Time Running Out For A Two-State Solution?

60 Minutes: Growing Number Of Israelis, Palestinians Say Two-State Solution Is No Longer Possible

(CBS)  Apartheid? Israel is building what it calls a security wall between the West Bank and Israel to stop suicide bombers. The Palestinians are furious because it appropriates eight percent of the West Bank. Not only that. It weaves its way through Palestinian farms, separating farmers from their land. They have to wait at gates for soldiers to let them in. Settlers get a lot more water than Palestinians, which is why settlements are green and Arab areas are not.

Moderate Israelis who deplore the occupation used to believe passionately in a two-state solution. That is no longer the case.

Meron Benvenisti used to be deputy mayor of Jerusalem. He told Simon the prospects of the two-state solution becoming a reality are "nil."

"The geopolitical condition that’s been created in '67 is irreversible. Cannot be changed. You cannot unscramble that egg," he explained.

Asked if this means the settlers have won, Benvenisti told Simon, "Yes."

"And the settlers will remain forever and ever?" Simon asked.

"I don't know forever and ever, but they will remain and will flourish," Benvenisti said.

"The settlers, the attitude that I present here, this is the heart. This is the pulse. This is the past, present, and future of the Jewish state," Daniella Weiss told Simon.

She says the she and the settlers are immovable. "We will stay here forever."

But one very important Israeli says she intends to move them out. She's Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, a candidate to become prime minister in elections next month. She's also Israel’s chief negotiator with the Palestinians, and she told 60 Minutes peace is unthinkable with the settlers where they are.

"Can you really imagine evacuating the tens of thousands of settlers who say they will not leave?" Simon asked.

"It's not going to be easy. But this is the only solution," she replied.

"But you know that there are settlers who say, 'We will fight. We will not leave. We will fight,'" Simon asked.

"So this is the responsibility of the government and police to stop them. As simple as that. Israel is a state of law and order," Livni said.

[Gordon_80]

Its about time someone told the other story. there are always two stories, both must always be told to find the truth.

[Gordon_80]

Its about time someone told the other story. there are always two stories, both must always be told to find the truth.

[compromisepeople]

Most people equate supporting Israel to Liberal Media bias, but I think that any American who supported Bush's efforts spread Democracy in the Middle East should support Israel, the only Democratic country there, to lead by example. No, they are not perfect, but they are the only country with women's rights, human rights, and even gay rights and we should help them defend that. The only solution is to follow through with Bush's Road Map to peace in which there is a two-state solution allowing the Palestinians Gaza and the West Bank, with Jerusalem as a neutral international city. The Palestinians will have to recognize Israel as a Jewish state and the Israelis will have to recognize Palestine's right to exist as a state. Livni would have continued this process.

[waynemcl]

Thanks for your courage broadcasting a more balanced article than usual media. What you report is similar to what I saw in the West Bank when I visited in May. No doubt you are receiving a virulent response from pro-Israeli media manipulators. That itself may be worthy of an article.

[elliek3]

Bravo to Bob Simon and 60 Minutes for an honest look at the prospects for peace in the Middle East! They told a side of the story that U.S. audiences are almost never allowed to hear. Don''t let the right-wingers silence you! Peace in the Middle East is too important to the entire planet to let only the Israeli side of the story be heard. The Palestinians also have their story, and it is just as compelling as the Israelis''. As our mothers taught all of us, two wrongs never make a right. The Holocaust was wrong and so was al-Nakba, the catastrophe. The Palestinians desperately need Israel and the U.S. to acknowledge their right to exist and live in peace.

[wolfgangwils]

In 30 years when the Palestinian birthrate kicks in and the star of David morphs into a swastika in order to subdue that imbalance, perhaps then, the American government will finally recognize the Israeli settlers and government for the hateful and violent entities they truly are, and step back and let them reap what they have sown

[cbsnanajune]

Mr. Foxman thinks Bob Simon''s reporting of actual facts in Israel''s occupation of the West Bank is "anti-Israel." But it is not the reporting that is "anti-Israel;" it is the facts on the ground. You know Israel is committing war crimes when they won''t allow reporters into Gaza. I am really tired of this constant censorship by Israel, trying to cover up the horrific nature of the reality of life under Israeli occupation.
Be true to journalistic ethics; keep on reporting the truth. And tell Foxman to fix the reality if he doesn''t want it to look "anti-Israel."

[peteskitoo]

BBC has just reported that Israel has been hiding information about massive illegal settlement building activity entitled "Israel ''hides settlements data''"
It goes on to say that "The Israeli defence ministry has concealed information about the extent of illegal settlement-building in the West Bank, a leading [Israeli] newspaper reports."

(see http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7861076.stm)

This is exactly the kind of thing that Bob Simon''s report shows.

[robinwolfe-2009]

Thanks to Bob Simon for getting this story together. It''s the first time I''ve seen anything like it on "mainstream" media in the US. I don''t know what happened to loosen things up so we could start getting some perspective on the Israel/Palestine situation, but I''m glad for it.
I''m a retired Presbyterian pastor who has traveled in Israel and the West Bank. What I saw and heard in Simon''s presentation is congruent with what I saw and heard while there.
I trust some follow up will be forthcoming.

[rklapholz]

Might I also add that American politicians and Israelis had once extended their hands to Hamas, as they did Osama bin Laden, and Saddam, but when their hand extension no longer serves their policies and pretext, they cut it off and brand that person terrorist. I am not saying any of the aforementioned are peaceful samaritans, but we involve our governments in dirty politics and then scream when it backfires. Study history, and not the one polluting our textbooks. Might I also add that terrorism comes in many forms, is Israel not terrorizing innocent Palestinians and American terrorizing peoples in other foreign lands? Lastly, according to international law, the occupier and even the aggressor must show responsibility. If we place Israel on a pedestal as the true democracy, then I have not witnessed it abide by any international law, treaty or agreement. Disproportionate response on an innocent population and use of chemical weapons are war crimes. Collective punishment is an absolute war crime. Do not blame the oppressed. Furthermore, Jews throughout Israel and the world who speak out against the Israeli government are persecuted and imprisoned. Dare we speak out against our own government in a democratice country. Dare we have a different stance. Plenty of orthodox and moderate Jews stand against the State of Israel and its dehumanizing policies.

[rklapholz]

Anyone who claims this to be biased is scared to accept the truth. Denial and the inability to self-criticize. How else do you explain checkpoints? Occupying people''s lands and homes? Shooting children who simply throw rocks in resistance to the occupation that terrorizes their daily liberties? Building a wall to imprison an entire population of people? Breaking the cease fire, and then lying to place blame on Hamas? How do you defend the illegal settlements? The use of chemical weapons on the most densely populated area in the world, and expect white phosphorous to not burn through the flesh of innocent children? No, to call this biased and to be in denial and shut your eyes to reality, is ignorant, crude, destructive, and irresponsibile. Let us hear more stories, and let the world be the judge. All we get is American support of Israel with every politician claiming unwavering support of illegal settlements and crime, and all in the name of some war against terrorism. The war on terrorism has no face and is against a non-state actor. You cannot occupy, humiliate, and cause havoc and expect no retaliation. Truly educate yourselves with an open heart and mind.

[robinwolfe-2009]

Thanks to Bob Simon for getting this story together. It''s the first time I''ve seen anything like it on "mainstream" media in the US. I don''t know what happened to loosen things up so we could start getting some perspective on the Israel/Palestine situation, but I''m glad for it.
I''m a retired Presbyterian pastor who has traveled in Israel and the West Bank. What I saw and heard in Simon''s presentation is congruent with what I saw and heard while there.
I trust some follow up will be forthcoming.

[jlannert]

My husband and I were really impressed that CBS would provide, finally, information on the OTHER side of the Palestinian problem, i.e., the terrible conditions under which the Palestinians live. Most Jews in this country do NOT ever see this part - yet it''s important to solving the problem that they do.
Joyce Lannert

[jlannert]

My husband and I were really impressed that CBS would provide, finally, information on the OTHER side of the Palestinian problem, i.e., the terrible conditions under which the Palestinians live. Most Jews in this country do NOT ever see this part - yet it''s important to solving the problem that they do.
Joyce Lannert

[rklapholz]

The last administration and the state of Israel have won the hearts of plenty of vulnerable and terrified Americans--with their terror scares and code red--to justify disproportionate war tactics. The people are resisting illegal occupation and prefer to not wage "terrorism." Enough already...no one is buying it. Again, dear Mr. Bob Simon, I respect you and your admirable work. Thank you so much. I speak as a human being and I thank you as one too. I have no political, economical ties; all I want is peace. It can be had when the occupier (colonizer) stops with the divide and conquer tactics and lets people live in true freedom and democracy. Let people rebuild their lives in decency. Thank you, Mr. Bob Simon. If I am going off on tangents, it is because I am utterly disgusted by the wave of events that stem from 1948 and the mess of politicians and campaign financing and lobbying involved. You have done your part, Mr. Simon, and I applaud you with the greatest admiration and love. May peace reign supreme for ALL people.

[rklapholz]

Seriously, you have done well airing this and I am a huge fan of you and CBS as a result. For anyone who says this piece is biased, has it wrong, you cannot make up the Israeli terror and humiliating checkpoints Palestinians face on a daily basis. Open your eyes for the sake of humanity. Stop perpetual hate, racism, classism, propaganda, and yes, an apartheid and holocaust. Never again. Enough already. We will be judged one day for how we treat others as citizens of humanity. Stop the divisions. No one is buying into this War on Terrorism any more. Resistance does not equate to terrorism.

[rklapholz]

Mr. Bob Simon, you are beautiful. Thank you so much and to any brave supporters at CBS that decided to air this piece. Media has become an education tool for so many Americans, who may not take the time otherwise to explore or research an issue. This piece provides firsthand accounts and interviews from the land of Israel and its occupied territories of Gaza and the West Bank. We need more stories like this to provoke dialogue, questions, and consideration.

[lawpo65]

There are two disturbing aspects of the Bob Simon Report: 1) the timing; 2) the one sidedness of of the reporting. Airing this segment in juxtaposition to the recent Gaza fighting, gives comfort to those who ignore terrorism and focus only on the Israeli response. The segment itself also fails to ever mention that the security measures taken by Israelis are largely in response to the brutality of Palestinean terrorism. The west bank settlements are an impediment to peace, but the Israelis have long ago offered to dismantle them if only the Palestineans would negotiate a lasting peace and prove that they can deliver the security the Israelis deserve. Again, this fails to receive any mention. Are the CBS producers so blind and ignorant of history that they don''[t remember that Palestineans practiced brutal terrorism long before there were settlements.

[lawpo65]

There are two disturbing aspects of the Bob Simon Report: 1) the timing; 2) the one sidedness of of the reporting. Airing this segment in juxtaposition to the recent Gaza fighting, gives comfort to those who ignore terrorism and focus only on the Israeli response. The segment itself also fails to ever mention that the security measures taken by Israelis are largely in response to the brutality of Palestinean terrorism. The west bank settlements are an impediment to peace, but the Israelis have long ago offered to dismantle them if only the Palestineans would negotiate a lasting peace and prove that they can deliver the security the Israelis deserve. Again, this fails to receive any mention. Are the CBS producers so blind and ignorant of history that they don''[t remember that Palestineans practiced brutal terrorism long before there were settlements.

[lawpo65]

There are two disturbing aspects of the Bob Simon Report: 1) the timing; 2) the one sidedness of of the reporting. Airing this segment in juxtaposition to the recent Gaza fighting, gives comfort to those who ignore terrorism and focus only on the Israeli response. The segment itself also fails to ever mention that the security measures taken by Israelis are largely in response to the brutality of Palestinean terrorism. The west bank settlements are an impediment to peace, but the Israelis have long ago offered to dismantle them if only the Palestineans would negotiate a lasting peace and prove that they can deliver the security the Israelis deserve. Again, this fails to receive any mention. Are the CBS producers so blind and ignorant of history that they don''[t remember that Palestineans practiced brutal terrorism long before there were settlements.