October 14, 2009 8:35 AM

Democrats Confident Health Reform Imminent

(CBS/AP)  Democratic congressional leaders predicted passage of health care legislation within a few months despite undimmed Republican opposition, claiming momentum Thursday from and renewed commitment from lawmakers fresh from a month of meetings with constituents.

Increasingly, events in the Senate Finance Committee appeared pivotal, precursor to likely votes in both the House and the Senate by early October. "I'm confident the president will sign a bill this year," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

Mr. Obama's speech to a joint congressional session Wednesday night was a sweeping defense of changing a health care system that he and others contend could bankrupt the world's largest economy.

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While effusively praising Mr. Obama's speech from the night before, Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada signaled separately the president may not prevail in his call for legislation that allows the federal government to sell insurance in competition with private industry.

Reid said that while he favors a strong "public option," he could be satisfied with establishment of non-profit-cooperatives, along the lines expected to be included in the bill taking shape in the Finance Committee.

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Pelosi, who has long favored a measure that allows the government to sell insurance, passed up a chance to say it was a nonnegotiable demand.

As long as legislation makes quality health care more accessible and affordable, "we will go forward with that bill," she said.

Democrats are divided over the public option in both houses, liberals strongly in favor and many moderates against it. Critically, though, it appears that any chance for Republican support would evaporate if legislation permits immediate, direct competition between the government and insurance industry.

On the morning after his speech, Mr. Obama renewed his campaign for passage of his top domestic priority. Declaring that too many individuals are being denied coverage, he said, "It is heartbreaking and it is wrong and nobody should be treated that way in the United States of America. Nobody!"

He also cited new Census statistics showing that the number of uninsured has risen to 46.3 million from 45.7 million in 2007.

In general, the legislation would provide new protections to Americans with insurance, help the uninsured afford coverage, require most individuals to carry coverage and aim to slow the growth of medical costs overall.

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The measure would be paid for through reductions in planned Medicare spending and tax increases. Medicare is the government-funded health insurance program for the elderly.

Mr. Obama has said his approach will not result in higher deficits, but Congressional Budget Office estimates dispute him.

Most Republicans made clear during the day that Mr. Obama's speech had done nothing to lessen their opposition. But they were peppered with questions about Rep. Joe Wilson of South Carolina, who shouted "You lie" at the president during the speech.

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Asked if the episode embarrassed him as party leader in the House of Representatives, Rep. John Boehner of Ohio, said, "I think that Mr. Wilson made it clear that he said his behaviour was inappropriate, and he apologized for it. And I'm glad he did."

Mr. Obama accepted the apology, telling reporters, "we all make mistakes."

(AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
After months of missed deadlines caused by internal division among Democrats and Republican opposition earlier in the year, neither Pelosi nor Reid (both seen at left in front of White House) was willing to outline anything more than a broad timetable for action on the legislation. But increasingly, it appeared that events in the Finance Committee would determine the pace.

There, Sen. Max Baucus of Montana has said he will convene the panel the week after next to vote on legislation that would meet Mr. Obama's goal of expanding health care, providing consumer protection to those with coverage, and slowing the growth of medical spending overall.

Baucus long ago embraced the proposed co-ops rather than direct government competition with industry, and it appears unlikely liberals have the votes to overrule him.

Democrats account for 13 members on the 23-member committee, but Baucus, Sens. Jeff Bingaman of New Mexico and Kent Conrad of North Dakota have been involved in intensive bipartisan negotiations, and Sens. Tom Carper of Delaware and Blanche Lincoln of Arkansas are part of the party's moderate wing and unlikely to support a liberal alternative.

Mr. Obama met Thursday afternoon with Carper, Lincoln, and a dozen other moderate Senate Democrats, some of whom have expressed concerns about costs and oppose a public plan.

Carper said later that the group welcomed Mr. Obama's commitment in his speech to hold down health care costs. "He received a lot of reinforcement from those of us there today that we wouldn't vote for a bill that fails to rein in health costs and we wouldn't vote for a bill that increases the deficit," Carper said in an interview.

Whatever bill the Finance Committee approves must be blended with legislation approved earlier in another panel, and is expected to reach the Senate floor by early October.

Baucus told reporters the president's speech had been "confidence-building" for those involved in weeks of painstaking bipartisan negotiations.

"It's uncannily similar to what we're working on," he said, avoiding mention of the disagreement over government insurance sales. "The president's speech kind of breathed new life into what we're doing because this is basically what our proposal is."

In the Wednesday night speech, Mr. Obama was battling to win back flagging public support for revamping a system that has left millions of Americans without health insurance, drives thousands into bankruptcy each day and consumes nearly 20 per cent of the country's economy.

The United States is the only developed country without a universal program of health care coverage. While many Americans are dissatisfied with the health care system, attempts to change it are politically explosive.

Mr. Obama's speech amounted to an attempt to restart the health care debate after a summer in which Republican critics confronted Democrats at town hall meetings and on television.

"They hit us with their best shot; distortion, misrepresentation, and obstruction," Pelosi said. But she said Democrats had "sustained the effort admirably" and now "we're in a better place to go forward."

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by from_the_north September 12, 2009 4:09 PM EDT
Well, if we would stop the Bushie Wars we would have plenty of money for OUR citizen's health care. Give it a chance, nothing could be worse than what we have now. What could possibly be wrong with providing all OUR citizens with an affordable health care??? Did I miss something.
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by Stevenapoli7 September 12, 2009 4:08 AM EDT
Obama is a dark lord of the Sith. He is using the recession to sensationalize a "crisis" just like Darth Sidious took control over the senate to pass his evil agenda in a time of upheaval. He is moving this great country away from free markets, capitalism, and meritocracy to one of federal control, handouts, bailouts, takeovers. My advice: Don't over regulate and don't under-regulate.
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by stoltz61 September 11, 2009 6:23 PM EDT
As a former Democrat, I think the left wing and the rest of the bunch have turned into idiots! They are putting the future of the USA into jeopardy! The only thing that matters is the power and money. They could care less about the citizens of this nation. Any bill that is passed will be money in their pockets and more out of the citizen's pocket! Republicans were bad and it is unbelievable that the Democrats could be worst, but they are!
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by Stevenapoli7 September 11, 2009 4:55 PM EDT
No Obamacare! The 46 million uninsured figure has many fine details in it that once you know them leads to the conclusion that we are not in a health crisis. 25% of the 46 mill are not U.S. citizens. 6 of 8 million uninsured children are already eligible for govt care but parents have not bothered to sign them up.
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by hungry1968-16 September 11, 2009 3:21 PM EDT
by Mortarman29 September 11, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
Every American should be afforded healthcare? Sure. When every American pays for their own and doesnt demand others pay for theirs.







You mean like the military, police, firemen and women?

How about Jaycee Dugard and her two daughters?

What about orphans?

What about the unemployed that can't find work?

What about someone that becomes crippled, and can never work again? How are they going to get "employer sponsored health care"?
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by hungry1968-16 September 11, 2009 3:02 PM EDT
by Mortarman29 September 11, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
Did you see the video of Obama talking with ACORN people in 2007, telling them that if he is elected, they will be brought in on the transition to help shape the new government?

So, he is still deeply connected to ACORN.







Nope.

I don't watch Fox's version of News.
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by hungry1968-16 September 11, 2009 2:32 PM EDT
by BobbySomers September 11, 2009 2:27 PM EDT
Since they got two billion dollars from the Stimulus bill.






First of all, it's a non-issue. ACORN has nothing to do with health care reform. (But the ACORN story does have it's own webpage where you can comment on it directly.)

Second of all, Obama hasn't been associated with ACORN in ove 12 years, and they play NO PART in our government.

Third, the "ACORN get federal tax money" is a lie started by Fat Rush the Junkie. Unless of course you can provide a link to the story......
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by Mortarman29 September 11, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
Did you see the video of Obama talking with ACORN people in 2007, telling them that if he is elected, they will be brought in on the transition to help shape the new government?

So, he is still deeply connected to ACORN.
by rccmaize1 September 11, 2009 1:51 PM EDT
Mental health in our cultural social system is the
invisiable nightmare
of a free society.

As a ?free? man where one has to make the choice of what do I do next?

It is the conflict of **** sapiens and his walkabout looking for his path of ?self in the system?

The UNWHO defines mental health as:

"a state of well-being in which the individual realizes his or her own abilities, can cope with the normal stresses of life, can work productively and fruitfully, and is able to make a contribution to his or her community
We were warned over 200 years ago by a invited guest of Ben Franklin in a cultural exchange by the author of ?Democracy in America? (1835)
Alexis de Tocqueville where he noted that their would be a great discontent
As this having to be responsible for self would cause great pain.
Our problem now is that it became the truth and we allowed
it to flow into the streets.

Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo
trying to get to the other side of the road of understandingwith a note:
That ?Tocqueville? 8 out of 10 people would spend time
locked up in a mental intuition.
Barrow A. Dillo
So remember to be kind and gentle with yourself!
The gray matter bits back.
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by rccmaize1 September 11, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
"Cybertribualism" -my word
an active example is happing now.

A word ?healthcare?
Of course there will be others pop up


I have spoke of "cybertribualism" -my word and this seems to prove that we have come to the level of "Cro-Magnon man" again as reason and the use of gray mater to stop, look, listen and reason to find solutions for direction for problem solving has reverted back to "grunting and clubs".

We now have groups of electronic tribes that float mindless in cyberspace leaching to
The emotional trash and garbage of the public relations and marketing gang of "if you have the price we will create professional lie's for you to prove what ever you desire" you provide the animal passion and meat eating hunger for the blood lust.

It always benefits those that want money , power, and control.

It seems we are still in the caves grunting and procreating like animals.

There is hope as always that the gray matter and calm can see the light of truth will over power the screaming and bloodlettings of those that can only see fear and are afraid to step out into the knowledge of light and the ever changing truth of living,

It is a walkabout we all take in this journey called life and it waits for no one
This is what ?freedom is all about? it is always your choice..

I all have to say watching the actions of what I would call the lost souls it the ugly anger and hate trying to hide fear screaming and if they had a gun killing
Some poor soul there looking for answers about their child dying or a senior there wondering if they should buy a pill or cat food to live.

The animal in man is truly ugly.

Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo,
Barrow A. Dillo
"Cybertribualism" -my word
an active example is happing now.

A word ?healthcare?
Of course there will be others pop up


I have spoke of "cybertribualism" -my word and this seems to prove that we have come to the level of "Cro-Magnon man" again as reason and the use of gray mater to stop, look, listen and reason to find solutions for direction for problem solving has reverted back to "grunting and clubs".

We now have groups of electronic tribes that float mindless in cyberspace leaching to
The emotional trash and garbage of the public relations and marketing gang of "if you have the price we will create professional lie's for you to prove what ever you desire" you provide the animal passion and meat eating hunger for the blood lust.

It always benefits those that want money , power, and control.

It seems we are still in the caves grunting and procreating like animals.

There is hope as always that the gray matter and calm can see the light of truth will over power the screaming and bloodlettings of those that can only see fear and are afraid to step out into the knowledge of light and the ever changing truth of living,

It is a walkabout we all take in this journey called life and it waits for no one
This is what ?freedom is all about? it is always your choice..

I all have to say watching the actions of what I would call the lost souls it the ugly anger and hate trying to hide fear screaming and if they had a gun killing
Some poor soul there looking for answers about their child dying or a senior there wondering if they should buy a pill or cat food to live.

The animal in man is truly ugly.

Of course this is just an observation of the great armadillo,
Barrow A. Dillo
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by hungry1968-16 September 11, 2009 1:44 PM EDT
by afloatinasea September 11, 2009 1:30 PM EDT
hungry1968-16- Another big lie from a liberal. There is no such document. The CRS web site states the following. "This document not located on the open CRS database". So hungry kiss my royal American loving a$$.






It works for me. Try it again:

http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/


Or go to google and enter: "Treatment of Noncitizens in H.R. 3200" and click on the VERY FIRST LINK THAT COMES UP!!!!



I think you found it, it shot your BS all to hell, and now you're in denial that the ACTUAL CRS DOCUMENT exists!!!

Where's the link to YOUR BS article?
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