9/11 Widow Among Plane Crash Victims

Beverly Eckert, Whose Husband Died In Towers, Was Traveling To Commemorate His Birthday

(AP)  One of the victims of Continental Flight 3407, Beverly Eckert, was a Sept. 11 widow who put her never-ending grief to good use to make the country safer.

Just last week, Eckert was at the White House with Barack Obama, part of a meeting the president had with relatives of those killed in the 2001 attacks and the bombing of the USS Cole to discuss how the new administration would handle terror suspects.

CBS News correspondent Michelle Miller reports that Mr. Obama remembered her today.

"She was an inspiration to me and to so many others. I pray her family can find peace and comfort," the president said.

"She was such an important part of all of our work," said Mary Fetchet, another 9/11 family activist. She learned Eckert was aboard the plane from another close Eckert family friend now headed to Buffalo. Officials investigating the crash have not yet confirmed she was on board the plane.

Eckert, who was flying to Buffalo to celebrate what would have been her husband Sean Rooney's 58th birthday, was one of the most visible, tearful faces in the aftermath of the terror attacks.

She carried that grief to Congress as she tried to make the government do a better job protecting its citizens from terrorism.

Her husband worked at Aon Corp., a risk management firm, at the 98th floor of the World Trade Center's south tower.

She cried when she would tell the story about how her husband - who was her high school sweetheart - called her on the morning of the attacks, and told her he loved her just before there was a loud explosion and nothing more.

Eckert was part of a small group of Sept. 11 widows, mothers, and children who became amateur lobbyists, ultimately forcing lawmakers in 2004 to pass sweeping reforms of the U.S. intelligence apparatus.

They spent months walking the halls of Congress. All of the women were grieving, but Eckert seemed unable or uninterested in holding back her tears.

When it was over and they'd won passage of the intelligence reform law, Eckert vowed to quit her high-profile role "cold turkey." All she wanted, she said, was to go home, buy groceries, and return to something like a regular life.

"I did all of this for Sean's memory, I did it for him," she said, crying again. "There is a euphoria in knowing that we reached the top of the hill. ... I just wanted Sean to come home from work. Maybe now, someone else's Sean will get to come home."

Eckert was flying to her hometown Thursday night when the plane crashed on approach to the Buffalo airport.

Sixty-one-year old Douglas Wielinski was killed inside his home, reports Miller. His wife and daughter narrowly escaped. Friday night, a somber community gathered at local church to remember their neighbor and those lost on Flight 3407.

Other Known Crash Victims Of Flight 3407:

These names have been provided by airline officials, relatives or friends.

Crew members:

(CBS)

Rebecca Shaw, at left, first officer, of Maple Valley, Wash. Shaw was just 24 years old, yet she'd logged more than 2,200 hours, reports Miller.

"She absolutely loved to fly," said Lyn Morris.

Shaw graduated in 2002 from Tahoma High School, where she was active in volleyball, softball and student leadership, district spokesman Kevin Patterson said. She attended Big Bend Community College before transferring to Central Washington University in Ellensburg. She graduated in 2007 with a degree in flight technology, university spokeswoman Teri Olin said.

Capt. Marvin Renslow, pilot, of Lutz, Fla. In Florida, church member Alan Burner read a statement on behalf of Renslow's family, reports Miller. "They know that he did everything that he could to save as many lives as he could," the statement read.

Matilda Quintero, flight attendant.

Donna Prisco, flight attendant.

Capt. Joseph Zuffoletto, off-duty crew member.

Passengers:

(CBS)

Alison Des Forges, at left, of Buffalo, was senior adviser for Human Rights Watch's Africa division. Considered one of the world's leading experts on the genocide in Rwanda, Des Forges testified at 11 trials at the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda as an expert witness. She was named a MacArthur Fellow in 1999.

Des Forges was returning home to Buffalo after a trip to Europe, where she briefed diplomats on the situation in Rwanda and Africa's Great Lakes region, said Emma Daly, spokeswoman for Human Rights Watch. She sent an e-mail to colleagues from the airport before boarding the plane.

"She was working till the end," Daly said.

Des Forges had a "tremendous commitment to human rights and her tremendous principles," Daly said.

(CBS)

Ellyce Kausner, at left, student at Florida Coastal School of Law.

Miller reports she was flying home from Florida to visit her brother Chris, who described the emotional phone call he had to make to his parents.

"I heard my mother make a noise on the phone I have never heard before," Chris Kausener said.

Her sister, Laura Kausner, said Ellyce was flying home to be her nephew's date at a kindergarten Valentine's Day party on Friday.

(AP Photo/Danny Nadeau)

Maddy Loftus, 24, at left, of Parsippany, New Jersey, was headed to Buffalo for a reunion of the Buffalo State women's ice hockey team she played for in 2002 and 2003, said Jeff Ventura, the school's sports information director.

Loftus' 22-year-old brother, Frankie Loftus, said his sister never worried about flying because their father was a pilot for Continental. He said he dropped her off at the airport Thursday.

"She was an amazing person. She loved to make everyone happy," he said. "Everyone who met her loved her instantly."

Loftus transferred to St. Mary's University in Minnesota after her sophomore year, Ventura said.

(AP Photo/Princeton University)

Lorin Maurer, 30, (pictured at left with boyfriend Kevin Kuwick) had worked raising money at Princeton University for its athletics department.

"We are heartbroken that someone so young and full of life could be taken from us so suddenly," Brian McDonald, the vice president of development at Princeton, said in a statement released by the university.

Maurer was traveling to New York to meet the family of her boyfriend, Kevin Kuwick, an assistant basketball coach at Butler University, The Buffalo News reported.

Maurer, who grew up in Sinking Spring, Pennsylvania, was a champion swimmer at Rowan University in Glassboro, New Jersey, where she graduated in 2001. She received a master's degree from the University of Florida.

(CBS)

Coleman Mellett, pictured at left.

An accomplished jazz guitarist, Mellett was a touring member of trumpeter Chuck Mangione's band for the last several years. The group was scheduled to perform Friday night at the Kleinhans Music Hall with the Buffalo Philharmonic.

Mellett grew up near Washington, D.C., and moved to New Jersey to study at William Paterson University, according to his MySpace profile. After graduating he moved to New York and earned a master's degree at the Manhattan School of Music in 1998.

Mellett, 33, lived in East Brunswick, N.J., with his wife, singer Jeanie Bryson, according to the Star-Ledger of Newark.

Gerry Niewood, saxophonist and member of jazz musician Chuck Mangione's band.

Mary Pettys, of West Seneca, N.Y. She was heading home after a business trip for her job as a software director for an insurance firm.

Jean Srnecz, of Clinton, N.J. Senior vice president of merchandising at Charlotte, N.C.-based Baker and Taylor.

Susan Wehle, of Amherst, N.Y. Was cantor at Temple Beth Am in Williamsville.

Clay Yarber, of Riverside, Calif., member of several Tampa Bay, Fla.-area bands over the past several decades.

Ron Gonzalez, of New Brunswick, N.J., director of a youth services program.

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by harbinger09 February 16, 2009 7:14 AM EST

"CRUEL IRONY: Man is killed when a plane deliberately targeted and crashed into the building where he works killing thousands and everyone on board the plane...Years later, the 9/11 victim''''''''s widow is killed, when a plane she is on accidentally crashes into a building, killing another person and all on board the plane. What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?" Posted by harbinger09
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If the death of a loved one and the subsequent grief is considered worthy of elevating a person''''s death to a special status, then I suggest that the other 49 people who died directly or indirectly in this terrible accident are also special. Everyone has lost loved ones and everyone carries their grief in a special place in their heart.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 05:34 PM : Feb 13, 2009


My comment had nothing to do with the "specialness" of any of the deaths--just a comment on one of the deaths. I am not a person who turns invasions into heroism or says victims are heroes--I am also not a person to deliver celebrity, or special status to humans just because it is politically correct. I would have commented on the ironic nature of more of the deaths, had a comparison been highlighted. None were given, so there was no irony.

And FYI--Irony is not a conveyance of any kind of speciality in fact irony--means that things happen in an odd coincidence that are usually not laudable or nice at all--hardly a "special attribute" give it a rest.

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by andie52 February 14, 2009 12:17 PM EST

Are you defending Bush?

All the other planes were icing. This is the only one that went down.

With a person on board who was suing the government for 9/11, and another person who was an expert on the Rwanda genocide.

Just a coincidence?


Posted by rm090213 at 08:42 AM : Feb 14, 2009

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I%u2019m not defending anyone there is still the issue of pilot error or malfunction of the planes deicing equipment. I would go there before thinking it was a conspiracy to kill these people.

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by mavnomore February 14, 2009 11:56 AM EST

Statistically Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans (well, according to the Democrats they are).

Try telling that to our children when they become debt slaves to the trillions of dollars of debt from bailouts on top of the trillions of dollars of debt from the war on terrorism.

and tell that to our grandchildren, and their children, and .....


Posted by rm090213

Obviously it''s all the Demos fault...

From: Eliot''s Mess

by Greg Palast


Since the Bush regime came to power, a new species of loan became the norm, the (sub-prime) mortgage and its variants including loans with teeny (introductory) interest rates. From out of nowhere, a company called Countrywide became America%u2019s top mortgage lender, accounting for one in five home loans, a large chunk of these (sub-prime.)

cont

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by mavnomore February 14, 2009 11:54 AM EST

cont

Now, what kind of American is (sub-prime.) Guess. No peeking. Here%u2019s a hint: 73% of HIGH INCOME Black and Hispanic borrowers were given sub-prime loans versus 17% of similar-income Whites. Dark-skinned borrowers aren%u2019t stupid, they had no choice, they were (steered) as it%u2019s called in the mortgage sharking business.

Steering, sub-prime loans with usurious kickers, fake inducements to over-borrow, called fraudulent conveyance or predatory lending under US law, were almost completely forbidden in the olden days (Clinton Administration and earlier) by federal regulators and state laws as nothing more than fancy loan-sharking.

But when the Bush regime took over, Countrywide and its banking brethren were told to party hearty, it was OK now to steer%u2019m, fake%u2019m, charge%u2019m and take%u2019m.

Instead of regulating the banks that had run amok, Bush%u2019s regulators went on the warpath against states attempting to stop predatory practices. Making an unprecedented use of the legal power of federal pre-emption, Bush-bots ordered the states to NOT enforce their consumer protection laws.

cont

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by mavnomore February 14, 2009 11:53 AM EST

cont

- And it is a fact that statistically Democrats are better for the economy:

Real middle class wage growth is double when a Democrat is president compared to when a Republican is president.

Source: Larry M. Bartels professor of politics and public affairs at Princeton University, one of the country''s leading political scientists.

Countless millions of Americans vote Republican because they believe they''ll pay less taxes and that they''ll have their money spent more responsibly. Those beliefs are directly contradicted by the facts.

Of course they don''t believe in facts...

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by rm090213 February 14, 2009 11:42 AM EST

How many times are you gong to post this ridiculous conspiracy theory? It%u2019s an insult to the people who died and to her.
Posted by andie52 at 08:35 AM : Feb 14, 2009

Are you defending Bush?

All the other planes were icing. This is the only one that went down.

With a person on board who was suing the government for 9/11, and another person who was an expert on the Rwanda genocide.

Just a coincidence?

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by andie52 February 14, 2009 11:35 AM EST

WHO disabled the deicers?

There should be a FULL investigation, with compelled testimony under oath, WHEREVER IT LEADS.

I will supply a list of names. People you''''''''ve never heard of. People with THE FACTS.

It would be more interesting than you think.

Posted by rm090213 at 08:17 AM : Feb 14, 2009


------

How many times are you gong to post this ridiculous conspiracy theory? It%u2019s an insult to the people who died and to her.

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by rm090213 February 14, 2009 11:17 AM EST

WHO disabled the deicers?

There should be a FULL investigation, with compelled testimony under oath, WHEREVER IT LEADS.

I will supply a list of names. People you''''ve never heard of. People with THE FACTS.

It would be more interesting than you think.

Reply to this comment

by rm090213 February 14, 2009 11:15 AM EST

Statistically airline travel is by far the safest form of travel. Now, try telling that to the the Eckert family.
Posted by endrepubs at 02:01 AM : Feb 14, 2009

Statistically Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans (well, according to the Democrats they are).

Try telling that to our children when they become debt slaves to the trillions of dollars of debt from bailouts on top of the trillions of dollars of debt from the war on terrorism.

and tell that to our grandchildren, and their children, and .....

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by endrepubs February 14, 2009 5:01 AM EST

Statistically airline travel is by far the safest form of travel. Now, try telling that to the the Eckert family.

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by mavnomore February 14, 2009 12:35 AM EST

Hypocrisy 101

Then:
Glenn Beck: You know, it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims'' families. It took me about a year. Um, and I had such compassion for them and I really, you know, I wanted to help them, and I was behind -- let''s give them money, let''s get them started, and all of this stuff. And I really didn''t -- all the 3,000 victims'' families, I don''t hate all of them, I hate about, probably about ten of them. But when I see 9/11 victim family, you know, on television, or whatever, I''m just like, ''Oh, shut up.'' I''m so sick of them. Because they''re always complaining. And we did our best for them. And again, it''s only about ten.

Now:
Glenn Beck, on his Fox show this afternoon, did a really lovely encomium to Beverly Eckert, the 9/11 widow who was a victim of that horrible plane crash outside Buffalo yesterday. In fact, like most Beck productions, it was downright maudlin. But we had to applaud certain sentiments, such as when he lauded Eckert for her post-9/11 activism:

Beck: After the attacks, she became a vocal activist for families of 9/11 victims. She pushed for the 9/11 Commission. She demanded answers from the government, and helped win the passage of the Intelligence Reform law.

And of course, Beck looked very, very sincere delivering this.

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by rm090213 February 13, 2009 10:56 PM EST

WHO disabled the deicers?

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by donevis-2009 February 13, 2009 10:55 PM EST

Well here we go people, a statement From Beverly. RIP

My Silence Cannot Be Bought
USA Today - Friday, December 19, 2003

I''''ve chosen to go to court rather than accept a payoff from the 9/11 victims compensation fund. Instead, I want to know what went so wrong with our intelligence and security systems that a band of religious fanatics was able to turn four U.S passenger jets into an enemy force, attack our cities and kill 3,000 civilians with terrifying ease. I want to know why two 110-story skyscrapers collapsed in less than two hours and why escape and rescue options were so limited.

I am suing because unlike other investigative avenues, including congressional hearings and the 9/11 commission, my lawsuit requires all testimony be given under oath and fully uses powers to compel evidence.

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by cattiej February 13, 2009 10:02 PM EST

to the comment about and this is news, because?
BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT LIKE YOU ARE !

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by rhs648 February 13, 2009 9:22 PM EST

"CRUEL IRONY: Man is killed when a plane deliberately targeted and crashed into the building where he works killing thousands and everyone on board the plane...Years later, the 9/11 victim''''''''s widow is killed, when a plane she is on accidentally crashes into a building, killing another person and all on board the plane. What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?" Posted by harbinger09
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If the death of a loved one and the subsequent grief is considered worthy of elevating a person''''s death to a special status, then I suggest that the other 49 people who died directly or indirectly in this terrible accident are also special. Everyone has lost loved ones and everyone carries their grief in a special place in their heart.


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Posted by barbaraf4

All of the people who died were special. In this case, what sets it apart is that her husband had been killed in an incident also involving an airplane. This is especially sad for her family and loved ones. Is anyone really suggesting that the widow''s death is more important than the rest of those who died in this crash?

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by rhs648 February 13, 2009 9:16 PM EST

and this is news because.......????


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Posted by byrdh5n1

It is news because so many people died. These people had loved ones who will grieve and never see their loved ones again. Why be so cold hearted?

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by andie52 February 13, 2009 9:15 PM EST

In the memory of this poor woman, I think there should be a full investigation to determine who might have had a motive to disable the deicers on her plane.

All testimony under oath, and any person can be compelled to testify.

I can supply a list of names to be interviewed.



Posted by rm090213 at 05:02 PM : Feb 13, 2009

-----------------------------------------------

I%u2019m sure that her family would appreciate you posting conspiracy theories that are baseless.

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by rm090213 February 13, 2009 8:54 PM EST

WHO disabled the deicers?

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by rm090213 February 13, 2009 8:39 PM EST

What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?
Posted by harbinger09 at 04:52 PM : Feb 13, 2009

Now, see. That''s the kind of post that got deleted earlier today.

You''re toddling too close to an "inconvenient truth."

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by barbaraf4 February 13, 2009 8:34 PM EST

"CRUEL IRONY: Man is killed when a plane deliberately targeted and crashed into the building where he works killing thousands and everyone on board the plane...Years later, the 9/11 victim''''s widow is killed, when a plane she is on accidentally crashes into a building, killing another person and all on board the plane. What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?" Posted by harbinger09
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If the death of a loved one and the subsequent grief is considered worthy of elevating a person''s death to a special status, then I suggest that the other 49 people who died directly or indirectly in this terrible accident are also special. Everyone has lost loved ones and everyone carries their grief in a special place in their heart.

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[harbinger09]

"CRUEL IRONY: Man is killed when a plane deliberately targeted and crashed into the building where he works killing thousands and everyone on board the plane...Years later, the 9/11 victim''''''''s widow is killed, when a plane she is on accidentally crashes into a building, killing another person and all on board the plane. What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?" Posted by harbinger09
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If the death of a loved one and the subsequent grief is considered worthy of elevating a person''''s death to a special status, then I suggest that the other 49 people who died directly or indirectly in this terrible accident are also special. Everyone has lost loved ones and everyone carries their grief in a special place in their heart.

Posted by barbaraf4 at 05:34 PM : Feb 13, 2009


My comment had nothing to do with the "specialness" of any of the deaths--just a comment on one of the deaths. I am not a person who turns invasions into heroism or says victims are heroes--I am also not a person to deliver celebrity, or special status to humans just because it is politically correct. I would have commented on the ironic nature of more of the deaths, had a comparison been highlighted. None were given, so there was no irony.

And FYI--Irony is not a conveyance of any kind of speciality in fact irony--means that things happen in an odd coincidence that are usually not laudable or nice at all--hardly a "special attribute" give it a rest.

[andie52]

Are you defending Bush?

All the other planes were icing. This is the only one that went down.

With a person on board who was suing the government for 9/11, and another person who was an expert on the Rwanda genocide.

Just a coincidence?


Posted by rm090213 at 08:42 AM : Feb 14, 2009

-----------------------------


I%u2019m not defending anyone there is still the issue of pilot error or malfunction of the planes deicing equipment. I would go there before thinking it was a conspiracy to kill these people.

[mavnomore]

Statistically Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans (well, according to the Democrats they are).

Try telling that to our children when they become debt slaves to the trillions of dollars of debt from bailouts on top of the trillions of dollars of debt from the war on terrorism.

and tell that to our grandchildren, and their children, and .....


Posted by rm090213

Obviously it''s all the Demos fault...

From: Eliot''s Mess

by Greg Palast


Since the Bush regime came to power, a new species of loan became the norm, the (sub-prime) mortgage and its variants including loans with teeny (introductory) interest rates. From out of nowhere, a company called Countrywide became America%u2019s top mortgage lender, accounting for one in five home loans, a large chunk of these (sub-prime.)

cont

[mavnomore]

cont

Now, what kind of American is (sub-prime.) Guess. No peeking. Here%u2019s a hint: 73% of HIGH INCOME Black and Hispanic borrowers were given sub-prime loans versus 17% of similar-income Whites. Dark-skinned borrowers aren%u2019t stupid, they had no choice, they were (steered) as it%u2019s called in the mortgage sharking business.

Steering, sub-prime loans with usurious kickers, fake inducements to over-borrow, called fraudulent conveyance or predatory lending under US law, were almost completely forbidden in the olden days (Clinton Administration and earlier) by federal regulators and state laws as nothing more than fancy loan-sharking.

But when the Bush regime took over, Countrywide and its banking brethren were told to party hearty, it was OK now to steer%u2019m, fake%u2019m, charge%u2019m and take%u2019m.

Instead of regulating the banks that had run amok, Bush%u2019s regulators went on the warpath against states attempting to stop predatory practices. Making an unprecedented use of the legal power of federal pre-emption, Bush-bots ordered the states to NOT enforce their consumer protection laws.

cont

[mavnomore]

cont

- And it is a fact that statistically Democrats are better for the economy:

Real middle class wage growth is double when a Democrat is president compared to when a Republican is president.

Source: Larry M. Bartels professor of politics and public affairs at Princeton University, one of the country''s leading political scientists.

Countless millions of Americans vote Republican because they believe they''ll pay less taxes and that they''ll have their money spent more responsibly. Those beliefs are directly contradicted by the facts.

Of course they don''t believe in facts...

[rm090213]

How many times are you gong to post this ridiculous conspiracy theory? It%u2019s an insult to the people who died and to her.
Posted by andie52 at 08:35 AM : Feb 14, 2009

Are you defending Bush?

All the other planes were icing. This is the only one that went down.

With a person on board who was suing the government for 9/11, and another person who was an expert on the Rwanda genocide.

Just a coincidence?

[andie52]

WHO disabled the deicers?

There should be a FULL investigation, with compelled testimony under oath, WHEREVER IT LEADS.

I will supply a list of names. People you''''''''ve never heard of. People with THE FACTS.

It would be more interesting than you think.

Posted by rm090213 at 08:17 AM : Feb 14, 2009


------

How many times are you gong to post this ridiculous conspiracy theory? It%u2019s an insult to the people who died and to her.

[rm090213]

WHO disabled the deicers?

There should be a FULL investigation, with compelled testimony under oath, WHEREVER IT LEADS.

I will supply a list of names. People you''''ve never heard of. People with THE FACTS.

It would be more interesting than you think.

[rm090213]

Statistically airline travel is by far the safest form of travel. Now, try telling that to the the Eckert family.
Posted by endrepubs at 02:01 AM : Feb 14, 2009

Statistically Democrats are better for the economy than Republicans (well, according to the Democrats they are).

Try telling that to our children when they become debt slaves to the trillions of dollars of debt from bailouts on top of the trillions of dollars of debt from the war on terrorism.

and tell that to our grandchildren, and their children, and .....

[endrepubs]

Statistically airline travel is by far the safest form of travel. Now, try telling that to the the Eckert family.

[mavnomore]

Hypocrisy 101

Then:
Glenn Beck: You know, it took me about a year to start hating the 9/11 victims'' families. It took me about a year. Um, and I had such compassion for them and I really, you know, I wanted to help them, and I was behind -- let''s give them money, let''s get them started, and all of this stuff. And I really didn''t -- all the 3,000 victims'' families, I don''t hate all of them, I hate about, probably about ten of them. But when I see 9/11 victim family, you know, on television, or whatever, I''m just like, ''Oh, shut up.'' I''m so sick of them. Because they''re always complaining. And we did our best for them. And again, it''s only about ten.

Now:
Glenn Beck, on his Fox show this afternoon, did a really lovely encomium to Beverly Eckert, the 9/11 widow who was a victim of that horrible plane crash outside Buffalo yesterday. In fact, like most Beck productions, it was downright maudlin. But we had to applaud certain sentiments, such as when he lauded Eckert for her post-9/11 activism:

Beck: After the attacks, she became a vocal activist for families of 9/11 victims. She pushed for the 9/11 Commission. She demanded answers from the government, and helped win the passage of the Intelligence Reform law.

And of course, Beck looked very, very sincere delivering this.

[rm090213]

WHO disabled the deicers?

[donevis-2009]

Well here we go people, a statement From Beverly. RIP

My Silence Cannot Be Bought
USA Today - Friday, December 19, 2003

I''''ve chosen to go to court rather than accept a payoff from the 9/11 victims compensation fund. Instead, I want to know what went so wrong with our intelligence and security systems that a band of religious fanatics was able to turn four U.S passenger jets into an enemy force, attack our cities and kill 3,000 civilians with terrifying ease. I want to know why two 110-story skyscrapers collapsed in less than two hours and why escape and rescue options were so limited.

I am suing because unlike other investigative avenues, including congressional hearings and the 9/11 commission, my lawsuit requires all testimony be given under oath and fully uses powers to compel evidence.

[cattiej]

to the comment about and this is news, because?
BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE IS AN IDIOT LIKE YOU ARE !

[rhs648]

"CRUEL IRONY: Man is killed when a plane deliberately targeted and crashed into the building where he works killing thousands and everyone on board the plane...Years later, the 9/11 victim''''''''s widow is killed, when a plane she is on accidentally crashes into a building, killing another person and all on board the plane. What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?" Posted by harbinger09
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If the death of a loved one and the subsequent grief is considered worthy of elevating a person''''s death to a special status, then I suggest that the other 49 people who died directly or indirectly in this terrible accident are also special. Everyone has lost loved ones and everyone carries their grief in a special place in their heart.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by barbaraf4

All of the people who died were special. In this case, what sets it apart is that her husband had been killed in an incident also involving an airplane. This is especially sad for her family and loved ones. Is anyone really suggesting that the widow''s death is more important than the rest of those who died in this crash?

[rhs648]

and this is news because.......????


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Posted by byrdh5n1

It is news because so many people died. These people had loved ones who will grieve and never see their loved ones again. Why be so cold hearted?

[andie52]

In the memory of this poor woman, I think there should be a full investigation to determine who might have had a motive to disable the deicers on her plane.

All testimony under oath, and any person can be compelled to testify.

I can supply a list of names to be interviewed.



Posted by rm090213 at 05:02 PM : Feb 13, 2009

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I%u2019m sure that her family would appreciate you posting conspiracy theories that are baseless.

[rm090213]

WHO disabled the deicers?

[rm090213]

What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?
Posted by harbinger09 at 04:52 PM : Feb 13, 2009

Now, see. That''s the kind of post that got deleted earlier today.

You''re toddling too close to an "inconvenient truth."

[barbaraf4]

"CRUEL IRONY: Man is killed when a plane deliberately targeted and crashed into the building where he works killing thousands and everyone on board the plane...Years later, the 9/11 victim''''s widow is killed, when a plane she is on accidentally crashes into a building, killing another person and all on board the plane. What are the chances of such a horrible coincidence?" Posted by harbinger09
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If the death of a loved one and the subsequent grief is considered worthy of elevating a person''s death to a special status, then I suggest that the other 49 people who died directly or indirectly in this terrible accident are also special. Everyone has lost loved ones and everyone carries their grief in a special place in their heart.