May 21, 2009 8:02 AM

White House: Gitmo Detainees' Fate Unclear

(CBS/AP)  In a rare, bipartisan defeat for President Barack Obama, the Senate voted overwhelmingly Wednesday to keep the prison at Guantanamo Bay open for the foreseeable future and forbid the transfer of any detainees to facilities in the United States.

Democrats lined up with Republicans in the 90-6 vote that came on the heels of a similar move a week ago in the House of Representatives, underscoring widespread apprehension among Mr. Obama's congressional allies over voters' strong feelings about bringing detainees to the U.S. The president readied a speech for Thursday on the U.S. fight against terrorism.

For symbolic effect, the speech will be at the National Archives where the Constitution is displayed, reports CBS News chief White House correspondent Chip Reid.

Mr. Obama has vowed to close the prison by January 2010, and the Senate's vote was not the final word on the matter. It will be next month at the earliest before Congress completes work on the legislation, giving the White House time pursue a compromise that would allow the president to fulfill his pledge.

But Obama's maneuvering room was further constrained during the day when FBI Director Robert Mueller told a congressional panel that he had concerns about bringing Guantanamo Bay detainees to prisons in the United States. Among the risks is "the potential for individuals undertaking attacks in the United States," said Mueller, who was appointed by President George W. Bush in 2001 and is serving a 10-year fixed term in office.

Additionally, U.S. District Judge John Bates ruled this week that some prisoners - but not all - can be held indefinitely at Guantanamo without being charged, thus increasing the pressure on the administration to develop a plan for the men held there.

After the Senate vote, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said, "The president understands that his most important job is to keep the American people safe and that he is not going to make any decision or any judgment that imperils the safety of the American people."

He added Mr. Obama has not yet decided where some of the detainees will be sent. A presidential commission is studying the issue.

There was no suspense in the moments leading to the Senate vote, although Democrats maneuvered to take political credit for denying Obama funds he sought to close the prison. They hoped to negate weeks of Republican warnings about the danger involved.

Sen. Daniel Inouye, a Democrat and chairman of the Appropriations Committee, said he had initially favored keeping Guantanamo open until Obama produced a "coherent plan for closing the prison."

He said he was changing course and "the fact that the administration has not offered a workable plan at this point made that decision easy."

The administration asked for $80 million to close the facility. Obama promised repeatedly as a presidential candidate to shut down the prison, calling it a blot on the international image of the United States.

Even in voting to deny him the funds, Obama's Democratic allies insisted the president was fundamentally correct.

The president's supporters say critics are fear-mongering, reports Reid.

"The reality is we are holding some of the most dangerous terrorists in the world right now in our federal prisons," said Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill.

Like the Supermax prison in Colorado which holds among others shoe bomber Richard Reid and al Qaeda member Zacarius Moussaoui, reports Reid.

"It has 490 beds. They are reserved for the worst of the worst," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein of California. "Guantanamo is used by al Qaeda as a symbol of American abuse of Muslims and is fanning the flames of anti-Americanism around the world."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who had said on Tuesday he opposed allowing detainees to be transferred to U.S. prisons, issued a statement saying he might change his mind on that point.

The lopsided vote was a victory for the Senate Republicans, who have recently turned their attention to Obama's policies on foreign policy and terrorism after failing to make headway in criticizing his economic program.

Sen. Mitch McConnell, the Republican leader, has delivered numerous speeches in recent weeks raising pointed questions about Obama's plans to close the prison without first explaining where the men held there would be sent. "For months, we have been saying what Senate Democrats now acknowledge: that because the administration has no plan for what to do with the 240 detainees at Guantanamo, it would be irresponsible and dangerous for the Senate to appropriate the money to close it," McConnell said shortly before the vote.

Obama came to office pledging a dramatic change in George W. Bush's terrorism policy. In the months since, he has woven an uncertain course, occasionally angering liberals.

He first backed the cancellation of military tribunals for prisoners, then announced he wanted them resumed with greater legal protections for the accused. Last week, he reversed course on another issue, deciding to appeal a court-ordered release of prisoner-abuse photos taken at Abu Ghraib in Iraq.

Several Republicans praised Obama for those very steps.

"I commend him for being very willing to change his opinion in light of having access to the intelligence he didn't have access to" as a candidate, said Sen. Orrin Hatch.

FBI Director Mueller made his comments before the House Judiciary Committee.

Prodded by Rep. Jerrold Nadler, a Democrat to agree that Guantanamo detainees could be kept safely in maximum security prisoners in the United States, Mueller declined. He noted that in some instances gang leaders have run their gangs from inside prisons.



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by number1GI May 21, 2009 9:45 PM EDT
I QUIT !!
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by number1GI May 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT
I QUIT !
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by auto1234abc May 21, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
It continues to amaze me the lack of validity of the alleged arguments of those advocating strict-constructionist approaches to the courts. These people argue that the law is the law yet are the first to claim the right to ignore significant portions of the constitution and legal statutes when the find them un-comforting. Like ignoring of Supreme Court rulings they disagree with, the complete refusal to recognize articles of the US Constitution as the SUPREME law of the land including Article 6, the full contents of Article 1 Section 8 while protesting against the ACLU and others that continue to support the AMERICAN TRADITION that we ARE A NATION OF LAWS and not the lawless vigilantes that FALSELY claim to be STRICT-CONSTRUCTIONISTS.
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by auto1234abc May 21, 2009 12:41 PM EDT
they're being bounced around because there's no VENUE to try them in US courts!
Posted by Rowdy2009 at 8:19 AM : May 21, 2009

MORE BLATANT LIES refited by the MCA, the Supreme Court and at least one appellate court decision - PARHAT
Posted by auto1234abc at 9:25 AM : May 21, 2009

No, no lies, and not refitted by anybody. The SCOTUS opinion merely said, if you want to bring these terrorists up into the US court system you have to provide an alternative venue than habaes corpus...and most of these cases are STILL bouncing around the court systems even thought the ACLU decided to bring them up anyway...
Posted by Rowdy2009 at 9:34 AM : May 21, 2009

ACTUALLY THE SUPRME COURT THREATENED THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION due to the delays and informed them that the prisoners WOULD BE managed in US courts if the Administration did not conduct the necessary actions under military jurisdiction -- COMPLETELY REFUTING YOUR FABRICATIONS -- THE HABEAS RULING was that it MUST BE provided and could not be eliminated or withheld for the lack of an alternate procedure (which the court admitted did not yet exist) -- So the get the same Habeas procedure we have because no one has created a viable alternative.
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by auto1234abc May 21, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
they're being bounced around because there's no VENUE to try them in US courts!
Posted by Rowdy2009 at 8:19 AM : May 21, 2009

MORE BLATANT LIES refited by the MCA, the Supreme Court and at least one appellate court decision - PARHAT
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by chitown639 May 21, 2009 12:19 PM EDT
Kinda like calling some one a chimp huh?
Posted by Trust_me_

Yeah, the truth hurts sometime doesn't it....but it's time to let go all those nasty things those mean old schoolyard bullies called you back in grade school....just keep telling youself that you're not that much of a Chimp......
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by Trust_me_ May 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT
even called Obama a MORON!

Kinda like calling some one a chimp huh?
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by Trust_me_ May 21, 2009 12:02 PM EDT
President Obama told human rights advocates at the White House on Wednesday that he was mulling the need for a ?preventive detention? system that would establish a legal basis for the United States to incarcerate terrorism suspects who are deemed a threat to national security but cannot be tried, two participants in the private session said.
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by lehnahund May 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT
Yeah, she did, she said his Stinkulus Plan looked like a load of garbage.
Posted by Rowdy2009 at 8:10 AM : May 21, 2009

You said she called Obama a moron. and you didnīt pove that.

an th G 20 France and Germany were only for further stimulus if that was connected with a policy of controlling and regulating banks in the future. she didn`t call the Obamas plan garbage.

you donīt understand a lot, but you talk, talk, talk...

we have a few stimulus plans over here, not small ones, and banking bailouts as well. like a lot of other countries at the moment. some systemic banks are in parts taken over by the state holding shares for the money they handed out.

you donīt understand a lot, but you talk, talk, talk...

the main difference is our social system. just now. when you lose your job here you are not falling into a deep pit, lose your house, your flat, you health insurance, education of your kids. we donīt have tent cities springing up.

you donīt understand a lot, but you talk, talk, talk...
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by the74blaster May 21, 2009 11:18 AM EDT
At a time when Iran just nuked up, right in the face of this MORON and called him STUPID!! And at a time when North Korea did the same!!! And even at a time when Israel is calling him STUPID!

Jeebus, how naive can you be?
Posted by Rowdy2009 at 7:50 AM : May 21, 2009


So do you care to tell us when these countries obtained nukes? If they did it was under Bush or in response to his cowboy foreign policy.

Geewiz, you need to start paying attention to current events and stop listening to Rush.
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