Prior Victim "Horrified" Over Jaycee Story

Katherine Callaway Hall was abducted and raped by Phillip Garrido in 1976. She was 25.

He was convicted and sentenced to 50 years behind bars, but served only 11.

Now, Garrido stands accused of kidnapping Jaycee Lee Dugard and repeatedly raping her while keeping her captive for 18 years, during which Dugard bore two children authorities say are Garrido's.

On "The Early Show" Wednesday, Hall said she was "shocked" when she learned what police say Dugard went through.

"I was stunned," Hall told co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez. "I started shaking. ... I had some sense of relief, because he had finally been caught and he was going to be put away. But at the same time, I had overwhelming feelings of the fact that my fears (that he might strike again) had always been justified."

As details emerged of Dugard's ordeal, "I was horrified," Hall says. "I couldn't believe he went after a child. I could and I couldn't, because he went after an easier prey, but I thought it was horrible, absolutely horrible."

Hall's ordeal began when she gave Garrido a ride in her car. He overpowered her, took her to a warehouse, and raped her for eight hours before a police officer happened by.

"Survival instincts kicked in," Hall says. "I just had to be alert every second, every moment, I had to be aware of his frame of mind. I had to just figure out how to stay alive, how to connect with him on some kind of human level and make myself, you know, real to him, and not let him go off into a fantasy world."

Read more stories on the Dugard case on CBSNews.com:

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Witness: Jaycee's Kids Seemed Normal
Bone in Backyard: Is it Human?
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Slideshow: Inside Jaycee Dugard's Terror Tent

Hall says she can't imagine the terror an 11-year-old girl must have felt, allegedly at Garrido's hands. "He snatched her. ... He had to talk his way into the situation with me. And then it was my decision, stupid decision to give him a ride."

Hall says Garrido actually approached her again after he was released from prison. "He never identified himself, but I recognized him," she told Rodriguez. "He came up to my roulette wheel (at her workplace in Lake Tahoe, Nev.) and, you know, very threateningly said, 'Hello, Katie,' and started asking probing questions about my history, about how I'd been dealing, how I'd been."

She called polilce.

Hall says she feels guilty that she may not have done enough to try to keep Garrido imprisoned.

What wouls she like to see now? "I want him put away forever, or I want him executed. And I know that's harsh, but I'm sorry, I wish he'd never gotten out."

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parisdakar says:: The chair. Give him the chair. If anyone deserves it, it's him.; reply

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soapergirl says:

This is an issue that crosses party lines credibility2. I'm a liberal, (and proud of it) thank you very much, but on this issue we are very much in agreement, especially with regard to your last sentence. I'd support it.


credibility2 replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; I'm an Independent and when younger and at university, I, too, had liberal inclinations, but no more. Many problems are caused by too many liberal politicians. Liberals impacted many changes, some for the better, and others not for the better. The pervasive PC mentality, which is all touchy-feely and kumbaya, has contributed to criminals freely committing crimes knowing that they can trump the system with threats of intimidation of suing for violations of their rights, which has further caused law enforcement to often not do their jobs effectively; this has also led to too many criminals being allowed to either not serve their sentences fully, or are given what amounts to a slap on the wrist because of liberal-bent judges. As a nation, we've gotten too soft on crime for fear of violating so-called rights of criminals, or tie up the system with far too many appeal rights, costing all of us too much money to prosecute; we accommodate rather then forcefully prosecute; criminals aren't punished severely enough; why they have better health plans than most citizens; they have access to free education, free computer access, free cable, etc.; no incarcerated criminal should be given anything except punishment, not amenities; they're incarcerated because they committed a crime.

Under the PC mentality, which began decades ago, the rights of victims have been overlooked with the rights of the criminal taking precedent consideration. This horrific crime is the direct result of our system having been taken over by PC-mentality liberal types who have totally minimized the severity of many crimes and the criminal in favor of trying to understand the criminal's set of circumstances that may have contributed to their having committing crimes, in general (e.g. using the excuse of the criminal having had a poor childhood, abuse, blah, blah, blah - as if others haven't experienced this); those that have minimized the victim's in favor of the criminal's are just as much to blame for these crimes as are the perpetrators. Anytime a criminal's life or rights are valued more than those of their victim's, the system is corrupt and those affiliated with it are equally corrupt and guilty.


tmittelstaed replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; I'm a liberal and I don't have any problems with the death penalty in these circumstances, but I do have a problem with the death penalty in circumstances like that which occurred in Texas in 2004 - where they executed an innocent man, Cameron Todd Willingham. Just this week the Texas Forensic Science Commission released yet another report confirming Willingham's innocence - keep in mind the State of Texas has dragged expert after expert into this case the last half-decade in a futile attempt to prove that the execution was justified.

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credibility2 says:

Anyone who tries to defend and otherwise find excuses for this evil wasted piece of so-called manhood, needs in-depth psychiatric counseling; they must also harbor similar desires. And for anyone to somehow fault any of his victims, well they should also seek in-depth psychiatric counseling. Criminals like this should be given the death penalty, which is how most laws were until the bleeding heart liberals thought that to be too cruel a punishment. The only way to stop these types is with the death penalty as the ultimate form of punishment. The death penalty doesn't work now because it's not used enough. Those in the system that let this guy off the hook are equally as guilty as he, as are any who helped him. Society has been greatly diminished by being too understanding, compassionate and accommodating towards criminals like this. The death penalty should be re-instated for crimes of rape, regardless of the age of the victim, but especially in cases involving minors.


credibility2 replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; I meant to state that "...The death penalty doesn't work now as a deterrent to crime because it's not used enough."


gmw7777 replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; I couldn't have said it better myself. Let me add just two points: for those who are anti-religious, read the Old Testament. Many reasons are given for a penalty of death and for one reason: a society cannot tolerate crimes of such magnitude because they will ultimately cause the destruction of society. In the New Testament, note that Jesus wasn't referring to crimes such as murder, etc. And He talked far more about damnation than most people would like to admit. So did St. Paul.

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tmsaurman says:: "Survival instincts kicked in," Hall says. "I just had to be alert every second, every moment, I had to be aware of his frame of mind. I had to just figure out how to stay alive, how to connect with him on some kind of human level and make myself, you know, real to him, and not let him go off into a fantasy world."

If an adult had to do this to stay alive with this man, can you imagine what a little girl had to do. It is unimaginable. This monster needs to be put to death. And the woman who helped him? She needs to be put in a prison cell for the rest of her life; reply

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ShotgunReynolds says:

Many times I feel would be nice to be able 2 go back...U know, 2 when people took care of "business" more or less on thier own. NO laws. No Church tellin' U how U should live. "In the old days", when this freak manipulated, then raped...he would have been killed by her father, brother or uncle...and he would never have been able to kidnap, molest, rape and fatner children agin. Be nice if the world were so simple.


docpeter1953 replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; Well then, what you are suggesting is almost sharia law.

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soapergirl says:: This story horrifies me as well. How horrible for both Ms. Hall and Ms. Dugard. It is a nightmare which will always be at the back of their minds. I do hope both are the getting the care of concerned, gentle professionals. I agree, I'd like to see every sexual pervert and rapist that preys on defenseless women and children out there fried! JMO.; reply

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DaBroiler says:: Fry him.; reply

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soccerstarr314 says:

Every sex offender should be shot and then we wouldnt have any repeat offenders, not really hard to figure out!


leeanna59 replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; Wouldn't castration also work?

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taxchurches says:

One isn't sure what to say about such an idiotic post as the one left by GODISMYSHADOW. Presumably it is merely some jagoff hoping to spark comment, which indicates a troubled person right there. Perhaps it is just a pathetically bad writer, making a failed stab at irony or humor. There is little need to point out that not being "a saint" doesn't entitle anyone to do you violence or rape you for eight hours. I won't even puzzle over how driving a car is an "evil," necessary or otherwise. I find it easy to believe, though, that this person is devout; comments like this one, along with the type of behavior Garrido has repeatedly shown, are demonstrative of the detachment from reality intrinsic and necessary to religious belief. That is precisely what is wrong with it.


orangeleslie replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; Well said Taxchurches!

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GODISMYSHADOW says:

If Hall drives around in an automobile she is no saint either in my opinion. There is the risk of knocking over a pedestrian. She might tell you driving is a necessary evil. She was driving her infernal machine when this terrible thing happened after giving Garrido a lift. Hall should try and forgive.


orangeleslie replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; You make no sense what so ever! This scares me alot! Please get some counseling!


leeanna59 replies:: linkicon reporticon emailicon; I don't think people should apologize when speaking of the death penalty. When an unspeakable, inhumane, monster commits despicable crimes, and there is no hope of rehabilitation, why should society pay to keep the monster alive? The money it costs to house, feed and provide medical care in prison could most certainly be used for anything else that would provide a positive outcome. Death by lethal injection or firing squad is probably to humane an end for such monsters.