August 27, 2009 1:02 PM

Fighting Myths of Health Care "Takeover"

(AP)  Turns out you can fear a government takeover of health care even if the government already took over your health care.

How else to explain the reservations of seniors like 85-year-old Dee Jollie, who are covered by Medicare, the government health insurance program for Americans 65 and older, yet still have deep concerns about President Barack Obama's proposed health care overhaul?

"I think it'll be government control," Jollie said this week while waiting for her congressman to hold a health care town hall meeting at her upscale retirement home.

"When that occurs, you don't have any control," Jollie added. "I think we will no longer be able to choose our own doctor," she said - notwithstanding repeated claims to the contrary from Mr. Obama, whom she supported for president.

The trepidation that's taken hold among the elderly over President Obama's drive to remake the nation's health care system is turning into one more political headache for Democrats as they struggle to reach agreement on sweeping health legislation that can pass the House and Senate after Labor Day.

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Older Americans, who vote at a higher rate than other age groups, also hold deeper concerns than others about proposed health care changes, surveys have shown. An ABC/Washington Post poll this month found 45 percent of respondents overall supporting Democrats' proposed health care changes, while just 34 percent of seniors were in support. The elderly use health care services more than others and have perhaps the most to lose and least to gain from any changes in the present system.

Republicans are moving to exploit those concerns, producing a "Seniors' Health Care Bill of Rights" this week that touches on sensitive points, including protecting Medicare and ensuring government doesn't come between patients and doctors.

Democrats accuse the GOP of fear-mongering around claims about fictitious "death panels," rationing and nonexistent threats to Medicare, which covers 38 million seniors. They insist seniors' health care will be safeguarded.

"Nobody is talking about cutting Medicare benefits," Mr. Obama said during an online AARP forum in July. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius planned to visit a seniors' center in Washington, D.C., Thursday to greet residents and promote President Obama's health care agenda.

Yet a problem for Democrats is that mixed in with the misinformation are some real causes for concern, some analysts say.

Evolving health care legislation probably will be paid for in part by cutting some $500 billion from Medicare over 10 years. Mr. Obama and his supporters say the cuts would not affect benefits and would strengthen Medicare by reducing fraud and abuse and attacking inefficiencies (such as unnecessary hospital readmissions) and overpayments to insurance companies that operate private plans within Medicare. But some health care experts say some seniors will probably have to pay more along the way.

"Seniors are rightly concerned that half a trillion dollars in cuts might have some impact on access and quality of care," said Mark McClellan, a doctor and health economist who ran Medicare for former President George W. Bush and also served in the Clinton administration.

McClellan said the concerns could be particularly justified for the 25 percent of Medicare users who are covered through private Medicare Advantage plans, which would absorb about 30 percent of the cuts under Democratic proposals.

If Democrats can't succeed in allaying such fears, it could spell trouble for President Obama's goal of passing a health care overhaul bill this year.

"The American public in general has to be supportive of health care reform, and obviously seniors are a big part of that," said David Certner, legislative policy director at AARP, which has lost some 60,000 members recently over its support for a health care overhaul even though it has yet to endorse any specific proposal.

"They're big users of health care. And combining the fact that it's more personal to them as an issue and they vote in higher numbers, it's a critical constituency," Certner said.

Those Medicare cuts bothered some seniors at the Greenspring Retirement Community, where Democratic Rep. Gerry Connolly held his town hall.

"They're going to take it away from Medicare," Florence Arden, 86, said after the lively but civil meeting. She said Medicare is at risk because officials want to "cut down on all the programs ... and spread it around."

"No, it isn't," disagreed her friend and ballroom dancing companion Yvonne Fisher, 85.

"Yes, it is," Arden said.

"I think a lot of lousy myths are going around," Fisher said.

"I don't think this administration is too fond of older people," Arden countered.

Connolly and others say Democrats have done a poor job getting the message to seniors about how they could benefit under the legislation. Measures include reducing or eliminating a gap in prescription drug coverage under Medicare, eliminating co-pays and deductibles for preventive services, extending subsidies to more low-income seniors, and plowing some $245 billion into Medicare to ensure physician payments are not cut in coming years.

"You could see reassurance start to ripple through the audience as we got into substantive discussion, put out some fires, false fires, and started to talk about the basket of reforms that really make sense," Connolly said.

He noted that concerns about socialized medicine and government control were also expressed in the mid-1960s, when Medicare was created.

"Many of the same fears were voiced then," Connolly said. "Do you think one Republican in this room or one Democrat or one independent would give up his or her Medicare? Not one of them."

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by Sloughfoot August 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
ubrew12-you throw claims and numbers around like a difunctional word proccessor. If there were any basis to your statements you would credit the sources, unless of course you are.
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by ladyraestewa August 30, 2009 9:00 AM EDT
The problem with our health care system is we are the only non-third world country that doesn't provide affordable health care to every citizen. It's inexcusable. Yet, the rich (Republican senators) who have all the health care they need are constantly seeking to make sure their business buddies don't lose a single percent of their profits by attempting to scare everyone into fighting health care. Countries like Germany provide excellent health care for everyone -- EVERY SINGLE PERSON in that country has affordable, reliable, accessible health care. Businesses are not bankrupt, people are not giving up a kidney to get a broken leg fixed, the government isn't choosing their doctors. And the government doesn't engage in propagating fear on the issue. They just guarantee every single Germany citizen has health care --- and even the mom & pop stores with two employees provides it and still make a decent living for themselves. If people would pull their heads out of the sand and stop being such stupidheads, maybe we might actually prove we aren't the dumb#^@& we portray ourselves on these types of issues. Come on morons, if you want to remain stupid, then sit down and shut up! Please, for the sake of a country that actually needs some reasonable intelligence.
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by ubrew12 August 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT
The example of Germany and Japan is expecially relevant to this debate, because of the many Americans who are suspicious of 'government run health insurance'. In those countries, private insurers operate country-wide in a high-regulated open market, with laws preventing discrimination for pre-existing conditions, illness dumping, and excessive profit-taking. Basically, the gov't sets up an open market, heavily regulated, and lets private companies operate within it. As a result, many Germans keep their private insurer throughout their life. We could do the same here, and this might satisfy the many American's who've been trained by Rush Limbaugh to recoil at government-run anything.
by babooph August 29, 2009 8:40 PM EDT
"MYTH" -here is a fact -ins claims have been sent to the 3rd world,where "examiners" are paid a percentage of what they DENY!!!!The lobbied US propaganda system seems to have missed this one.
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by mav547166 August 29, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
The Govt cant even manage the health care of veterans and servicemenbers properly, just look at the "myths in the news" concerning the Veterans Administration and wounded soldiers and the problems they have had in the last few years. If you want "free to you"(hats off to taxpayers) health care the military is hiring. Just remember you get what you pay for.
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by rational_1 August 29, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
"I think a lot of lousy myths are going around," Fisher said.

Ya, and number one is that THIS time the Feds aren't going to screw up and actually put together an entitlement plan that is fiscally sound and sustainable, as opposed to Social Security and Medicare, which are rocketing towards insolvency. Barry's facing a slight credibility problem here.
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by 8bastet7 August 29, 2009 5:11 AM EDT
The current health care reform "monster" seems to have swallowed up good will and reasoning in a lot of people unless they didn't have it to begin with! The health crisis is like an enormous train highballing at tremendous speed and will cause the same type of "accident" that the banking system did. It needs to be stopped, turned around and set off in the right direction with proper -functioning engines and capable conductors. Now that there is a president willing and DARING enough to do this, he's having to face the inertia of fear, stupidity and GREED, GREED, GREED. When the pile-up hits, with all its devastating consequences, it'll be too late to cry. And by the way, who the hell is to blame for the current financial crisis, the two wars that we've undertaken illegally, greedily and uselessly? Couldn't that money have been used for health care, jobs, education, road and bridge repairs and forest fire-protection??? Why don't those town -hall scream-offs discuss all this? What kind of democracy are we showing to the world?
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by CitizenMikeM August 29, 2009 7:25 AM EDT
It seems to be a democracy with many half-witted sheep believing the lies of special interests time and time again, always failing to realize they are being used. Truth is the first casualty in politics.
by daffy64 August 28, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
Americans beware!! I'm Canadian and we have government run socialist health care here.

If you're over fifty and get sick, a "death panel" decides if your life if worth anything. If they determine it isn't, guys in black outfits wearing Obama masks kick in your door at three in the morning and suffocate you with a pillow.

Why just last night my Mom and Aunt received a "visit".

I'm planning on building a raft out of hockey sticks and moose skins and making a bid for freeeeedom in the USA before my life clock runs out.

Wish. Me. Luck.
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by tafhdyd August 28, 2009 11:18 PM EDT
Head north to Alaska, Palin isn't there anymore.
by daffy64 August 28, 2009 5:16 PM EDT
Americans beware!! I'm Canadian and we have government run socialist health care here.

If you're over fifty and get sick, a "death panel" decides if your life if worth anything. If they determine it isn't, guys in black outfits wearing Obama masks kick in your door at three in the morning and suffocate you with a pillow.

Why just last night my Mom and Aunt received a "visit".

I'm planning on building a raft out of hockey sticks and moose skins and making a bid for freeeeedom in the USA before my life clock runs out.

Wish. Me. Luck.
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by babooph August 28, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
The med ins claims are done in the 3rd world-examiners are paid a %%% of what they deny-the "investigative" journalists did not seem to find that interesting.
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by nearl451 August 28, 2009 8:43 AM EDT
It would be funny if it weren't so sinister.

The latest anti-change strategy is to not do anything about reforming healthcare to save Medicare.....you know the system they have been striving to "fix" (= cut benefits drastically to) but have neglecting to move upon the last 3 decades.

The opposition is ALL about politics and not about really providing any help to anyone.
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