Obama: We Are Going To Close Gitmo

But Says No Decision Has Been Made On Prosecuting Bush Admin. Personnel Accused Of Torture

(CBS/AP)  On the seventh anniversary of the opening of the American military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where hundreds of detainees have been held for years without trial or even being charged with a crime, President-elect Barack Obama reiterated his promise to close the facility, although he could not promise it would be done quickly.

Obama, who has been receiving daily national security briefings since his election in November, acknowledged that his campaign pledge to close the prison at Guantanamo Bay will be more of a challenge than he anticipated. Many of those held at the military site are suspected terrorists or potential witnesses in cases against them.

"It is more difficult than I think a lot of people realize - and we are going to get it done - but part of the challenge that you have is that you have a bunch of folks that have been detained, many of whom may be very dangerous who have not been put on trial or have not gone through some adjudication," he said.

About 250 detainees are still held there.

Sunday marked the seventh anniversary of the first prisoners arriving at Guantanamo, which was set up after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, in order to house suspected terrorists without putting them under the auspices of the American judicial system.

But the Bush administration's attempt to repeal detainees' habeus corpus rights have been knocked down by the Supreme Court, and the taint of torture of some detainees has compromised the military tribunals which the administration has tried to push forth.

In the interview recorded Saturday and broadcast today on ABC's "This Week," Obama told host George Stephanopoulos, that "It is possible for us to keep the American people safe while still adhering to our core values and ideals, and that's what I intend to carry forward in my administration."

Obama would not say whether it could be achieved within the first 100 days of his term, citing the challenge of creating a balanced process "that adheres to rule of law, habeas corpus, basic principles of Anglo-American legal system, but doing it in a way that doesn't result in releasing people who are intent on blowing us up.

"I think it's going to take some time. And, you know, our legal teams are working in consultation with our national security apparatus, as we speak, to help design exactly what we need to do.

"But I don't want to be ambiguous about this. We are going to close Guantanamo and we are going to make sure that the procedures we set up are ones that abide by our Constitution. That is not only the right thing to do but it actually has to be part of our broader national security strategy, because we will send a message to the world that we are serious about our values."

Last week on Face The Nation, Vice President Dick Cheney said he was against closing Guantanamo and that he would, if asked, advise Obama to maintain the Bush administration's controversial interrogation policies and keep Guantanamo open.

"I would hope that for the sake of the nation, that this administration and future administrations will continue those policies," said Cheney, who also said he hoped Obama would not succumb to his "campaign rhetoric" of saying that an Obama administration would not torture.

In the ABC interview Obama said that Cheney continues to defend what he calls "extraordinary measures or procedures" when it comes to interrogations.

"From my view, waterboarding is torture," Obama said. "I have said that under my administration we will not torture."

However, Obama did not promise that his Justice Department would pursue any Bush administration officials who participated in or approved torture.

The Obama transition Web site Change.gov has solicited questions from the public to vote on to have the President-elect answer. The top vote-getter has been a question on whether Obama would appoint an independent special prosecutor "to investigate the greatest crimes of the Bush administration, including torture and warrantless wiretapping."

"We're still evaluating how we're going to approach the whole issue of interrogations, detentions, and so forth," Obama said. "And obviously we're going to be looking at past practices, and I don't believe that anybody is above the law.

"On the other hand I also have a belief that we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards. And part of my job is to make sure that, for example at the CIA, you've got extraordinarily talented people who are working very hard to keep Americans safe. I don't want them to suddenly feel like they've got to spend all their time looking over their shoulders and lawyering [up]."

"So, no [9/11-style] commission with independent subpoena power?" Stephanopoulos asked.

"We have not made final decisions, but my instinct is for us to focus on how do we make sure that moving forward we are doing the right thing. That doesn't mean that if somebody has blatantly broken the law, that they are above the law. But my orientation's going to be to move forward."

Meanwhile today, demonstrations in more than 35 countries marked the anniversary of Guantanamo's opening with calls on Obama to take clear steps toward closing down Guantanamo during his first 100 days in office.

(Left: Protesters in orange jumpsuits demonstrate outside the U.S. Embassy in London, Sunday. Jan. 11, 2009.)

Some 200-300 people demonstrated in Copenhagen, Denmark, local news agency Ritzau reported. Human rights group Amnesty International said protesters handed over a 21,500-name petition to the U.S. embassy demanding the closure of the complex.

Amnesty International said former Guantanamo detainee Murat Kurnaz participated in the protest. Kurnaz, a German-born Turkish citizen, was freed from Guantanamo in 2006 after a personal plea from German Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Last March Kurnaz told CBS' 60 Minutes that after being sold to American forces in Pakistan for a $3,000 bounty, he was imprisoned for five years in Afghanistan and later Guantanamo, during which time he was beaten, waterboarded and given electric shocks. Kurnaz was detained even though U.S. military intelligence knew in 2002 that he had no ties to terrorists.

In Madrid, around 100 demonstrators held a protest outside the U.S. embassy in the Spanish capital.

Outside London's U.S. embassy around 30 people gathered for a rally, protest organizer Aisha Maniar said. Ex-Guantanamo Bay detainee Omar Deghayes was taking part in the British protest, Maniar said.

Libyan-born Deghayes was released in December 2007, and earlier this month was one of eight former Guantanamo detainees who filed lawsuits against the British government claiming they were complicit in their illegal detention.

[edintex]

Gitmo should be closed on the FIRST day of O''s presidency. They should empty that terrible place out onto the streets of Sanfrancico California. Let THOSE bleeding hearts help those "poor, neglected & abused people".
I would love to be able to donate $ towards their passage to SF just to be nice & help out!!

[brianbwb-2009]

"...Further, Christians in CHina are not allowed worship in public, for fear of persecution."

You obviously have never been to China, I have done business there for the past twenty years. Although the vast majority are Buddhist (a religion, btw) some of the most ornate buildings are Christian churches. What is forbidden is public proselytizing,
as the Chinese know that trying to "convert" people can create enmity, and they don''t need almost two billion people at each other''s throats over their version of religion.

"That is no ''''myth''''; that is a fact, a fact that was once detailed on this news program."

Right, and this news program also told you Saddam had WMDs, and was buying yellowcake from Niger, and helped make you believe that 17 Saudis, one Bahrainian and one Qatari was the basis for invading Iraq and Afghanistan.

"...Finallly, I am not willing to take that chance with these men''''s lives.

C''mon, we know you couldn''t care less about these peoples lives, as evidenced by "Guantanamo Bay was good for all sides..." your own words.

"If they leave me alone, they can worship whatever Gos they choose. It''''s the radicals I don''''t care for that much, regardless of religion." Posted by tj217

Which contradicts your earlier attempt to help spread anti Semitic fear, "If we send them here, well, do you really want Muslims in your backyard?"

Bush got you good.

[brianbwb-2009]

tj, you have been suckered in by the agitprop, I have lived in south-east Asia for tewnty years, and I can tell you that the vast majority of Chinese Muslims live and worship in peace in China.

If people are "dealt with" in China, it has little to do with religion, and more to do with the need for China to keep a lid on all forms of destabilization, and some of those people who call themselves Muslims are only incidentally so, they take money from outside sources, and then get caught doing what they were set up to do.

Those who need repatriation from Guantanamo should by international law, be repatriated, as most were sold to the US military for a $3,000 bounty, they were not "terrorists".

The fear is in those who sold them, and rightly so, wouldn''t you wish to redress someone who did such to you? It just so happens that some of those are politicians, and other members of Iraq''s elite, and they are the ones afraid of revenge, which they brought it upon themselves. I have no sympathy for anyone who sells out their brethren for profit, be they pro, or anti US, or even US politicians selling out the lives of US soldiers for their profit.

Muslims in "the backyard"? Absolutely nothing wrong with that, it is no worse than having Christians, Jews, Buddhists, or atheists.

Don''t buy into Bush''s hate agitprop, it makes you even worse than the false image they have burned into your mind about Muslims.

[dan400man]

I voted Obama so that he would close Gitmo on January 20th! Why do we continue to stain our reputation with the world? Release these detainees NOW! Why are you continuing the Bush legacy, Obama? I thought we were done with illegal detentions with your presidency. There''s nothing to think about! Just release them or give them immediate trials!
(Sarcasm /off)
Apparently, if Obama''s not going to close Gitmo right away, there must be some national security issues. Amazing that the president has national security knowledge that no other politician has. Or is it all just politics? Nah, that''d never happen...
(Sarcasm /off again)

[brianbwb-2009]

"Last week on Face The Nation, Vice President *** Cheney said he was against closing Guantanamo and that he would, if asked, advise Obama to maintain the Bush administration''s controversial interrogation policies and keep Guantanamo open."

It is most likely that Mr. Cheney won''t be asked for his advice, he should instead be advised to start preparing his defense for the war crimes and treason trials.

[brianbwb-2009]

"So, no [9/11-style] commission with independent subpoena power?" Stephanopoulos asked.

"We have not made final decisions, but my instinct is for us to focus on how do we make sure that moving forward we are doing the right thing. That doesn''t mean that if somebody has blatantly broken the law, that they are above the law. But my orientation''s going to be to move forward."

Well Mr. President-elect, we can be sure of doing the right thing by holding those who planned, executed, profited from, carried out the orders of, and otherwise aided the war mongering that caused the treasonous acts, and the crimes against humanity, to re-establish the Constitution as the foundation for American law, and to make of them examples for future presidents who pursue war not as a means of defense of our land, but as a means of personal profit.

This would be seen by the entire world as doing the "right thing".

[brianbwb-2009]

"Thanks brian. I was hoping for an intellegent, on-topic response from james. Guess I won''''t hold my breath for that one." Posted by takebackusa

James is but one of a few people left who still believe in the Nazi philosophy of subjugation, or elimination of all who don''t share a common ethnic heritage as theirs.

These people are now so thoroughly repudiated that they are now afraid to assert their positions, as there is absolutely no logic, legal, ethical, or empirical, to support their position.

These are the same people who whine about PC speech, when it is they themselves who self censor, afraid of having now to deal with the logical consequence of their hate.

They whine and complain because the "good ol'' days" are no more, never to return.

[takebackusa]

Posted by brianbwb at 01:53 PM : Jan 12, 2009

Thanks brian. I was hoping for an intellegent, on-topic response from james. Guess I won''t hold my breath for that one.

[takebackusa]

again lochlan, how do you relate gitmo to a desert?


Posted by jamesm12341 at 01:48 PM : Jan 12, 2009

There you have it folks. Jimmyboy''s definition of staying on topic.

[brianbwb-2009]

Posted by takebackusa

In order to completely end the blemish, the military facility at Guantanamo Bay should be entirely closed, and the US military occupation of a sovereign state that is no credible threat to the US should finally be ended, and economic sanctions lifted.

As far as the concentration camp, it was known at the time that the Bush klan set it up there in hope to try the false assertion that because the victims were held outside US territory, that somehow US law, as well as international law did not apply, therefore they could commit any crimes against the victims, and somehow avoid liability for their actions.

The Nuremburg trials established, contrary to Bush''s position, that German concentration camps in Poland were, regardless of location, the responsibility of Hitler and his staff, as those victims were in German custody. The exact same principle applies in this case, the victims are in US custody, therefore it is Bush''s crime.

[takebackusa]

So, jimmyboy, tell us all. What is your opinion of Gitmo? Should it be closed to remove the blemish from America''s reputation or do you believe the prisoners should be held indefinitely without a trial?

[lochlan-2009]

jamesm12341

Get off your Mom. Your Dad''s coming home, and you know what happen the last time he caught you *** his b!!tch.

[lochlan-2009]

how am i wasting your time?


Posted by jamesm12341

Don''t you mean.
How am I wasting your time. Shift key not working?

[brianbwb-2009]

"...what does that have to do with takeback controlling his boyfriend?" Posted by jamesm12341

If your personal comprehension was a bit more evolved, you would realize that your attempt at insult is a tangential matter in relation to the main subject of your sentence, which was your request for an answer to the false choice posed, i.e., which version of the English phrase you submitted (ask a question, or axe a question) was a correct version, when both are clearly incorrect uses of what is considered formal English parlance.

[takebackusa]

what does that have to do with takeback controlling his boyfriend?


Posted by jamesm12341 at 01:28 PM : Jan 12, 2009

Have you ever noticed how when cornered, Republican''s always change the subject to h-o-m-o-s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y? Come out of the closet Jimmyboy. It''ll make you feel so much better about yourself.

[lochlan-2009]

Can''t we keep it for the Bush Regime the Republican party and the corrupt corporate elite. We''ll waterboard them every day and hook electrodes up to their privates for the rest of their lives, before breakfast and after supper, after all it''s not torture in their eyes. Consider it desert.

[brianbwb-2009]

Back to subject, the military facility at Guantanamo Bay should be entirely closed, and the US military occupation of a sovereign state that is no credible threat to the US should finally be ended, and economic sanctions lifted.

As far as the concentration camp, it is known that the Bush klan set it up there in hope to try the false assertion that because the victims were held outside US territory, that somehow US law, as well as international law did not apply, therefore they could commit any crimes against the victims, and somehow avoid liability for their actions.

The Nuremburg trials established, contrary to Bush''s position, that German concentration camps in Poland were the responsibility of the Germans, as those victims were in German custody. The exact same principle applies in this case, the victims are in US custody, therefore it is Bush''s crime.

[takebackusa]

have you posted anything about Gitmo? LOL!! Classic!! all you have posted is about my spelling. That your purpose in life?

Posted by jamesm12341 at 01:24 PM : Jan 12, 2009

Classic folks. This coming from someone who has NEVER posted anything about the topic on any board, but always about everyone else''s spelling. More projection Jimmyboy?

[brianbwb-2009]

"...I told you to quit controlling your boyfriend and let him answer..." Posted by jamesm12341

You request knowledge which has already been imparted, and in such a manner as to prove that you yourself are unaware of the correct answer.

Even more telling, after seeing the answer, but continuing to pose the question, demonstrate your own ignorance, which means the proclivity to intentionally disregard information.

[takebackusa]

I told you to quit controlling your boyfriend and let him answer


Posted by jamesm12341 at 01:19 PM : Jan 12, 2009

There you go projecting again Jimmyboy. You can look up projecting in any beginning psychology book. It means - placing your own self doubts about your own s-e-x-u-a-l-i-t-y onto others.