Annals Of Impeachment: Oust Bybee?

Andrew Cohen: Times' Call For Judge's Impeachment Reflects Widespread Frustration With Obama's Inaction On Torture

(CBS)  The New York Times - and not the Congress or the Obama Administration - has just determined where the American torture story will go in the wake of last week’s momentous turns in the tale. In one of its house editorials Sunday, the Times declared that torture-memo author Jay Bybee, now a federal appeals court judge, should be impeached for his role in formulating the Bush administration’s (probably) illegal, (apparently) unsuccessful, and (certainly) odious “enhanced interrogation” rules.

“These [newly-released] memos make it clear,” the Times noted, “that Mr. Bybee is unfit for a job that requires legal judgment and a respect for the Constitution. Congress should impeach him. And if the administration will not conduct a thorough investigation of these issues, then Congress has a constitutional duty to hold the executive branch accountable. If that means putting Donald Rumsfeld and Alberto Gonzales on the stand, even Dick Cheney, we are sure Americans can handle it.”

Of course the American people can “handle” an honest review of the Bush administration’s torture policies and practices, whether it comes in the form of an impeachment trial for Bybee, a criminal prosecution of fellow memo-drafter John Yoo, or a “Torture Commission” christened with subpoena power by Congress. Indeed, it seems that millions of Americans are clamoring for such action. The outcry from civil libertarians and others late last week, when it became clear that the White House would not prosecute former officials over torture, was nothing short of fierce - fiercer by far than the criticism of the Obama Administration for releasing the memos in the first place.

The Times’ editorial merely reflects a measure of the frustration felt this weekend by White House supporters who expected more from this administration. The problem here for the Obama Administration - and let’s be frank this now is a problem for the administration - is that neither the White House nor the Justice Department seems willing or able to explain or justify the gulf between Attorney General Eric Holder’s talk about the government’s recommitment to the “rule of law” and President Barack Obama’s talk about the need for “reflection and not retribution” against former officials who may have broken the law.

If we believe that our “rule of law” looks backward, at past conduct to determine whether it warrants “retribution” in the form of punishment, then surely Judge Bybee and Alberto Gonzales and John Yoo and Steven Bradbury and others deserve to be held accountable for the way they twisted the law to “legalize” torture. And if you believe, as the President seems to suggest, that our “rule of law” should look forward, too, then how do you argue against empanelling a blue-ribbon commission to ensure that we know how to deal with the torture issue should it be raised again in the future? Would that not be a “reflective” act?

Until the Obama administration explains that gulf it is going to continue to have problems with and pressure from critics (and friends) on the torture issue. It’s an issue that goes directly to the heart of a major campaign theme - transparency - and it obviously cannot be resolved merely by releasing old, outdated memos that “no longer reflect” the views of the government. In fact, it’s the power of the details contained in the memos themselves that make the administration’s lack of desire to investigate, never mind prosecute, so disturbing to so many people looking for answers.

All of which brings us back to Judge Bybee. Here is a good account of what he did and did not say during his 2003 confirmation hearing for judgeship. Remember, at the time he was sworn to tell the truth to Senate Judiciary Committee members and had already penned the torture memos (the existence of which did not become public until 2004). Not only did he not share that information with the Committee - at least not on the public record - he consistently demonstrated during his hearing that he was unrepentant about the extraordinary level of secrecy employed by the White House in waging war against terrorism and downright contemptuous of Congressional oversight.

It’s detestable - but not impeachable. If the Congress and the White House are going to do something about this mess, and only one thing, I hope they don’t spend time and energy trying to impeach Judge Bybee. It would quickly devolve into a partisan mess the country cannot afford. That’s the same reason why I have consistently argued against indictment and prosecution for these venal men and in favor of a bipartisan commission endorsed by the Administration, controlled by Congress, and filled with wise men and women who can help us both “reflect” on how we came to torture and prove our willingness going forward to adhere to the rule of law.

The Bush Administration put us in this untenable, awkward position by hiding secret policies and stretching the law beyond where it was designed to go. The Obama administration is keeping us there by praising transparency even as it takes active steps to avoid it. The torture story shouldn’t end before we know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - and the responsibility for making that happen now rests squarely with the Democrats in the White House, the Justice Department and the Congress.

How easy it is to condemn others for most anything.If Bush and his admin had done nothig and there hd been more 9/11 attacks on America,you same folks would be screaming to stop them whatever it takes. I didn't hear you screaming when the thugs drug an American's body ,tied to the back of a car, thru the streets until he finally died. I don't hear you remembering the ones like Dan Pearl who have been tortured and beheaded in Iraq or Afghanistan.I do not think tortue is a good thing but their are those who would claim torture because they were held in a jail cell and asked questions periodically.And stop blaming just the President for everything. You have 535 other elected representatives in Congress who are supposed to be aware of what is going on and raise their voice publicly if they think it not right. Look at your own Senators and Members of the House and see how good a job do you think theyt are doing enforcing the Constitution of this nation. I'll wager, like me, you'll find they are more interested in lining their pockets than in whistle blowing!!

[taymere]

These people are cowards from Bush on down. They are currently letting an enlisted man rot in the brig for 10 years claiming that he was a "bad apple" rather than admitting that the top leadership signed off on torture. Condoleeza Rice walks a free and wealthy woman while an enlisted man rots in the brig. A leader takes the hit for his men and doesn't hide behind them. Impeach Bybee and prosecute armchair commando chickenhawks like Wolfowitz. The Bush administration has been the most criminal in US history, he's a worldwide version of Pinohet

[labrat9999]

My last word on this subject...had any of us lived during WWII we wouldn't even be having this conversation. We would be screaming for Bush and Cheney to be put on jail. Just like Hitler and gang, Bush and gang commited atrocities against other human beings. It doesn't matter how the perpetrator justifies their actions that these poeple were some how less human or less entitled to the rule of law there's no possible justification for their actions. And it doesn't matter that under the same circumstances we would be compelled to do the same thing. We are either a nation of laws or we are not.

[polisigh]

Cheney and Rove and FOX assert that torture prevented American deaths by providing intelligence that was otherwise unavailable. Of course, none of them, not Cheney, not Rove or all the FOX hosts, can prove it any. But they will keep repeating this, just like they kept repeating the WMD lies.

[didserve]

Start War Crimes Trials!

[truth-b-toll]

and they made this guy a JUDGE!?? typical of the FAILED Bush/Cheney dictatorship - reward incompetence -HECK OF A JOB BROWNIE! WE NEED TO CLEANSE OUR GOVERNMENT OF NEOCONS...

[jsl45]

We should send them all to the Hague and let them try Cheney, Rumsfeld and all the others for crimes against humanity....that will take it out of the policial ring and let justice prevail. These people should be held accountable for their crimes~!!!!!!

[brianbwb-2009]

"Torture breaks a person in body or in mind. We have done none of that, only using phsychological efforts that leave the person interogated still capable of performing every feat or skill whether mental or physicl they were capable of before..." Posted by kesac4650

Another neo ignoring the law, which says,

Article 1
1. For the purposes of this Convention, the term "torture" means any
act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is
intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or
a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a
third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or
intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on
discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at
the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or
other person acting in an official capacity."

Nothing there about being broken.

"... We can't allow another murder of 3,000 innocent Americans because we are not tough enough to do what needs to be done." Posted by kesac4650

Another neo choosing to ignore the fact (long since public record) that those who claimed responsibility (Al Qaeda) were not only not Iraqis, or Afghanis, but a black ops group of gun runners, assassins, and drug smugglers, organized, funded and trained by the CIA, and that torturing innocent people does absolutely nothing to protect Americans.

[kesac4650]

ABC News Chief Reporter has previously run told us that enhanced interrogations saved lives. There is an article in the NY Times today pointing out omissions in the reporting on the subject where much of the media tells us half of what the released memos say, and not the part documenting intelligence gained and attacks thwarted.
Torture breaks a person in body or in mind. We have done none of that, only using phsychological efforts that leave the person interogated still capable of performing every feat or skill whether mental or physicl they were capable of before.
We can't allow another murder of 3,000 innocent Americans because we are not tough enough to do what needs to be done.

[zeitmin77]

The human rights industry is the driving force here.Obama however knows fully well that the industry is actually targeting the presidential powers.

[hologram5]

@janefondu:
Go back to North Vietnam and suck up some more. The whole 9/11 thing was a sham and it will come out in time anyways. Bin Lauden had NOTHING to do with it and most of the USA knows it.

[tx_doughboy]

Did anyone catch former VP Cheney on FOX last night? He argues that the techniques were justified because they received intelligence that saved American lives.

He did not give any specifics so I am not sure I believe him.

[skyk-2009]

Don't hold your breath till anyone in the Bush administration is prosecuted for their illegal acts. Mr. Obama wants the same powers Mr. Bush had and he's not going to jeopardize those powers by upholding the law.
Posted by creeper00 at 6:19 AM : Apr 21, 2009

Oh COME ON!! Don't be rediculous! IF he wanted the same powers Bush had he doesn't release one thing. He most certainly doesn't sign the order to conduct no further torture. I don't know how much you people think we can dump on one man and expect everything to be fixed as you like it. Look at what this man REPLACED!! I mean we are talking about replacing a FRAUD, a LIAR, a CRIMINAL. Now add to that the fact that the Man was TOTALLY INCOMPETENT... EVERY thing he touched went to crap and ALL that was dumped in this man's lap. He didn't create Bush and the Incompetent Republican Congress and in this case he's telling us, clean it up yourself. We have representatives and they have responsibilities.

[skyk-2009]

All can suk it. There was no 9/13, 10/20 or any other attack on American soil during Bush's tenure. For that I am grateful to him and the CIA operatives. To those agents, you swore an oath to the country not a president. Keep us safe and God Bless!!!
Posted by janefondu at 11:02 PM : Apr 20, 2009

Well no?? Bin Laden was off in a safe haven rebuilding and retraining his folks and now he's back as strong as ever while we were off in a Nation that had NOTHING to do with Bin Laden, wasting a LOT of money and getting our best and brightest killed. Would you have attacked if you were him? LOL Now IF that makes you feel safer you are truly one sick ditto head!!

[skyk-2009]

Wow. Where were you when the neocons got their panties in a twist over a stain on a blue dress and impeached a President because he lied about a private affair between two consenting adults?
Posted by cs4466 at 2:28 PM : Apr 20, 2009

Well you see to a Toe Tapper and their sense of Values, that stained dress was MUCH more damaging to our Nation than ANY law the people passed or ANY expectations they may of had to have those Laws Obeyed. Do you know the damage two consenting adults having Oral Sex after hours can do to the defense of a Nation?? ROFLMAO

[skyk-2009]

ANYONE reading the Memo this guy wrote on Torture can NOT be for keeping him on ANY Court.. He shouldn't even have a Law License!! I do not want this man involved in ANYTHING this side of Street Sweeping!!

[koko98-2009]

Will stuff like this keep people from giving advice to the President? I sure hope so. If you give advice to the President that cannot stand up in the clear light of day,THEN GIVE THE PRESIDENT BETTER ADVICE.

[creeper00]

Don't hold your breath till anyone in the Bush administration is prosecuted for their illegal acts. Mr. Obama wants the same powers Mr. Bush had and he's not going to jeopardize those powers by upholding the law.

[janefondu]

All can suk it. There was no 9/13, 10/20 or any other attack on American soil during Bush's tenure. For that I am grateful to him and the CIA operatives. To those agents, you swore an oath to the country not a president. Keep us safe and God Bless!!!

[fedship]

Article III of the Constitution provides that judges shall office during good behavior. You can not impeach a federal judge for bad behavior in which he or she may have engaged before taking office. An earlier commentator's comparison to the impeachment of President Clinton is misplaced since he committed his alleged crime of perjury while in office.