July 27, 2009 1:17 PM

Some Fear U.S. Pullout From Iraqi Cities

(CBS/AP)  On June 30, U.S. troops will withdraw from patrolling Iraqi cities. This is making many Iraqis and the American troops nervous. In the last week more than 250 have died in various attacks and bombings, and fears are growing about increased sectarian violence and terrorism once U.S. troops pull back.

Iraqi security forces bolstered checkpoints and banned motorcycles from the streets of Baghdad as they prepared today for more violence before this week's withdrawal of U.S. combat troops from the capital and other cities and towns.

Despite the increased checks, a roadside bomb targeting a U.S. convoy in eastern Baghdad wounded six bystanders. It was unclear if anyone in the convoy was injured, police said. A car bomb also exploded in the parking lot of a police academy in western Baghdad, killing one police officer and wounding six others, police said, speaking on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to speak to the media.

Iraq's main Sunni political bloc joined Shiite Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki in describing the June 30 deadline for the U.S. withdrawal from urban areas as a turning point for the country. For the U.S., June 30 is also a turning point, and despite the uptick in violence, U.S. officials stand firm the withdrawal date.

"Iraqi forces are ready to take over this nation," U.S. Ambassador to Iraq Christopher Hill told CBS News correspondent Chip Reid. "What we are doing is implementing our obligation under the security agreement with Iraq," Hill continued. "We have worked very hard for this day. The U.S. has the world's greatest fighting force and the greatest trainers. We have every confidence we can do this."

Gen. Ray Odierno, the top military commander in Iraq, said the attacks ahead of Tuesday's pullout were aimed at diverting attention from the progress made by Iraqi security forces as well as local and national government. "We've seen constant improvement in the security force. We've seen constant improvement in governance. And I believe this is the time for us to move out of the cities and for them to take ultimate responsibility," Odierno said.

Reporting from Baghdad, CBS News chief foreign affairs correspondent Lara Logan found that there is a lot of "grey area" in the security agreement.

"After a week of talking to U.S. and Iraqi soldiers on the ground here, it's stunning how much hasn't been worked out this close to the deadline," Logan said. "One example is what will happen to the U.S. trainers that will still be embedded with Iraqi forces in the cities. The U.S. military insists it still has the right to defend itself under the agreement, but if these U.S. trainers are attacked, in theory the U.S. would have to ask for Iraqi permission to send in reinforcements to help them.

"In the heat of battle, with American lives on the line, it's still a question how long U.S. commanders would wait for Iraqi authority - or if they'd wait."

Reid asked Ambassador Hill about the rules of engagement for troops in Iraq after June 30. "We always have the right of self defense," Hill said, but didn't address the issue of how the U.S. military command would deal with gaining permission from Iraqi commanders in situations where U.S. troops were in danger.

The U.S. still has 130,000 troops in Iraq, but hopes to reduce the number to 50,000 by next summer, Ambassador Hill said. All U.S. forces are slated to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011.

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by motown67usa June 29, 2009 11:16 AM EDT
Iraqis are obviously apprehensive about what will happen after U.S. troops pull out of the cities, but anyone would be of such a large change. There will still be thousands of American advisers in Iraqi cities however, and bases just outside of, or sometimes inside of major cities. The Iraqi forces have plenty of problems but they can man checkpoints and carry out raids. The recent spate of bombings may have people in the U.S. worried as well, but there have actually been fewer of those attacks and deaths than in April 09. musingsoniraq.blogspot.com
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by erasmus111 June 29, 2009 11:14 AM EDT
by rrozsa June 29, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
Should we also "bring home our troops" from Germany, since that war is long over?


Yes, they should. But right now those troops are the ones being used in Iraq. So when the troops in Iraq are brought home, they probably will be too. They would have been brought home before, but then there was the Gulf War and it didn't happen.
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by zonkzilla June 29, 2009 8:44 AM EDT
There is only one group that wants the US troops to stay in Iraq, that is the oil companies. No one else in the world wants US troops in Iraq.
Now that the US Oil companies have contracts with Iraq for their oil for the first time in 30 years, they need US troops to protect their profits for free.
Why do you think we invaded Iraq in the first place?
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by rrozsa June 29, 2009 10:15 AM EDT
Are you really asking for an answer to that or was that a rhetorical quesion?

Short answer: Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait back in the early 90's. The UN took military action against him and freed Kuwait, but agreed to leave him in power under the condition that he would submit to random inspections from UN officials, going forward. Early in 2000's, the UN got reports that he had WMD, so the UN sent inspectors to investigate. Saddam would not allow them in. The UN extended their deadline week after week after week, but Saddam would still not allow the inspectors in. This was a violation of his earlier surrender conditions so they had no choice but to remove him from power.

Any other questions?
by erasmus111 June 29, 2009 1:15 AM EDT
by mljohns00 June 28, 2009 10:12 PM PDT
Something's wrong here. Why would Iraqis blow things up in ADVANCE of the scheduled withdrawal by the U.S.? If they want the U.S. out on schedule, they would wait until the U.S. is gone before resuming the violence. So whoever is blowing things up DOESN'T want the U.S. to leave.


I agree.
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by erasmus111 June 29, 2009 1:12 AM EDT
by Solarrays247 June 28, 2009 9:17 PM PDT

I think I will stay away from these message boards...


Don't do that! I enjoy reading your comments.: )
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by Solarrays247 June 29, 2009 1:30 AM EDT
Thank you, erasmus111.

Sorry that I misunderstood. It did seem out of character for you!

I have enjoyed reading your comments, also.

Peace. ;=)
by mljohns00 June 29, 2009 1:12 AM EDT
Something's wrong here. Why would Iraqis blow things up in ADVANCE of the scheduled withdrawal by the U.S.? If they want the U.S. out on schedule, they would wait until the U.S. is gone before resuming the violence. So whoever is blowing things up DOESN'T want the U.S. to leave.
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by erasmus111 June 29, 2009 12:57 AM EDT
by Solarrays247 June 28, 2009 9:17 PM PDT

I can read, erasmus111, and I expect Obama to keep his word if at all possible! I supported him, and campaigned for him, and I wasn't even a Democrat.


My post wasn't aimed at you. I actually didn't read any of the posts. : )

The other day someone was yakking how Obama didn't keep his word on bringing home the troops and I tried to tell him that he never said they were bringing them home right away. I said that there was a date in which they would be coming home. I figured it was 2011, but wasn't exactly sure. So when I saw that date in this story, I had to say something.: )

I do agree that they should be brought home as soon as possible.
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by rrozsa June 29, 2009 10:26 AM EDT
Should we also "bring home our troops" from Germany, since that war is long over?
by willcad June 29, 2009 4:21 PM EDT
by rrozsa June 29, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
Should we also "bring home our troops" from Germany, since that war is long over?
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Darn right we should!

American troops were quartered all over Europe following WWII, and those bases were made permanent by the necessity of the Cold War, which many people felt could and would heat up in Europe from 1945 until the Berlin Wall fell in 1989.

But the Cold War is long over. The Soviet Union doesn't exist any more, as such, and the major threat to our allies in Europe is now from terrorism. And terrorism of the type seen in Europe doesn't require half a million American troops stationed along the former Iron Curtain.

I say, bring the troops home from Europe, too. Close down all of those bases, saving billions each year that can be pumped into the domestic economy, or other aspects of the defense budget like developing more effective body armor for the average soldier, improving battlefield medical treatments, and developing new weapons systems that give the average American dogface a better advantage in one-on-one combat.
by erasmus111 June 29, 2009 12:47 AM EDT
by gravyboat3000 June 28, 2009 8:44 PM PDT
Have I told you lately, that I love you?


Well at least somebody does. : )


"Mimosa?"

What's "Mimosa"?
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by erasmus111 June 28, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
"All U.S. forces are slated to be out of Iraq by the end of 2011."

I don't know how many times I have seen people b*tchin' on here about how Obama hasn't done what he said he was going to do. They keep saying that he was supposed to pull the troops out of Iraq. He has always said that he would have them out by the end of 2011. It's funny how people only hear what they want to hear, isn't it?

Now, if he doesn't have them out by the end of 20ll, then you can b*tch. Until then, shut the hell up.
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by Solarrays247 June 29, 2009 12:17 AM EDT
"by government-control June 28, 2009 3:52 PM PDT
Obama is surrendering to the terrorists."

I can read, erasmus111, and I expect Obama to keep his word if at all possible! I supported him, and campaigned for him, and I wasn't even a Democrat.

However, I am sick and tired of all of these idiots who sit in front of their puters, hiding behind their keyboards and BS like this guy that I have quoted here! I only wish that it were possible to send every one of their a**es to Iraq! I chuckle to imagine how quickly their assinine statements would disappear!

And I admit that I am bit upset, because I received a call Friday evening from a young man who has always been like a son to me. He just graduated from boot camp, and was on a bus heading towards Alabama for more training for ten weeks, and then Florida for approx. six months. He has chosen to learn Explosive Ordnance Disposal (EOD)and will be in training for this over the next nine months. During our conversation, this young man apologized to me because he could not be here to help me this past spring. That is the kind of person that he is, and everyone here in our small town adores him.

I think I will stay away from these message boards...my patience has worn thin with people who think they are being cool, and cute. They can't even begin to measure up to this young acquaintance of mine!
by Solarrays247 June 28, 2009 11:13 PM EDT
by government-control June 28, 2009 3:52 PM PDT
Obama is surrendering to the terrorists.


Why don't you go over and fight then? Put up or shut up!

The terrorists were not in Iraq to begin with, Bush drew them in, and Cheney's Halliburton reaped the cash!!

We have lost enough of our young men and women in this illegal war!

The Iraqi's have lost too many innocent men, women, children, infants....and, unfortunately the killing won't stop for them!

Our military have performed over and beyond the call of duty....it is time to bring them home! We need our best and brightest here at home!

So go....do your thing!
Hint: Osama bin Laden was never in Iraq to begin with....try Afghanistan/Pakistan. Have a good time! Don't let the door hit you in the rear! :=)







You can go in their place!
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