August 20, 2009 9:10 AM

Obama, Congressional Dems Near Clash

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(CBS/ AP)  "The argument's not over."

The sharp response from President Obama's press secretary Wednesday when asked by CBS News chief White House correspondent Bill Plante if the administration was losing control of the health care debate set up a clear clash between the president and the Democratically-controlled Congress.

White House sources now say if liberals want some form of a government run health care program, also known as the public option, they'll have to sell it themselves, Plante reports.

Publicly, President Obama is still calling for a bipartisan bill to overhaul the nation's health care system. Privately, Democrats are preparing a one-party push, which they feel is all but inevitable.

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Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who presided over the state's health care overhaul in 2006, said that President Obama "gave up control [of health care] at the very beginning" and must "put aside the extreme liberal wing of his party" to pass effective reform.

"He decided he would hand this over to [House Speaker] Nancy Pelosi and the House," Romney, who ran a failed bid for the GOP's presidential nomination in 2008, said on CBS' "The Early Show" Thursday. "It's not the kind of bipartisanship which the president promised he'd bring to Washington."

Some Democrats said Democratic researchers have concluded lately that a strong-arm tactic on Senate health care legislation that would negate the need for any GOP votes might be more effective than previously thought.

The strategy, called "reconciliation," allows senators to get around a bill-killing filibuster without mustering the 60 votes usually needed. Democrats control 60 of the Senate's 100 seats, but some moderate Senate Democrats have expressed reservations about the Democratic-backed health care overhaul plan.

And two of their members - Robert Byrd of West Virginia and Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts - are seriously ill and often absent. Kennedy sent a letter Tuesday to Massachusetts leaders asking that they change state law to allow someone to be quickly appointed to his seat in Congress "should a vacancy occur."

While always contentious, reconciliation lets the Senate pass some measures with a simple majority vote. Non-budget-related items can be challenged, however, and some lawmakers say reconciliation would knock so many provisions from Mr. Obama's health care plan that the result would be "Swiss cheese."

Democratic aides say they increasingly believe those warnings are overblown.

On Wednesday, Jim Manley, spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., warned Republicans that reconciliation is a real option. The White House and Senate Democratic leaders still prefer a bipartisan bill, he said, but "patience is not unlimited and we are determined to get something done this year by any legislative means necessary."

Tensions heated up last weekend when Mr. Obama told a crowd in Grand Junction, Colo. Saturday that "the public option, whether we have it or we don't have it, is not the entirety of health care reform. This is just one sliver of it, one aspect of it."

Following that, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters, "I challenge you guys all to go back and see what we've said about this over the course of many, many, many, many months, and you'll find a boring consistency to our rhetoric."

In the first half of the year, Mr. Obama said repeatedly in speeches, weekly radio and Internet addresses and town halls that he wants a health care overhaul that has a taxpayer-funded public health insurance option. He has said the plan would compete with private insurance to keep costs down.

"That's why any plan I sign must include an insurance exchange: a one-stop shopping marketplace where you can compare the benefits, cost and track records of a variety of plans - including a public option to increase competition and keep insurance companies honest - and choose what's best for your family," he said on July 18.

And in a June 3 letter to Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., Mr. Obama said: "I strongly believe that Americans should have the choice of a public health insurance option operating alongside private plans. This will give them a better range of choices, make the health care market more competitive and keep insurance companies honest."

When Mr. Obama hedged this weekend in Colorado - and other administration officials followed suit - liberals cried foul and the White House insisted that the rhetoric hadn't shifted.

"Must include" became "whether we have it or don't have it."

Mr. Obama urged religious leaders Wednesday to back his proposals, and he prepared for a pep talk to a much larger audience of liberal activists, whose enthusiasm is in question. Polls continued to show slippage in support for the president's approach, although Americans expressed even less confidence in Republicans' handling of health care.

Mr. Obama called health coverage for Americans a "core ethical and moral obligation." He disputed claims that Democratic bills would create government "death panels" for the elderly, offer health care for illegal immigrants or fund abortions.

"I know that there's been a lot of misinformation in this debate and there are a some folks out there who are, frankly, bearing false witness," Mr. Obama said. "I need you to spread the facts and speak the truth."

The administration said it still hopes for a bipartisan breakthrough on its goals of expanding health coverage, controlling costs and increasing competition among insurers. In private, however, top Democrats said a bipartisan accord seems less likely than ever when Congress reconvenes next month.

Mr. Obama was to promote his plans Thursday in a conference call and online address to supporters that could draw huge numbers of listeners. He also was to speak with Philadelphia-based radio talk show host Michael Smerconish, who will broadcast from the White House. Smerconish is generally seen as a conservative, although he endorsed Mr. Obama last year and supports abortion rights.

Vice President Joe Biden was meeting with health care professionals in Chicago on Thursday to push the administration's proposals. He also planned to announce nearly $1.2 billion in grants to help hospitals transition to electronic medical records. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius was to join him.

Administration officials and congressional Democrats were deeply discouraged this week when key Republican lawmakers seemed more critical than ever about various Democratic-drafted health care bills pending in the House and Senate. They said they still hope Senate Finance Committee efforts to craft a bipartisan compromise can succeed, although private remarks were more pessimistic.

"The president believes strongly in working with Republicans and Democrats, independents, any that seek to reform health care," White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said. "The president strongly believes that we're making progress."

Many Republicans believe that millions of Americans, and especially the GOP's conservative base, ardently oppose Mr. Obama's health care plans, which they consider too costly and intrusive.

Mr. Obama's approval ratings "continue to inch downward," a Pew Research Center poll concluded Wednesday. Favorable ratings for the Democratic Party also have fallen sharply, although they still exceed those of the Republican Party.

Nearly all sides agree that conservatives showed more energy than liberals this month at often-raucous town halls and other forums on health care. Valerie Jarrett, a top Obama adviser, warned liberal bloggers recently that the health care push is "an uphill battle, and it won't happen unless we energize our base."

Many conservatives think they see the first big chink in Mr. Obama's political armor, and Web sites and radio talk shows have encouraged the attacks against his proposals.

Democratic officials, meanwhile, say the often complex and slow-moving health care debate has not captivated millions of liberal activists who campaigned tirelessly for Mr. Obama last year.

Organizing for America, the president's political organization based at the Democratic National Committee, is trying to rally its members. Last week about 60,000 volunteers sent messages to lawmakers, urging them to support Mr. Obama's health care agenda.

Republicans are keeping up their criticisms, and a prominent GOP Senate negotiator warned Democrats not to shut them out.

"If the Democrats choose to go it alone, their health care plan will fail because the American people will have no confidence in it," Sen. Mike Enzi of Wyoming said Wednesday.

Enzi is one of three GOP senators who have met regularly with Finance Committee members to seek a bipartisan bill.

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by floridahealthcare August 21, 2009 1:48 PM EDT
Thik a government plan is a good idea. Fannie, Freddie have failed. Now how about those Canadians cutting back on 6000 surgeries! Read it in the Vancouversun Aug 18, 2009:

http://www.vancouversun.com/story_print.html?id=1878506&sponsor
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by robham777 August 20, 2009 11:48 PM EDT
by nunovyerbeezwax August 20, 2009 10:50 PM EDT
They haven't "rejected" anything, honey. There isn't a bill yet. There are only proposals. Those who, like you, are clueless about what the bill actually says aren't qualified to "reject" what they don't understand.

Hey honeycomb if the is not a bill, how can anyone be informed or ignorant of its contents?
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by govmess August 20, 2009 8:55 PM EDT
Obama's health care plan will be...
-written by a committee whose head says he doesn't understand it,
-passed by a Congress that hasn't read it,
-signed by a President who smokes,
-funded by a Treasury Chief who did not pay his taxes,
-overseen by a Surgeon General who is obese, and
-financed by a country that is nearly broke.


What could possibly go wrong with such a plan?


"All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing"
It appears America is on permanent snooze alarm these days.
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by robham777 August 20, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
Most industrialized countries welcome U.S. companies with open arms, because they know that it will increase their GDP and prosperity by doing so. The U.S. on the other hand chooses to drive these employers out by maintaining one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world.
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by USSAmerikan August 20, 2009 3:51 PM EDT
The nation that went to the moon over 30 years ago, the most powerful nation in the history of the world, can't be without a safety net for its citizens. No CITIZEN or LEGAL RESIDENT of ANY AGE in this country should die because he/she could not afford health care. Doctors in the rest of planet earth practice medicine because of a love of the profession and the Hippocratic oath actually means something. Doctors in this country mostly go into medicine to get rich off the money the insurance companies continue to deliver to them. Yes, something must be done, but we will never fix this problem until we stop using healthcare as a political weapon of mass destruction.
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by Joe_NY_15 August 20, 2009 2:23 PM EDT
AK-47_Justice,

When we have sufficiently dismantled and destroyed the threat posed by your Socialist/Marxist party......then in 2010 (actually Jan.2011)when we have elected sufficient Republicans seats to control Congress....then they will be in the position to pass legislation, until then, YOU ARE IN CHARGE.....Have I explained it enough for you to understand.

Why haven't you answered my question....IF the Republicans were so bad, as you claim, why are you asking for our proposals ? just answer the question, without more Bull
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by AK-47_Justice August 20, 2009 1:56 PM EDT
by Joe_NY_15

"Have you ever heard of a Socialist program where you pay into the system to get benefits when retired ?"
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Actually, that is exactly how true SOCIALIST countries work, so not only do you republican'ts have NO SOLUTION to our health care debacle, but you don't even know what true 'socialism' is, despite ranting on a daily basis about Obama and 'socialism.'

You republican'ts in the party of 'NO' have NO SOLUTIONS or NO NEW IDEAS -- just a time warp living in the past, circa 1955.

Why are republican'ts so clueless in their rants?
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by AK-47_Justice August 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT
by notblue
"AK-47, I will give my opinion of what needs to be done with health care in this country, which by the way is the best medically in the world"
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First off, it's only the totally delusional that actually 'think' we have the best health care in the world! It's ranked 37th, where 100,000 Americans die every year due to hospital mistakes. Another 18,000 die because of lack of health care, where heart problems and cancer are the top killers. Then.....one million Americans declare bankruptcy mainly due to health care debt, even though they have some for-profit health insurance.


Now.....on the other subject.....we're still waiting.

We're still waiting.........

We're still waiting.........

Give us your SOLUTION to health care reform in America.


We're still waiting.........

Still waiting......
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by Joe_NY_15 August 20, 2009 1:55 PM EDT
by AK-47_Justice August 20, 2009 1:50 PM EDT

Can you please explain why you are looking to the Republicans for solutions ? I thought the American people rejected Republicans, according to the Libs......so why would you want solutions from us ? Just Curious

No, You wanted the Congress, The Presidency, The Judiciary...NOW GOVERN !!!

what???? the American people rejected your socialist government takeover proposals, SORRY too bad!! You Lose
by AK-47_Justice August 20, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
Thanks joey, for the absolute PROOF that the republican't party of 'NO' has NO SOLUTIONS for our health care debacle, and only want to continue on the course of status quo, which is unaffordable and unsustainable!
by AK-47_Justice August 20, 2009 1:41 PM EDT
by notblue
"ak47 explain how, as you state, the republican "party of no" can be catagorized in that way when they have no power to change or make policy?"
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Seriously?

It's a simple fact that ever since Obama became our president in an electroal college landslide, the republican't party has attacked everything he has said or done, and started in early February, by every last one of the congresscritters voting NO on the stimulus.

The braindead republican'ts have NO SOLUTIONS or NO NEW IDEAS for anything -- and will always be the party of 'NO.'


What exactly are your solutions for needed health care reform?
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by hologram5 August 20, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
by itsjustathought August 20, 2009 8:40 AM EDT
Liberals have no policy that follows logic...it's their way or the highway....headed in the wrong direction. Any one following them is driving toward a head-on collision. I hope they do over reach and go this without support....it's the final nail in all their coffins. And frankly, it's worth having something horrible until we can repeal it than have these lunatics in office one day longer than legally necessary. They are all nuts.
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Gee dude, you just described Republican policy to a "T". Kinda funny how things work HUH?
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