Did you know that one can get infected from a contact with someone who had the nasal vaccine, which contains live virus, during the past 2 weeks? This could be especially dangerous to people with an immune deficiency, such as the leukemia patients you seem to care so much about. Most people do not know this, and how could they? And when Scott Pelley asked that woman, the admiral from CDC, are you absolutely sure it is safe, her reply was yes, absolutely. How irresponsible is that? Both what she said and that he did not challenge her on that.

Is it then surprising that there is so much distrust and suspicion of the government agencies and the drug companies that are pushing it on us?

And now guess what? A study done during 2007-2008 flu season found that the nasal live virus vaccine was LESS effective than the inactivated vaccine given as an injection(N Engl J Med. 2009;361:1260?1267) So why use the live virus vaccine when it's both dangerous, at least for some people, and less effective, for all, and dumping it on kids of all people? Whatever the reason, stupidity, corruption, it stinks.

When you lie and rely on scare tactics you lose credibility. This is the worst part of it. It's quite possible the virus is extremely dangerous, and that the vaccine is safe and effective, you just don't know.
by DavidSnieckus October 18, 2009 9:30 PM EDT
One Flaw of Administering Immunizations for the Upcoming Swine Flu Pandemic
NEWTON, Massachusetts, October 6, 2009: The one flaw is our approach. The Medical-Pharmaceutical industry has been promoting immunizations since the time of Louis Pasteur, a chemist from about 130 years ago who taught the ?germ theory of disease? and approaching the flu on the assumption that diseases are caused by microorganisms outside the cell or the body. The Medical-Pharmaceutical industry has been capitalizing on this theory by indoctrinating the general public in the belief that vaccinations are the best defense, the ?magic bullet? to guard us from disease. But for whose benefit?
In her book, Immunization: The Reality behind the Myth, Walene James states, ?When we place causation outside ourselves, we create vast armies of attackers and defenders, assailants and protectors. In the case of disease causation, our protectors are such things as vaccines, drugs, X-rays, and the like, and their administrators, medical practitioners. The possibilities for commercial exploitation are endless.? As exemplified in Massachusetts Senate Bill---S 2028.
Let us consider a better approach, a more holistic view, namely that of chemist, physician, naturalist and biologist Professor Pierre Jacque Antoine Bechamp, who, also about 130 years ago, taught the ?cellular theory of disease?. Bechamp taught that disease arises from microorganisms within the cells of the body. These intracellular microorganisms normally function to build tissue and assist in the metabolic processes of the body. They become pathogenic (disease-producing) bacteria as the health of the host organism deteriorates, hence becoming nature?s clean-up crew. In other words, bacteria reflect the conditions in which they find themselves rather than create those conditions. It is the deteriorated condition of the host organism therefore that is the primary causal agent of disease.
Since disease develops due to unhealthy conditions, it follows that to prevent disease we have to create health. To create health, we must change and optimize our body chemistry. We must eat biologically correct foods.
It is well known by those well-versed in natural therapies that if the body were maintained in an alkaline condition, this would ?immunize? a person against infectious diseases. ?Using alkaline-forming foods in one?s diet is what keeps the body alkaline and is the means of preventing disease?, says David Snieckus of EVERYDAY HEALTH.
This can be accomplished by learning how to select, prepare and eat food fit for human health. Foods like whole grains, vegetables, and plant-based protein like beans, tempeh, and tofu along with a small amount of a good quality sea salt. Sea salt is the least expensive and most versatile alkalizing element to act as a defense against any flu: virus or germ.
David Snieckus
99 Crescent Street
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Antoine Bechamp, from whose research Pasteur plagiarized whatever he thought was useful, came up with an interesting point of view that has never been refuted. Bechamp discovered tiny organisms he called "microzymas" which are present in all things - animal, vegetable, and mineral, whether living or dead. Depending upon the condition of the host, these microzymas could assume various forms. Bad bacteria and viruses were simply the forms assumed by the microzymas when there was a condition of disease. In a diseased body, the microzymas became pathological bacteria and viruses. In a healthy body, microzymas formed healthy cells. When a plant or animal died, the microzymas lived on. To this day, the whole theory of microzymas has never been disproved.

AND read these:
From Gary Null:
http://www.garynull.com/SwineFluWhitePaper.pdf
http://www.garynull.com/articles/vaccines/ShamVaccine.pdf
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by BeLogical October 18, 2009 10:10 PM EDT
Agree that eating healthy food, getting plenty of rest, and adequate exercise are all important. But they do not produce immunity to a virus like swine flu. Lack of immunity can be fixed by getting vaccinated: this protects you, and others. Right now, high risk groups have a priority: pregnant women, young children or those caring for infants (too young to be vaccinated), and persons with cancer, leukemia, asthma, who don't have normal immunity. Take your salt, and I hope it works -- but by December, get vaccinated so you don't spread the disease to others who aren't as lucky as you and others who are healthy.
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