October 14, 2009 1:30 PM

Cub Scout: Utensil Suspension Unfair

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(CBS)  A 6-year-old Cub Scout recently suspended from school after bringing a camping utensil to the lunchroom made it clear he was not happy with the Delaware school district's decision.

"I think it's very wrong. It's not fair at all," Zachary Christie of Newark, Del. told CBS' "The Early Show."

"It's not fair for anybody," he said.

Zachary's excitement over joining the Cub Scouts may just land him in reform school for 45 days.

Zachary was suspended from his 1st grade class in Delaware's Christina School District after bringing a camping utensil - a combination knife/fork/spoon - to use at lunch, prompting calls to reexamine schools' zero-tolerance policy for bringing weapons to school.

Asked why he brought it to school, Zachary said he just wanted to eat lunch with the tool. "It's just a cool camping utensil," he said.

(CBS)
Zachary's mother, Debbie Christie, who is co-president of the PTA at her son's school, said she did not know Zachary brought the camping utensil (seen at left) to school, but disagrees with the suspension, saying her son willingly gave the utensil to a teacher when asked.

"He wasn't waving it around," Debbie Christie told "The Early Show." "He told her (teacher) that he was taking it to lunch."

Zero tolerance policies were instituted in many school districts across the country, at least in part due to violence at Columbine and Virginia Tech, the report notes. Their rigid enforcement is designed to eliminate the appearance of bias or discrimination on the part of school officials.

State Representative Teresa L. Schooley wrote the disciplinary committee, asking each member to "consider the situation, get all the facts, find out about Zach and his family and then act with common sense for the well-being of this child."

But the strict enforcement of the policy has its supporters.

"There is no parent who wants to get a phone call where they hear that their child no longer has two good seeing eyes because there was a scuffle and someone pulled out a knife," said George Evans, the school district board's president.

There has been a move to give school officials more flexibility in "weapon"-related incidents. After a third-grade girl was expelled for a year after bringing in a knife to cut the birthday cake her grandmother sent in to the class, a new law was passed allowing officials to modify punishments on a case-by-case basis. But that was for expulsions, not suspensions as Zachary is faced with. Another revision to the law is being drafted to address suspensions, according to the report.

For now, Zachary will be taught at home, which he says he likes, but misses his friends at school.

"I don't think the punishment should be this bad."

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by ralphexpress October 16, 2009 12:57 PM EDT
A rule is a rule and should be applied equally to all. But common sense should be applied to the punishment. Remove of the item and discussing with the boy and parents would be a more appropriate response than 45 days away from school.

Ralph
www.tabup.com - a great place to have a conversation
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by Scimajor October 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
Leave the kid alone for goodness sake! He's six! Fine the parents for being idiotic enough to allow their son to bring the device to school. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that bringing a knife in any form to school is wrong and will result in consequences. It does, however, take someone older than six to understand the issue. Get a brain parents!
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by Srkotik October 14, 2009 9:13 AM EDT
A knife is a knife. Thats why box cutters are not allowed on airplanes. what would the out come have been had another child taken the "camping utensile" from this boy and stabbed him with it? Think thats far fetched? COLUMBINE! THAT was far fetched! But it happened. There is NO accountability anymore. And since the PARENTS cant be suspended......... because THAT is who is ultimayely in the wrong!
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by casowa October 14, 2009 8:08 AM EDT
After being in Scouts for more than 20 years and as a leader in Cub and Boy Scouts he shouldn't have a knife in his possession until he has earned his Whittling Chip card. That doesn't usually happen until they are a Wolf or Bear or Webelo. There are also many camping utensils out there to take to school for eating that don't have a knife included.
I can see the school's point but I think the parent's should have known better in this day and age.
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by lsc--2008 October 14, 2009 12:23 AM EDT
When I was a Girl Scout in 3rd and 4th grade, I wore my scout uniform to school for each and every scout meeting. Attached to my belt in plain view was a Girl Scout knife, which had the same knives and tools as a Swiss Army knife (2 knives, 2 can openers, and an awl). This knife was freely sold to children, and NO ONE cared that we wore them to school! Needless to say, no one was ever stabbed, cut, accidentally poked, etc. Zero tolerance means zero intelligence and maximum stupidity.
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by mrOhio October 13, 2009 9:18 PM EDT
Look people the oerson at fault here is the parents, not the boy and not the school. As a parent I am responsible for what my son takes to school. IF I give hime a "camping untensil" a Swiss Army style knife and allow him to take it to school, the consequences of having a knife in school is my fault. IT IS A KNIFE! Teach him appropriate behavior and not make excuses. Kids do not need knives in school, camping maybe, school never - no excuses.
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by teacherview October 13, 2009 9:03 PM EDT
Even after a 12 hour day at school, I love the exchange of ideas here. Freedom of speech rocks!! I agree that the length of the suspension is excessive. Principals should be given the authority to judges office referrals on a case by case basis and assign consequences as they see fit. Yes, teachers are responsible for the electrical outlets, paper clips, pencils, etc. being used in an appropriate manner. In 15 years I've never had a student injured from these household items because of one vital component - SUPERVISION. I don't allow my teenage kid carry around a knife with a three inch blade. I certainly wouldn't have thought it was OK for him to take one to kindergarten. Bottom line - School administrators need to use common sense when doling out consequences and parents need to accept responsibility for abiding by school policies that affect school safety.
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by EagleScoutMom2 October 13, 2009 5:46 PM EDT
As a 6 year old (Tiger Cub) Cub Scout, he isn't allowed to even have that utinsel. And at any schoool he would not allowed to have it at school at any age. He is just a little guy, and his parents should be held accountable. Why would anyone allow a 6 year old to have a knife? No only could he get hurt, but he could hurt someone else. All schools have a zero talerance policy. Although, 45 days is a little much. Keep the weapons out of schools.
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by DocD--2008 October 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT
What we need is a zero tolerance law against stupidity, but then again, we'd have no more adults left in some areas to run things, including enforcement and lawmakers.
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by STHUYIAs October 13, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
Not you Doc.. docpeter1953
by STHUYIAs October 13, 2009 3:33 PM EDT
Where my girlfriend teacher there was a KINDERGARTNER whom told him mom to "SHUT THE F*** UP!"

Another kid who brought a gun to school. But it was something cool to show to his friends and teacher so it must be ok. Since he wasn't planning on shooting anybody. Oh, did I mention that the gun was loaded and ready to go?!

There is a kid who is well mannered, a good student with no disciplinary problems. And from what I gather from some of these posts is, if he had a Swiss army knife, sorry I keep doing that "utensil" that is all shiny that he likes and brings it to school. He shouldn't be punished. Yeah, OK! Did I mention that he was caught making a list? This list was like the "Bucket List" things to do before he dies. One of those items on his list was to "Kill a Teacher". Again, this kid was a good student with no disciplinary problems.

What if they caught him with the "utensil" but never caught him with the list?? Should they punish him?? What if he had carried out that item on his list?? Answer that for me. Explain to me how one would tell the family of the teacher; sorry he was a good kid. We found a "utensil" on him but since he was a good kid we didn't do anything about it. Sorry for your loss!

Zero tolerance is in place for a reason. There should be different levels of punishment for FIRST time offenders, with regards to their standing in the school (grades, behavioral problems). BUT THERE MUST BE SOME FORM OF ACTION TAKEN!!!

Otherwise the (1) rule to not allow weapons would be a novel specifically naming each weapon not allowed and clauses to say whom can bring weapons to school such as:

"If you?re a well mannered kid and are in the cub scouts, it's ok to bring certain weapons, I mean "utensils" as long as you are sure that the weapon, sorry "utensil", won't cause any harm to school property or person's, including yourself, and it shall be secured so that you are the ONLY one, at ANY time whom has access to the weapon, sorry "utensil", and can't/won't be at anytime used for any malicious intentions."
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