August 10, 2009 7:18 AM

9 Thought Dead as Helicopter, Plane Crash

(CBS/AP)  Last updated 8:56 p.m. ET.

A small plane collided with a sightseeing helicopter carrying Italian tourists over the Hudson River on Saturday, scattering debris in the water and forcing people on the New Jersey waterfront to scamper for cover. Authorities believe all nine people aboard the two aircraft were killed.

Three of the nine presumed victims have been recovered, according to the National Transportation Safety Board. NTSB chair Deborah Hersman says recovery operations have been called off for the day and will resume Sunday morning.

Investigators have talked to a pilot who witnessed the crash. The pilot saw a single-engine aircraft approaching the helicopter and radioed the helicopter a warning but got no response.

The collision, which Mayor Michael Bloomberg said was "not survivable," happened just after noon and was seen by thousands of people enjoying a crystal-clear summer day from the New York and New Jersey sides of the river.

"First I saw a piece of something flying through the air. Then I saw the helicopter going down into the water," said Kelly Owen, a Florida tourist at a Manhattan park. "I thought it was my imagination."

The two aircraft went down just south of the stretch of river where a US Airways jet landed safely seven months ago. But this time, there was no miracle.

"This is not going to have a happy ending," Bloomberg said. Hours after the collision, he said he thought it fair to say "this has changed from a rescue to a recovery mission."

CBS Early Show weather anchor Dave Price is a licensed private pilot who flew this route Friday.

"At this point we don't know what communications were broadcast from either aircraft," Price reported. "In this narrow corridor of uncontrolled airspace, pilots typically announce their location, direction, altitude and intention."

Price said the area offers spectacular views, but that pilots don't have a lot of room or time to react in the crowded area.

The National Transportation Safety Board was investigating the cause of the collision.

The crash victims included five Italian tourists and a pilot on the helicopter and the three people on the plane, including a child, Bloomberg said.

Witnesses described seeing a low-flying plane smashing into the helicopter, and then wreckage scattering. One of the plane's wings was severed by the impact.

Buzz Nahas was walking along the Hoboken, N.J., waterfront when he heard the impact, then looked up to see the plane without one of its wings "fluttering" into the water.

"There was a loud pop, almost like a car backfire," he said. "The helicopter dropped like a rock."

The plane, headed for Ocean City, N.J., left Teterboro Airport in New Jersey at 11:54 a.m., the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey said in a statement. It had landed at the airport 25 minutes earlier with the pilot aboard to pick up two passengers.

The plane had started its journey in Pennsylvania, an official familiar with the plane's flight path told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to speak publicly.

The plane, a Piper PA-32, was registered to LCA Partnership in Fort Washington, Pa. The company's officials couldn't immediately be identified. The helicopter was a Eurocopter AS 350 owned by Liberty Tours, a sightseeing and charter company. It was struck by the plane shortly after lifting off from a heliport on Manhattan's West side.

On the Hoboken, N.J., waterfront, people scattered as pieces of debris fell from the sky. A wheel from one of the aircraft lay on Hoboken's Sinatra Drive.

"We saw the helicopter propellers fly all over," Hoboken resident Katie Tanski said.

Afterward, much of the wreckage sank quickly into the river. Hersman, with NTSB, said authorities will try to pull up wreckage Sunday, depending on water currents.


The accident happened in a busy general aviation corridor over the river that is often filled with sightseeing craft on nice days.

Pilots have some freedom to pick their own route, as long as they stay under 1,000 feet and don't stray too close to Manhattan's skyscrapers. The skies over the river are often filled with pleasure craft, buzzing by for a view of the Statue of Liberty.

Steve Riethof, a volunteer at the Aviation Hall of Fame in Teterboro, said Saturday that pilots headed for the Jersey Shore from Teterboro generally fly through Manhattan.

Accidents happen every few years. New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle and his flight instructor died when their plane hit a skyscraper while flying a popular sightseeing route in 2006.

In January, the river was the scene of a spectacular aircraft landing that resulted in no loss of life after a US Airways flight taking off from LaGuardia Airport, in Queens, slammed into a flock of birds and lost power in both engines. The plane crash-landed in the river, and all 155 people on board were pulled to safety.

The identities of the victims of Saturday's crash were not immediately released. Italian Foreign Ministry spokesman Maurizio Massari confirmed there were Italians aboard the helicopter and said the ministry was working to find out further details through diplomats and authorities in New York.

Paolo Casali, from Rome, was scheduled to take a helicopter tour with Liberty after noon on Saturday, but her 13-year-old son, Lorenzo, was too scared to go.

"I feel very, really lucky," Casali said. "I think God was in our life. Today is the beginning of a new life, to catch every moment, every minute of this life."

A person who answered the phone at a Liberty Tours office said the company would be releasing a statement. The company runs sightseeing excursions around the Statue of Liberty, Ellis Island and Manhattan at costs ranging from $130 to about $1,000.

Two years ago, a Liberty helicopter fell 500 feet from the sky during a sightseeing trip. The pilot was credited with safely landing the chopper in the Hudson and helping evacuate her seven passengers.

In 1997, a rotor on one of its sightseeing helicopters clipped a Manhattan building, forcing an emergency landing. No one was hurt.

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by chejian August 9, 2009 11:32 AM EDT
March 8th ,2009,master Yunfeng revealed airplane accident would take place in two place when he chat with friend through internet.meanwhile,he inform the direction .one would be southwest china,west of Shannxi province ,another would be near Beijing.soon,his foretold was proved:

1. Chongqing air bus breakdown on air lane, hundreds of passengers have to remain unwillingly. http://www.chinanews.com.cn/sh/news/2009/03-29/1622714.shtml

this accident happened at :8:20 Am ,March 29th

2.passenger plane of Air China hit lounge bridge when slidding in Beijing Capital International Airport http://www.chinanews.com.cn/sh/news/2009/03-29/1622715.shtml


this accident happened at 16:40 Pm ,March 29th

also ,according to chat record we can find that the 2 foretold accidents mentioned at same day took place on same day,accident revealed firstly happenedalso ealier, this reserved information is worthwhile our to think.from 20th february the day master gave airplane accident prophet to now, airplane tragedy occurred very frequently,include many great crashes,we can seeform media that people are very fear of airline safety.Master yunfeng had told us still many air tragedy would be heard in futurefrequently.because it is too much,he can not explain one by one,also,he does not want cause scare in public,this he always emphsis. His abilitywill shock whole world,only when CEO of airline companies visit himfor get to know their future safety status,in case of prevent in advance.you also can try to leave a message to him,sincerely ask his blessing for safety of your family member,friends and yourself.


Air Crashes and Air Accidents (America)
YunFeng (Knowing, Deviner)warned on June 30 2009, a series of air crashes and accidents would happen in America in near future day.

* A Boeing Flight (737-800) was emergency landing on July 1! That's just a beginning!
* A commercial airliner with 128 passengers and crew made an emergency landing in Florida because smoke was detected in the cabin.
* A aviation accident (small airplane) and two people die in Canada. (7/10)
* A airplane, USA flies to London, smokes. 15 people were injured!(7/11)
* An airliner of USA was flying, the passenger compartment broke suddenly, emergency landing successfully, people took a picture for that. (7/14)
* A Boeing airliner (737) was broken an hole. (7/15)
* A small airplane was prang, 3 people die. (7/16)
* The airport of New York shock by bomb. (8/2)
* Forcing the aircraft to divert to Miami, Florida (at least 26 hurt as airliner hits turbulence). (8/3)
* 9 killed as Airplane, Helicopter Collide in New York. (8/8)

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by ckingfly August 9, 2009 9:08 AM EDT
I've flown down the Hudson VFR corridor many times. A few times I've noticed a big problem and reported it to ASRS (a place where pilots can report problems and incidents involving aviation). What happens is the small planes going up and down the Hudson fly south down the NJ side and north up the Manhattan side. Everyone is supposed to self announce position, direction and altitude on a radio frequency. The problem I notice is that the site seeing helicopters take-off from the Manhattan side, cross the river ascending to NJ side. In other words, they tend to popup in front of the south bound small planes or, worse yet, under them. The problem is made worse because sometimes the helicopters chat on the radio about other than their position reports. This leaves little time for important position reports. I am sorry this accident happened but not surprised considering the lack of radio discipline I noticed on several occasions.
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by jetranger7 August 8, 2009 11:16 PM EDT
9 thought dead,, don't believe theres any thought to it, unless they're really good at holding their breath for long periods of time,, and I don't see that happinin,, no thinking to it,, their dead ~!
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by steelcurtin8 August 8, 2009 10:07 PM EDT
CBSSPORTS is the biggest frikkin farce on the world wide web!!!!!!!
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by wyodutch August 8, 2009 8:51 PM EDT
When you gotta go.. you gotta go.
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by billpl-2009 August 8, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
"....A second body was found but Bloomberg said it cannot be determined yet from where it came...."

...guess it must be common for random bodies floating around in the Hudson
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by wyodutch August 8, 2009 6:11 PM EDT
Do we know that Al Quaeda or maybe even Saddam wasn't responsible? Bush and Cheney said that those rascals hate our freedom and would do anything to get us.
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by zonkzilla August 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
Both pilots are at fault. One of them should have seen the other aircraft and taken action to avoid the collision It's not like they were both doing 600 Kts. and where were the controllers? Both aircraft should have been squawking VFR with ident on their transponders and visible to radar.
Rather than say all are to blame I am sure they will pin the accident on one pilot and since big money is involved I am sure it will be the pilot of the Piper Lance 32 since tourist helicopters make tens of millions each year in NY and it would be bad for business to put any blame on the helicopter.
My air force flight instructor would say " head on a swivel, at all times constantly scan the area for other aircraft and an emergency landing area, keep your freekin (not his exact word of course) eyes open, pay attention, or you will die".
To this day I never forget "head on a swivel" even when driving my car.
Sorry for the losses of all the people and this should never have happened.
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by Phxfire August 8, 2009 9:35 PM EDT
this airspace isn't covered. its open season.
by bradkt1 August 8, 2009 5:53 PM EDT
It doesn't matter where you have the mix of small aircraft and sightseeing helicopters...they are a bad mix together. The Grand Canyon and Hawaii's scenery are another example. We seem to have a crash or a mid-air collission every so often wherever we have this mix. Sometimes, it's like the Wild West in the air in these locations. If these aircraft were operating under Visual Flight Rules (which I am assuming), then a pilot wasn't looking at what he/she was doing...with fatal results. These aircraft were way too close to each other in the first place.
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by sightpoint August 8, 2009 5:50 PM EDT
thgdriver: Your post is appreciated, I used to live in NY (upstate) so I don't know the amount of traffic over the river. Thanks.
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