March 15, 2009

Jump-Starting The Electric Car Dream

Some Are Getting Charged Up About A "Crazy Idea" To Transform How We Drive

  • Play CBS Video Video Making The World A 'Better Place'

    Shai Agassi is on a monumental quest to make the world a '"better place." He wants to replace everyone's gas-fueled cars with environmentally friendly electric cars. David Pogue reports.

  • Fill 'er up! Better Place's director of infrastructure products and international deployment development Tal Agassi demonstrates the use of a charge spot for an electric vehicle at a car park in Ramat Hasharon, Israel, Dec. 8, 2008.

    Fill 'er up! Better Place's director of infrastructure products and international deployment development Tal Agassi demonstrates the use of a charge spot for an electric vehicle at a car park in Ramat Hasharon, Israel, Dec. 8, 2008.  (AP Photo/Moti Milrod)

(CBS)  David Pogue of The New York Times hitches a ride with a man who thinks he has the answer to climate change, dependence on foreign oil, and creating jobs, all with the flick of a switch:

Silicon Valley millionaire Shai Agassi has a huge, huge idea.

"When you find a great purpose in life, you gotta pursue it," he said.

He calls his idea Better Place. And investors love it - they've already poured $300 million into it.

One believer is Alan Salzman, CEO of Vantage Point Venture Partners: "I think it's one of those seminal companies that is going to change the way the world functions."

Governments are getting behind it too.

GAVIN:disk2 We believe this is the future.

And what is the big idea? Solve the climate crisis, create jobs, and eliminate our dependence on foreign oil … in three easy steps.

Step 1: Persuade the world's car companies to make electric cars with swappable batteries.

"You'll plug in a cable and that's it," Agassi said.

Step 2: Persuade governments to install millions of recharging outlets.

"They will be at home, they'll be at work, they'll be at downtown and retail centers," Agassi said. "And by the time you came back to your car, it's topped off."

Step 3: When people want to go on longer drives, when there's no time to recharge the battery, build battery-swapping stations all over the world.

Agassi described lanes like in gas stations at these "switch" stations. "You go into the switch station. Your depleted battery comes out, a full battery comes in. And you keep driving. It takes you about two, three minutes."

See? Easy! All Shai Agassi has to do is oversee the largest global infrastructure project in history, replace 2 billion gas cars with electric ones, and then convince you to buy them.

Has anyone told him, "By the way, this is crazy?"

"Oh, about nine out of ten people say it's crazy!" he laughed. "But the other ones are actually saying, 'Where can I put my money?'"

That would include Alan Salzman of Vantage Point.

"We have this very simple investment thesis, and it's served us well for the last 25 years," he said. "And that is, 'Bet on the inevitable.' I'll grant it's of large scale. But none of this requires what we think of as new laws of physics. This is all doable."

In fact, Nissan and Renault have agreed to manufacture the first battery-swappable cars. Prototypes are already on the road.

Now, to pull this off, Better Place is going to need more than money, and more than technology. It's also going to need the people in the halls of political power to sign on.

And that's the amazing part: Country by country, Agassi is convincing governments to install all those power outlets for his electric cars.

(AP/G. Yamamoto, Hon. Advertiser)
"So Israel was first," Agassi said. "Denmark signed up next. Australia signed up after. The Premier of Ontario announced we're going to go to Ontario. Governor Lingle of Hawaii was really the driving force behind getting us to Hawaii.

(Left: Shai Agassi, founder and CEO of Better Place, shows the electric components under the hood of a converted Nissan Rogue to Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle, in Honolulu, Dec. 2, 2008.)

"We are talking about 25 countries around the world, and various different governors and mayors in the U.S."

That includes San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. He told Pogue that he and the mayors of Oakland and San Jose want to create 250,000 stations (or points of contact) for electric charging."

For a company only a year-and-a-half old, Better Place has made amazing progress.

But it's all for nothing, unless people actually buy those cars.

How much would one cost?

"If you take the battery component out of our car, which is what we do - we don't let you buy the battery, we buy the battery - an SUV will cost roughly the same as an equivalent gas SUV, roughly in the $20,000 range. A sedan will cost roughly the same range."

But here's the twist: The car gets cheaper the more you agree to drive.

"We're just like a cell phone company," Agassi said. "We sell miles. We pay for your financing of the car, depending on how many miles you commit. Sort of like how many minutes you commit [on your phone]. You can go all the way down (and in the case of people who drive a lot, like taxis) to zero."

"Free car? If you sign up for the maximum minutes plan?" asked Pogue.

"This is Oprah for everybody, right?" he laughed. "You all got a free car!"

Now, not everybody is sold on Agassi's plan. There will be challenges ahead, as Mayor Newsom is well aware.

"So, we're talking about 250,000 charging stations," Newsom said. "Nine Bay Area counties that can't get along on any other issue, and they're gonna create a standardized outlet system and a ubiquitous service? Very difficult. So, that's a legitimate critique. Though, we say, 'Prove us wrong.' Don't assume us wrong. We believe in this."

According to Better Place, wide-scale testing begins next year. By 2011, cars and charging spots will be operational in Israel, Denmark and Hawaii.
"For a transformation of this magnitude, it's immensely fast," Agassi said.

He thinks he knows how to make the world a better place … and it's crazy enough that it might work.

"That's the stimulus project we've been looking for," he said. "It's the infrastructure project of our generation."


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    by 2centsbook July 7, 2009 2:02 PM EDT
    100% electric cars are definitely what the future of the American automotive industry SHOULD be (although if you look at the statistics, it is not where we are headed...). They are the best and most versatile way to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and our dependency on oil. I think that everyone should inform themselves more about electric vehicles. There are plenty of good website, movies, and books out there to start. I was completely ignorant about the topic until I read "Two Cents Per Mile" by Nevres Cefo, and it changed my life. I believe everyone should read it. http://bit.ly/2centspermile
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    by gomattolson April 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
    The most difficult thing about the proliferation of electric cars isn't the technology, but consumers' willingness to change. You can tell that Shai is passionate about his big idea. If he's a good of a leader as an innovator, it will succeed. I'm looking forward to this future.
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    by mdeitrich March 31, 2009 10:47 AM EDT
    Did anyone have difficulty viewing the video? We would like to see it but it doesn't seem to be working. Thanks so much.
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    by ajain31 March 26, 2009 11:08 AM EDT
    Read on more on BetterPlace.com:

    http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/19/electric-cars-for-all-no-really-this-time/?scp=4&sq=renewable%20energy%20cars&st=cse

    Electric Cars by 2012 Obama's second term!!! Go electric!!! Go President Obama!

    Ajay Jain
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    by Scimajor March 23, 2009 12:04 AM EDT
    I drive a Prius. I will never go back to a gas only vehicle. Oh and for all those worried about all the lead waste from used batteries I have two points:

    1. Lead acid batteries are easily recycled resulting in no lead waste in our landfills.
    2. Lead acid batteries are unlikely to be used in electric cars anyway. They are, in fact, not even used in today's Hybrids excepting the one battery that is used to start the internal combustion engine.
    Reply to this comment
    by canchoecho March 20, 2009 1:40 PM EDT
    Vehicle natural gas and propane conversions seemed to work for a while, never caught on, what makes the electric vehicle any different.
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    by canchoecho March 20, 2009 1:36 PM EDT
    Seems like another losing pipe dream/scam. Why do we need is more battery lead waste to contend with, caustic acid from batteries, more soil cantamination from illegal dumps and processing companies. We just never learn.
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    by bennfranklin March 19, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
    Another problem I see it the weight of the battery behind the rear seat. Batteries can be pretty heavy and a head-on collision, or near head-on would not be the best place.

    Go with gravity. Put a flat battery that slides under under the trunk in the rear like a drawer. It would be easiest to slide in, even with a hand truck or hand fork lift type of device, opening up opportunities for millions of small "ma & pa" garages to act as battery stations.

    So it doesn't take 3 minutes, but 10 or 15, at some garages, not a big price to pay for universal acceptance, even for cross-country trips.
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    by bennfranklin March 19, 2009 5:55 PM EDT
    The Key to this idea is replaceable batteries. It has got to be the way to go. Every camper knows this when they go to fill up their 40 gallon Propane tank. It would be a good idea to have a standardized battery sizes that would make it competitive, so different battery companies can compete. Like we have C, D, AA, etc.

    Don't like the idea of having to put the battery in from underneath the car. There should be a more off-the-shelf equipment method like using hand or powered forlifts, which would open up more opportunities for stations with minimal capital, that could later work up to automated equipment. Keep it simple as possible.

    I like the idea of a charging station with its own wind turbine, solar panels, or hydro-power station, but there should be exceptions made for shoestring operations of independent station owners.

    If the market works, people will naturally go to the alternative energy sources.
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    by daffy64 March 19, 2009 9:11 AM EDT
    2010 - Chevy Volt for me. Enough of this gasoline c.rap. The vast majority of trips I make are under 40 miles round trip - and the Chevy Volt will use NO gas for under 40 miles under a full charge.

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    Yeah but then I won't get your money.
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    by cs4466 March 19, 2009 1:41 AM EDT
    Electric cars. a liberal global warming hoax!

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    Listen to this man! He's patriotic.

    There's an endless supply of oil waiting to be bought. I would encourage every American to buy a Hummer and drive as much as possible.
    Posted by daffy64 at 1:36 PM : Mar 18, 2009

    Yea, Zgomer is well known as well.... a gomer.
    Reply to this comment
    by cs4466 March 19, 2009 1:41 AM EDT
    2010 - Chevy Volt for me. Enough of this gasoline c.rap. The vast majority of trips I make are under 40 miles round trip - and the Chevy Volt will use NO gas for under 40 miles under a full charge.
    Reply to this comment
    by daffy64 March 18, 2009 4:36 PM EDT
    Electric cars. a liberal global warming hoax!

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    Listen to this man! He's patriotic.

    There's an endless supply of oil waiting to be bought. I would encourage every American to buy a Hummer and drive as much as possible.
    Reply to this comment
    by daffy64 March 18, 2009 4:34 PM EDT
    Getting energy from coal, while that needs changing, still has less impact on the environment than gasoline does.

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    Yeah, but then where will Canada, Venezuala, and Saudi Arabia get their money from?
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    by daffy64 March 18, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
    Dear USA. Please don't start using electric cars. The Canadian economy depends on your money. We're your largest supplier of oil.

    Keep the cash flowing over the border.
    Reply to this comment
    by ibzjem March 18, 2009 11:58 AM EDT
    If we had plug in hybrids now, the current electrical grid would support 70% of us charging them overnight. At night the demand is very low compared to day and the current infrastructure could handle most vehicles. Getting energy from coal, while that needs changing, still has less impact on the environment than gasoline does. Hydrogen fuel cells is still a dangling carrot. This has been going on for more than a decade and still no plans for releasing cars to the public. Infrastructure is a problem, but then so is the lack of infrastructure for high speed trains and other mass transit ideas that could ease road congestion and reduce pollutants. Cross country shipping should be done by train, not tractor-trailer.
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    by kansas1946 March 18, 2009 12:42 AM EDT
    Sounds great to me. I hope he keeps going and we get a reasonably priced electric car. I refuse to pay over ten thousand dollars for a car and usually pay around 8,000. I just find a car that is a couple of years old without all of the bells and whistles. It will be the day when I am too lazy to roll up my own windows or push the lock down on my doors. Besides all of that stuff is super expensive to fix when it breaks. I like standard transmissions too, better gas mileage and much cheaper to work on. The only thing I really enjoy is power steering, so I am a little lazy. :o)
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    by perk235 March 17, 2009 9:04 PM EDT
    No. Better Place has stated that it will use only electricity generated by green tech: wind and solar.
    Posted by poguenyt at 6:15 PM : Mar 16, 2009
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    This has to be the Joke of the day.
    Posted by dmw1167 at 7:16 AM : Mar 17, 2009
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    Pickens thinks its real funny--he'll be laughing all the way to the bank.
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    by sjc_1 March 17, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
    Silicon Valley 1990s and people were driving EV1s, RAV4EVs and other electric vehicles and charging them at the inductive charging stations while they were shopping. This is nothing new, we just failed to stay the course.
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    by delfmast March 17, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
    GM can build a Plug In & Out diesel/CNG fueled hybrid truck, sized to meet the needs of 80,000,000 working Americans, in any of their closed truck factories, now. Or they can let foreign manufacturers get the concept right, first, and introduce the World Truck Hybrid, while GM goes out of business. Working Americans must have them, now, at $60K to $120K, or more, for the heavier, longer range models. None of us can haul our crews, tools, machinery, generators, and two thousand concrete blocks, in the silly fly weight Plug In only electrics that are now the flavor of the day. The few hundred thousand of those and the fuel/electric mini cars ever sold will allow our cadre of millionaire extremist environmentalists to make statements on greening America, while our GDP does not get built, serviced, or delivered, when OPEC's terror financiers tighten the tap, next time. Working truck owners can save 30 to 60 percent of our liquid transport fuels, this decade, or replace them with bio-fuels, or US CNG fuels, now, if we can buy GM's World Truck hybrids, using present technology batteries, and charging from the grid at off peak electric rates, and charging to the grid, or to our spare battery pod trailers, during peak electric rate hours, to pay for our investment in a million mile GM truck that lets us live off grid, farm all electric, and cut OPEC's terror financiers off at the knees. The rest of the world's workers need the same vehicles, now, to power their family compound, or village when the truck is not on the highway, and to use the locally produced bio-diesel that American farmers and co-ops will use to leave the grid entirely, except when we sell the grid our power, at bonus rates. GM must reclaim it's ownership of the productive worker's vehicle market, or turn out the lights, as the last GM worker starves out of Detroit.
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