April 23, 2009 1:30 PM

Undisclosed Fees Ravage 401(k)s

By
Jim Axelrod
(CBS)  As the man responsible for the 401(k) plan at McGee Brothers, a masonry company in Charlotte, N.C., Neal Parker didn't like what he was seeing - the returns to his employees didn't match up with the performance of the funds they invested in.

"We looked into it. It was hard to determine anything," Parker said.

He challenged the bank that was managing the 401(k) and discovered that administrative fees were eating into the returns to the company's plan, by as much 4 or 5 percent.

"Four percent, compounded, could easily be four or five hundred thousand dollars," Parker observed. "It was very difficult to get clear and concise as to what those fees were."

Injecting transparency and simplicity into the 401(k) system was the subject of a Congressional hearing Wednesday.

Rep. Phil Roe is like any investor. He's also a medical doctor.

"I got thru organic chemistry and trying to figure out some of these fees is difficult to do," he said.

Nothing's been settled on Capitol Hill. But with half the workforce in America participating in a 401(k) or similar program, nearly everyone agrees that something has to change.

"The fees really pile up and destroy, literally destroy, your ability to earn a fair return," said John Bogle, founder of The Vanguard Group.

Typically, financial services companies charge a variety of fees to manage 401(k) funds - administration, audit, compliance, legal and recordkeeping fees.

"Of course there is no free lunch and there is no such thing as a free 401(k) plan," said Julian Onorato, CEO of Expertplan, a retirement plan administrator.

But by the time the individual investor gets a breakout of those fees, there's a lot less detail. If you have a 401(k), advisers says you should demand a full accounting from your plan administrator of what you're paying for and what you're getting in return.

When Parker didn't get answers he was satisfied with about fees, he transferred his company's 401(k) from the bank his company had done business with for 38 years.

"If you got the full benefit of what you invested in, and the fees were reasonable, you can expect to get, I estimate, between 6 and 10 years' additional retirement funds," he said.

Not a bad example. With the market shrinking 401(k)s every day, why lose even more money? Especially for fees you don't even know you're paying.

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by ianlou April 24, 2009 3:13 PM EDT
This is not Capitalism, It's Robbery.
Your employer choses your 401K Administrator.

Then the 401K Administrator decides how much they can get away with gouging you with fees.

If any of these people need help because they are thinking of diving out a high rise window,

I'll help them open the window.
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by truth-b-toll April 23, 2009 10:56 AM EDT
Thank God and the Democrats that Bush-Cheney didn't get their GREEDY hands on our social security!
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by Paddyoctoshine April 23, 2009 9:23 AM EDT
No need to worry about securing the US borders - the terrorists are already here - they are overweight fat guys in suits - with a bible in one hand and a wad a your cash in the other.
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by Paddyoctoshine April 23, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
We don't have to worry about border secuity - the terrorist are already here - they are usually fat white guys in suits with a bible in one hand and a wad of your cash in the other.
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by Paddyoctoshine April 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT
Financial institutions, large corporations and pharmiceutical companies run this country. There is no accountability they do as they please. We don't have to worry about border secuity - the terrorist are already here - they are usually fat white guys in suits with a bible in one hand and a wad of your cash in the other.
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by Paddyoctoshine April 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT
Financial institutions, large corporations and pharmiceutical companies run this country. There is no accountability they do as they please. We don't have to worry about border secuity - the terrorist are already here - they are usually fat white guys in suits with a bible in one hand and a wad of your cash in the other.
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by Paddyoctoshine April 23, 2009 9:18 AM EDT
Financial institutions, large corporations and pharmiceutical companies run this country. There is no accountability they do as they please. We don't have to worry about border secuity - the terrorist are already here - they are usually fat white guys in suits with a bible in one hand and a wad of your cash in the other.
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by Paddyoctoshine April 23, 2009 9:17 AM EDT
Financial institutions, large corporations and pharmiceutical companies run this country. There is no accountability they do as they please. We don't have to worry about border secuity - the terrorist are already here - they are usually fat white guys in suits with a bible in one hand and a wad of your cash in the other.
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by mrs_entity April 23, 2009 8:46 AM EDT
Shut up you liberals and pay your undisclosed fees!
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by curse914 April 23, 2009 8:16 AM EDT
The stock market has exposed itself. The only real money that was ever there was what employees contributed. That money has been looted.

Posted by rightaboutit at 8:08 PM : Apr 22, 2009

The first IPO is investment capital, everything after that is gambling. The formation of a new system to inject capital into businesses could be done with a little innovation.

The existing artifice with which our money is stolen is too appealing to established wealth. Gut the system and rebuild it from the ground up.
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