July 16, 2009 10:51 AM

Iraq: 87,215 Citizens Killed Since 2005

(CBS/AP)  At least 87,215 Iraqis have been killed in violence since 2005, according to a previously undisclosed Iraqi government tally obtained by The Associated Press.

Combined with tallies based on hospital sources and media reports since the beginning of the war and a review of available evidence by the AP, the figures show that more than 110,000 Iraqis have died in violence since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.

The Health Ministry death tally, provided by a government official on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the data, counts deaths from the beginning of 2005 until Feb. 28. It excludes thousands of people who are missing and civilians who were buried in the chaos of war without official notice.

The figure includes only violent deaths - people killed in attacks such as shootings, bombings, mortar attacks and beheadings. It excludes indirect factors such as damage to infrastructure, health care and stress that caused thousands more to die.

Authoritative statistics for 2003 and 2004 do not exist. But Iraq Body Count, a private, British-based group, has tallied civilian deaths from media reports and other sources since the war's start. Combining its figures, which are corroborated by the AP's own reporting and that of other reputable sources, with the Health Ministry figures shows that more than 110,000 Iraqis have died in the war.

The AP reviewed the Iraq Body Count analysis and confirmed its conclusions by sifting the data and consulting experts. The AP also interviewed experts involved with previous studies, prominent Iraq analysts and provincial and medical officials to determine that the new tally was credible.

Meanwhile, the numbers continued to rise Thursday, as two separate suicide attacks killed at least 78 people in the deadliest day of violence to strike the country this year.

The bombings are the latest in a series of high-profile attacks that have raised concern of an uptick in violence as the U.S. military scales back its forces in Iraq ahead of a planned withdrawal by the end of 2011.

The latest attacks came as Iraqi security officials said they captured one of the most wanted leaders of the al Qaeda-linked Sunni insurgency, an arrest that could deliver a significant blow to an intensified campaign of attacks.

The officials identified the arrested man as Abu Omar al-Baghdadi who's believed to lead the Islamic State of Iraq, an umbrella group of Sunni militant factions that is believed dominated by Al Qaeda in Iraq. However in the past, Iraqi officials have reported al-Baghdadi's arrest or killing, only to later say they were wrong. The U.S. military has even said al-Baghdadi could be a fictitious character used to give an Iraqi face to an organization dominated by foreign al Qaeda fighters.

In Baghdad, a suicide bomber blew himself up among a group of Iraqis collecting humanitarian aid in a mainly Shiite area, killing at least 31 people, the Iraqi military said.

The attacker struck as police were distributing Iraqi Red Crescent food parcels in the central neighborhood of Karradah, the main Baghdad military spokesman said.

It not immediately clear who carried out the attack, but one witness said it appeared to be a woman. Women have been used in suicide bombings in Iraq, most recently during a Feb. 13 attack on Shiite pilgrims in Musayyib.

Muhanad Harbi, a shop owner near the blast site, said he saw a woman wearing a black robe wade into the crowd. He said it appeared she detonated an explosives belt.

Shanoon Humoud, 70, sat weeping amid burned food packages scattered on the ground. Her husband, her son and two grandchildren were killed in the blast.

Humoud said she was in her apartment praying when she heard the blast.

"I came down to look for my relatives who were getting the food," she said. "But I couldn't find them."

Some police were among the 31 people killed and 51 people were wounded, the military said.

North of Baghdad, a suicide bomber killed 47 people, including Iranian pilgrims, in a crowded restaurant, said Iraqi and U.S. military officials.

Military spokesman Derrick Cheng said 47 people were killed and about 69 were wounded when the suicide bomber detonated an explosives vest near Muqdadiyah, an insurgent hotbed about 60 miles (90 kilometers) northeast of Baghdad.

Iraqi police and hospital officials said another 65 were wounded. Most of the wounded were pilgrims, the officials said.

The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to release the information.

Also Thursday, American soldiers who specialize in clearing bombs from roads boarded a plane Thursday from Iraq to the Taliban heartland in southern Afghanistan, part of the largest movement of personnel and equipment between the two war fronts.

President Barack Obama is deploying 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan to beef up U.S. operations there.

U.S. military commanders have said the sharp decline in violence in Iraq and the increasing capabilities of Iraq's security forces made it possible to transition the soldiers.

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by CMancos April 27, 2009 6:40 AM EDT
the american judeo-christian neocons have shown their only ability is to deceive and deal death to great numbers of people.

when radical ideology is given power, as we have seen, power is abused.

we cannot gloss it over, nor can we put it into a "vietnam" like context. we are dealing here with criminal activities - pure and simple. had we not be served "doctored" intel, no one would have authorized our actions in iraq - afghanistan, no problem.

Who is going to pay for it?
Posted by karlimhof

You better look at the blood on Obama's hands before you start writing and pointing your finger. Bush may be responsible for a war but your choice for President, the one you cast your vote for, has innocent blood on his hands and so do you. He was and still is the most liberal pro-abortion politician in America. Every law that protected and curtailed abortion and partial birth abortion, Obama did away with. He doesn't care if a baby is fulling formed and ready to deliver, he has given the ok to kill it at that age or any age before birth. Does that bother your conscience as much as the deaths of people who burn your flag and dance in the streets on events like 911? If you voted for him, you are just as much a killer as you think the Neo-Cons are. Go wash your hands and while your at it take a good look in the mirror. By the way, in case you are to stupid to see it, we won the war in Iraq, so your comparisons to Vietnam are rediculous.
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by toldyouso29 April 25, 2009 5:57 PM EDT
This was always about stealing oil.
Posted by BeckieBest at 10:06 AM : Apr 23, 2009
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Where's all that oil the U.S. supposedly stole?
Posted by ibzebin at 10:16 AM : Apr 23, 2009


From most accounts, it is still locked up in that contract we tried to force Al Maliki to sign in order to facilitate our withdrawal. You know the one, that granted the US sole rights to development, exploration and refinement of Iraqi oil for the next 30 years? The one where Bush prefaced his agreement by defending our 'oil lease" by stating to not have it would put the world's 3rd largest depository of oil in the hands of Al Qaeda? Of course it was all about oil (economics)...and market share and military strategic bases---all usually done in any country for economics and market share. All the lies, torture and deaths while we continue the paperchase and try to make up pious reasons for the havoc we wreak.
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by oldwhiteguy1 April 24, 2009 8:12 PM EDT
Lets see if I got this
87,000 dead people in less than 4 years. Round it off. 22 thousand people a year.
Most, caused by the US invasion of a sovereign nation.
And ya say folks "hate us".
DUH!
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by CLoverNYC1 April 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT
So many soapboxes, so little time... lest we forget citizens...

The Iraqis are killing each other. This is about a centuries old fight between two barbarous religious tribes the sunnis and the shiites (who cut themselves for breakfast) and about the US being strategically allied with a middle east nation.

As for all the nonsense about "this was always about oil" that argument lacks merit and common sense. Where's the oil?

All we've done is replace one endless war with another. Liberals are such hypocrites.
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by kenshiro2012 April 24, 2009 8:13 AM EDT
response to the following: Posted by netjunkie1
Dont try to defend the facts as if they were just an inflamatory statement....Bush was a criminal in office now an ex official criminal with alot of criminal lobbyist cash to throw around. Yes he gets to keep all that money in political contributions for his own lobby.
I think the numbers are alot higher than known.

Posted by skyk-2009
No I believe it's called expressing your opinion.. you know having a discussion or debate with your Fellow American! Wild how much this nation REMEMBERS about being an American isn't it??

You both have missed the point of my post. Anyone can create a statistic using flat numbers and have that statistic prove whatever their point is. In the statistic that has been presented, it states that 87k Iraqis have died violently since 2005. Now this may well be true, i grant that. The problem that I have and which you as well as 99% of the people who have read this "news article" and who have posted here as well as on other sites, is that (as the authors intended) automatically equated this "fact" of 87k violent deaths in Iraq to somehow being caused by 1) US forces, 2) Bush / Cheney etc. My post, if you had read it without the hate filtered glasses, was meant to show that to take an arbitrary number such as 87 k violent deaths in Iraq is meaningless with a better breakdown of what and who caused those deaths. As my post stated, I can make a headline statement such as 338, 000 people have died violent deaths in the US since 2003, but without breaking that information down (as I did in my post) that statement has no meaning.
If you wish to examine the article's validity or look to see if it was not meant to cause uproar as it has, look for the following or ask CBS / AP or the author, the following questions:
1) Of the 87k violent deaths--- How many have been attributed to US or coalition forces?
2) How many of these deaths were caused by Iraqi citizens
3) how many of these deaths have been attributed to foreign (read Iran / Taliban / Al queda)
4) Using the same measuring stick as was used in the origional "fact finding", How many violent deaths occurred in Iraq prior to 2003.
Those are just general questions which should have been presented by the authors if they indeed wanted to write a true news article, instead of this yellow journalism.
A true news reporter and news agency, would have asked those and many more questions instead of this slanted and yes inflammatory "news"
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by searingtruth April 24, 2009 6:36 AM EDT
Goodnight fellow citizens.

And I'm sorry, but given our betrayal by both Bush and Obama, I can't really come up with anything inspirational to say in closing.

Let's just hope we are saved by someone, or something, lest none be saved at all.
ST

A Future of the Brave
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by formrusmcsgt April 24, 2009 6:27 AM EDT
...the figures show that more than 110,000 Iraqis have died in violence since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.
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And the neocons show no remorse whatsoever.

What else needs be said?
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by formrusmcsgt April 24, 2009 6:15 AM EDT
BeckieBest wrote: "This was always about stealing oil."

Not exactly. This was always about terrorizing the Iraqi citizenry into submission so they could eventually experience the joys of shopping malls and financial scandals.
Posted by WayAround at 12:37 AM : Apr 24, 2009

Actually, the neocon dream was to invade Iraq, topple Saddam and build four large permanent American bases from which to project power in the mifddle east.

One in the north near Russia, one in the east near Syria, one in the south near Saudi Arabia and the last in the east near Iran.

Funding for the bases was not withdrawn by Congress until October, 2006, when it became obvious that the neocon goal of having Iraqis accept Americans as perpetual occupiers was not going to fly.

So, just as has been dubya's history through life, he takes over something, runs it into the ground through sheer stupidity, and leaves for someone else to clean up.
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by Slrman-21001573651763300012869 April 24, 2009 5:57 AM EDT
Is it any wonder that George W. Bush is the most disliked person in the history on humanity? Never mind that he was also the worst US president, ever. If he had kept his idiocy at home instead of destroying Iraq and Afghanistan along with the USA, he would have at least remained more popular than Stalin and Hitler. Maybe not ahead of Idi Amin, though.

When is this man going to be tried as a traitor, war criminal, and violator of human rights? COme on, Congress, show some courage and responsibility for a change.
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by searingtruth April 24, 2009 4:19 AM EDT
"The head of my child has been split asunder. Please help me gather it."
SearingTruth

A Future of the Brave
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