April 27, 2009 1:00 AM

The Dilemma Over Coal Generated Power

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(CBS)  The future of our climate might be summed up in one question: what do we do about coal? Coal generates nearly half the electricity in the United States and the world. But it's the dirtiest fuel of all when it comes to carbon dioxide, or CO2, the leading greenhouse gas.

A few days ago, the Obama administration declared, for the first time, that CO2 is a threat to human health and it plans to impose limits. But making coal safe will come at an astronomical cost.

After the economy, this could be the biggest debate in Washington. One of the most influential people in this is Jim Rogers. Coal has made Rogers and his company rich and that's why we were surprised to hear what this high flying power baron has to say about what coal does to the environment.



Rogers wanted 60 Minutes to see America's enormous dependency on coal, so he flew correspondent Scott Pelley out to see one of his 20 coal burning power plants.

"I remember the first time I took a helicopter and looked down on a power plant like this. I was 41 years old and I said, 'Oh my goodness, I'm responsible for that!'" Rogers told Pelley.

Rogers is the CEO of Duke Energy, the nation's third largest electric utility. His stacks pump 100 million tons of carbon dioxide every year, which makes what comes out of Rogers' mouth so surprising.

"Controlling carbon emissions in the near future is inevitable in your view. This is going to happen," Pelley remarked.

"It's inevitable in my judgment," Rogers agreed.

"You're one of the biggest polluters in the world when it comes to carbon emissions," Pelley pointed out.

"We're one of the largest emitters. And it tells you how daunting the challenge is that we have in front of us," Rogers replied.

"You know, there are a lot of people many of them in your industry may who you probably know who say that global warming is not a big problem," Pelley said.

"It's my judgment it is a problem," Rogers said. "We need to go to work on it now. And it's critical that we start to act in this country."

Like a reformed tobacco executive, Rogers says we can't survive the emissions his industry creates. He showed 60 Minutes what he means at a North Carolina power station that can light up one and a half million homes.

Rogers told Pelley that particular plant burns roughly 19,000 tons of coal. "That's two train loads. And each train has about 100 cars," he explained.

The fact is, America runs on coal and here's one of the reasons why: the Powder River Basin that stretches across Wyoming and Montana may be the largest coal reserve on Earth. We've got 200 years worth of reserves - cheap, and right under our feet. No wonder coal generates half of our electricity.

But here's the brutal part: coal is twice as dirty as natural gas and puts more carbon dioxide in the air than all of our cars and trucks. In short, we're caught between a rock and a hot place.

"I notice all of this coming out of the stacks. What is that?" Pelley asked.

"That's good news," Rogers said. "When you see a plume comin' out of a stack of a power plant, that's vapor. And it basically says that the emissions have been cleaned."



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by SaveMichigan June 15, 2009 12:16 AM EDT
Water Fired Power Plants
Summery
This concept for a completely carbon-less power plant is very doable. All the technology is there. What we need is someone who can coordinate these brilliant minds, companies, and concepts into a power house of ideas for the better good of this country. I really wouldn't mind being that person. Getting these groups together to develop these power plants. Just think of where we can go.
These ideas should be put into public domain, and distributed world wide to help stop global warming. Maybe published in world science magazines. It's time to stop putting our own interest ahead of the interest of the entire country or world. If we keep going the way we are, it will be total destruction for this country and the world. I don't want to see that happen.
I would like President Barack Obama & V.P. Joe Biden, Dr. Steven Chue Secretary of DOE, and Dr. Jim Hanson of NASA and others to review my paper an give me their opinion on this matter.
Thanks for listening.
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 15, 2009 12:12 AM EDT
Water Powered power Plants
Other Cost Savings
Other cost saving not yet realized would probably be in the field Health Care of our nation and the world. Just breathing would be good. Not to mention the slowing down or stopping global warming. Stopping of the destruction of our oceans. This unseen damage can not be measured, however, we are starting to see some of the effects it is having on animal life dependent on the oceans. Polar bears, penguins, seals, aquatic birds, fish, etc. Don't we understand, this is our greatest food source. Eating would be good too.
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 15, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
Water powered Power Plants
Operating Cost Savings
1.Lower maintenance cost, due to lack of carbon build-up.
2.No expensive carbon filters required by the EPA, or turning carbon into liquid and pumping it underground with NO Idea of what kind of damage it might be doing under ground. ( Ref: Scott Pelley's Report. )
3.No heating cost for the building. Heat with electricity or steam produce by the plant itself.
4.Smaller footprint required for the building and land.
5.No land required for storage of coal or trains.
6.No train loads of coal, or tracks.
7.I could going on and on.
This is a win, win situation.
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 15, 2009 12:01 AM EDT
Water Powered Power Plants
Well Scott Pelley what do you think of the idea?
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 14, 2009 11:57 PM EDT
Water powered power plants.
The problem is that you'll be shutting down the coal, oil, and gas companies if this happens. Thiese guys have deep pockets full of money to stop this movement. The question I ask to youis: Do you to continue paying high prices for oil, or do you want to change to water and continue breathing. If we continue burning oil we are killing ourselves. We have a chance to change things, stop global warming amoung other thing.
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 14, 2009 11:45 PM EDT
Water Fired Power Plant
Thanks to TVA ( Tenneessee Valley Authority they have provided some hard numbers.
" for the year of 2008, they purchased 2.11 billion dallars in coal." Now just think of burning water. The water is already there. It can be converted so very easy. After it burns it turns back into water, and can be reburned. Not only could they save 2.11 billion dollars, they could stop global warming. A WIN, WIN! But no one is listening!
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 14, 2009 11:35 PM EDT
Financing this Project / Burning Water Power Plant
According to the News Paper accounts the Power Company in Holland, Michigan has $250,000,000 Dollars which they planned on to build this coal plant. The D.O.E. has matching funds for any project dealing with alternative energy. I believe this fits the bill if the power company will build an alternative type plant. I don't have any hard numbers yet, but just think about it, the fuel saving alone will more than pay for this project. According to Scott Pelley's report on CBS 60 Minutes, one coal plant will burn two train loads of coal (each train is a mile long) every day. Multiply by 365 days, that equals 730 train loads of coal a year. In Scott Pelley's report, China is opening a coal fired plant at the rate of one a week. Assuming they use the same amounts of trains per plant, that would be 730 trains times 52 weeks, equals 37960 total trains a year. Then multiply times the tons, then times the amount of carbon in each ton of coal, and so on. You do the math, and wounder why you are having trouble breathing.
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 14, 2009 11:28 PM EDT
Did you know one gallon of water (a liquid) = 1833 gallons on HHO (a gas) which can be burned as fuel. Think of it this way, water is fuel concentrate, just add low voltage electricity and you have an enormous amount of fuel to burn. After it is burned it returns to its original state. Unlike gasoline and others which will burn at any time, water will not. Only upon demand will water turn into fuel, and it expands so fast that it will keep up with what ever thing you are using it to burn it. NO CARBON! So why not use it in a power plant. All power plants have a water supply.
Charles
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by SaveMichigan June 14, 2009 11:06 PM EDT
You can create energy two ways, by separating atoms or putting them back together. Water is H2O liquid can be separated by running a low voltage electricity through it, turning it into HHO a gas. You then take HHO and put it back together by burning it. The exhaust is water. NO Pollution, NO Carbon! What a Great Concept! It really works!
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by burtonsd May 3, 2009 7:10 PM EDT
WHen fossil fuels combust they produce carbon dioxide. "Clean" energy from fossil fuels is physically impossible. Congratulations to Scott Pelley for calling the coal Tsar on his preposterous claim. He hung himself. Hopefully he won't get the opportunity to hang all of us as well.
S. Burton MA
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