August 16, 2009 1:39 PM

Americans Historically Resistant to Reform

By
Sharyl Attkisson
(CBS)  It was by any measure a rough week for congressional Democrats.

"Members of Congress are getting more than an earful," political professor Larry Sabato, who directs the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, told CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson for CBS' "Sunday Morning." "They're getting a belly full."

And the loudest belly-achers got a boost from the media, Sabato said.

"Whenever you have people yelling and screaming and shouting, there's hype involved, and the coverage always exaggerates those who do the shouting," Sabato said. "It's the most exciting television. Let's face it. It gets on and is replayed over and over. So there is some hype, and that's why it gets on but it's wrong to suggest there are no legitimate concerns."

Sabato said the frustration has been months in the making.

"It's about a whole range of issues that started to develop last November after Barack Obama's election," Sabato said. "Then as Obama started making appointments, getting a stimulus bill passed, proposing a health care initiative, all of this further irritated the 46 percent who voted against him … You can almost see that the anger and frustration have built up month after month, and it's exploded, and the proximate cause of the explosion is health care."

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It seems like health care reform is something the public loves and at the same time the public hates. You constantly hear people talk about how expensive their insurance is, how bad their medical plans are, but as soon as there's talk of health care reform it's like people freeze up.

"It's so complicated you can always finds something in the weeds to make people frightened," Brown University political science professor James Marone said.

Marone is co-author of a book about presidents and health-care reform, including former President Johnson's fight for Medicare.

"We have some wonderful telephone tapes in which Johnson described to a newly elected Ted Kennedy how to get Medicare passed," Marone said. "He said, 'Don't let 'em cost it out. Don't let 'em project the costs down the line. It'll kill you.' He thought that if people knew the full costs of Medicare it would never have passed, and he kept trying to lowball the estimates. And this was before the Office of Management and Budget. But we believe - we say in the book - that if we knew the costs, Medicare, one of the two most popular programs in America never would have passed."

Now we do know the price tag for health-care reform - hundreds of billions - and for millions of voters, it's a tough pill to swallow.

"The one problem we have that we didn't have in the mid 60's is the debt and deficit," Sabato said. "And I really think that's what's causing many moderate Americans who would otherwise favor health care reform to step back and wonder whether it's true that the president will sign a bill that won't raise the deficit. That's easy to say but our whole modern experience is that every government program ends up costing a lot more than projected and that it does indeed add to the deficit and the debt."

And that could give health care opponents plenty to yell about in the days to come.

"Do you think we're destined to repeat this pattern, where we complain about our health care and by the end maybe don't do anything major about it?" Attkisson asked Marone.

"It actually does seem like Groundhog Day through the years," Marone said. "But I actually think the problems are so acute they keep coming back on the agenda and that sooner or later - well, it's like Winston Churchill says: 'Count on Americans to do the right thing, after they've exhausted all other possibilities.'"
By CBS News Correspondent Sharyl Attkisson

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by jckbrn-2009 September 22, 2009 3:13 PM EDT
"So oft in theologic wars,
The disputants, I ween,
Rail on in utter ignorance
Of what each other mean,
And prate about an Elephant
Not one of them has seen."
Far too many comment from a state of ignorance - -
READ HR3200 - - that's the proposed legislation to be voted on ! !
Commenting on something you haven't read is stupid and ignorant (stupid is without intelligence - ignorant is without knowledge) - -
This is not a sporting contest and the results are for a long time.
READ the bill (it's available online) - - it's not "ObamaCare" - it's not "universal H/C" - - Don't take any single paragraph and talk about that - -
READ THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION ! ! ! ALL 1100 PAGES - - This legislation wasn't written in the last couple of months; it's been ready for a long time and is just now being submitted - - Don't generalize and use euphasims to debater a position on this very important matter - - - Know what the truth is by reading the bill ! ! !
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by fariborzzak September 4, 2009 1:34 AM EDT
U need a Revolution in USA.
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by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 17, 2009 7:42 PM EDT
by jahmourner August 17, 2009 4:01 PM EDT

1. Never claimed any such thing. Don't know whether to attribute this to your keen reading comprehension skills or your wanton use of propaganda, Mr. Goebbels.

2. Hitler saw the struggle of the nation and race as fundamental in society, in opposition to communism's perception of class struggle. They promoted race and country to the degree that it was seen as a mark of unity, purity and strength. This is a hardcore right-wing tenet -- racial purity. It actually defines right-wing extremism.

Hitler saw imperialism as an imperative. Fascists such as Hitler were adamantly opposed to pacifism. They promoted a warrior mentality.

I would continue but I have a feeling I'd be wasting my time.

3. If you can't figure out the difference between being mentally challenged and being competent, I don't know what help I can offer you.
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by ianlou August 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
Ever notice that most of these Teabaggers are always pointing at people as they rant? (see photo)

How Rude.
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by bradkt1 August 17, 2009 3:56 AM EDT
Thank you Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi...for nothing!!! The two of you are the two worst and weakest House and Senate leaders that the Democratic Party has ever had. Your idea of management of the legislative process is to disappear and let the committee chairman do whatever the h*** they want...and they are definitely off the reservation! They are trying to cut deals left and right with an opposition that has no intention of compromising with the Democrats...the GOP is just playing for time and are playing them for fools. Meanwhile, the rest of the Democrats in Congress have nothing to defend because the committee chairman didn't do their job and produce bills out of their committees...and Democrats everywhere are wondering what the h*** is going on.

Of course we are supposed to believe that it just happens to be a coincidence that these same committee chairman are among the largest recipients of special interest political contributions by the health care industry...the same health care industry that these chairman don't want a public option to compete with (sarcasm and disgust intended).

Because the committee chairman haven't produced anything, conservatives can say whatever they want and Democrats have nothing to defend. This is how and why the Democrats lost their political momentum. I don't blame the GOP. They saw their opening and pounced on it.

This wouldn't have happened under the leadership of either Tip O'Neil or Lyndon Johnson...or any of the past Senate majority leaders that the Democrats have had...and they managed to herd Democrats through a lot more than healthcare reform.

When the legislature doesn't deliver and you control a filibuster-proof majority, it is the fault of the legislative leaders. On healthcare reform, the Democratic Congress didn't even get to first base before the August recess. The committee chairmen are pursuing their own agenda...as opposed to the Democratic Party's agenda.
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by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 17, 2009 1:06 AM EDT
by jahmourner August 17, 2009 12:49 AM EDT

I'll ask you the basic question: how many 12 year olds do YOU know, let alone mentally challenged 12 year olds, who are "competent" to decide whether they should live or die?
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Talk about mentally challenged.

How many times do I have to draw the distinction between mentally challenged and competent?

You are a lot less intelligent than you give yourself credit for; that's for sure. And 'a lot' is a HUGE understatement.
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by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 17, 2009 12:55 AM EDT
by jahmourner August 17, 2009 12:42 AM EDT
I'm not rewriting anything. I'm simply stating the facts.

I am to take it that any socialist who turns out to be bad really wasn't a socialist?

If so, then why bother calling one's self a socialist?
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You mean facts like all those neo-nazi sympathizers aren't right wing extremists and that they're just misguided socialists? The same non-extremists that hold Hitler's ideologies in such high esteem? Those kinds of facts?
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by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 17, 2009 12:24 AM EDT
by jahmourner August 17, 2009 12:03 AM EDT
Sorry, euthanasia IS the same thing as eugenics,
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do you just feign the most modest degree of intellect? Really, equating euthanasia with eugenics.

Again, I refer to your total lack of reading comprehension skills to grasp the meaning of the word COMPETENT. In other words, mentally challenged individuals are not capable (read: competent) of making an input into the decision to end their own life.

Of course you would be morbid enough to consider it a moral prerogative to have an individual suffer severe and chronic pain as long as you could keep them alive to suffer that pain.

There once was a guy named Joseph Mengele...
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by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 17, 2009 12:08 AM EDT
by jahmourner August 16, 2009 11:38 PM EDT
Rookie mistake? Right. All of those socializt programs the nazis introduced -- "free" health care, nationalization of industry, government regulation of everything, especially thought and the free expression thereof, gun control, euthanasia -- those were just the kind of things nationalists do, not socialists.

So, I guess I can rest assured that just because you folks and your analogues (with the emphasis on anal) in countries like Venezuela, don't openly call yourselves nazis, I can expect something different from you than from old 'Dolf.

What a... fool you are.
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Do you, by chance, really intend to revise history by painting the nazis as ardent leftists? If so, that really WOULD be rich.
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by ubrew12 August 17, 2009 6:18 AM EDT
Lawyers-Guns-n-Money said: "Do you, by chance, really intend to revise history by painting the nazis as ardent leftists? If so, that really WOULD be rich."

Dude, Jahmourner is serious. Weep for the loss of history. They say that the winners get to write history. Surely this is proof of that.

Communists have enough to answer for, without you rewriting everything socialists do as Nazi, Jahmourner. Get your history right, if you do nothing else. That's just really, really sad.
by Lawyers-Guns-n-Money August 16, 2009 11:55 PM EDT
by jahmourner August 16, 2009 10:55 PM EDT
Read the statute. Euthanizing 12 year olds is EXACTLY what has been happening in the Netherlands.

You were given the citation, and you STILL deny that this is happening?

Please, tell me: if it isn't the 12 year olds making these "end of life" decisions, then who's making them for them?

That's the entire point, you fool. The fact is, 12 year olds are being euthanized in Flanders. The fact also is, they aren't the ones deciding to end their own lives, because they aren't competent, either because they're retarded, or because they're 12.
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Now for your lesson in reading comprehension, to wit, I submit the following from one of YOUR previous posts:

"In the Netherlands, euthanasia is legally accepted for competent persons 12 years old..."

What do you not understand about the word competent? If you were to read further into the text of the law, you would find that "For 12- to 15-year-olds, parental agreement is required" "But in the case of a refusal by ONE of the parents, the request of a minor may be accepted if the doctor is convinced that this will mean avoiding serious suffering."

So if you were to look at the law more carefully, the Dutch have decided that COMPETENT persons aged twelve, with the consent of parents, are granted the RIGHT to choose to have their life ended. "...mental incapacity prevented 1,000 from explicitly asking to die." Again, if you are not competent and have NOT reached the age of consent, you cannot be involved in your decision to end your suffering.

P.S. euthanasia is not the same as eugenics. Nice try though.
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