Obama's Stimulus Plan: The Energy Debate

CNET: There's Still Much To Sort Out On Washington's Clean-Tech Initiatives

(CNET)  Shortly after President-elect Barack Obama set a goal of doubling the country's renewable energy in three years, the jockeying over the energy portions of his administration's stimulus plan began.

At a speech at George Mason University on Thursday, Obama repeated his intention to promote the development of clean-technologies such as solar and wind energy, and to upgrade the electricity distribution system to enable smart-grid technologies. Obama said:

"To finally spark the creation of a clean-energy economy, we will double the production of alternative energy in the next three years. We will modernize more than 75 percent of federal buildings and improve the energy efficiency of 2 million American homes, saving consumers and taxpayers billions (of dollars) on our energy bills.

In the process, we will put Americans to work in new jobs that pay well and can't be outsourced--jobs building solar panels and wind turbines; constructing fuel-efficient cars and buildings; and developing the new energy technologies that will lead to even more jobs, more savings, and a cleaner, safer planet in the bargain."

In response to a query from The Wall Street Journal, an Obama transition aide said doubling renewable-energy production in the United States is possible through a combination of loan guarantees and, ultimately, a national renewable portfolio standard (RPS).

There are a number of state-level RPS policies mandating that utilities get a certain percentage of their electricity from renewable technologies; the targets in California have set off a race to build up solar-power plants there. During the campaign, Obama had advocated a national RPS at 10 percent by 2012 and 25 percent renewable energy by 2025.

Renewable energy from wind, solar, and geothermal is about 24,000 megawatts, according to the aide, which represents about 1 percent of all power generation in the country.

"By providing significant loan guarantees and ultimately, later down the road, a national (renewable portfolio standard), we are confident we will get the wind industry back on track. In addition to the 20,000+ megawatts of wind, we are confident that with the same combination of support and renewable standards, the geothermal and solar industries can install 4,000MW of new power," the aide told the Journal.

After his talk, members of Obama's economic team met with members of Congress, who voiced their concerns with the plan.

"Energy is way underrepresented here in the package that has been discussed," said Sen. Kent Conrad, according to a report at Energy and Environment Daily (subscription required).

That sentiment was echoed by Sen. John Kerry: "I'm very confident that some adjustments are going to be made...We positively--absolutely in my judgment--need to spend more on energy, and I made that point and will continue to make that point."

The entire stimulus plan put forth is structured so that 40 percent of the money comes from direct tax cuts, 40 percent from direct investments in initiatives such as efficiency, and 20 percent directed at states, according to reports.

Overall, renewable-energy companies are optimistic on the potential for policy changes under Obama. In response to Thursday's speech, the American Council on Renewable Energy said it is issuing a call to action to its 600 members to issue plans on how to double renewable energy output in the next three years.

The auto sector is also angling to secure loan guarantees and incentives to establish electric-car manufacturing in the United States, according to a report earlier this week in the Detroit News.

Advocates of underground storage of carbon at coal-fired power plants are also hoping to restart investment in the Department of Energy-sponsored FutureGen project.

[wardoglrs]

Stupid voters = stupid leaders
Obama is an idiot just another wrecking ball to the Nation.

[kevboom]

If Bush had had this kind of vision 8 years ago, we wouldn''t be in the mess we''re in now. $60 billion blown on his wars every six months would have paid for an unbelievable AMERICAN energy infrastructure instead of leaving us reliant on and funneling billions of dollars to middle eastern sources every month. I thank God for a man who stands up for the American people for a WELCOME CHANGE, instead of doing everything in his power to funnel money toward favored corporations to the long-term detriment of an impoverished nation. Good riddance to Bush and the idiotic followers that think he was God''s gift.

[CGSuddeath]

This bum''''s going to give the US a $60T deficit before he even gets in office
Posted by Eliphord

In response to this post:

It amazes me that your president George Bush put us in the debt that we are in and a lot economists agree with what Mr Obama is attempting and all you and your cronies who sit on the sidelines can do is criticize.
What a idiot!

[irmcvet971]

It amazes me that your president George Bush put us in the debt that we are in and a lot economists agree with what Mr Obama is attempting and all you and your cronies who sit on the sidelines can do is criticize.
What a idiot!

Posted by cgsuddeath at 03:18 PM : Jan 09, 2009

It is amazing how those who took a balanced budget and surplus, turned that into record deficits and record debt, those who said Deficits didn''t matter, have SUDDENLY decided that they do...of course AFTER they have BORROWED a Trillion Dollars to fund THEIR spending. LOL

[irmcvet971]

Stupid voters = stupid leaders
Obama is an idiot just another wrecking ball to the Nation.

Posted by WarDogLRS at 02:59 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Well dazzle us swastika breath!! You freaks sat by while George Bush ran us into this rut and all you can do now is call our NEW President names. Tell us what we should do, how do we change away from Trickle Down and save the nation from a depression?? SIEG HEIL Y''all. ROFLMAO

[irmcvet971]

It is absolutely critical that we break our dependence on imported energy. We can not survive sending more of our wealth to OTHER nations as we have been. I know we shouldn''t use the word IF but IF we listen to Jimmy Carter and do this in the 80''S we are so much better off today.

[irmcvet971]

This mess began a lot longer than 8 years ago, so that argument doesn''''t hold water. You and your partisanship lose.

Posted by Eliphord at 03:34 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Now YOU have to explain that one to me Sparky!! I KNOW for a FACT that before the Fascist Republican''s came to town we had REGULATIONS preventing Banks from doing what they did. I KNOW we had a Balanced Budget in 2000 and a Surplus. I KNOW Clinton had to shut down the Government to keep the SAME fascist Republican''s from busting that Budget. I KNOW that Bush made NO attempt and NEVER produced ONE Balanced Budget in 8 years. I KNOW that our standard of living FELL EVERY single year that the Republican''s ran things. Can YOU give us ONE MONTH, just ONE MONTH when "Trickle Down" and the Republican''s Economic Plan did NOT run us into the red?? We can NOT solve a problem when those who created it refuse to accept responsibility for it.

[irmcvet971]

This mess began a lot longer than 8 years ago, so that argument doesn''''t hold water. You and your partisanship lose.

Posted by Eliphord at 03:34 PM : Jan 09, 2009

I''m still waiting for an answer here swastika breath!! Dazzle us and give us a month or two when the Republican''s and their Economic Plan WAS NOT running us into debt!! We all KNOW what they had in 2000, it was a Balanced Budget and Surplus. Now IF the problems started before the Fuhrer took over you should be able to show us at LEAST one MONTH!! Sieg Heil Y''all.

[irmcvet971]

Wow, that''''s one big long lie. But whatever, keep living in your dream world. It must be nice to be so high.

Building a surplus on top of a house of cards doesn''''t count for anything son. Go back and tell them that at wikipedia.

Posted by Eliphord at 03:44 PM : Jan 09, 2009

What house of Cards? There WAS NO DEBATE from you fascist in 2000, Sir LIES-A-LOT ADMITTED it in the debates with GORE. Sorry you can''t NOW take it back. THE Budget WAS balanced and there WAS a surplus which Lies-A-Lot insisted HAD to be returned to the Tax Payers. Sieg Heil Y''all.

[patocc-2009]

Now YOU have to explain that one to me Sparky!! I KNOW for a FACT that before the Fascist Republican''''s came to town we had REGULATIONS preventing Banks from doing what they did. I KNOW we had a Balanced Budget in 2000 and a Surplus. I KNOW Clinton had to shut down the Government to keep the SAME fascist Republican''''s from busting that Budget. I KNOW that Bush made NO attempt and NEVER produced ONE Balanced Budget in 8 years. I KNOW that our standard of living FELL EVERY single year that the Republican''''s ran things. Can YOU give us ONE MONTH, just ONE MONTH when "Trickle Down" and the Republican''''s Economic Plan did NOT run us into the red?? We can NOT solve a problem when those who created it refuse to accept responsibility for it.
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I do not think you know what you think you know.

You obviously are clueless in what the deregulations that came democratic talking point in the election actually did. Plus you obviously have not recognized that those bills where heavily voted for on the democratic side of the aisle. Check out the US senate website or the clerks office for the H.R.

The surplus was caused by an economic boom when IT developed. Imagine that more people working more tax money coming in. More people making lots of money really alot more money coming into the government.

Government spending and trickle down economics are 2 seperate entities and should be treated so.

[irmcvet971]

There is NOTHING stimulating about Obama''''s package!

Posted by TheMasses100 at 03:45 PM : Jan 09, 2009


Well Dazzle us Swastika Breath. What do you and the Reich propose...other than the same tired old Trickle Down!! ROFLMAO What an IDIOT!!

[irmcvet971]

The surplus was caused by an economic boom when IT developed. Imagine that more people working more tax money coming in. More people making lots of money really alot more money coming into the government.

Government spending and trickle down economics are 2 seperate entities and should be treated so.

Posted by patocc at 03:49 PM : Jan 09, 2009


What ARE you talking about swastika breath?? The BUDGET WAS BALANCED and we had a SURPLUS. You fascist said you would use "Trickle Down" spend the surplus BUT you would keep the budget balanced. LOOK were we are. We went from a BALANCED BUDGET to RECORD DEBT in 8 years and YOU want to continue THAT insanity!! ROFLMAO Can YOU give us ONE month... Just ONE MONTH in all the years we''ve tried to make that insanity work that it has NOT ran this nation into the red?? Sieg Heil y''all

[irmcvet971]

You''''re the cowardly fa(g)got who says you''''re a Marine. What an azshole.

Posted by TheMasses100 at 03:50 PM : Jan 09, 20

Excuse me.. did I give you the impression I cared any at all about what you think of me?? If I did lets clear that up. I could give a rats behind what you think about me. The issue remains... You don''t like Obama''s plan, we KNOW Bush''s doesn''t work so Dazzle us... take that magic swastika of yours off in a corner and tell us how to get out of the hole the fascist republican''s have dug for us. Sieg Heil Y''all.

[irmcvet971]

The money your president Bush spent on the war is already less than what your president Obama will waste on "stimulus". Your argument still doesn''''t hold water son.

Posted by Eliphord at 03:50 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Stop changing the subject swastika breath... the War is ANOTHER Issue and one that ALL Presidents must ASSUME they will have to deal with. That has NOTHING to do with the fact that you can NOT give me ONE.. NOT ONE MONTH in all the years the fascist have been trying to make it work, that Trickle Down has NOT ran this nation into the red. NOT ONE MONTH!!

[irmcvet971]

Stop wasting peoples'''' time quoting wikipedia gluebottle!

Posted by Eliphord at 03:55 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Well swastika breath YOU can stop that... YOU said this all began before the fuhrer''s 8 years. I said the Budget was balanced when he came to power and PROVED it with Sir Lies-A-Lot''s OWN words... Now ALL you have to do is give us ONE MONTH when the fascist economic policy has NOT resulted in RED INK and we''re done. Sieg Heil Y''all.

[irmcvet971]

You''''re a puzzy punk-sissie

Posted by TheMasses100 at 03:51 PM : Jan 09, 2009

BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHA You have GOT to do better Sparky!!

[irmcvet971]

You brought it up dumbazz! I''''m just trying to keep up with your scatterbrain bushit fantasies, colostomy boy.

Posted by Eliphord at 03:58 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Look it either works or it doesn''t!! I can NOT find ONE month when it HAS... NOT ONE MONTH in all the years that the Republican Economic Plan has NOT run the nation in the red... not ONE MONTH when the American Standard of living has IMPROVED. We were NUMBER ONE in the world in our standard of living when we started this INSANE Trickle Down Garbage, today we are DEAD LAST among the G-7. Now IF there has BEEN no success, we MUST turn away from it!!

[rudy6543]

Look it either works or it doesn''''t!! I can NOT find ONE month when it HAS... NOT ONE MONTH in all the years that the Republican Economic Plan has NOT run the nation in the red... not ONE MONTH when the American Standard of living has IMPROVED. We were NUMBER ONE in the world in our standard of living when we started this INSANE Trickle Down Garbage, today we are DEAD LAST among the G-7. Now IF there has BEEN no success, we MUST turn away from it!!


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Posted by irmcvet971 at 04:01 PM

Well said. Their plan only words for crooks and extortionists. Not for the regular people.

[irmcvet971]

How about all the rest of you fascist out there who want to ignore the Will of the American People here... can ANY of you tell us ONE month when Trickle Down was NOT running this nation into the red? ONE month when the American Standard of living went UP?? ANYONE??

[irmcvet971]

Well said. Their plan only words for crooks and extortionists. Not for the regular people.

Posted by rudy6543 at 04:03 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Well I''m tired of it! WE the PEOPLE went to the polls and said in ONE LOUD VOICE that we wanted the course of this country turned around, turned back toward what we had BEFORE Trickle Down. These jerks come on here, showing more support for their Party than their country and they can''t show ANY, NONE, Na Da, success. It''s got to stop!!

[patocc-2009]

What ARE you talking about swastika breath?? The BUDGET WAS BALANCED and we had a SURPLUS. You fascist said you would use "Trickle Down" spend the surplus BUT you would keep the budget balanced. LOOK were we are. We went from a BALANCED BUDGET to RECORD DEBT in 8 years and YOU want to continue THAT insanity!! ROFLMAO Can YOU give us ONE month... Just ONE MONTH in all the years we''''ve tried to make that insanity work that it has NOT ran this nation into the red?? Sieg Heil y''''all

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Look here calling people swastika breath is just showing the leveling of intelligence that you have or do not have. Plain and simply question. Whats the difference in Trickle down econmics and government spending. I''m willing to bet that you think they are the same.

[blog_fever2]

What in the h3ll type of blog board is this? All you internet gangsters/tough guys need to get a real life. You look real dumb calling names and making corny statements on a blog post. You guys need a role model, or a hobby.

[starleo146]

Look it either works or it doesn''''''''t!! I can NOT find ONE month when it HAS... NOT ONE MONTH in all the years that the Republican Economic Plan has NOT run the nation in the red... not ONE MONTH when the American Standard of living has IMPROVED. We were NUMBER ONE in the world in our standard of living when we started this INSANE Trickle Down Garbage, today we are DEAD LAST among the G-7. Now IF there has BEEN no success, we MUST turn away from it!!


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Posted by irmcvet971 at 04:01 PM

Here is another reason the Bush spending administration has put us in the red:
Amid 300 Feet of Red Carpet, U.S. Unveils Biggest, Most Expensive Embassy Ever

By Tom A. Peter, Christian Science Monitor. Posted January 6, 2009.

The $592 million, 104-acre compound will house some 1,200 U.S. government employees from 14 federal agencies, indefinitely.

[irmcvet971]

Here is another reason the Bush spending administration has put us in the red:
Amid 300 Feet of Red Carpet, U.S. Unveils Biggest, Most Expensive Embassy Ever

By Tom A. Peter, Christian Science Monitor. Posted January 6, 2009.

The $592 million, 104-acre compound will house some 1,200 U.S. government employees from 14 federal agencies, indefinitely.

Posted by starleo14672 at 07:35 PM : Jan 09, 2009


Oh but keep in mind that while THAT was going on Bush and his pals were exporting MILLIONS of our jobs AND using OUR tax dollars to do it with... our BORROWED tax dollars!

[irmcvet971]

nLook here calling people swastika breath is just showing the leveling of intelligence that you have or do not have. Plain and simply question. Whats the difference in Trickle down econmics and government spending. I''''m willing to bet that you think they are the same.

Posted by patocc at 04:23 PM : Jan 09, 2009

What is it with you fascist and YOU are fascist by the way, what is it! YOU think you are so superior and know so much more than anyone else, yet YOU can''t give me ONE MONTH when "Trickle Down" was NOT putting this nation into debt? The Fascist Republican''s came to town with the SAME tired old LIE we''ve heard how many times. Hey everyone! You know the drill don''t you?? These FASCIST are going to Cut taxes to the rich, that will trickle down to YOU, they are then going to Cut Spending to PAY for those tax cuts and thus they will balance the budget! We''ve all heard it HOW many times?? Guess what Swastika Breath?? THEY NEVER DID IT. NOT ONCE, not for ONE month!! NOT ONCE did it work!!! Take that, your superior abilities and shove them right where the sun doesn''t shine!! Sieg Heil Bush!!

[irmcvet971]

WE need alternative energy ..but wasn''''t Obama the one who said he didn''''t want more Nuclear Power plants?

Spending, spending, spending..when does it end?

It ends when they bleed Americans dry.

Posted by peace4321 at 05:05 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Yep and WE the people agreed with him. Say have you fascist actually ever READ the document called the Constitution? You know the part that says WE the PEOPLE?? Well in case you had your head up the Grand Wizards behind, YOU LOST! The AMERICAN PEOPLE said about as LOUD as they can say it TODAY, that they want a change in course. THAT means Trickle Down, the Republican LIE, is NO MORE! Get over it and move on!!

[whitemale08]

The basic problem with using solar power as a source of electrical power is the low density of energy flux from the Sun. Measured in watts received per square meter of land area at the Earth''s surface, the yearly averaged solar flux varies across the United States from about 160 in New England to 240 in Albuquerque, NM, for a nationwide average of 200 watts per square meter. If all that solar energy could be converted directly into electricity, you could light two 100-watt bulbs for every square meter (about 11 sq. feet) of land area--during the day, that is.

Of course, all the Sun''s heat cannot be converted into electricity. Take the latest solar plant to be brought on line, Nevada Solar One, a solar concentrator plant near Boulder City, NV which incorporates the latest German-built parabolic mirrors to focus the Sun''s heat on specially designed vacuum-insulated steel and glass receivers produced by Germany''s Schott firm. Although rated at 64 megawatts peak generating capacity (that is at full Sun), the actual averaged generating capacity of the plant over the 24-hour day is somewhat under 15 megawatts. This is produced on a land surface area of 1.3 million square meters (321 acres) , bringing the actual electrical generating capacity of the plant to 11.4 watts per square meter. Thus it takes about 9 square meters, or 96 square feet of plant area to generate enough electricity to light a 100-watt bulb.

SOLAR POWER WILL NOT WORK!
SOLAR POWER IS A SWINDLE FOR BOONS PICKENS!

[likeitis5050]

Spending, spending, spending..when does it end?

It ends when they bleed Americans dry.

Posted by peace4321 at 05:05 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Yep and WE the people agreed with him. Say have you fascist actually ever READ the document called the Constitution? You know the part that says WE the PEOPLE?? Well in case you had your head up the Grand Wizards behind, YOU LOST! The AMERICAN PEOPLE said about as LOUD as they can say it TODAY, that they want a change in course. THAT means Trickle Down, the Republican LIE, is NO MORE! Get over it and move on!!


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Posted by irmcvet971

Can you be any more obnoxious and in your haste to ride your holier-than-thou band wagon thru town...where he did the poster you railed against say anything about being Republican...twit. People like you make Democrats cringe.

[whitemale08]

solar power is responsible for all life on this planet.
judging by your existence, I guess its not always a success


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Posted by ainttaken at 11:41 PM : Jan 09, 2009--

You are right about the Sun''s responsiblity for life.

However one life-form cannot consume energy and efficiently pass on the same amount of residual energy or its intensity to another life-form.

We need geo-thermol and nuclear energy to efficiently and adequately provide for our energy needs.

The problem with today''s Universities is that it''s all curriculum created out of British ''think-tanks'' like the ''Congress for Cultural Freedom'' back in the 50''s and 60''s.

The British objective derived out the CCF (Congress for Cultural Freedom) was to remove ''discovery'' or ''common sense'' from University classrooms.

You, like every other college student, was taught that ''every new discovery has already been discovered'' by recognized scientists''.

You were taught to never question your professors because they were the ''authorities'' on science.

We have to root out CCF from our classrooms.

[irmcvet971]

Four years and nothing will be done yeah big change

Posted by popstom11 at 08:15 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Ya think? ROFLMAO better hang on to that swastika pal, you are about to become totally IRRELEVENT!! Sieg Heil Y''all

[irmcvet971]

Can you be any more obnoxious and in your haste to ride your holier-than-thou band wagon thru town...where he did the poster you railed against say anything about being Republican...twit. People like you make Democrats cringe.

Posted by likeitis5050 at 08:14 PM : Jan 09, 2009


Well SINCE there are TWO parties and SINCE the poster put up the same tired old LIE we''ve heard from the Fascist for DECADES now, it must be assumed that they, at least, hold to that "trickle down" mentality. Sieg Heil!!

[irmcvet971]

The prick is a liar about being a Marine too. Too ****** stupid, no character or integrity to be in the Corps.

Posted by TheMasses100 at 08:59 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Well sure I am! IF I don''t agree with the "Party" and you fascist I can''t be a Marine huh? ROFLMAO No wonder you freaks fell for the WORST in HISTORY, you lack the basic intelligence to even KNOW that people DO NOT agree with you! Now put on that HOOD and SHEET and stand tall!! Sieg Heil Y''all.

[irmcvet971]

Spending, spending, spending..when does it end?

It ends when they bleed Americans dry.

Posted by peace4321 at 05:05 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Yep and WE the people agreed with him. Say have you fascist actually ever READ the document called the Constitution? You know the part that says WE the PEOPLE?? Well in case you had your head up the Grand Wizards behind, YOU LOST! The AMERICAN PEOPLE said about as LOUD as they can say it TODAY, that they want a change in course. THAT means Trickle Down, the Republican LIE, is NO MORE! Get over it and move on!!

[irmcvet971]

Marines are a bunch of ***-polishing queers.

Posted by yesbama1 at 11:59 PM : Jan 09, 2009

Whoa! NOW you are WAY out of bounds!! I have 15 very good friends on that Wall in Washington and NOT ONE of them is anything but the best this nation has. Today freaks on this board would call them all Lib''s by the way but be that as it is, they deserve, as all Marines, regardless of political views, the highest respect. My Dad was a Marine in WW II, fought in the pacific and was a NEW DEAL LIBERAL. I am a New Frontier Liberal and spent a Year and 26 days in that great vacation spot called Viet Nam, Chu Lai to be exact. Marines are no different than anyone else out here, we are just American Citizens who choose to wear a VERY special Uniform and be VERY proud about it.

[strangeworld]

One of the biggest failings of the republicans is their inability to address problems facing our nation without somehow twisting policy around to benefit their wealthy friends, business associates, and campaign contributors. For the past eight years, the president should have been on TV talking about energy conservation and car-pooling...instead he and his administration endorsed policy to put as much money as possible into oil company coffers. This is not too hard to understand when you look at the past background of the players in the bush administration - most were/sre somehow associated with big oil. The GOP traded away the future of our country for the gluttonous short-term profits that the oil companes have been raking in under this administration. Republicans should continue to be voted out, from local elections to national contests, the GOP has become a party of national traitors.

[dburfears]

What a joke are these GOP parrots who wwant to hold Obama "accountable" for what he hasn''t yet done. Accountable? He''s not even in office yet. Thsi is just a bunch of sad pathetic back-enders who will never be satisfied unless Obama fails.

You want to talk about accountability? The real crime in failed accountability is the 8 years of secret government run by Bush and NEVER held accountable by a subservient GOP led congress. The last 2 year of a Dem majority in the House, Bush and the parrots on this board would hear NONE of any accountability.

Accountability? Yes- we need some. it''s time to start looking at hte CRIMES of Bush and his thugs in the GOP. Let''s have some "accountability".

[aerhed]

MS1, That library thing is great. Too bad most Repubs can''t read! It''s a good thing they don''t believe in evolution or they''d realize they are all a bunch of neandertals about to become extinct. What will the archaeologists of 3500AD think when they start digging up fat ugly Repugs in Hummers?

[aerhed]

Jedi is King of the Neandertals.