Arab World Saw Obama's Speech As Historic

Lara Logan Describes Scene Surrounding The President's Visit To Cairo

(CBS)  When I climbed into the battered old taxi in Cairo, and tried to tell my aged driver who spoke no English that I needed to go to Cairo University, I didn’t really know if it was going to work out.

But I need not have worried.

His weathered face broke into a huge, yellowing smile: “Obama , Obama” he yelled at me. And I knew I was going to make it to the live position.

As we screamed around corners, dodging and weaving through lanes of traffic, my driver kept kissing his fingers and raising his hand in a gesture of apparent adoration while he repeated over and over, “Obama, Obama good”. Every so often he would turn and look at me as he did it, and I didn’t even care that he wasn’t looking ahead as we roared through the city. I guess I’m just so used to mad driving I’ve learned to think of other things - and right then I was occupied with Obama’s speech and what it meant to people like my driver.

It’s been evident from the day I arrived in Egypt last week, that Obama’s personal popularity is unprecedented for an American President in this part of the world. Although many people have commented that coming after George Bush, it wasn’t hard to impress the Arab world. The former President was so hated here and did so much damage to America’s image in the Muslim world, that it will take a lot to overcome.

Many here believe it will take a Barack Hussein Obama.

They may not think one man can fix it all overnight. But they do have huge expectations and want to see him go much further than he already has.

What disappointed people in the Middle East was the fact that Mr. Obama did not condemn the Israeli government for violence against the Palestinians, but yet he lashed out at Palestinians for launching rockets at sleeping children and blowing up old women on buses.

Most Muslims, especially on the Arab Street, see the Israeli occupation of Gaza and the West Bank as illegal - and the Palestinian’s armed struggle as legitimate resistance. The President risked much credibility with Muslims by failing to address the issue of state-sponsored Israeli action against the Palestinian people, but he won much praise for being honest and not just pandering to popular Islamic views.

A political science professor told me she appreciated the fact that Mr. Obama said he was going to say what is normally only said “behind closed doors.” She said: “I didn’t agree with what he said but I liked that he didn’t try to hide.”

That was a critical part of Mr. Obama’s appeal - most people here believed him. He came across as honest and sincere, reaching out with respect. This alone, many in Cairo said, is such a dramatic change from the Bush years that it is in itself a new beginning.

Respect goes a long way in this part of the world. And by quoting from the Islamic Holy book, the Koran, Mr. Obama showed he knows that.

Not to mention pointing out his middle name “Hussein”. One woman turned to me as she heard this during the speech and said this was “very good!”

“It makes him one of us,” she told me.

So there was great excitement about President Obama’s visit to Cairo. I was mobbed on the street when I tried to talk to people in a coffee shop about the speech. It wasn’t a hostile crowd - on the contrary they told me over and over that “Obama is fantastic” and “we welcome him in Egypt.”

One man even kept repeating that after he saw Mr. Obama today he would be ready to die. That would be enough for him to end all his days, completely satisfied. I promised to pass it on to the president - such commitment seemed to me deserving of some small promise at least.

The really interesting part of this trip to me was not only the obvious. It’s the fact that Osama Bin Laden issued an audio tape condemning the Pakistani government operation in Swat Valley and America’s role in pressing for that, at the same time as Mr. Obama made this successful foray into the hearts of Muslims around the world.

Mr. Obama threatens Bin Laden’s al Qaeda in a way Bush never could. He makes the information war extremely difficult for al Qaeda, for the first time really. It was too easy when President Bush was alienating Muslims across the globe and Arab hearts were filled with hatred for the U.S. government. It was too easy and they won outright. The propaganda arena belong to them. No contest.

Now you have an American president who proves not all Americans hate Islam. He’s living proof not all Americans are arrogant or treat other cultures without respect. And on top of that, they like many of his policies - opposing the invasion of Iraq, pulling US troops out that country, ending torture, closing Guantanamo Bay. These are the dark clouds that have been lingering over the U.S.-Muslim relationship for the past eight years and helped bring it to such a low point.

Now you have an American President whose middle name is Hussein, and he happens to be the first black President, too. They make a big deal of that over here, always saying it like the momentous achievement that it is. But I find that somewhat ironic when the same newspapers covering his visit also have a small mention of another unarmed African immigrant shot and killed by Egyptian border police. Apparently not too many people are worried about that here - and it happens all the time.

African immigrants who are poorly treated in Egypt often try to cross into Israel. The Israelis don’t want them and have told the Egyptian government not to let them cross the border. So they’re shot and killed. Dozens of them died this way last year. And no one really seems to care.

That’s another problem for Mr. Obama. Egypt under President Hosni Mubarak is hardly a model for the democracy and human rights and freedoms the U.S. is supposed to represent.

A young Egyptian man who listened to the speech today told me with relief that it had gone further than he expected on the issue of democracy. He and many other activists in Cairo feared Obama’s administration was going to tread softly on democracy in public because of the unpopular way it was promoted by the U.S. for the past few years.

Instead, he and others including the Egyptian opposition leader, Ayman Nour, a tireless advocate for democracy who has been jailed by the Egyptian government, said they were surprised. Mr. Obama had not shied away from the issue, in spite of the fact that the government who welcomed him as their guest today is one of those he was criticizing in his speech.

Much was made about the venue. Cairo University has a quarter of a million students, and it’s over a 100 years old, and famous for the list of Arab leaders and thinkers who have passed through its doors over the last century. Yasser Arafat was a student there. And no American President has ever made a major speech there.

It was a first. And to Muslims across the world, it was historic.

A taxi driver here told me that he would "tell children about this day."

"Your children?" I asked him.

"No," he responded. "All children."

[SanityPlease]

It's statements like this that open up the door to the messianic complex issue you followers of Obama have. It really is like a nationalized cult. Posted by Audacity_of_Deception at 12:16 AM : Jun 6, 2009.

So what would you call the garbage head Bush/Cheney kool-aid followers LIKE YOU, who for the last 8 years, blindly followed them and their neo-con pied pipers which brought America to its economic knees.
Look in mirror, pal, look in the mirror.

[SanityPlease]

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse" Posted by Audacity_of_Deception at 3:00 PM : Jun 5, 2009.

All of the above was translated by you, right. Stupid,

The Koran accepts all the prophets from Adam down all the way to Jesus. YOU are a devil in disguise, doing this to create misunderstandings with misinformation. When the Koran accepts Jesus as a holy man, nothing left to say. Also SALADDIN was a well known figure who refused to kill Jews and Christions, even though the crusades massacered a lot of muslims.

Islam is the only religion that treats all races, creeds and groups equally, unlike yours which practices APARTHIED with impunity.

[texasbeta]

Your bigoted remarks are exactly what's wrong in America nowadays. Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, in Israel, not "Palestine." Israel will stand from now and forever. Sit back and watch the show. Unfortunately you've chosen the wrong side of the conflict. Your choice.
Posted by Audacity_of_Deception

Actually...you do not know what you are talking about. Palestine refers to the area formerly known as Judea...now called israel. You obviously know nothing about your own religion or the region that it took place. Just another Christian with their finger pointed at other people, who know don't know what they are talking about....have fun with your mythology and magic. You are probably one of those who support guns, Iraq war, and forsaking the poor...all while calling yourself a Christian. Classic.

[Audacity_of_Deception]

Thank you brianbwb-2009 for bringing up the historical events that happened in the Old Testament. I'm glad you acknowledge them.

;)

[Audacity_of_Deception]

The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine
posted by brianbwb-2009.

You've conveniently left out the part of the Bible where King David and the Israelite armies destroyed the Phillistines.

But I do enjoy how you use the Bible as a historical source, and then claim to be an "atheist" on these forums.

Again, you're fooling no one brian, despite your efforts.

[Audacity_of_Deception]

Fifth grade. the acts of the Prophet are separate from the Quran, and are not regarded as holy text.
posted by brianbwb-2009

Your not atheist brian. Your continuous defense of Islam on these forums day in and day out makes it quite obvious that you are Muslim, not atheist. Your capital "P" in the word "Prophet" above gives it away. Who exactly do you think you're fooling anyhow? Because I can assure you, despite your propaganda efforts and attempts to draw attention to yourself, you aren't fooling anyone, and never will.

[Audacity_of_Deception]

Too bad for you that most of US don't consider the Fascist South as part of America. Now join arms with your fellow Zionists and go visit Palestine, the birthplace of Jesus Christ.
Posted by McRoboCon

Your bigoted remarks are exactly what's wrong in America nowadays. Jesus Christ was born in Bethlehem, in Israel, not "Palestine." Israel will stand from now and forever. Sit back and watch the show. Unfortunately you've chosen the wrong side of the conflict. Your choice.

[Audacity_of_Deception]

Obama has opened doors no other man on Earth could at this point in time.
posted by sprowlindak

It's statements like this that open up the door to the messianic complex issue you followers of Obama have. It really is like a nationalized cult.

[sprowlindak]

Reading this article gave me chill-bumps. In a good way. It's difficult to conceive how other countries see President Obama through fresh eyes, untainted by Republican-derivative derogatory remarks daily slamming this honorable man. Obama has opened doors no other man on Earth could at this point in time. Lord help US to build on this sense of good will towards each other so that lives will be spared and peace reigns in the land ... What a Blessing to be part of this history-in-the-making ... He's doing his job; now it's time for US to do ours.

[LawyersGuns-n-Money_]

Having said that, those who "depart" as you say are no longer churches, or madrassahs, but simple recruiting stations for the sadistic cowards among us.
Posted by brianbwb-2009 at 3:53 PM : Jun 5, 2009

Originally I stated Saudi Arabia has supported these 'recruiting stations' for years...and we've been funding them. To use the term madrassahs to describe them is an error on my part. But you have to admit the major source of funding for these fundamentalist camps does come from Saudia Arabia.

[LawyersGuns-n-Money_]

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - ?Allah said, ?A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.??

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"
Posted by Audacity_of_Deception at 3:00 PM : Jun 5, 2009

Oh geez, more xenophobe tripe from the 'Hate all Muslims!' propagandist extraordinaire.

First of all,there is no such thing as a hadith by Ibn Ishaq. I've told you this before but you are content on believing the hype that other hate filled mongrels such as yourself spew.

Not to mention the fact that using the terminology 'the hadith' is incorrect insomuch as you believee it's a singular manuscript. The hadiths are collections of accounts of the life of Muhammad; at least two of them actually. The Sunni haveone account and the Shia theirs. Some Muslims don't even bother with the hadiths.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Have you heard some of the rhetoric coming from Christian fundamentalist churches?"
Posted by LawyersGuns-n-Money_


Having said that, those who "depart" as you say are no longer churches, or madrassahs, but simple recruiting stations for the sadistic cowards among us.

[brianbwb-2009]

"Have you heard some of the rhetoric coming from Christian fundamentalist churches?"
Posted by LawyersGuns-n-Money_

You have got to be kidding, right? Pat Robertson calling for the assassination of Hugo Chavez, , the support for the Iraq invasion from those claiming to speak for the "religious right," based not on the reasons falsely givin by Bush and the rest of the perps, but for religious reasons totally unrelated to the given reasons, not to mention the history of support for American apartheid against its' "Black" citizens.

Yes there has been, and still is quite a bit of it from "Christian fundamentalist churches", you don't remember Muhammad Ali being asked to help quell the war fever that resulted in violence against Americans, whose only "crime" was that they happen to be Muslims?

There is even one notable exception, one Sikh Indian _American who was attacked and beaten by idiotic Americans because he was wearing a turban, which is the traditional head garb, and has nothing to do with Islam.

[LawyersGuns-n-Money_]

But your point makes an error that you are apparently unwilling to see, there is no such thing as an extremist madrassah, if there is an extremist camp teaching violent action, it is not a madrassah.

Your willingness to continue to misuse a term in such a way as to vilify the concept of a religious school that just so happens to be an Islamic religious school, is just like saying that there is a "terrorist" Catholic school.
Posted by brianbwb-2009 at 2:33 PM : Jun 5, 2009

No Brian, I am not saying madrasahs are designed to be terroist training camps. Along the way though, some of them turn away from teaching the broader tenets of religion and start spouting extremist ideals. We have the same thing here. Have you heard some of the rhetoric coming from Christian fundamentalist churches?

[brianbwb-2009]

" His latest lie is that the USA is one of the "largest Muslim countries in the world". Anyone can look up the stats and clearly see that this is not true. Muslims make up LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of the total population in America, while confessing Christians make up a whopping 78% of the American population"

The lie is yours, What the President actually said was that America has one of the largest populations of Muslims in the world, which, after Indonesia and Malaysia, and Saudi Arabia, is actually quite true. You have heard of immigration, have you not?

"...But Obama was quick to lie about that as well, declaring we are not a Christian nation, and then just a few weeks later saying we are one of the "largest Muslim countries in the world".

Again the lie is yours, we are not a "Christian" nation, the principle of the separation of church and state, as well as freedom of religion, is enshrined in the constitution.

"His lies are SO obvious that I could literally let a 1st grader sit in a room and watch his speeches and even HE/SHE could figure it out!"
Posted by Audacity_of_Deception

Well, it seems that your first grade teacher would also have flunked you, so perhaps your fifth grade teacher would never have met you.

[brianbwb-2009]

Ok brian, you asked for it. If you're going to lie, you're asking to be exposed. So let's see what's in both the Quran and the Hadith, shall we?:

Qur'an (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

From the Hadith:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." Posted by Audacity_of_Deception

OK where in the verses you cite does it call for suicide bombings, as you posited earlier? You know, reading is fundamental.

"From the Hadith:..." Posted by Audacity_of_Deception

In Islamic terminology, the term hadith refers to reports about the statements or actions of Muhammad, or about his tacit approval of something said or done in his presence.[3] Classical hadith specialist Ibn Hajar says that the intended meaning of "hadith" in religious tradition is something attributed to Muhammad, as opposed to the Qur'an.[4] Other associated words possess similar meanings: "khabar" (news, information) often refers to reports about Muhammad, but sometimes refers to traditions about his companions (sah?ba) and their successors from the following generation (t?bi'?n); conversely, "athar" (trace, vestige) usually refers to traditions about the companions and successors, though sometimes connotes traditions about Muhammad. The word sunnah (custom) is also used in reference to a normative custom of Muhammad or the early Muslim community.

Hadith are generally categorized as sah?h (sound, authentic), da`?f (weak), or mawd?` (fabricated). Other classifications used also include: hasan (good), which refers to an otherwise sah?h report suffering from minor deficiency, or a weak report strengthened due to numerous other corroborating reports; and munkar (ignored) which is a report that is rejected due to the presence of a solitary and generally unreliable transmitter."

Fifth grade. the acts of the Prophet are separate from the Quran, and are not regarded as holy text.

Btw, since you are using holy text to justify the unholy,

"1:4 And Judah went up; and the LORD delivered the Canaanites and the Perizzites into their hand: and they slew of them in Bezek ten thousand men.

1:5 And they found Adonibezek in Bezek: and they fought against him, and they slew the Canaanites and the Perizzites.

1:6 But Adonibezek fled; and they pursued after him, and caught him, and cut off his thumbs and his great toes.

1:7 And Adonibezek said, Threescore and ten kings, having their thumbs and their great toes cut off, gathered their meat under my table: as I have done, so God hath requited me. And they brought him to Jerusalem, and there he died.

1:8 Now the children of Judah had fought against Jerusalem, and had taken it, and smitten it with the edge of the sword, and set the city on fire.

1:9 And afterward the children of Judah went down to fight against the Canaanites, that dwelt in the mountain, and in the south, and in the valley.

1:10 And Judah went against the Canaanites that dwelt in Hebron: (now the name of Hebron before was Kirjatharba:) and they slew Sheshai, and Ahiman..."

Genocide in the name of the lord, both sides do it. and you mark out for one side.

[Audacity_of_Deception]

Limballs can't stand it that we have a president we can be proud of as a American not a party.
posted by shedhouserob

-You're in a world of your own rob. America is starting to wake up to Obama's deceptions, and it's driving you crazy.

But you're probably one of those hypnotized individuals that would rather follow Obama off of a cliff before coming to the defense of your own country.

WWeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

[brianbwb-2009]

"...If there was such a country called "Palestine" then there would be no need for a so-called "Palestinian state". A 5th grader could figure this out. " Posted by Audacity_of_Deception

But apparently you cannot.

"The name Palestine refers to a region of the eastern Mediterranean coast from the sea to the Jordan valley and from the southern Negev desert to the Galilee lake region in the north. The word itself derives from "Plesheth", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". Plesheth, (root palash) was a general term meaning rolling or migratory.

From the fifth century BC, following the historian Herodotus, Greeks called the eastern coast of the Mediterranean "the Philistine Syria" using the Greek language form of the name. In AD 135, after putting down the Bar Kochba revolt, the second major Jewish revolt against Rome, the Emperor Hadrian wanted to blot out the name of the Roman "Provincia Judaea" and so renamed it "Provincia Syria Palaestina", the Latin version of the Greek name and the first use of the name as an administrative unit. The name "Provincia Syria Palaestina" was later shortened to Palaestina, from which the modern, anglicized "Palestine" is derived.

This remained the situation until the end of the fourth century, when in the wake of a general imperial reorganization Palestine became three Palestines: First, Second, and Third. This configuration is believed to have persisted into the seventh century, the time of the Persian and Muslim conquests.

The Christian Crusaders employed the word Palestine to refer to the general region of the "three Palestines." After the fall of the crusader kingdom, Palestine was no longer an official designation. The name, however, continued to be used informally for the lands on both sides of the Jordan River. The Ottoman Turks, who were non-Arabs but religious Muslims, ruled the area for 400 years (1517-1917). Under Ottoman rule, the Palestine region was attached administratively to the province of Damascus and ruled from Istanbul. The name Palestine was revived after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in World War I and applied to the territory in this region that was placed under the British Mandate for Palestine. "

Your fifth grade teacher would have flunked you.

[Audacity_of_Deception]

President Obama is what I think America is about
posted shedhouserob

What a joke. He's devoted more of his time speaking to muslims in foreign lands while he's been prez then he has the American people.

He's been caught in bold faced lies time and time again. His latest lie is that the USA is one of the "largest Muslim countries in the world". Anyone can look up the stats and clearly see that this is not true. Muslims make up LESS THAN ONE PERCENT of the total population in America, while confessing Christians make up a whopping 78% of the American population

But Obama was quick to lie about that as well, declaring we are not a Christian nation, and then just a few weeks later saying we are one of the "largest Muslim countries in the world".

His lies are SO obvious that I could literally let a 1st grader sit in a room and watch his speeches and even HE/SHE could figure it out!

[Audacity_of_Deception]

After being corrected on your use of term, you insist on repeating what is now a known lie
posted by brianbwb-2009

-it IS NOT a LIE that young Arab children are taught to become suicide bombers for allah in the "Palestinian" territories. ANYONE with half a brain can look up this information ALL OVER THE INTERNET and other sources. It happens, and it is not condemned, but you will lie about it for the rest of your life in your relentless deceptive defense of Islam, and as long as I'm living and breathing, I will combat it with the truth, got it?