KHOST, Afghanistan, Oct. 15, 2009
Child Bombers - Afghan War's Latest Weapon
The Road Ahead: Children are Being Trained - Or Tricked - Into Becoming Terrorists
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Play CBS Video Video Suicide Bombs by Women, Teens Pakistan's military has been gearing up for a new offensive against the Taliban. But the militants struck first with a series of attacks, killing at least 39 people. Richard Roth reports.
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Video Terrorism Training for Kids The Taliban in Afghanistan is recruiting children, some as young as 7, to train in warfare. Mandy Clark reports on this disturbing new tactic for the CBS series "Afghanistan: The Road Ahead."
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Afghan children are used as weapons by the Taliban and al-Qaeda. (CBS)
Boys as young as 7 years old have to be held by an adult to withstand the recoil of an AK-47 as they are trained by the Taliban and al Qaeda.
Other children aren't trained but tricked into carrying bombs.
CBS News Special Report: The Road Ahead
"I lost my leg," 11-year-old Eidullah says, "I'm angry because we were not guilty of anything."
Eidullah was asked by the Taliban to deliver a fruit basket to a local commander who was cooperating with U.S. forces. Hidden in the basket was a bomb. However, the commander wasn't hurt because the bomb exploded prematurely -- maiming Eidullah and injuring his eight friends.
Some of their lives were saved by American surgeons at a nearby military hospital. Doctors say they are seeing more children involved in bombings.
"It shows the lengths that al Qaeda will go to and the indifference that they have to these pure kids," said Lt. Col. Benjamin Kam, an orthopedic surgeon.
The children recruited by the Taliban and al Qaeda are often willingly sent to the terror camps by their parents. The promise of free food, shelter and education for their sons is too difficult to turn down.
But the children who were tricked face a lifetime of painful procedures to treat their wounds.
Nine-year-old Mohammad had a nerve in his leg severed in the blast.
"Unfortunately he will lose function in this section of his leg. He'll eventually have to have it amputated," said Dr. Scott Russi, chief of surgery at Shamrock Combat Hospital.
Out of the nine children injured, two lost limbs, one lost sight. All of their lives will be forever altered.
Eleven-year-old Bachmaner was one of the lucky ones. He only suffered a broken leg. He wishes he could go back to his old life. "We all used to play soccer," he says, "now we can't walk without pain."
It's not childhood games that Eidullah is worried about now. His father is blind and as the oldest son, tradition demands that he take care of his family. Now, he doubts he can.
He, like hundreds of other children, are caught up in a war they had no expectation of fighting.
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by USMC-Mom October 14, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
"They are NOT heroes"
What? Are you nuts.
You people who don't support our troops either have no heart or your on drugs.
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by finkfust October 15, 2009 8:19 AM EDT
You didn't answer me before, so I'll try a specific person this time - Is Lynndie England a hero?
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No, Fink, she is not based on what I read about the details of her trial and conviction. We hold our troops accountable for their actions. Can you say and defend the terrorist the same way?
Answer this me Fink one by one YES or NO, I have answered you.
Is CPT Ben Sklaver's a hero?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1930683,00.html?xid=yahoo-featxid=yahoo-feat
Is SFC Jarard Monti a hero?
http://whitehouse.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/09/17/medal-of-honor-ceremony-remarks/
Is SSG William "Billy" R. Neil a hero?
http://blog.nj.com/njwardead/2008/03/army_staff_sgt_william_r_neil.html
Read their stories Fink and get a better appreciation of those who serve others and not themselves.
These names are just 3 examples that represent the hundreds of thousands of service men and woman who represent America's most precious resource and believes in a better world! - Reply to this comment
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- No fink I do not agree with you. What she was referring to was those who serve with dignity, honor and respect. But you know nothing about that because you do not have those qualities in you.
- Fink,
That is because any person with common understanding (and sense)of what she is posting can draw the conclusion, that, she does not anyway refer to those as hero's who dishonor the uniform while serving.
I find it very hypocritical you posted "Is Lynndie England a hero", knowing what she meant. Then, in the same context of your question, completely act like you where totally in disbelief someone would post "Jane Fonda" to your question.
Look inside yourself and the hate you post before you throw the first stone next time!
- You think it's hypocritical for two reasons:
1) You clearly don't know what the word hypocritical means. I could prove this to you, but you won't understand that either.
2) You failed to realise that I was questioning the assertion that ALL US troops are heroes. It is obviously false, but more importantly (as AOCGUY said) it simply renders the word meaningless.
- not to the person making the comment "Hero" it is their individual understanding. Do I think ALL service men and woman are heros? No I do not. Do I think of myself a hero, no I do not. But I have seen and worked with and have been surrounded by heros! This I know.
- How hard is it for you do understand?
The term "hero", is for the individual making it. If she believes that all service members who serve with dignity, honor and respect are "heros". That is her belief and her view. How are you going to argue with her belief?
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 5:15 AM EDT
Your point is valid in areas we cannot get to in Pakistan.
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..... so are you claiming that you can get to all areas in Afghanistan? Either you know nothing about the country you're in, or you're being deliberately evasive. Which is it? - Reply to this comment
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- Fink it we could get to all the areas in Afghanistan...we would not still be here for 9 years...
I am glad you brought this point up again becuase I did not read your comment before.
Do the people know that the surge of 21000 additional troops was not in areas we already had troops (They were not reinforcements)?
Take for instance in the Southern Afghanistan, with the USMC fighting down there. It is in areas we couldnt get to before! So of course there is going to be some friction and fighting! The Terrorist are not going to give up their safe haven and sanctuary!!!
Nice job Fink bringing that point up to share with others. Thank you
- by jefleshman October 17, 2009 6:12 AM EDT
Fink it we could get to all the areas in Afghanistan...we would not still be here for 9 years.
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You therefore admit that you are unable to render any assistance to the survivors of most of your own missile strikes.
So when you asked "A point I would like to make is when something "Bad" happens and civilians are injured or killed. No matter who is "At fault- so to speak" who provides the medical aid?", my answer was correct - IT'S NOT YOU AMERICANS.
Are you going to answer honestly this time, or just give more of your biased, hypocritical, simplistic rhetoric?
- Yes fink it is, because the events you are referring to we get there. We do not just drop and not go. Are you kidding me?
- OK, so will you state clearly that US troops ALWAYS go to the site of a US missile strike to rescue trapped victims and give medical assistance?
- Fink you believe most of our GPS strikes are made in places we do not have ground forces. That in its self is misleading your twisted mind.
MOST of our Air to Surface strikes are while there is a Troops in Contact going on and we have "boots on the Ground", YES WE GO TO RENDER AID.
Have you ever served in combat? Do you know what is and can define the term HUMAN SHIELD? If so who uses the civilians as shields? Who uses the children to carry out attacks? Who uses the sick and poverty striken citizens of Afghanistan to set IEDs in the road? To press the button on an IED to go off? Who hides in womans burkas? Who puts their families at risk after attacking and running back into a crowded area or worse their own families home to hide? Who straps a suicide vest on and goes into a market place and kills innocents?
Fink I am waiting on an answer to these questions and the one above. Are the three citizens of America who freely became Soldiers heros?
Bet you do not answer these questions!
- Fink it we could get to all the areas in Afghanistan...we would not still be here for 9 years...
- So, What has Allah taught you today little brother??
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- ..... and would you fight to the death with a rock long before you would ever drop a bomb on a house containing kids?
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That bomb wouldnt have to drop on that house if the coward hiding behind those civilians would come out and fight like the brave muslim
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- So you think he's a coward for living in his home with his family, who are all totally unaware they are about to killed? Didn't the option of telling him to come out with his hands up occur to you? This is sometimes followed by a fair trial. I'd have thought you've seen stuff like that on the TV.
In America, do you usually kill a criminal and his entire family with a missile? I thought you had a justice system, but I guess I was wrong.
- So you think he's a coward for living in his home with his family, who are all totally unaware they are about to killed? Didn't the option of telling him to come out with his hands up occur to you? This is sometimes followed by a fair trial. I'd have thought you've seen stuff like that on the TV.
- FACT: Afghanistan is getting better and stronger everyday
SEE FOR YOURSELF, ISAF latest assessment(it is pre election)includes all areas below:
Afghan National Security Forces Assessment 2009
Security Assessment 2009
Governance Assessment 2009
Reconstruction and Develepment Assessment 2009
I believe this will put the flame out now of the MEDIAs DOOM and GLOOM sensationalized reporting and prove progress is being made.
Please take the time to read.
http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2009_03/20090331_090331_afghanistan_report_2009.pdf - Reply to this comment
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- USMC-Mom,
Seriously read the document. Print it out and share with your friends who think we are not making any progress over here. I am so tired of hearing all the bad news.
Yes, we have our ups and we have our downs just like everyone else. But we are darn sure making a positive difference in the lives of so many every day!
- I'm a head of you...already printed out.
Thank you for sharing it & I will copy it for a few people in doubt..ot just don't get it.
I believe in you & all your doing!!!
- Some key data points are found in pages:
p17: 82% of Afghans like their current Gov't only 4% want to go back to the Taliban way
p19: 67% believe their local Gov't is Sufficient
p25: In Mayden Wardak Province alone look at the progress in connecting the local village to the district to the province to the National level. (FYI we only been in this province for 11 months!)
P31-32: Their GDP Has tripled! 2 Million girls attend school and their is 19 Universities in Afghanistan now
It is awesome to be a part of!
- Take a look at the COMPLETE BBC/ARD/ABC poll results, some of which are used in the UN report, then make a judgement.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7872353.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/05_02_09afghan_poll_2009.pdf
- So Fink do you deny things are getting better? What about the progress made in education? Exports? Governance at the local level? and so on?
If all you have is questions on statistics, I say we are doing pretty darn good. I am glad you took the time to read the report. This is what does not make the news. Stats are what ever you want them to be. However in my own two provinces, 90% believe their government is working toward their future!
To me, this report confirms what is being seen on the ground here.
You don't see this on the news. All you see is suicide bombers, IEDs, Death, Air Strikes, now kids being used by the terrorists (Which is nothing new)... and so on.
I am tried of the betting of the "bad news, everything is going horrible" Drum the media is sensationalizing.
I want them to show what is really going on and how life is happening and in areas of Afghanistan... the citizens walk around and do not even know there is a war going on.
- As I have said before, I believe evidence and the evidence shows that the Afghan people do NOT think things are getting better. Apparently you didn't even look at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7872353.stm
As for GDP and exports, have you looked at the data from before the Soviet Union and then you invaded? No? I thought not.
I think perhaps the only significant progress that has been made since 2001 is in education for girls. That's very good as far as it goes, but it doesn't extend much beyond the provincial capitals, and it's very doubtful if it's self-sustainable.
- LMAO. (sorry I am still laughing at your post)You honestly believe this garbage the media feeds you! OMG you are one of them.
Fink you fall into the same category as the people in the US reading polling garbage from CBS. LMAO did you bother to see how "Many" Afghan Citizens were polled?
Your Source:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/7872353.stm
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The Afghan Centre for Social and Opinion Research in Kabul carried out the fieldwork, via face-to-face interviews with 1,534 Afghans in all of the country's 34 provinces between December 30 2008 and January 12 2009. The poll was commissioned by the BBC, ABC News of America and ARD of Germany.
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Ok same poll and here is some other data!
Q: Biggest dangers facing Country
A: 58% Taliban
A: 13% Drug Traffickers
Can you guess how many said the USA?
A: 8%
Ok I want you to tell me this is what the millions of Afghan citizens say!
1,534 represent what "All" Afghans think. Plus all they said was that they have went to all the provinces. But did not tell you where they went and how many answers were from each province. Point of that is, if you are looking for an argument (The media wants to paint doom and gloom because it sells) you can make one happen.
I can take polling data and make it into any argument I want to, in order to suit my needs and desires. I can make you see what you want to see!
That is what the media does. That is why I think it is a shame they are misleading the public!
Thank God I am on the ground IN AFGHANISTAN and have traveled extensively throughout the two provinces I am in and I see with my own two eyes what is really going on here and do not rely on the media to feed me garbage to believe!
- USMC-Mom,
- I would go out and fight to the death with a rock in hand long before I would ever strap a bomb on a kid no matter what the cause you morons.
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- by October 15, 2009 8:03 PM EDT
Well stated! Most of the COWARDS posting their opinions in this blog don't have the courage to die for anything. You have to admire an enemy who will take such extraordinary steps to achieve victory
are you serious? you have to admire an enemy that straps bombs on it's 7 and 8 year old children. What kind of world are we living in.
yeah I know, the US is at fault for everything. blah, blah blah.
some of you people are just discusting. Hopefully just trolls looking for a rise out of people or just delusional. - Reply to this comment
- Using children is stupid but smart on Al Queda's part. Until now, we never would've suspected children to be a threat. Members of Al Queda are cowards for hiding behind children and not facing us themselves.
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- Muslim men are taught that women and children are property. They also know the value of the public eye. If terrorists attack American Soldiers and those soldiers return fire, there is always a chance that women and children will get hurt. But who does the American News media blame. That's right, its the fault of US.
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- To talk about Muslim values you would have to be the one or that you have spent many years among us.
- The children recruited by the Taliban and al Qaeda are often willingly sent to the terror camps by their parents. The promise of free food, shelter and education for their sons is too difficult to turn down.
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It was not the surge in Iraq that turned things around. It was listening to the comanders on the ground. They say that al Quada was paying poor people to work for them. So we sarted paying more. This is what we should have been doing in the first place. Poverty is the root of most crime. Most of these people are just trying to survive. We need to rebuild what we destroyed and help them create jobs, just like we need to do here. As long as there is poverty anywhere in the world there will be terrorism. - Reply to this comment
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- dragon8me,
Well stated!I agree about the Poverty is the root of most crimes!!!!! You are spot on!
You gave a solution that we are currently doing already.
Do you not know how much we (GIRoA and ISAF)are giving into the area of Developement? Economics? Governance?
I am curious. Because this is not a fast food answer. The starting point in 2001 there was not really a lot of any of these things before.
- Fink
YES 2001 is when the US led Coalition invaded and ousted the Taliban government. YES, after the invasion there has been a focused effort on improvements in Development, Economics and Governance assisting the wonderful Afghan citizens.
Where have you been for the past 9 years almost?
- What breathtaking arrogance!!!! 2001 WAS NOT the starting point for the Afghan people, it was only the starting point for YOU!
- I did not know under the "kindness and Peace loving Taliban (Not elected) government was so prosperous. I did not know the Taliban provided so many freedoms to the citizens of Afghanistan. I did not know that the Taliban Government provided so much hope for the woman of their country they claimed.
That is because they didn't.
For heavens sake Fink, a child couldn't even fly a kite during their reign of terror. A little girl couldn't even go to school. A woman couldn't even work outside the home. The Taliban did almost nothing except serve their own desires as I see you are doing right now.
2001 was the starting point for Freedom, held against their will to be free, for Afghan citizens.
- dragon8me,
- It just goes to show there's nothing a religious fanatic will do for their "faith". Karl Marx was right when he said "religion is the opiate of the people".
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- You make the mistake in assuming that the religious part of religious fanatic causes the fanatic to do crazy things. It is the fanatic part that does. I know many people that are very religious that do many good things. I know of non religious fanatics that do horrible things. Faith is not responsible for this, fanaticism is. Look to Karl Marx's apostles Stalin and Mao to see the effect political fanatics can have.
- Fink
If you would like to help instead of complain and see for yourself, there is many ways to serve humanity as it happens ALL THE TIME HERE every day. You can wear a uniform or not. It rely doesn't matter; each single person can make a difference.
You can either sit back and soak in all the bad and ignore the good while complaining and trying to belittle someone because of their efforts or you can rise up yourself and do something about it and serve others and not your very own selfish needs.
I do not know if people realize this is democracy and freedom happening in front of our eyes; it appeals me to think people do not have a heart and just blow off reality of things. Has Americans forgotten about Woman's suffrage? How your freedoms were once determined by your skin color? When did the first American Woman or another personas skin color get a full one for one vote that counted?
See and read the founders page on the site below. Another Afghan WOMAN making a difference and not complaining about it. What a wonderful nonprofit AFGHAN organization! What a wonderful WOMAN to personally meet; it was an HONOR.
http://www.helptheafghanchildren.org/ - Reply to this comment
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- jefleshman - Have you heard of a group called the "Worldwide Sisterhood Against Terrorism and War", who made a statement before the invasion in 2001 saying the following:
"NOT IN OUR NAME - We women who are Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Jains, Pagans, Wiccans, and women of many beliefs from the countries that lost lives in the terror of September 11th, unite on these principles:
We will not support the bombing or U.S. invasion of Afghanistan, for it
would only punish suffering people, and increase the hatred on which
terrorists feed. No military action has ever ended terrorism....."
Can you guess the name of one of the signatories?
- jefleshman - In the context of the many thousands of deaths that followed that sincere appeal to America your reply is not funny, it's just pathetic and contemptible.
Why can't you just be honest and say that it's Suraya Sadeed who you just called a "wonderful WOMAN". It's now emerging very clearly that you are a nasty, dishonest and evasive little man. Why can't you say what you really think, and then admit it when you are wrong?
- Fink... But True, Jane Fonda did sign it.
I thought you would get a kick out of the, Jane Fonda, Gotcha!
"Now that is real sarcasm" ... wasn't that your words to me earlier?
Because Fink I knew that is where you were leading too. And you try to use the wonderful work this lady of peace has done into your own twisted self centered ways again. How do you not see that?
Lets see an Educated Female in Taliban controlled Afghanistan signed a document that did not want the US to invade? No I do not know why she would have signed the document...MAYBE BECAUSE HER HEAD WAS AT STAKE?
I do know she is a HERO and has done much more than she ever could imagine now that the Taliban are no longer in charge of the Government.
Her letter to Pres. Bush just 4 days after the attack on the WTC...
SOURCE: http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/terrorist_crisis/crisis_forum.html
In it I quote...
"The fear that I have had for years has been realized. I knew that Afghanistan would have to pay for having Osama Bin Laden as its unwanted guest. The fact that Osama bin Laden is in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the Afghan people themselves. He is not an Afghan and, he is not supported by Afghans. He came by force and will only leave by force. Did the Afghan people invite him? No. Can they remove him? No."
"Afghans are terrorized themselves. For the past nine years, I have traveled 17 times to Afghanistan to deliver humanitarian aid. I have seen the unspeakable pain and agony of millions who are in constant fear, living a powerless shackled existence where even learning and showing a woman's face in public is now outlawed. Afghans did not elect their government, they have no voice."
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
Fink... But True, Jane Fonda did sign it.
I thought you would get a kick out of the, Jane Fonda, Gotcha!
"Now that is real sarcasm" ... wasn't that your words to me earlier?
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Gotcha??????? You didn't get me in any way whatsoever, you pathetic little piece of garbage. How was that sarcasm? Explain..... You won't of course, because you are just as stupid as you are immoral. You're reducing the lives and deaths of innocent Afghan people to the level of a trash reality TV show. I hate everything you stand for.
Are you seriously trying to claim that Suraya Sadeed signed the "Not in our Name" letter because (as you stated) "her head was at stake"? SHE WAS A US CITIZEN AT THE TIME - YOU MORON!!!! You are probably the most closed-minded and bigoted person it has ever been my misfortune to experience.
.... and did you even bother to read her letter to GWB of Sept. 15, 2001? NOWHERE did she even imply that she supported your invasion.
I think this is the end of our exchanges. The lack of anyone supporting your arguments on here speaks volumes. You can now go home with the thought that you have spent your last few weeks in Afghanistan convincing me that your armed forces are as stupid, violent, uncaring and hypocritical as your worst critics say.
- Yes she is a Wonderful and Peace loving WOMAN, who would not want War, but acknowledges the fact that the Taliban and OBL are not welcomed. Sounds Like a Plea for help to me...anyone disagree, the letter is found ALL over the internet. Read it for yourself!
- You hypocrisy and stupidity just leave me speechless sometimes! How the **** can you read a letter like that and somehow take the exact opposite meaning? It said "We will not support the bombing or U.S. invasion of Afghanistan". How can it be any more plain!!!!
- by finkfust October 17, 2009 4:39 AM EDT
You hypocrisy and stupidity just leave me speechless sometimes! How the **** can you read a letter like that and somehow take the exact opposite meaning? It said "We will not support the bombing or U.S. invasion of Afghanistan". How can it be any more plain!!!!
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Cut and Paste Fink...AT NO WHERE DOES IT SAY!
President George W. Bush
The White House
Washington, DC 20500
Dear Mr. President:
It has been five agonizing days. My heart goes out to the families and friends of the thousands who lost their lives last Tuesday. I love this country and I feel the pain as much as any one.
I can hardly see the screen of my computer from crying as I am writing--I am crying behind the closed doors of my office, because I cannot cry outside. Why? I was born in Afghanistan.
The fear that I have had for years has been realized. I knew that Afghanistan would have to pay for having Osama Bin Laden as its unwanted guest. The fact that Osama bin Laden is in Afghanistan has nothing to do with the Afghan people themselves. He is not an Afghan and, he is not supported by Afghans. He came by force and will only leave by force. Did the Afghan people invite him? No. Can they remove him? No.
Afghans are terrorized themselves. For the past nine years, I have traveled 17 times to Afghanistan to deliver humanitarian aid. I have seen the unspeakable pain and agony of millions who are in constant fear, living a powerless shackled existence where even learning and showing a woman's face in public is now outlawed. Afghans did not elect their government, they have no voice.
For too long ours has been a forgotten nation--one that paid a heavy price by fighting a war for freedom against the invading Soviet Union, which benefited the United States and the world - a war that helped bring the end of the cold war.
Our small nation sacrificed over one million lives, had 5 million refugees, two million widows, over one million orphans, over 500,000 amputees. Afghanistan is a country in enormous pain and is drowning in her sorrows.
A nation that has sought freedom and civility for decades, now has received the title of "Terrorist nation". I hope the U.S. Government and American people realize that the people of Afghanistan have been terrorized themselves and kept hostage for years.
The foreigners who finance and support the operations of bin Laden have now fled the Capital city of Kabul leaving behind terrified Afghans who look to the skies in fear, and brace themselves for more war.
Let us hope that the United States Government and the American people distinguish between the victims of terror, the Afghan people themselves, and the perpetrators of these unspeakable acts.
On behalf of millions of Afghans I express my sincere sympathy and hope that the families of the victims find solace in knowing that we share their pain and stand by them in such times of distress and agony.
Sincerely,
Ms. Suraya Sadeed
- jefleshman - Have you heard of a group called the "Worldwide Sisterhood Against Terrorism and War", who made a statement before the invasion in 2001 saying the following:
- Islam is a sick ideaology. when Mohammad "the best example for mankind for all time" can marry a six year old and have sex with her when she is nine is sick. so sending 7 year olds to bomb is right up thier alley.
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- Fink I was being sarcastic about the internet. But I did find one story I know is true 100% because I held her in my arms. My wife sent a small childs balnket and a baby rattle for her when she was there at the hospital. I hand delivered it as you could see through the scars the little smile come from her tiny mouth as she interacted with the hospital staff. No she was not a victum from the terrorist but a victum from an accident. But this illistrates that despite your negative out look on things I see the positive.
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- jefleshman - Are you SERIOUSLY trying to prove your point about terrorists using children by posting an article from 4 years ago about a child burnt by a faulty lamp? You really don't understand what a pathetic joke you are, do you?
- So you hand delivered a rattle to a sick child four years ago on the same air base where you were already working, did you? If only more people in the world could offer so much of their valuable time in such generous and effective humanitarian aid!
Now that's how sarcasm is supposed to work!
- No I wasnt trying to prove terrorism. Did you read that I said it had nothing to do about terrorism but an accident?
I was proven I dont just read and complain, I act. As actions one does speaks louder than words! I am making a differance not just complaning how bad things are, by bashing anyone on an internet site like you do.
Any questions? Let me guesss, what am I doing now to make a differance while on the computer?
GETTING THE TRUTH OUT!
- Fink you have no clue to the reality of things that go on here each and everyday. The Afghan citizens both men and woman are rising up! However their efforts fall on the deaf medias ears and yours!
I have witnessed selfless sevice by the brave men and women here for almost 2 years first hand. Not sitting in a Forward Operating Base, but by getting out and reaching the population along side supported by many nations and languages.
I am about to leave here now and thought what a great time to stop complaning about the media and voice what is really the so called "Boots on the ground" assessment. I try to stay impartial to the news but it just sickens me that all they want to do is mislead a world that has put great effort into the "good" things Afghanistan has to offer. It is a beatiful country with beatiful culture and wonderful people. But the fraction who are bad get all the coverage.
WAKE UP TO THE TRUTH!
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 6:50 AM EDT
No I wasnt trying to prove terrorism. Did you read that I said it had nothing to do about terrorism but an accident?
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I see, so in a discussion about terrorism you decided to prove that accidents happen. Smart thinking! Nobody is going to disagree with that.
OK, so here's a point about that accident. It was caused by a kerosene lamp, because most people in Afghanistan don't have electricity. Right? So who don't you go home and stay there, and make space for someone who can help install and repair electricity systems, rather than someone like you who JUST WASTES HIS TIME POSTING IRRELEVANT CR@P ON THE INTERNET!
If I was a US taxpayer I would be outraged that I'm paying you to do this! YOU ARE A TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY...............
- All,
I hate that the news only shows the bad. But lets but blam on where it rely lies; THAT IS ON THOSE WHO USE CIVILIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS!
As I have witnessed civilians held by gun point to mass around the Terrorist to put in an IED or directly use them as they attack their very own Afghan security forces.
Or as we detainee a child who was about to set off an IED and question him why he was going to do this. His response was 25 dollars and a new cell phone. Yes the child was released. I cannot view streaming video over here so I am not sure if this is the exact one I mention above. See link below but I know the one I refer to has been released.
http://video.google.com/videosearch?hl=en&source=hp&q=child+released+after+trying+to+set+off+IED&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=j0LYSufFAo-b_AbUocWVAQ&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CBgQqwQwAw
Yes war is horrible and innocents are killed in the fog of war. I know this and you know this. I wish the media would print and post the Majority percent of the other side of conflict and war. I want them to see and understand the good that also is going on here. Please see some of the news yourself.
http://www.cjtf101.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1905&catid=16&Itemid=401
Fink
See for yourself. You wanted places and names. Well now you have them!
I guess the internet is an "Official Source". Becuase it is much better then a persons 1st hand eye witness to deliberate targeting of Afghan civilians. Yes please continue to trust in the internet.
http://www.cjtf101.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1823:ansf-isaf-respond-to-insurgent-attack&catid=17:press-releases&Itemid=326
http://www.blackanthem.com/News/currentevent/Photos-Logar-IED-blast20398.shtml - Reply to this comment
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- jefleshman - You managed a complete turn around in only one hour!!!!!!!
by jefleshman October 16, 2009 4:52 AM EDT
"I just do not believe in everything on the internet. I rely on personal experience!"
by jefleshman October 16, 2009 5:57 AM EDT
"I guess the internet is an "Official Source". Becuase it is much better then a persons 1st hand eye witness to deliberate targeting of Afghan civilians. Yes please continue to trust in the internet."
- jefleshman said - "As I have witnessed civilians held by gun point to mass around the Terrorist to put in an IED or directly use them as they attack their very own Afghan security forces."
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So when you saw this with your own eyes, what did you do?
- With the IED we waited until they left and blew it in place. With the Direct action we broke contact because we could. Not all are so lucky and have to return fire!
- jefleshman - You managed a complete turn around in only one hour!!!!!!!
- "Onward Christian soldiers,marching on to war" does Islam have similar songs?[I do not know]-Do Islamic nations have their version of ministers as officers in the military aiding in the battle psych?[I also do not know that}-just a thought though....I recall the US won ww2 with the atheist Soviet ally against the Christian Germans....
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- All,
A point I would like to make is when something "Bad" happens and civilians are injured or killed. No matter who is "At fault- so to speak" who provides the medical aid?
I have not come acrossed or witnessed with my own eyes here, on any incident, where the terrorist render aid.
The other thing I would like to bring up. In the US, we are very blessed. We have a 3 digit number we can dial and "first responders" will be there. The Afghans do not have that blessing yet, it is working some what in isloated areas.
I just wanted to point that out. Thank you for reading. - Reply to this comment
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- jefleshman - So who provides medical or rescue assistance when an American drone missile destroys a home in Afghanistan, Pakistan or elsewhere, but there are no rescue services within a hundred miles or more? Answer...... the family and local people do the best they can but the victims, including women and children, will probably die slowly in agony buried in the rubble.
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 5:15 AM EDT
Your point is valid in areas we cannot get to in Pakistan.
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..... so are you claiming that you can get to all areas in Afghanistan? Either you know nothing about the country you're in, or you're being deliberately evasive. Which is it?
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 5:15 AM EDT
Your point is valid in areas we cannot get to in Pakistan.
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..... so are you claiming that you can get to all areas in Afghanistan? Either you know nothing about the country you're in, or you're being deliberately evasive. Which is it?
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Well, which is it?
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 5:15 AM EDT
Your point is valid in areas we cannot get to in Pakistan.
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..... so are you claiming that you can get to all areas in Afghanistan? Either you know nothing about the country you're in, or you're being deliberately evasive. Which is it?
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Well, CAN you get into all areas of Afganistan to help victims of a drone missile strike or not? Why won't you answer?
- Where is the corroboration for this story? There is only a photo of a boy with a hurt leg and the rest of it is simply conjecture by Mandy Clark..... no names, no places, no times, no witnesses. Do CBS think this is journalism?
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- Fink
That is so the boy and his family and village is safe. The Terrorist read the news too. This report is not new. We have been facing this type of attack since we have been here. You are only hearing about these types of tactics because the focus the media is giving the struggles in Afghanistan.
I thought people already knew this to be a fact. Are you saying this is new?
Just wondering.
- Why would you doubt it? Do you think that this isn't happening? When it has happened in many other wars in the past? What makes this one any different?
The problem here is the Afghan civilians haven't figured out yet that the Taliban don't give a fig for them now. Remember that before we invaded the Taliban was running the country - and while they were not the nicest people, they were no Pol Pot either. The problem today is that the Afghan civilians think that if the US leaves, the Taliban will take over and things will go back to the way they were a decade ago. What the Afghan civilians haven't figured out yet is that the Taliban today isn't the same as it was a decade ago - when this new Taliban takes over, they will start killing civilians as a matter of routine.
- jefleshman - I believe evidence, but you believe what it suits you to believe. Would you like to start with Christianity?
- Fink,
I believe what I have seen with my own two eyes. This report I have not seen. Since, I was not there. But reports like this one and many others I have been witness too.
I just do not believe in everything on the internet. I rely on personal experience!
- There are corroborated accounts of terrorists using women and children to carry out murders, just as there are corroborated accounts of American soldiers raping, torturing and murdering. You CAN NOT deny that ALL of these have happened. Why do you always select only one side for your arguments?
My point is that this CBS story is NOT corroborated and is simply very bad journalism. WHEN, OH WHEN are you going to learn to read what is actually written??????? If you want to widen the argument, then fine - fire away...............
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 4:52 AM EDT
Fink, I believe what I have seen with my own two eyes.
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OK then. Tell us all about an incident such as this that you have seen with your own eyes. Provide information about the date and place so we can check the official records................
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 4:52 AM EDT
I just do not believe in everything on the internet. I rely on personal experience!
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So do you rely ONLY on personal experience, or do you also accept the evidence of others? If the latter, under what circumstance to accept their evidence? Because he/she is a nice person, or an American, or a Christian?
- by jefleshman October 16, 2009 4:21 AM EDT
That is so the boy and his family and village is safe. The Terrorist read the news too.
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Why do you keep talking about "the Terrorist"? Do you think there is only one, or can't you write in English?............ or (as I think is the truth) in your juvenile mind he's the same as "the Boogeyman"?
- Fink
- America must be suffering from some sort of MENTAL DISORDER.
This explains why Americans perceive it's acceplable to have an
OPENED-ENDED WAR.Killing Children,Killing Women,and everything
Whole-Some...Hence,the term"MUSH for BRAINS AMERICANS"
Only an IMBECILE would believe WAR is NECESSARY.....
The VIRTUE of WILLFULL DECEPTION of SUICIDE.
Yes,AMERICA must be suffering from some sort of MENTAL DISORDER.. - Reply to this comment
- pig is the kind of people our enemys love to see posting, they use it as propaganda to show our enemys how low the IQ of the ones they like to project as Americans.
The usual wannabe terrorists are posting as well, it doesn't bother them to see or hear that kids are being tricked or sold by their parents to the terrorists, as long as it isn't their own kids, they don't care who dies, long as it isn't them. They are the real cowards. - Reply to this comment
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