Octuplets Mom Said To Nix Free Care Offer

Gloria Allred, Lawyer For Group That Offered To Care For All 14 Of Her Kids, Says The Mom Said No

(CBS)  The mother of the octuplets born a month ago has rejected a group's offer to care for all 14 of her children round-the-clock, for free, and in one home, according to the attorney representing the group.

"She did not accept our offer," Gloria Allred told co-anchor Harry Smith on The Early Show Friday. " ... There would have been no burden on the taxpayers. Instead now, it may be that the taxpayers are going to have to foot the bill for all of this."

Angels in Waiting was estimating that such care would cost $130,000 a month.

Angels in Waiting, Allred told Smith, has "wonderful pediatric intensive care nurses who are very experienced in dealing with medically fragile, at-risk infants. They would have provided 24/7 care, along with developmental specialists, early intervention professionals, and wraparound services for an individualized care for all of these babies."

Allred filed a complaint with the Los Angeles County Department of Child and Family Services, asking that it look into whether, as Allred put it, "the babies would be endangered if they were in the care and custody of Nadya."

Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman points out that Suleman "reportedly told TV's Dr. Phil McGraw she's worried about custody. Dr. Phil told the Los Angeles Times, 'unless and until she has a better living arrangement, they are not likely to release the children to her.'

"Kaiser Permanente wouldn't confirm that," Kauffman continued, "but, on Thursday, they did provide an update on the octuplets' health." According to the statement, all are off intravenous feeding and breathing fine.

[ReginaFilangee]

"Her love for her existing kids should have been the thing that stopped her from having more. Her love and concern for her existing kids should have been stronger than her obsession to have more."---posted by meredith44

BRAVO and STANDING OVATION!!!!!

[ReginaFilangee]

Oh, and I am not "angry" at Nadya....I'm disgusted by her. Big difference.

[ReginaFilangee]

"It is very obvious that she is very in touch with the Bible and her faith."

Many of her actions would indicate otherwise, however.

Nadya's own words and actions are merely serving to even further solidify the mounting evidence that she is not capable of psychologically, physically, or financially providing any type of decent home life for these children where they can even survive without permanent damage, least of all one where they can thrive and flourish. She is mentally disturbed in a serious way. In addition, she has a HISTORY of postpartum depression as well as suicidal tendencies. No one can "drive" anyone else to suicide. It's something that comes from WITHIN oneself. Just because she is emotionally fragile doesn't mean she gets a free pass for showing such despicable disregard for the sanctity of life.

I don't think foster care is the answer....because that system is broken. There's only one answer when one puts what's best for the children as the first and foremost concern.

I can't even make myself care anymore whether or not Nadya receives treatment for her mental illness....since she has repeatedly shunned all attempts for anyone to help her in that capacity. All I care about is that those tiny lives who are already suffering (at the hand of their own mother, no less!!) be rescued from her custody and placed into homes where they can experience what true parental love is.
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Perhaps THAT is what is God's will....and what could be referenced by saying, "God will never give you more than you can handle."

It's Nadya's children that MY heart goes out to....I've long given up on Nadya, since she keeps showing that she doesn't want to help herself.

[meredith44]

starrbabywyant you are WAY out of line...

You are misled..there are plenty of Christian mothers who are AGAINST what Nayda has done. I am one of them. I love the Lord and I love children. You, like many Nayda supporters are confusing the real issues, hiding behind religion and her so called "love" for children.

People are angry and while its not right to call her names or wish her harm, I believe that folks do have the right to be angry/disappointed in a system that would allow a woman to believe that she can profit from something like this. The same mentallity that allows others to live off of welfare and recieve a free ride for most of thier life is the same mentality we see being played out in Nayda. Like I said in another post of mine, she may not be getting traditional welfare, but her mentality is the same. And for your information, the same people that can see through what Nayda is doing are the same people that ARE tired of the sort of people that purposefully live off the system. So your suggestion that we look at others is mute, because we are tired of ALL those that dont feel they should have to pull their own weight in this society. Welfare was meant to be a temporary thing, but sadly many have made it a way of life. People like that upset me, just as Nayda upsets me... we have not singled her out.

And please dont bring up Jon and Kate plus 8, or the Duggars in Arkansas. I live in Arkansas and believe me, there are folks in this state who ARE NOT fond of their choices. And I am NOT a fan of Jon and Kate plus 8, BUT in both of those situations you have two people that were self sufficient with or without the TV shows. Therin lies the difference. Nayda has not been self sufficient for years and at 33 depends on someone else to keep a roof over her head, so she had no business taking that money and selfishly using it to have more children. And please, for goodness sake, STOP going on and on about everything she did being justified by the fact that she loves children. Her so called love is actually an obsession that has clouded her judgement. Her love for her existing kids should have been the thing that stopped her from having more. Her love and concern for her existing kids should have been stronger than her obsession to have more. She either loves kids or loves "having them". or being pregnant. It seems to me that she loves being pregnant or she would not have continued to seek fertility treatments to give her what she already had...6 beautiful children to love.

I dont feel she should have had an abortion, I feel she should never have gotten pregnant again in the first place.

Sometimes the very thing you think you are doing out of love can be the very thing that harms those you claim to love. But you are so busy hiding behind religion that you cant see that. Please stop explaining away her behavior by attempting to quote the Bible or what you think God wants. If she was so "in tune with the Bible and her faith" then she probably should have stayed married and then had all of those kids, or at least married their daddy. According to Angela Suleman, the kids daddy wanted to marry her but Nayda refused, stating that she wanted to do everything on her own. Everything except pay her own bills and feed and clothe them that is...

(And I am not trying to make a negative comment towards single parents and how being married is being in tune with the Bible, I was just making a point about how hypocritical it is to justify Nayda's behavior as being in tune with the Bible and her faith when she has done so many other things that are in direct contrast to its teachings.)

Nayda behavior is almost like those who have compulsive behaviors of hording animals or clutter. They claim to love animals and they feel they do what they do in order to protect them. They take in stray after stray, convinced that their love for the animals will save them. They want to give them a home and take them off of the streets, but before long the home the have given them is overrun with so many animals they cant possbily meet the needs of them all and the place becomes a health hazzard to the very animals they were trying to save and "love". Those that are obsessed with this often are forced to give up the animals and some are charged with abuse.
Now I am not saying I hope Nayda will have her kids taken away. I for one am hoping that she starts making the right decisions to be able to keep her kids, but when you here about some of the decisions she is making its hard to feel that she should keep them. It would be heartbreaking for any mother to lose custody of her kids, but she needs to start making the decisions to support that she can keep them
Give her help for the kids...YES, but allow her to profit from thier birth..NO NO and NO! That would be rewarding her for her irresponsiblity and reinforceing her obsession for attention and hording behavior.

[starrbabywyant]

If you have so much hatred, take it out on the illegals that are here on welfare and I mean every bit of welfare they can get like food stamps, cash assistance, medi-cal, section 8 housing and don't forget the wonderful WIC program. Ok go after those people. maybe you all rationalize she is just so horrible for loving children and not wanting to destroy true human lifes. It is very obvious that she is very in touch with the Bible and her faith. Which as a country that is supposedly under God, I can't say that I see that here. You all should be ashamed of yourselves ! I don't see anything wrong with her except for the fact that she is very puzzled and scared of being in the spot light and wondering how to keep her faith, when the nation has turned on her because of her following the law of the lord! I challenge all of you to just pick up your Bible and read where it says.. "God will never give you more than you can handle" and.... "If he brought you to it, He will bring you through it" All children are gifts from God and should be treated accordingly! They are blessings. It is not an awful thing to want to have 7 or 8 children, Her ONLY mistake was the timing. You Nor I or anyone else for that matter have the right to tell someone when to stop having children. I can tell that she has an enormous amount of love for children and parenting her children. The only thing that I would say to her is, Why didn't she just wait til she was done with her schooling first and save more money and then have the procedure done again but it didnt happen that way and it is a very good thing that she has the very strong faith that she has and is able to pull through this entire mess you guys are all putting her through on top of all she is having to think about and go through already. Its a miracle you people have not driven her to suicide. You people are cruel and the things you say are absolutely crazy and you people are the ones who truly need to be evaluated and I would absolutely trust my children with Nadya before I would let anyone of you overly angry and cruel name0 calling people near my kids. I work hard everyday. I am an Rph and I am not complaining about allowing for my tax dollars to help her and her children. I am not defined by Greed and we should all as a nation under GOD (If we can still say that) help eachother and those in need, and that is how to be a better country! And just also keep this in mind. The media is not just outside your door exploiting you and if they were I am sure you would not look to good either. The media has a way with doing that to even the most innocent of people. Let this poor woman enjoy what she loves and that is her children and that IS what is the most Important thing that you can give a child. Putting them in a foster home and taking these children and seperating them is just not the solution. They are not going to get the TRUE love from a foster family ( that is very rare) Look at the statistics on children and adults who are and were raised in foster homes and just see what kind of direction their lives have taken as foster kids! They belong with their Mother unless she fails, but you guys are just not even giving her a chance and if anyone is making her go crazy or seem unstable, I seriously doubt it is her children that are the cause of that . I can bet that it is the Media and everything that comes with it and that is what is causing her to appear unstable. I think I would too. Not knowing what to say or how to phrase her words that can possibly be twisted and taken completely the wrong way that it was meant to be portrayed. All I ask is that this country stick together and come united and help this mother out and let her mind be free to take care of her precious babies. You guys have to realize that she does not need this extra stress she does need all of her energy to care for her brand new babies and dont take these special moments away from her. This is her bonding time with her babies and she does not need to deal with all of this. Not to mention that it could be very likely that she could get or may already be experiencing post partum depression that takes place after giving birth and can make someone suicidal and I sure hope Nobody wants that to happen or wants that on their shoulders. I am sorry if this was extremely long but my heart truly goes out to her and her family. and I think that enough is enough and its time to let her be. It is not our place to judge her or to get involved like that in a bad way as long as her children are eating and growing and going to school and happy and not abused physically, sexually and emotionally than we just need to BUTT OUT!! I am truly sorry if I have offended anyone . I just am a woman who believes what she believes and who shares the same faith as she does and I do not for a second think she deserves this. I want peace within our nation. PLEASE!!!!

[ReginaFilangee]

Apparently, she's now trying to sell the video (only about 5 minutes long, shot by a friend with her consent) of the births for seven figures.....sheesh!!!! When she thought of the clumps of cells in the petri dish, she didn't see "her children".....she saw dollar signs in her eyes.

[andie52]

Octo-Mom Daily Diary: "Since When Is It A Crime To Call 911?"

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/03/octomom-daily-diary-since-when-is-it-a-crime-to-call-911.php

[ReginaFilangee]

First of all, you've got that backwards. The offer was on the table first.

Second of all, if Nadya cannot provide a (safe and sanitary) roof over her children's heads, healthy food, clothing, emotional and physical care, AND individualized attention for them all, but especially the ones with disabilities......then she should do the most loving thing any mother CAN do: put them up for adoption by a family who can give them those basic necessities of life when she is unable to do so herself.

The AIW offer would have been a way for her to avoid that. IF she were mentally stable enough, there would be no threat of them ever taking her children. It's because she's NOT mentally stable that she had a very real concern that her children would be removed from her custody once they observed her up close and personally 24/7. (Note: The AIW have no authority to do that, but their testimony would carry a lot of weight with CPS.)

Again, if Nadya were sane, she'd have nothing to worry about by accepting the generous offer of this group. (The fact she turned it down could, in fact, be construed as evidence against her.)

[lilathe]

If a total stranger had called CPS on you and tried to have your children taken away from you without ever having even met you or your children.................... would YOU take her up on her offer to "take complete care of YOUR children?"
I think anything would be better than taking this nut up on her offer.

[andie52]

ET online has some new videos

They give great insight into her dysfunctional personality and mental issues. She has one that says she is receiving counseling that I didn?t watch so I don?t know what kind of counseling she is receiving. But I feel this is just a band aid to make it seem that she will be capable of taking care of her children and the preemies.

If she didn?t authorize the ?begging? web site then I?d like to know where the donations are going. If you observe the children it?s not hard to tell that they are craving attention and must be very stressed out living in that small house crowded with expensive toys.

I don?t put much stock in what Nadya says since she has proven herself to be a fabricator and manipulator. . She is obviously addicted to the being in the limelight and I don?t see that ending until the publicity stops. If ever.
You can see the video interview here:

http://www.etonline.com/

Click on ?Continue reading...for the rest of them

[alice414]

As much as I think the mother is out of her mind turning down the offer from Angels in Waiting, The most important thing is the care of those babies and her other 6 children. The mother hasn't shown much responsibility. Where would she be without her mother an father's help. I think worst comes to worst, all 14 should be taken from the mother.

[mdalerwill]

The hospital bill alone with bill in the thousands aside fro everything else she expresses no concerns about any of it.
Posted by andie52 at 10:58 AM : Mar 2, 2009

You are being way too optimistic. Depending on how long the babies are there, estimates range from $1.5 to 3 MILLION. And Kaiser is planning to bill the State of California (Medi-Cal), but the laugh will be on Kaiser (or rather on people with Kaiser health plans?). The State hasn't been honoring Medi-Cal invoices.

[andie52]

She is still upset that her father went on Oprah without her and she has stated on that Oprah is her idol and she still wants to meet her . All she wants from Oprah is a chance at getting a bigger payoff then she is getting on Dr. Phil .

I have seen her website and frankly it disturbs me that people might donate money via that site with no restrictions as to how it is spent..

In today?s economy with so many people out of work, losing their homes and trying to take care of their families there she is having more babies with no thought or regard to their future, having her nails done and drinking Starbucks coffee(which by the way, many people cant even afford to drink anymore)
The hospital bill alone with bill in the thousands aside fro everything else she expresses no concerns about any of it.

[mdalerwill]

The Christian in me does not agree with bashing her and I agree that none of us are perfect, but that does not mean that her pattern of behavior should be ignored lest it repeat itself.
Posted by meredith44 at 9:31 AM : Mar 2, 2009

While I can understand people getting upset at some of the name-calling and suggestions that Nadya be sterilized, it is also important that people speak up and not continue to enable this behavior in her or anyone else.

[meredith44]

To all Nayda supporters, you have to realize that its time out for feeling sorry for her. Its crunch time, she either has got to show and prove in a matter of days that she can care for those kids. Isnt she about to lose her home in a few days?

this bothers me as a mom and as a christian. The Christian in me does not agree with bashing her and I agree that none of us are perfect, but that does not mean that her pattern of behavior should be ignored lest it repeat itself. Nayda is not dealing with this situation the way a stable person would, therefore he kids ARE at risk.

She may not be on "traditional" forms of welfare, but she does have a welfare mentality. In that she believes she can have as many kids as she wants while she figures out a way to get others to foot the bill. That is no different than some of the women who live in the projects who do the same thing. What she has done is just a glorified version of that same racket.

No way should she be allowed to write a book about parenting. As far as I am concerned she has not done any parenting, let her mom tell it Angela Suleman, Nayda has not helped with the bills and all she does is play with them and buy toys..that is not parenting. having a bunch of kids does not make you a parenting expert. Behaveing in a responsible way for the best interest of your kinds is good parenting. From what we have seen,Nayda has NOT done that. By attempting to have even one more child, she has placed everyones wellbeing in jepordey. (forgive my spelling, I am typing fast)

The best interest of the kids is what people should be concerned about, not how Nayda feels. any decision that is made, should be based on that. If Nayda is making decisions based on future endorsements or opportunities, then the authorities should move in quickly. If she cant make the best decision for those kids, then somebody else WILL do it for her.

[mdalerwill]

She appears to be a loving, attentive Mom.
Posted by realnews12 at 8:51 PM : Feb 28, 2009

Kind of hard to be attentive to one's children when on bed rest because of yet another pregnancy...and another....and another. Angela Suleman has spendtmore hours raising the children than Nadya has, which may be why Nadya doesn't realize how much work it is raising the 6 she already had, let alone 14, most of whom will proabably be special needs children.

[meredith44]

ok so let me get this straight.

Its sounds like that some of you are saying that Ms Suleman turned down the offer for care from Angels in Waiting because they would not let her bring cameras in at some point? She turned down the offer of free care for the kids she is supposed to love more than anything, just because she could not get some camera time out of it? Are you serious..please tell me this is not true!!!

Just when I was starting to warm up to her plight...just when I was hoping that maybe the media was making more of a mess of this than it really was, she goes and does this! If this isnt proof that she does not have the kids best interest in mind, then I dont know what is!

She just made it easier for the state to make a case for taking those kids away from her. They could do it based on medical neglect.

She justifys it by saying that she doesnt want "strangers" caring for her kids. But what does she think the "volunteers" that she will let come into to her home will be? At least the strangers at the Angels in Waiting facility will be TRAINED MEDICAL PERSONNEL!! The strangers that Nayda picks may or may not know how to handle babies, much less preemies..it will be a toss up. Plus too many different people around newborns is not healthy. Not everyone washes their hands when necessary etc... When my preemie was born, part of my discharge plan was to have a nurse come by everyday for a few hours to make sure I was handling things correctly with the equipment and everything that the baby needed, making sure I was feeding her and attempting to breastfeed her correctly and just for morale support. And that was just for one baby... how is nayda going to get that sort of care from people off the street for eight preemies!!

At first I was wondering if Gloria Allred was not revealing the real offer on the table from Angels in Waiting, and possibly that was why Nayda had not responded. I found out that Angels in Waiting is an organization that helpes medically unstable babies get healthy in order to be adopted. So I was thinking that maybe Nayda was not accepting the offer because it meant she would have to place her kids up for adoption, a condition that Gloria Allred was not making publically known. If that were the case, then I would understand why a mother would not take the offer because she would not want to be bullied into putting her kids up for adoption, so I started to slightly change my opinion and began to feel some empathy for Ms Suleman. Plus Gloira Allred's reputation, while famous, has not always been one of integrity in my opinion. But it doesnt seem that way at all according to this article. It seems like the offer may have been on the up and up, but Nayda refused based on her own need to control things and turn it into a reality show for her own glory.

This is beyond bad! Kids do not need to be on a reality show, she needs to stop trying to place her children in front of a camera. A reality show may make her a lot of money but it is not in the best interest of the kids. How can she say she feels the public interest in her is "sickiining" but at the same time seek out this type of media attention?

I was always taught that beggars cant be choosey. If you have no clothes to wear, you cant complain about the color of pants that were donated to you. Nayda has NO PLAN to take care of her kids, so she had no business turing down this offer. The way I understood the offer, they would have all been together (all 14 plus Nayda and her mom) they would have gotten round the clock care, plus counsleing and support for all involved. Yes the other six would have been uprooted but when nayda decided to bring 8 more kids home with her, she should have know that her other six children would have to endure some sort of change to thier daily routine. No way is thier life going to remain the same after this. Besides even if Nayda finds them another home on her own, they would still have to be uprooted at some point to move there, so none of her explanations of why she did not take that offer make sense or hold any kind of credibility.

Somebody or something needs to intervene with the quickness!!

[andie52]

Psychiatrist Carole Lieberman has filed a complaint against the octuplet mom for her "inability to properly care for her 14 children," urging the DCFS/CPS to step in and take action before the newborn octuplets are taken home from the hospital by Suleman.

http://www.etonline.com//documents/et_nsuleman_papers_090217.pdf

[jvon27]

why don't all of you that want her children tooken away from her. why not take your children down to human service's that will be the best thing for them.

[ReginaFilangee]

Doesn't surprise me at all, andie. She has a long history of changing the "truth" to suit herself at the moment. She's also shown that she's very adept at figuring out what she's "supposed" to say after she gets some backlash from saying something entirely different first. She did a lot of that during the Dr. Phil interview.....but it was very fake, and you could tell she didn't believe most of what she was "agreeing" with him about. She's not a very good actress, but you can tell she's trying to be!

It never occurred to her on her own that a reality show would be "exploitation of her kids".....she was told to say that as damage control once it got out that that was what she had planned.