Jaycee's Stepdad: Her New Life "Like Mars"

Jaycee Lee Dugard Reunited with Family; Her Children Believed She Was Their Sister, Stepdad Says

(CBS)  After 18 years, Jaycee Lee Dugard, 29, is now reunited with her family.

Jaycee's stepfather Carl Probyn said on "The Early Show" Monday, Jaycee and the two daughters she bore while confined are taking in their new life in California step by step.

"It's like being on Mars," Probyn said. "This is a brand new situation. ... It's pretty remarkable what they have to face."

Probyn said it's going to take a long time for his stepdaughter and her daughters to integrate into a life outside of captivity, but they are receiving assistance from National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

Probyn said Jaycee's daughters believed she was their sister, and didn't know she was abducted.

Jaycee, who was abducted at age 11 from her bus stop, said she feels guilty for bonding with her abductor, Probyn said. He added her children cried when Garrido was arrested.

"They were a family," he told "Early Show" co-anchor Maggie Rodriguez. "...They were attached to each other."

Probyn added his wife, Terry, said Jaycee's daughters, who were reportedly fathered by her abductor, are "clingy," yet very intelligent -- despite never attending school.

Police are still looking for evidence on her kidnapper Phillip Garrido's Antioch, Calif. property. New photos of the background tent compound where Jaycee allegedly lived for 18 years have been released. Officials are still treating the Garrido home as a crime scene.

Both Phillip Garrido and his wife, Nancy, have pleaded not guilty to a total of 29 counts, including forcible abduction, rape and false imprisonment.

Read more stories on the Dugard case at CBSNews.com:

Witness: Jaycee's Kids Seemed Normal
Bone in Backyard: Is it Human?
Garrido Revealed Rape Fantasy in Testimony
Jaycee Lee Dugard's Daughters Cried When Their Father, Phillip Garrido, Was Arrested
Slideshow: Inside Jaycee Dugard's Terror Tent
Slideshow: Jaycee Lee Dugard Found Alive

Also appearing on "The Early Show" were the two women who helped crack the case: Allison Jacobs, a University of California at Berkeley police officer, and Lisa Campbell, manager of the University of California Police Department Special Events. To hear how they discovered Jaycee Lee Dugard, click on the video below:


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[rickk421]

What compels us to do harm to others for personal satisfaction? Why do mature educated human beings have a need to prey on their young? There are so many horror stories today of mental and physical pain and anguish, I feel sick to my stomach at times. I am over 50 now, spent 20 in the military and my wife and I have two daughters of our own who grew to adulthood without worrying about any sexual trauma or abuse in their home. It appears they were lucky as it is becoming more and more ?normal? for children and young adults to experience abuse. Why are we so compassionate a nation when it comes to people like these? What are we, the people of America becoming?

To all you who have suffered, all I can give is my sincere empathy and hope for you. To anyone who has abused children or young adults; with all who I am I hope that you can experience the same grave fear and excruciating pain you so willingly gave to others.

[georgefranklin22]

The Task Ahead: A Report to the Committee on Ideas and Discussions on Contemporary Socialism and its Furtherance in America

Delivered to the Progressive Organization, Davis Wharf, VA: to be defined as archive under consideration, prior to consent of Progressive Organization Chairman, draft document 2 September 2009

(Draft report: final edited publication to be forwarded Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee for consideration)

(Co-chairmen commentary suggests language and tone too radical. Rewrite sections 2.5, 2.6. Remove section 1.2 'PUMAs'.
REMOVE references to 'Leader', 'Stalin', 'Lenin', 'Obamist', 'Clintonist')

(Under review: not for publication, members give consent not to replicate or distribute report until consent granted after Congressional break)
(DLCC(b))


Socialism in America: Change

History

By 2007, public rupture with imperialism was complete. The call for workers to overthrow the bourgeoisie was heard. At this time the bourgeoisie was complacent, with the anti revolutionary classes being confident that the proletariat would not unite under one Leader.

In 2008, the enemy began to sense danger, and tried to drive a wedge between those revolutionaries supporting the Clintonist wing of the Party, and those supporting the Obamist wing. Rush Limbaugh, a well known capitalist enemy, tried to use 'tactics' to divide the movement, however his gutter dog methods failed.

John McCain, as the representative of the oppressors, ineptly decided to choose the vulgar Sarah Palin as his 'running mate'. A true enemy of the revolutionary masses, Palin attempted to encourage violence against comrade Obama.

This bullying tactic, so familiar to the ruling class, did not work. The people, disgusted with the rampant accumulation of riches by the power elite, threw off their chains and rose up to take power.

The Clintonists have been reconnected with the national ideology of the Party.

PUMA ? defects and double dealings of these Party enemies

Here, remark must be made upon the small, mendacious group of wreckers who are called 'PUMA': according to these snakes, the acronym stands for 'People United Means Action'. However, the true title of the group is an antirevolutionary slogan, 'Party Unity My Ass'.

When Comrade Obama took power, members of PUMA who were willing to renounce their allegiance to Palin and McCain, were welcomed back into the Party.

To comrade Clinton goes our allegiance, they said! But actions speak louder than words! Their votes flowed to the imperialist oppressors

As Palin spoke at the convention of the ruling elite, these salivating dogs pronounced early victory. How wrong they were!

According to research conducted by the National Committee into party enemies, members of PUMA still exist. These treacherous creatures pretend to support revolutionary progress but in fact are blatantly against socialist ideology. They claim to be female emancapists! But only the Party can, and has engaged in social progress towards this end.

So those PUMAs who remain committed to their filthy cause are identified as enemies and will be treated as such.

Party conduct ? stages of revolution

What, then, is the next stage in the socialist revolution?

The permanent dictatorship of the proletariat must be completed within two stages. The first concerns the welfare of the country, and the loyal countrymen. The second concerns the identification and elimination of enemies, spies, wreckers, and counterrevolutionaries.

What must be done?

Collectivisation of property and wealth, and elimination of Party enemies and defectives

Collectivisation

Let us heed the words of our leader, Comrade Obama: "spread the wealth around."

The wealth will pass into the hands of the state. All works, factories, land and property will pass under the control of the Party. Private ownership of banks, transport and the press will be abolished to encourage a fundamentally socialist organisation of society.

While land, banks, factories and places of production remain in the hands of the bourgeoisie, capitalism remains in full force. This inequality must be fixed.

The beginning of this transition to socialism has begun with the Party taking control of state health care. Put not your trust in town hall meetings! Ignore the garbage minds of those who preach against revolution and against the Party. Their fragile rhetoric and aggression (the two primary tactics of the imperialist) will come to nothing.

How empty-headed the oppressor is! See his attempt to maintain power! Is it not clear to him that his days are numbered? That soon he shall be crushed, along with all those who support him!

[gramto8]

This has nothing to do with a little girl being kidnapped, held for 18 long years, raped repeatedly and forced to be a second 'wife' to a person who should have been in prison.

In answer to your post, you are doing what you accuse Palin of doing.

[AttentionDeficit]

shizzle: what has this got to do with politics?

[gerbiber]

This ends with Jaycee being a two family child. Phillip & his wife will remain in jail for almost the remainder of their lifes. For Phillip this is a "mission accomplished."

Jaycee will raise two children with her natural mother involved. Jaycee may meet another man & marry later & have a typical life.

No big impact, i mean she's not going to become a stockbrocker I feel, but would she have anyhow?

She's a human female, and I feel it's likely that she would have had children anyhow. So that didn't change.

Accurate assessment of the impact of this not read very often. What we are screaming at like a pack of monkeys is just an unpreferred method of procreation.

Jaycee has a little bit of learning to catch-up on and soon sh will want to meet a man of her choosing.

She'll be exceptionally curious to see, and travel. Jaycee probably would make a fun person to show around and tour with, she's attractive, and putting a smile on her face would make a man happy.
She will have suitors courting her soon.

[gramto8]

I am having a difficult time understanding how you can just say that this is in the normal. This child was abducted, raped, held prisoner for 18 years, and made pregnant at 13 (had the baby at 14). I have grandkids that age, and 13 is FAR too young to be having babies. I do know that a low of kids are sexually active at that age; I do not have my head in the sand on that. However, their being active sexually is by CHOICE and not by force. BIG DIFFERENCE!!

This girl will probably have a hard time trusting anyone for a long time. With all that has happened to her, I don't blame her.

[gramto8]

lot* of kids

[gerbiber]

There exists the possibility that the abductor has abducted other little girls, as they are looking around the property. If he is found to have abducted & murdered other girls then i would suspect he was abducting for the purpose of bringing them home & assessing them for breeding potential....and if they failed they were murdered.

Likely if selecting a child to serve as a breeder, you choose one which is compliant & shows no signs of a "wild hair." Like choosing a wild Mustange (horse) to tame. generally you do not one that's a screamer & complainer. Also, human children are genetically programmed to cooperate...it's in everyone's genes.

Cooperation with the group is a genetic trait that allowed us to succeed. e.g., if we pay attention, watch & listen, then we learn & profit--it's all quite natural.

Also, I suspect that Jaycee was likely given Pot to keep her cool headed & high, and may have even been given arousal drugs when Phillip wanted sex, and she may have actually had waht was seemingly a great sex life with Phillip because of arousal drugs--which may have affeted her health. If a drug like cocaine was used then jaycee have heart issues in the future.

After gibing birth to the 1st child, then everything changed for Jaycee, being istinctively dedicated to baby care, and all that pregnancy time & experience, i see no chance for her to have run away.

She's lucky to be alive, i doubt she in good health, as i suspect she may have been given illicit drugs. She's only in fair health given that she's not 'diseased,' or malnourised.

The condition of her heart is likely not good.

[TheMasses2002]

Jaycee's Stepdad: Her New Life "Like Mars"
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1) There is no atmosphere on Mars in which humans can breathe.
2) No human has been to Mars (including Jaycee's Stepdad).

I don't think his statement is neither true nor accurate.

[gramto8]

Just had to be an arse, didn't you? Almost everyone else realizes that the stepdad meant that Jaycee is having to learn to live in a totally foreign environment, even though it is still here on earth. The 'like Mars' comment is to show that her whole world has been so far removed from what it was that she is now having to adjust to everything. I would imagine that she was not allowed access to the Internet, cable or satellite tv, or myriad other advances which are common today.

[willow013]

To TheMasses2002: JUST SHUT UP!!!!!!

[bluharley]

It sounds like an insurmountable challenge to me. I wish them all well.

[SteveInSA]

Tina Marie, you're very brave, thanks for telling your story. Perhaps you could go to the news media so you can tell the world, hopefully helping others from being victimized and possibly encouraging others to come forward.

-Steve

[Hosheen]

"yet very intelligent -- despite never attending school." Do these people think attending school makes you intelligent? Mostly, schools suppress intelligence by demanding that you accept what you are told without ever questioning anything. This accounts for religion, politics, professional wrestling, and NASCAR.

[sam-kiley]

bonjour
le témoignage du beau pére et trés émouvant, il a l'air effondré le pauvre
aussi je comprends parfaitement que jaycée soit dépaysée dans son nouvel entourage et avec deux filles ..je lui souhaite du courage, sa famille sera là pour elle et ses petites
ce qui m'étonne dans cette histoire c'est que jaycée ait été séquestrée par des malades pendant des années..et nul ne s'est rendu compte de leur présence, meme pas leur voisins ('ceux des garridos) cette version des faits est incroyable et ne tient pas debout, ils avaient des complices..??????..au revoir.

[bghayd]

Toldyouso, while I do agree with some of what you say I?m afraid some, I defiantly cannot agree with. The mind too can be raped. A high minded attitude, does not remove the torturous abuse withstood by the mind as it lives through these experiences. Even long after the body abuse is over. Just living with such memories and even unjustified shame, can continue to take a mental toll. Toldyouso, what you say almost sounds like something an abuser might say trying to give some false solace to the abused. Tina Marie has done a marvelous job of coming back from a terrible body and mind experience. The body has long since healed. The mind will always need support both from its own slow mental recuperative processes, and from those people around this lady. Tina Marie, it sounds like you have come very far back from a long and exhausting experience, a mind experience, a mental experience. Write that book. You have a story to tell that we all should hear. Thank you

[tinamariepal]

I thank all of you for reading and it is my prayer that we all pray for Jaycee and family. One thing I learned....it doesn't matter how bad ,how little or much....abuse is abuse and if it happened to you it will rob you of your blessings that your were intended to have....unless you can get this out of you...it is a cancer that eats the soul.....I wish I could write a book or tell the whole world how it looks after 30 years....It can be a future of hope and peace with the right support system...God bless all of you and I pray that if abuse was in your world that you find a way for it not steal your soul.....

[Solarrays247]

((((((((((((tinamariepal))))))))))))

What a beautiful soul you are! They did not defeat you, my dear sweet lady! ;=)

[searingtruth]

"Children should not know fear, or death, or suffering, for it is not their lot to know. Theirs is a time for joy, and wonder, and a time of great discovery. Let them never despair, or hurt, or want. This should be our highest calling, and our most sincere dedication."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave

[sayfud-deen]

look,!the only people that benefit from crimes are the criminal justice system! it's called job security! let's look at what was done and what should have been done. this guy went to jail for rape and he got out! now he kidnapped a young girl,fathered two children by her,forcing them to live in horrible conditions, and more! this is what you get with man-made laws.in contrast,if Gods laws were used as they should be,this guy would have been put to death on the first rape! and this is not an isolated case! God's law would have eliminated all that followed. no marriage to the crazy women,no kidnapping,no illegitimate children,no ruined lives! we think that we are wiser than our creator. we are not! the proof is ,what is going on in the society! chop a persons head off in public for crimes of this nature and watch the crime rate drop! if the people don't want to follow God's laws,then don't cry about the outcome. God's way,order. man's way ,chaos!

[toldyouso29]

People often question how God can let things like this happen or what did they do to deserve this to happen to them. The answer is many fold but here is the gist:

1. You are not your body, you are your spirit.
2. YOur body is just the vehicle used to travel while on earth
3. God made rules that stated all those who will be on the earth must be born of a woman and die--even Jesus, the Son of God and the Word, had to follow this rule
4. But the body is a temporary vessel --like a car. It is for existing on earth on this plane and the earth is like a huge experiment or testing ground
5. If you could imagine that your spirit is housed in a car, and that the car is your flesh and blood then it begins to make sense why God does not despair when the car is totaled but the spirit walks free.

Think of it like this--God lets bad happen so we can learn and so that those who go through can help others--like Tina Marie is trying to help others now--the REAL TINA Marie was never raped or beat or abused--just her natural body was.
God is not mean or cruel--we just get caught up in our flesh or these vehicles and so we sweat wars, disease and bad things happening. God is a Spirit, he does not despair what happens to your temporary vehicle because he knows nothing on this plane can harm your Spirit. Spirits live forever.

God is concerned what you do or how you react after your vehicle is placed in a certain position. He would that people realize they are NOT their cars or their flesh-- that is just a testing ground and the many experiences are like many experiments.

This is important to realize so that you can learn from a horrendous experience without dwelling in it or getting so caught up in it that you lose all hope. WE all have had bad experiences. Some more horrendous in others--but what does not kill you will make you stronger AND like a clay cup or a smelted pot--you will be a stronger vessel for having gone through the fire. The fire tempers and hardens metal so that you can withstand more than that which was never tried.

it is never nice or fun to go through the fires--but it is necessary--not only so that we each can separate ourselves from our flesh, but that so in going through you can help others. God Bless you Tina and I am so happy that you made it through--you are not this skin, this hair, this flesh--they can do a lot to your body but they cannot touch your mind unless you let them ,and they cannot touch your spirit unless you will it--even in the end, the only way for you to let evil win, is to perpetuate it--doing similar evil to others like was done to you. Evil won in that man when he raped you, and in your mom when she gave into him. Evil won in Phillips Garridos wife when she helped him to kidnap and rape and hold the Duggard girl--but the only way evil ever wins is if you become like the evil one who harmed you--If you stop the cycle and never turn girls over to be raped, if you protect your daughters--then evil loses big time and your Spirit? TRIUMPHS. Don't sweat what happens to the flesh, it was made to be here but a short time, then it always is destroyed--worry about that which could destroy the Spirit. Take care and all the best.

[Hosheen]

What a bunch of religious claptrap. How any thinking human being could believe that nonsense is amazing to me. But it's pretty obvious that you religious nuts (are you are nuts, as in crazy) don't believe in freedom of speech or thought.

Lucky for you there is no heaven or hell, for you would surely burn forever for spreading such arrant stupidity.

[tmittelstaed]

Well, what do you expect? The human mind cries out for justice. In these cases the only way the victim would be truly contented is if they could kill their captor. But most times the captor is caught and hustled off to jail and then goes into life imprisonment and the victim can never touch him again, or pay him back for what he did to her. And in cases where the mother gangs up against the child, the child is then in the position where they can never be happy, because if they kill their mother to pay her back, then they have killed their parent, so either way they lose. So the only other way out for the victim to gain any contentment is to create this "religious claptrap" as you call it, and believe in it.

Don't begrudge them this. Can you hand these victims the heads of their abusers on a plate? If not, then you are in no position to criticize whatever religious crutches that they develop. If believing in the religious claptrap gives them some small contentment, and helps them negotiate the opposite desires to kill and love their mothers, then what is wrong with it.

Some day toldyouso's abuser and parent will be dead of old age, and she will still be alive, at that time she will have the contentment of knowing that they can never hurt her again, and she may then become completely whole. But until then, a part of her has been taken away by her mother and abuser, and as long as they are alive, whether they are in jail or not, she can't get that part back. Religion is a poor substitute, but it -is- a substitute, one that she can use to hold herself together until they day comes that she can be whole again.

[tinamariepal]

If I could tell Ms. Jaycee and the family one thing it would be this...."the truth does set you free...no matter what it is ...talk, talk , talk, about everything....it will heal when nothing else can....The key is talking to the right people....The support system has to be there or all efforts will fail... I did not have it. Lots of trials and errors were made..failed marriages...failed freindships, so many trust issues, I had to figure out how to do this on my own (actually the credit goes to me GOD) and then I became very hungry for life at age 38....I love my work (20 years of floral design) ...it's very therapeutic... but I kept educating myself....I kept wanting to know more about everything...Then it became as life was like Christmas everyday...I could find a new present everyday..of hope,knowledge,learning computers and software, learning how to write letters, photography,learning everything I could...I developed a Christian 12 step recovery program a few years back at a little mission where people were not strong enough to make it anywheres else...someone else encouraged me to do it...I couldn't believe that I was actually facilitating such a group...I was able to identify and share and speak on just about any emotion or problem they had...They were so hungry for someone that was like them...that understood.....I have met alot of good people that just needed a little help...I support the arts as this is truly a way to release yourself (so I feel) ...well, I will again say thank you....and God Bless

[onenvrnos]

Tina Marie,

Thank you for sharing your story. Many of us have shared in some of the darker things of life, but few of us have experienced the horrific events that have befallen you and Jaycee. One must have a lot of strength and faith to make it through life after facing such ordeals. May God continue to comfort you, and thank you.

[truegoddess]

Tina Marie, congratulations for finally telling the world what happened to you. I've had a bit of abuse, but nowhere near as bad as that which you've had to put up with. I'm glad your life is better now. Mine is better now, too.

[toldyouso29]

Unfortunately, Tina Marie's story and stories like hers are very common. I knew several girls who had stories similar to Tina Maries with either their dad or their mom's boyfriend raping them and the mother turning on the child. Someone noted that Jaycee made the best of her life and adapted--it was either do that or die. If you notice, many children who are repeatedly or horrendously abused and/or raped are not known until as adults they finally speak out. The human body is resilient and people learn to accept what they cannot change or else to die or go crazy. But the human MIND has limits and at some point (usually when the smoke clears and the danger is receding) the mind demands answers and reconciliation...then the victim has to relive what they have gone through and try to heal themselves. Unfortunately, there is very little help from therapists or others and often, if a child tells , they are either not believed, blamed or the therapists may also sexually abuse them knowing they already have a history. THIS is the true tragedy of America--because in us allowing this to be the future of our children, these will be the children in chaRGE of our country and us as we age--and it is a bleak future filled with very damaged people who we all like to pretend had horror committed in a vacuum. Look into your family trees--there will not be many that do not have their tales of incest, rapes, abuse--etc --it will be those stories that the grown ups don't want to talk about and which the kids hear murmured then silence as everybody--ashamed of that history tries to find a way to excuse the abuse or claim why it could not be true or not have happened to them for Tina Marie--in the next post, baby girl--I have something just for you or anyone else that has been abused to understand.

[tinamariepal]

Please forgive me for such a long post...I hope not to have offended anyone and pray that this doesn't reach alot of children for now....i am not a whackco and everything I told is so true...it took so many years to make the choice to say anything on this level because I never wanted to hurt anyone because something like this effects so many people that do or do not understand. Again thank you

[lovely4683]

Tina Marie,

I just have to tell you what a beautiful angel you are. Thank you for sharing your heart breaking but miraculous life story. The lord was always there with you as he is with all innocent children. I have a calling for children who have been abused and just children in particular. I am a mother of 3 girls and one-boy ages from 22 months-9yrs old. I try my hardest to protect them as much as I can from crazy sick people like this man you mentioned above. As much as I want to say what other people commented in this page about these bad people, I know it isn?t right and we are not the ones who can judge but I cant help it, I?m only human just like all these other people. I just think nothing but awful things to do to those heartless, sick animals!! It?s a terrible thing that it happens all around the world, as I type away, it is happening to some poor innocent child right now. I would give my life in a blink of an eye if I could for all children. They are so precious and gift from the lord. People such as yourself... I just want to one day be able to travel around and do gods work by helping his children. I cannot relate to what you and Jaycee have gone through but I have just been through it while reading your story... its like I was there the way you tell it. I couldn?t fight my tears here at work reading your post. But then they were tears of joy to know you are safe and living for the lord. You are a great inspiration to other woman and a blessing!


GOD BLESS YOU!
M.S.

[John_Merritt]

Tina Marie:

That is mind boggling to share in such a manner. What is even better is the 'peace of understanding' you have acquired regarding the horrible trauma's of your past. You see God promised that He would give us this peace if we only trust in Him. Sometimes the most heart wrenching things occur to the best people, but there is a reason.

If someone other than yourself might have experienced what you did, many would have fallen back into themselves and would not be able to be a witness to others. You have recovered because you continued to search for the answers. You my friend are to be admired because you have believed. Your faith is a demonstration of your relationship with Father God and shows that He holds you very special in His eyes.

May you continue to grow and share because the help you have provided to others who have been spewing hatred on this and other sites, maybe able to change their views to show compassion on the victims and allow justice to run its course.

Our laws and our ways are supposed to be just, and more times than not do not fail us. (Except this one time where a man with a 50 year sentence served 20% of it. The justice?) Again thank you for sharing your story. I hope you can help others as you have helped me this evening.

[tinamariepal]

scared....By this time I was already traumatized and spent the next 5 years in captivity....moving from one place to another....had a child...he let me go to the doctor once and I had the baby in Moore City Oklahoma, he removed me from the hospital quickly because they knew I wasn?t 18 years old...he kept us hidden in the woods near a lake and kept the babies milk cold in the cool water...there is just too much to tell...but I was captive for 5 years...brutally raped and beaten...brainwashed....when I finally was strong enough at 18 to run away from him...a whole new set of circumstances developed...he came to my mothers house and got my baby...and kidnapped him....child was gone for 7 or 8 months....then he was arrested for something unrelated and had the child well rehearsed to tell them that his mother was dead...well they finally got my name out of my baby's mouth and realized what was going to unfold...In 1984 there was no knowledge or how to handle these types of situations...They place my child in a foster home ...I had 5 psychiatrists working with me...it was awful...I was like an animal that had been in cage that someone opened a door and turned me loose...Everything happening so fast...people not knowing what to do except the best they could...I was sentenced so I thought at the time to a life of secrecy ....shame....not ever having anyone that I could talk to about this that really understood....I just wanted to die but knew my religion taught that you could not go to heaven if you committed suicide....I prayed for death on so many occasions during captivity and after for many years...I did not know why I would do the things that I did nor did my family understand.....I felt like a monster ..like a Frankenstein that had to keep my secret...because I did not want to hurt anyone...my son...my mother...my family...poor things were uneducated and did not know what to do....often I was asked the same questions that are being asked of Ms. Jaycee. I tried to talk and tell people every now and then and it would hurt them so bad they would sob unmercifully. People treated me like a weirdo....if I told so eventually I learned how to fabricate stories about who I was and where I came from....I am now 43 years old tomorrow...I have kept secrets for 30 years....I prayed so many times to be able to help someone...I watch the news and when these things come up about missing children...it horrifies me...I just want to help them understand what happens and what to expect for the next coming years...In my case I lived...but only in body.......I chose this time because the burden was to heavy...not to speak out...I have watched the cases thru the years....and would just cry because somehow ....sometimes there were questions that people couldn?t understand the answers to....so it was easier to just think negatively...It is now 30 years later and a lot of scars ....but I wanted to somehow get this message to Ms. Jaycee Dugard.....and anyone else that couldn't ever tell or understand what happened to them...I pray that the media and people will be gentle with her...and those children....but God in heaven knows she and the girls will need some serious spiritual and psychological guidance as well as her family. My case is a little different...but I promise you.....the feelings are the same...I'm so happy to see the breakthroughs that are being made. I never had the chance to tell my story...I think a lot of it was because everybody kept quiet because of the roll they all played in it....I would be happy for at the right time...no matter how long...for Ms. Jaycee to hear my story....I too developed a bond with my captor...I shut down mentally and became someone else...to survive ...it wasn?t until I was 38 years old that I finally started breaking the ice...I am in school again...for certificate training of event planning and conference management...my husband has a 5 star restaurant that I help out there....I have a small flower shop...next door to the restaurant?he is very well known in our community and there will be a lot of people that will recognize who I am...but it will all be worth it...to maybe help someone after something this traumatic happens...I have life experience....I had to wade thru so many opinions and emotions...I was told that I would either end institutionalized for the rest of my life or commit suicide.....I really feel like I won....I really won this race...I am so blessed with so much wisdom and knowledge just about how life works and how it happens....how to forgive myself and others so that I was able to move on...negative emotion will never let you progress to the next step....I learned that I'm ok to feel the things that I felt...that I'm not a monster and there is true hope and peace that comes even after something this horrible happens.

[tinamariepal]

....I would like to introduce myself...My name is Tina Marie and I live in Shreveport La. I want to give you facts about myself because I want you to understand that I do not have a hoax story or am I a weirdo...Very far from it. I have a business and so does my husband ...I have 5 dogs, 1 child 27 years old, 2 grandchildren and a wonderful life. In 1979 I was introduced to a man that was supposed to be my father....I had lived with my mother and a step father for 10 years...Prior to this. I lived with my grandparents and my aunt...My mother was 17 years old when she gave birth to me... She was not married...thru my young life I had always knew that I was different or really made to feel different because my last name was different from the other children. As I said ...at 13...I was introduced to the man that was supposed to be my birth father...I was actually introduced to what I thought then to be the devil himself...From the 1st day...he let me know that he made me and that he could do whatever he wanted with me...and hurt me very bad and told me this was the way it was going to be...I was in immediate shock and did not know how to tell my mother...I had never had sex was never before in an environment where things like this happened..... For the next 3 months I would run from this man trying to get away while my mother thought that it was going to be a relationship there between him and her...She had left my step father because of the abuse she received and so now she was starting down a new road to a new life in the wrong direction.....I was excited kind of for having my own new dad....since everybody else had one but I knew there was something wrong...I was a very meek and humble child unlike my brothers and sister. He hit me tortured me when my mother wasn't looking and demanded that I give him what he wanted or he would leave and I would never know him....I just couldn't believe that this was happening...Finally 1 month later on November 3 1979...he raped me while my mother was in the next room ....I was a virgin...when he was finished...he went into the next room and told my mother of what he did...and told her that I wasn't enough that he wanted her and me.....My mothered was so mad as if I had done something wrong?.she wanted to kill me...they fought and he left with me to his mother's house?.my mother came the next day and that day my life changed forever....They called me into the room ..I felt something was not right but I dare not ever disobey because we would get a whipping for that?..I entered the room and my mother and him both had sex with me...this continued on a few times ..I can finally understand what happened in my mind....My mother could not live with what she had done...so she left me there with him...with his mother and he also had an 18 year old wife that was pregnant...He was 36 years old...So for a short while I went to school in the daytime and was a slave at night...He even made the 18 year old sleep with me....my mother had phoned sometime in December and said it was time for her to come and get me that we needed to put our family back together without him....she was in south Louisiana where we had been raised.....they fought on the phone and he said she could not have me...That night he took me to a secluded wooded area and beat me so bad...he would choke me until I was nearly to pass out and then he would let me breathe. He told me that I ever tried...ever ever tried to get away...he would kill me....that there was no place for me to run to......the next day he packed my things...and he kidnapped me...he made his wife go with us...she eventually got away in Corpus Christi, Texas....I ask her to please let me go with her...she refused..... I was so

[mattiasthatsme]

The main victims in this case are Jaycee's parents. Their daugther adapted to her new life pretty fast, I think, and the morbid became a normality. Of course, I don't know what went on in that backward. Apparently there had been parties there with men gathering, and sometimes a woman was heard screaming according to at least one neighbor. When people hear about an 11 year-old being kidnapped and held captive for 18 years, we expect her to be a tortured soul, a wreck. It turns out she made the best of her existence there and bonded with the kidnappers. The human mind is tricky. Still strange that Jaycee wasn't more curious about the world.

[wallhome09]

GARRIDO IS GOING TO WANT THE PUBLIC TO THINK HE IS MENTAL USING GOD FOR HIS ESCAPE GOAT, BUT HE IS FAR FROM MENTAL, HE HAD ENOUGH COMMON SENSE TO ABDUCT THE CHILD, BUILD THE SILENT FORT/COMPOUND, AND EVEN EVADE THE POLICE, PAROLE OFFICE, AND PUBLIC CLIENTS THRU ALL THESE YEARS, WITHOUT CAUSING ONE RED FLAG TO GO OFF. HE IS NOT MENTAL HE WAS VERY INTELLIGENT, TO MASTERMIND THE CRIME AND MAKE IT WORK....TO BAD I AM NOT A JUDGE OVER SEX OFFENDERS, FIRST I WOULD HAVE THIER GENTILES CUT OFF, THEIR HANDS CUT OFF AND THEIR EYEBALLS REMOVED.... THEN I WOULD NOT ALLOW THEM TO BE RELEASED ONLY TO MAKE THE COURTS A PROMISE TO ENROLL ON THE SEX OFFENDER REGISTER. I WOULDN'T GIVE THEM THE OPPERTUNITY TO WALL OUT THE JAIL CELL. WHAT KIND OF PARENTS RAISED THESE DEMONIC MORANS......I BELIEVE IN HARD CORE BRUTUAL JUSTICE FOR ANY MAN OR WOMAN THAT WOULD TRY TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD OR EVEN TOUCH THEM IN ANY MANOR WHAT SO EVER. I AM TOTALY FOR "PUNISHMENT BY DEATH" FOR ALL SEX OFFENDERS, THEY DON'T DESERVE THE BREATH GOD ALMIGHTY ALLOWS TO ENTER THEIR NOSTRILS.... BETTER YET THEY NEED TO PUT A GUN TO THEIR HEAD AND BLOW THEIR BRAINS OUT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT A MAN AT ALL WHEN THEY ARE MOLASTING AN INNOCENT CHILD. ALL SEX OFFENDERS NEED TO DIE AND GO STAIGHT TO HELL, WHERE THEY BELONG......THEY ARE WASTED SPACE ON THE FACE OF THIS EARTH......

[Hosheen]

Obviously, you are a hard-core brutal person yourself. You have to shout (all capitals) to make sure you are noticed.

What a wonderful, if typical, example of christianity you are. No wonder more and more people are waking up to what a scam religion is and how you are all hypocrites.

[AttentionDeficit]

"I BELIEVE IN HARD CORE BRUTUAL JUSTICE FOR ANY MAN OR WOMAN THAT WOULD TRY TO HAVE SEX WITH A CHILD OR EVEN TOUCH THEM IN ANY MANOR WHAT SO EVER."

Gosh, that is dumb. Any manner whatsoever? So, you can't pick up your own baby?

[John_Merritt]

Hosheen, the reason 'wallhome' types in caps is that some get lazy in their rudimentary daily habits and it requires effort to hit the cap lock every few moments. Granted wall home is extreme in his views and I do not believe that is representative of christianity at all.

I can only imagine the experiences you might have had with so-called christians. We refer to these as 'wolves in sheeps clothing'. The very people you may be hating are not representative of MANY of my friends at all. I am sorry that you could not meet my friends who are just really neat people. We don't have much compared to man's standards, but what we do have we share with with whoever needs help.

Give it a chance, who knows who might look at this world and the people within a little different. I know, because I used to be in your shoes until I saw the light, and I walked towards it. Best move I ever made was to become a 'real christian'. God is good.

[dib-e]

Yes, "to bad" you aren't a judge. You may want to discover the wonders of typing in a normal voice and spellchecker when trying to make a point. Aside from that, you are on to something with hardcore justice, as I believe most people that engage in such behavior are highly resistent to rehabilitation through incarceration.

[rdupuy11]

Resistant to rehabilitation? It's more like, there isn't any rehabilitation, and then they are someday released, a bit older.

Still, if one were to consider rehabilitating people, this would be particularly difficult.

I think its reasonable to conclude two things, one is that even if there is some rate of rehabilitation possible, whatever the failure rate is, will be unacceptable to most people. If you could even somehow get 90% rehabilitated, that would imply 10% are not. If you release 10 people, 1 is going to commit more crimes.

Nevermind the rate is even higher than that, even at that rate, it isn't going to be good enough for society to accept.

Which is exactly why you get into the idea of lifetime parole, and constant checking....as a way of allowing some releases, but with understanding there is a recidivism rate. But that solution, as can be seen, has big problems.

And then what about the problem of false accusations? The problem of justice is two fold...guilty going away free, and innocent going to jail. Both happen, and both are issues.

Sexual crimes are in a vast range, all lumped together, from these brutal stranger abductions...all the way down to what is a normal divorce case, with one person making false accusations in order to obtain custody of children.

Imprisoning everyone for life, even if, the case isn't even proven, is an issue too.... we can't do that.

Frankly I think the reasonable approach is not to lump everything together and seperate the more extreme crimes, from the 'is this happening in the context of a contentious divorce' type of accusation.

Expect the harshest crimes will require life imprisonment as the solution.

Divorce style accusations can be entertained by a family court, but we should get out of the habit of convicting people without proof.

However in a case like today, where proof is there, definately, for these two....is the only reasonable answer I can see.