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CBS/ August 25, 2009, 5:25 PM

Weighing Possible H1N1 Vaccine Risks

Many are concerned about whether a H1N1 vaccine will be safe. But now reports are out that a swine flu vaccine could cause GBS or Guillian-Barre Syndrome, a brain disorder.

CBS News medical correspondent Dr. Jennifer Ashton explained on "The Early Show" Monday the risk of GBS is very low -- one in every million vaccinations.

Ashton explained GBS is a rare, neurologic disorder that has elements of an auto-immune condition in that some trigger (usually an infection or rarely a vaccination against an infection) results in a progressive weakening of nerves. GBS starts in the legs and works its way up the body. Estimates are that it may occur one time out of 100,000 or one million vaccine doses. In most cases, Ashton said, patients recover approximately four weeks from the first symptoms, and 80 percent of people have a complete recovery. Some however, can die from GBS; the death rate is quoted as 2 to 3 people in 100.

And some did die from GBS in 1976 when an outbreak of swine flu at Fort Dix, N.J. prompted widespread vaccine use after one soldier died from influenza. As the flu spread through Fort Dix, it was discovered that there was the regular type of influenza, but also the swine flu. Some scientists thought it was an indication of a return of the deadly flu from 1918 that killed 50 million worldwide. They quickly developed a vaccine, but the epidemic they were fearing never happened.

However, according to Ashton, it was never determined that what happened in 1976 was caused by the vaccine. Forty million Americans were vaccinated, and 500 cases of GBS were reported with 25 deaths.

"This is actually less than -- or at most equal to -- the expected rate of this disease in the general population," Ashton told CBS News. "It is a difficult determination to make with 100 percent certainty, but for the people who were affected, and who thought it was due to the vaccine, obviously it was devastating."

But should you get the vaccine for H1N1 when it is scheduled for released in October?

Ashton said it should be a personal decision based up risk versus benefit.

"If you are at high-risk for serious complications of influenza, then if many people get H1N1, your risk of getting sick is probably greater than your risk of having a rare side effect. And the possible benefit may be life-saving for some people. You have to weigh the risks of getting influenza, and the risk of possibly dying from it."

The risk of death from H1N1, Ashton said, is roughly 1 in 1000 people. She said you should weigh that risk against getting vaccinate, which, however safe the vaccine may be, the risk is never zero.

"People need to make those difficult decisions for themselves with good education and information from reputable sources," Ashton said. "I respect both decisions. Ultimately it's up to the patient."
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chirpybirdy says:
I got CIDP from the H1N1 vaccine in November 2010 so the problem still exsists. I was perfectly healthy 46 year old woman and now my life is turned upsidedown. I now spend every 21 days in an infusion center for 5 hours hooked up to an IV getting Immunoglobin. If I don't get the Immunoglobin I start to loose function in my hands and feet. This is for life. I will never be as I was before. I am dealing with this on a daily basis now. I have a young child that I need to care for so I plod on but this has devistated me. I am also a big insurance risk now. If I would to lose my job and my insurance no one would take me on. Every three weeks the bill comes for my infusion and it is $16,000 dollars. Now I only pay the copay so I am lucky to have insurance. But this is for life and I am going to cost my insurance company a big amount of money over the life of my policy. Plus I have the constant worry now that I will stop responding to the immunoglobin and end up disabled in a wheel chair. I use to be very healthy and care free thinking about my retirement in my 60s. Now I will have to work to the grave just to maintain insurance coverage. All because I got the H1N1 last year to be a good american citizen. NEVER AGAIN will I nor my daughter get the H1N1 vaccine. It is pure poison and the government is hushing the real risk factor for GBS and CIDP so the the population doesn't stop getting the vaccine. They don't even work as they guess at the virus and it has mutated by the time we get the vaccine in the fall. Big money making racket!
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pepsopine says:
My father developed GBS 10 years ago after a flu vaccine and ended up in ICU for almost a month. 250,000 dollars and 6 months of rehabilitation later, a neurologist told us (in "confidence") that it was well known that flu vaccines can trigger GBS, but that the economic aspect of public health benefits outweighed the individual risks. Some types of flu vaccines, he said, were far more likely to trigger GBS, but the mechanism was not understood. Our physiatrist confirmed this as accurate.
The real crime is that, in order to keep people willing to take the vaccines and to get that 'economic benefit', public health authorities deny the existence of the link. It should be up to us to weigh the risks, not to the government. We shouldn't be individually manipulated for public economic benefit.
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againstswinefluvaccine says:
I am very, very angry to tell you that I am just undergoing a miscarriage at 11 weeks after taking the H1N1 vaccine. I took the vaccine on Friday, Nov. 13th thinking I was doing the right thing after having been told repeatedly that that is what pregnant women should be doing. However, I had major cramping on Monday, Nov. 16th around 8 a.m. and miscarried around noon! I never had a miscarriage experience and I had a healthy pregnancy with my first child very recently. I cannot tell you how angry I am to have caused this and I am never sure if I can forgive myself for doing this to my baby and for interfering in God?s work! I am now realizing that I am not the only one (google H1N1 and miscarriages) and it's just so maddening that no one warns you against the risk so that you make an informed decision.
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jellisRN replies:
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First of all, I am very sorry for your loss. My wife and I have gone through 3 miscarriages, none of which were due to a vaccine. It is very common for misscarriages to take place in the first trimester, as did all 3 of ours. Secondly, you nor I can interfere with God's plan; none of us are that powerful. It is perfectly normal to be angry and you don't need to forgive yourself, you did nothing wrong. You will never be able to understand why this happened and it is not fair to blame others; it just is, and there is no changing it. It is also in the realm of possibility that God kept you from greater pain by taking this child home now. What greater comfort can this child know than the comfort of the arms of our Lord? Instead, rejoice that this child never has to suffer the pain and hardships that we have to endure. Keep your hope and faith alive; we are now the proud parents of 5 wonderful, God given, children and we are now looking into foster parenting. Be a good steward of the children you are given in this life; love them with all that you have. Again, I am very sorry for your loss but, keep in mind that God has a greater plan for you. (See Jeremiah 29:11)- This verse is ALWAYS TRUE! Your battle is not against the swine flu vaccine (see Ephesians 6:10-18, with a focus on verse 12). You don't have to be strong, just willing.
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SDRider says:
Fine and dandy to be paranoid about vaccines until you know of actual people who die of H1N1. That's not "sick", not some vague thing that may be or may not be related to a vaccine, but "dead", and with no question whatsoever that it was H1N1 that killed her. She was a vibrant, healthy, active 26 year old woman who was well one day, a bit under the weather the next, & in the ICU in a coma with her lungs & kidneys shutting down two days after that. Despite the excellent care her body continued to shut down and within two weeks she died. Needless to say, anyone remotely associated with her regard H1N1 a WHOLE lot differently than the armchair quarterbacks who figure this whole thing is being blown out of proportion. For what it is worth, if you ever meet someone who is under 50 who has had polio stop to think how they feel about their parents' decision to keep them from getting THAT vaccine... .
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smcook111 says:
How many deaths have been reported in the US even though people have received the H1N1 vaccine?
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wondersoul says:
Sorry but I for one will not get the shot for H1N1, because I know about to many deaths from getting the H1N1 SHOT...We have not been told about all the risks {side effects}.
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CruisingCats replies:
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So, 25 people have died from the vaccine. Almost 6,000 people have died from H1N1. And 10's of thousands more have been seriously ill and harmed from H1N1. Do the math.
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Cruisingcats,

I don;t believe your being rational to this satement that wondersoul has stated. Your setting up false ideologies which are peer pressuring the idea that the vaccine is the solution. Yes it has helped people and yes it has killed a small amount of people so with that being said don't post stuff we already know cause its people like you who make things out of proportion. He had his say so lets just leave it at that.
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monn2136 says:
I have just been informed by the clinic director at my college that all students in my graduate program are required to get the new H1N1 vaccination. Apparently she has decided that she has the right to call the shots here (literally) and decide that we all need to have a vaccination that is potentially dangerous to our health. In no way was the welfare of the college student considered in this decision, and I am not going to stand for it. I am refusing to get a vaccination that has not been properly tested and I am not going to let other students be forced to do so. Getting a vaccination like this is a personal choice and should not be a requirement for a student o stay in a particular program and graduate! I am outraged by her assumption of power and lack of understanding for student rights. Thanks for listening, please leave comments.
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theunclemonk replies:
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You are making the right choice, no one should force anything one you. stand your ground!
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sleepyg2002 says:
research 35% food grade hydrogen peroxide, and comment back on what you think.
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PackerMom says:
I'm a 66 year old female with asthma. A case of the flu could kill me. What is a person to do?? I've had the regular flu shot every year for several years with (fortunately) no ill effects. But i'm on the fence about the H1N1 vaccine. I honestly don't know what to do.
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GuineaAnn replies:
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Hello Packermom,
Have you decided what you are going to do? I am a pharmacy student, and for you I would recommend that you do get the flu shot. I am personally unable to fight infections very well...so I am also considering the flu shot. But with media putting out contradictory information, it is really hard to decide. During my hospital site visit, I was able to talk to physicians and surgeons about it, and they are all getting theirs. It is not to say that they don't have misgivings as well. So far though, the side effects have just been sore arms...and general feeling of unwellness for about a day. Since you have asthma, you are definitely at risk. As well, you are in the age group where the vaccine is highly recommended for. I think a lot of people are concerned about conspiracies behind the government...but the truth is, our health care system is very overhauled right now, and we don't have the economic or resource means to handle a huge outbreak. Also, I don't know if you've heard, but recently a young boy died of H1N1, and he was completely health. The only health condition he had was asthma. He just never woke up. So, again, I would highly recommend the shot. Plus, I hear that if you do get H1N1, and if you are lucky and recover, the process may take 6 weeks or longer. It really is a heavy health impact. I hope that helps!
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ZachR0 says:
I want to know why major news networks in the United States (CBS, Fox, ABC, etc, etc) are not making this a top story. The H1N1 vaccine has caused 25 deaths so far and many neurological disorders. The London Telegraph and many other MAJOR news papers / networks around the world have made this their stop story. So stop covering it up America. FEMA even has Mass Graves setup for the preparation for the upcoming H1N1 "wave" for this Fall. Do a google search, do the research.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1206807/Swine-flu-jab-link-killer-nerve-disease-Leaked-letter-reveals-concern-neurologists-25-deaths-America.html#ixzz0OffR0jPO

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/swineflu/2595214/Plans-drawn-up-for-mass-swine-flu-graves.html?OTC-RSS&ATTR=Swine+Flu
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mpgan replies:
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Hey genius, your links are not for FEMA, but for the British Home Office. That would be on the other side of the pond.

When you say the H1N1 vaccine has caused 25 deaths, this is not true but has morphed from story about a different swine flu vaccine in the 1970's that did kill 25 people.

I did my research and you are apparently wrong.

Also, there are no adjuvants like squaline in either the regular 2009 flu vaccine or the H1N1 vaccine. Do note that Thimerosol is present but for a 3 or 4 year period in the state of California, none of the vaccines had thimerosol and, interestingly, there was no change during that period of children being diagnosed with autism, essentially putting to rest any debate about thimerosol causing autism. Apparently there are single dose shots available for pregnant mothers with thimerosol free vaccines.
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