After Brief Pause, Gaza Fighting Rages

Israeli Airstrikes Resume After Allowing Supplies To Reach Civilians; Hamas Rejects Cease-Fire Proposal From Egypt And France

(CBS/AP)  Israeli airstrikes and Hamas rockets resumed after a brief pause Wednesday to allow food and fuel to reach Palestinian civilians in Gaza, where an Israeli warplane dropped leaflets urging some residents to flee because of imminent attacks.

Even as the Israeli government tentatively welcomed a cease-fire proposal from Egypt and France, its military was instructed to continue its assault on Hamas.

The proposal could mark the first sign of a possible exit from 12 days of bloodshed in Gaza. But Israel says it needs guarantees that any cease-fire will halt rocket fire and prevent Hamas from rearming, while Hamas officials in Syria told CBS News that they could not agree to the plan because it does not guarantee open border crossings or an end to a crippling blockade.

Israeli strikes in response to continued Hamas rocket fire on southern Israel have killed at least 688 Palestinians since Dec. 27, including around 350 civilians, among them 130 children, according to Palestinian officials.

Israel says it has killed at least 130 Gaza militants since it launched its ground offensive Saturday. Ten Israelis have been killed since the fighting began, including three civilians.

On Wednesday, 29 Palestinians were killed, including at least 22 civilians and two Islamic Jihad militants, medics said. In one incident, a family of four was killed in an airstrike on their car, medics said.

In the Jebaliya refugee camp, there was a mass funeral for 40 people killed Tuesday by Israeli mortar fire toward a U.N. school. Israel said it was responding to an attack by Hamas militants who fired mortar shells from an area near the school.

The bodies, wrapped in blankets, were laid out in a long row on the ground, with mourners kneeling in prayer before them.

Israel carried out 40 airstrikes Wednesday on targets including smuggling tunnels on the Gaza-Egypt border, Israel's chief army spokesman Brig. Gen. Avi Benayahu said.

An Israeli combat officer, identified as Lt. Col. Amir, said troops neutralized hundreds of explosives devices, including booby-trapped houses.

Residents said 16 houses on the border were destroyed, with Israel presumably targeting buildings shielding tunnel entrances. Hamas had about 300 smuggling tunnels in the area before the offensive, and Israel has already destroyed dozens in repeated strikes.

Fida Kishta, an area resident, said she could hear sporadic shelling from F-16 planes.

"I feel like the ground is shaking when we hear the shelling. People are terrified," Kishta said.

In the evening, an Israeli warplane dropped leaflets over the Rafah refugee camp on the Gaza-Egypt border, urging residents to flee because of planned Israel strikes. Hamas has weapons smuggling tunnels in the area, and Israel has already destroyed dozens of them in airstrikes.

"Because Hamas uses your houses to hide and smuggle military weapons, the IDF will attack the area, between the Egyptian border until the beach road," the leaflet said, according a local U.N. official.

After the leaflets were dropped, about 5,000 fled to two U.N. schools turned into temporary shelters.

Despite the army's push, Gaza militants fired 14 rockets Wednesday, including hits on the cities of Beersheba and Ashkelon.

Rocket fire has fallen off somewhat as Israeli troops tighten their hold on Gaza, taking over open areas used to launch rockets, but Gaza residents say militants are still launching from heavily populated areas.

Israel released footage of suspected Hamas militants captured by Israeli troops. The men were blindfolded and their hands were bound with plastic cuffs. Several were cuffed together, and led away by soldiers. Others were seen kneeling on the sandy ground.

The army spokesman said 120 suspected militants have been captured.

"We uncovered many tunnels for kidnapping soldiers, at least one car bomb, booby trapped dolls, tunnels - an underground city," Benyahu told Israel TV's Channel 10.

With the renewed fighting, a truce deal still seemed distant. There are also wide gaps between the demands raised by Israel and Hamas.

Still, Israel was to send an envoy, senior Defense Ministry official Amos Gilad, to Cairo on Thursday to hear more about the French-Egyptian truce proposal, whose terms still remain unclear.

The plan calls for an immediate cease-fire for a limited period to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. It also calls for an urgent meeting of Israel and the Palestinian side on arrangements to prevent any repetition of military action and to deal with the causes.

In Paris, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said Israel and the moderate Palestinian Authority, Hamas' rival, accepted the plan. However, the Palestinian Authority is not a direct party to the conflict.

In Syria, a spokesman for Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal told CBS News' George Baghdadi soon after Sarkozy's comments were made public that the militant group did not accept the terms of the Egyptian-French plan.

Spokesman Abu Omar said Hamas could only agree to a plan which guaranteed to end the economic blockade and to reopen the border crossings as soon as hostilities on both sides were halted; what he called a "complete package."

The Egyptian plan calls for Hamas to stop firing rockets and Israel to stop its military campaign simultaneously - which Hamas is amenable to - but it then states both sides should sit down to discuss further measures to be taken, such as the border crossings and the blockade.

Israel has no direct contacts with Hamas, but Mashaal indicated earlier Wednesday for the first time an apparent willingness to "contribute in reaching a solution to stop the aggression in Gaza." (Click here to read more on this from George Baghdadi in the World Watch blog.)

Turkey has already been asked to put together an international force in Gaza, according to a Mideastern diplomat familiar with the country's efforts to end the conflict. He said the responsibilities of the force were yet to be determined. The diplomat spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, and Turkish officials would not immediately comment.

Hamas and Israel voiced reservations, and the Bush administration also withheld firm backing. "What we are seeking is a cease-fire that would actually last," said White House press secretary Dana Perino.

At a news conference, President-elect Barack Obama deferred to President Bush on the Gaza conflict. Obama has insisted that he would allow the current chief executive to deal with foreign policy matters until the Jan. 20 inauguration.

"We can't have two administrations running foreign policy at the same time. We simply can't do it," Obama said. "The silence is not as a consequence of a lack of concern. In fact, it's not silence. ... I've explained very clearly what institutional constraints I'm under when it comes to this issue."

Israel briefly suspended its offensive to allow humanitarian supplies to reach Gaza, and officials said such lulls would be declared on a regular basis, depending on security.

However, just getting aid into Gaza won't solve the huge humanitarian problems. Roads are bombed and blocked, reports CBS News correspondent Richard Roth and it's still a battle zone full of hazards for people delivering the aid and the people who need it.

The pause in fighting came amid growing warnings by the World Bank and aid groups of a humanitarian crisis. The World Bank said there is a severe shortage of drinking water and that the sewage system is under growing strain.

During the lull, Israel allowed in 80 trucks of supplies from various donors as well as industrial fuel for Gaza's power plant. Medics tried to retrieve bodies in areas that had previously been too dangerous to approach.

Medic Mohammed Azayzeh in central Gaza pulled out three people, killed by shrapnel fire Sunday, from the border town of Mughraqa, where Israeli tanks had settled nearby. The medic said he also found a dead family of three, including a father cradling a 1-year-old boy.

Ambulance sirens wailed as drivers rushed to the border crossing with Egypt to evacuate the wounded during relative drop in violence.

Despite the new cease-fire efforts, Israel's security Cabinet decided to push ahead with the offensive, according to participants who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to discuss the content of such meetings.

The military has called up thousands of reserve troops that it could use to expand the offensive, supporting the three brigade-size formations of regular troops now inside.

Defense officials said the troops could be ready for action by Friday. They spoke on condition of anonymity because the army's preparations are classified.

Osama Hamdan, a Hamas representative in Lebanon close to the group's leadership in Syria, told Al-Jazeera television that Hamas will reject any initiative that does not include the withdrawal of the Israeli army from Gaza and the opening of all of the territory's border crossings.

"Any proposal that does not include these bases is unacceptable," he said. "The idea of an international force is rejected and such forces which will come to Gaza to protect Israel will be dealt with as enemy forces."

[lewiston14]

Sure they will. Always have. Now its time to go after any power plants, Water pumps, and Pipe lines. Until the gaza people go after hamas they are going to be bent over backwards. We are talking about a strip of land 25 miles long 4 miles wide how hard can that be.

[ffoulkes-2009]

I''m surprised the Islamo-fascist knuckle-dragging moron crew hasn''t started in on you guys yet! Hamas needs to burn! All there is to it.

[bigsk8fan]

let''s see, hamas has denied israel''s right to exist. hamas continues to sponsor rocket attacks, militant suicide bombings, etc. and they wonder why israel is attacking them now. please!

[ffoulkes-2009]

Keep seeing on the news the video taken by Israeli troops of the knuckle dragger firing mortars from in front of the school that got hit, then running inside just before being blasted to oblivion...THAT is what these idiots are doing to their own children!!!

[jockh]

I think that Israel should continue to occupy the palestinians land. I think that Israel should continue to ignore more UN reslutions than saddam hussain ever did. As long as as the bulk of the newspapers and tv channels are owned by jewish people we can continue to dominate US politics.

[tonyb-d-bing]

IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, JESUS AND MOSES:
PLEASE VIEW THIS SHORT VIDEO AND PASS IT TO OTHERS

www.shoebat.com

It''s a MUST for those who would like to see an expose%u2019 and voluntary confessions of why a reformed terrorist abandoned fascism/terrorism.

Thanks be to God for this!
(this is from a previous posting)

[vcofreason]

What do they do, sit around a table and say, "Well, we blew apart X amount of little kids today and the news, showing all the bloody, screaming children and body parts might start making us look bad, so maybe we should pretend we want peace and have a cease fire?"

[tonyb-d-bing]

APPEASEMENT OF ISLAMOFASCISTS ONLY WHETS THEIR APPETITES
FOR MORE DEATH, DESTRUCTION, POWER AND CONQUEST.

BEWARE OF *HUDNA, THE EQUIVALENT OF DECEIVING TRUCE!

Haven''t Western World leaders learned hard lessons from past historical blunders?

If our resolve is weakened or worn down, we are bound to suffer the most serious consequences since the events leading up to and during WW2, as Hitler and the Nazis nearly conquered the whole world. It is estimated that between 48 and 54 million people were killed (many millions plainly murdered) between 1939 and 1945.

*We are strongly urged to learn the definition of hudna, or deceptive truce.

[hackerpc]

OUT OF THE HILLS OF MOUNT ZION COMES A'' LIGHTING AND THUNDER...

[hackerpc]

For the young men and women soldiers of Israel who defend the Jewish STATE. ...MAY GOD BLESS YOU!!

[petro49l]

The Israeli Army sacrificed 130 Arab Children. CBS News fills its website with Jewish propaganda. I think the Knesset will change its tune when Arabs murder Israeli Children, in retaliation.

[hackerpc]

A woman is nothing to hamas their own chlidren even less. hell these cowards even send their own children out as suicide bombers then hide in IRAN.
the palestinian women and children should throw their fathers and husbands out of the house for backing hamas then pick up the rifles that the hamas cowards drop running away and kill every hamas supporter that crawls out of a hole or they see behind a little girls skirts hiding.....

[dkaufman81]

It is terrible that innocent people are dying, but put the blame on Hamas and their refusal to stop firing missels into Israel. See this video to see what daily life has been like for the past years in Israel. Why the Israeli''s have gone to war:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r51PONLdS5s&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOLMiP0bnY8&NR=1

Israel left Gaza in 2005, giving Palestinians the chance to run their own lives. Despite this, more than 6300 rockets and mortars have been fired into Israel since then.
During the past year alone, more than 3000 rockets and mortars have been launched into Israel.
Since the end of a formal ceasefire (during which terror attacks continued) with Hamas came to an end on Dec. 19, more than 170 rockets and mortars have been fired at Israeli civilians including a barrage of some 80 missiles on Dec. 24 alone.
As US President-elect Obama stated during a visit to Sderot five months ago, "If somebody was sending rockets into my house where my two daughters sleep at night, I would do everything to stop that, and would expect Israel to do the same thing."
No other country in the world would have exercised the amount of restraint that Israel has shown for the past several years without responding.

[hackerpc]

Only brave men will stand and fight the cowardly scum that is hamas will hide behind the women and children


Firing rockets at civilians serves no military purpose whatsoever. It is terrorism and a war crime. Hamas knows that it cannot beat Israel in a direct, military confrontation so they resort to terrorism and propaganda. Most of the "liberal" media have been useful idiots with respect to the latter.....

[debinok1]

"Latest Proposition Has Apparent Hamas Backing; Israel Declares 3-Hour Halt In Fighting For Aid Distribution"

Hamas doesn''t realize that if they would just stop their attacks they would have had aid all along.

[hackerpc]

In the civilized world, if someone in country A fired rockets into country B, then the police and military of country A would round up the terrorists, and perhaps turn them over to country B for trial and punishment. Hamas either can''t or won''t stop the rocket attacks. What is Israel supposed to do, use harsh language?

[armydog2]

These were children that were killed. no excuse for this at all.

[marvenetta]

Israel, with the support of the US, is committing GENOCIDE and TERRORISM on defenseless, Palestinians civilians inorder to drive them off their land, and kill the any potential peace agreement with them. Israel is committing war crimes by deliberatively targeting and bombing UN buildings in Gaza that it knows Palestinian families are huddled in for safety purposes. Israel is committing these murderous acts to send message to all Palestinians that they will be killed if they stay in Gaza. Israel had the Bush Adm. and US Congress approve their plan to attack the Palestinian people in June of 08. Israel was promised unconditional support for its plan by the Bush Adm. and Congress, and assurance that the US would veto all action and condemnation, or criticism of the UN Security Council for Israel''s attack on the Palestinian people. It is shameful that the US has fallen so low, that it is supporting Israel''s apartheid, occupation system, after turning the page on its own dark past of slavery and exploitation. The US should be better than this. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME ON THE US.

Read:Denicrats Are Cowards in the Face of Israel''s Brutality.
http://www.alternet.org/story117475/

[debinok1]

These were children that were killed. no excuse for this at all.

Posted by armydog2
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Tell that to Hamas. If he would stop firing rockets from the schools and the areas around the schools, the schools would not be targets. While you are at it tell him that children should not be being taught to strap bombs onto their bodies.

[hackerpc]

HAMAS is a Terrorist Organization & are 100% Responsible For ALL deaths in the current battles being waged in Gaza. If you sympathize with Hamas, YOU too are a killer of women & children for aiding and abetting the terrorist organization (making sure there is killing of women & children is a weapon in their eyes) in the commission of an act of war against Israel.

[hackerpc]

HAMAS IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION - ONLY TERRORISTS SUPPORT THEM......

[hackerpc]

FloydZeppd...go hug your terrorist lover doll and go to sleep...

[debinok1]

When given an opportunity to smuggle anything they could into the Strip, did the GazaStinians smuggle water, food, medicine, or rockets?

Live by the sword, die by the sword!

Posted by DaVicar3
****************
Good point. A better one would be that in the last three years since Israel pulled out of Gaza and let the palestinians do as they please why have the Palestinians not tried to improve things in Gaza. They have accepted aid from other countries without trying to make a sustainable way of life for themselves.

[debinok1]

Because their mission is to push Islam on the globe by death and destruction until the religion is only for allah.

It''''s a direct instruction in their Quran.

Posted by Truthin2009
***************
Yes, I know. Had they actually wanted to make lives for themselves and their families they would have focused on making things better instead of electing Hamas for the chance to eliminate Israel.

[letsbgood]

SOME PAST FACTS (really important)

1. Jewish always lived in Israel that once was their kingdom
2. Jewish where expelled from Israel but some where always there
3. Jewish temples where destroyed and mosques where build on top of it
4. Jewish did not steal Israel from the Palestinian
5. Jewish are back to Israel and rebuild it
6. Jewish are as greedy, nice, good, bad as any other group
7. Due to be hunted, Jewish EDUCATION was a surviving tool
8. Due to EDUCATION Jewish known to be smarter (high positions) and richer (not greedier...)
9. When economy is bad people tend to blame the powerful and rich groups
10. Racist and anti-semi used depressions to grow hater about Jewish people

[letsbgood]

SOME PRESENT FACTS (really important)
1. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east
2. Israel is now a fact so only a peace agreement can work
3. Palestinian territories where occupied while defending from surrounded Arab countries
4. No Arab county wants the territories as part of them
5. most Arab countries slaughtered the Palestinians in their territories
6. The Palestinian situation is an excuse for Arab countries to divert hate toward Israel
7. Israel had many attempts for peace but was the only one who really wants it
8. Israel dealt with terrorists (Arafat) when showed some willing to negotiate
9. Palestinians never hide the face that a peace will be the 1st step to occupy all Israel
10. Hamas is a terror organization supported by Iran to harm Israel

[hackerpc]

Please ALLAH Kill more babies. I support it. I love War. I am Floydzepp I am Satan. I support Hamas

Posted by FloydZeppd

[letsbgood]

MORE PRESENT FACTS (really important)
11. Hamas took control with power (executed their own people) and corrupted elections
12. Hamas is attacking Israel before and after they took control
13. Israel never aimed at civilians (some unfortunate individuals past incidents)
14. Arab countries killed the Palestinians in their territories when tried to raise their voices
15. After 8 years of getting attacked by Hamas rockets, Israel decided to protect their civilians
16. Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians as a human shield to protect themselves
17. Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians to create hate when civilians killed by Israel
18. Israel is bombing locations where Hamas fired rockets from
19. Israel is sorry when civilians are getting killed but has the right to protect it''s own civilians
20: Hamas is only one of many Islamic groups around the world, who believes in this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

[antoniof123]

I asked God if I could watch on judgement day and he said I could pull the switch but I said no thank you it will take a God to pull the switch so many times for all those that killed in your name. He said alright just stand and watch.

Looks like so many are not going to like it when God does have judgement day.

[hackerpc]

You will answer to God.

Posted by FloydZeppd..There''s an old Abrahamic covenant that says, "I will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse it"

[letsbgood]

SOME PAST FACTS (really important)

1. Jewish always lived in Israel that once was their kingdom
2. Jewish where expelled from Israel but some where always there
3. Jewish temples where destroyed and mosques where build on top of it
4. Jewish did not steal Israel from the Palestinian
5. Jewish are back to Israel and rebuild it
6. Jewish are as greedy, nice, good, bad as any other group
7. Due to be hunted, Jewish EDUCATION was a surviving tool
8. Due to EDUCATION Jewish known to be smarter (high positions) and richer (not greedier...)
9. When economy is bad people tend to blame the powerful and rich groups
10. Racist and anti-semi used depressions to grow hater about Jewish people

[letsbgood]

SOME PRESENT FACTS (really important)
1. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east
2. Israel is now a fact so only a peace agreement can work
3. Palestinian territories where occupied while defending from surrounded Arab countries
4. No Arab county wants the territories as part of them
5. most Arab countries slaughtered the Palestinians in their territories
6. The Palestinian situation is an excuse for Arab countries to divert hate toward Israel
7. Israel had many attempts for peace but was the only one who really wants it
8. Israel dealt with terrorists (Arafat) when showed some willing to negotiate
9. Palestinians never hide the face that a peace will be the 1st step to occupy all Israel
10. Hamas is a terror organization supported by Iran to harm Israel

[townie02072]

Hamas shoots rockets from private homes, uses ambulances to move troops, and thinks suicide is Allah''s work. And, Israel is the problem? If it was raining rockets here in Boston from Canada, I sure as hell would attack Canada, and I wouldn''t be sending audible warnings on radio to neighbors, like Israel does!

[hackerpc]

The translation that appears in the Amplified Bible gives a clearer warning from God:
Numbers 24:9 [show/hide]Numbers 24:9 [9]He crouched, he lay down like a lion and like a lioness; who will rouse him up? Blessed are those who bless you, and cursed are those who curse you."
This text is from the ESV Bible. Visit www.esv.org to learn about the ESV.
He couched, he lay down as a lion; and as a lioness, who shall rouse him? Blessed [of God] is he who blesses you [who prays for and contributes to your welfare] and cursed [of God] is he who curses you [who in word, thought, or deed would bring harm upon you.] [The Amplified Bible].

These scriptures clearly indicate that destruction and utter devastation will be visited upon the Nations for cursing the Jews, and those individuals will be singled out for punishment by an Angry God.

[letsbgood]

MORE PRESENT FACTS (really important)
11. Hamas took control with power (executed their own people) and corrupted elections
12. Hamas is attacking Israel before and after they took control
13. Israel never aimed at civilians (some unfortunate individuals past incidents)
14. Arab countries killed the Palestinians in their territories when tried to raise their voices
15. After 8 years of getting attacked by Hamas rockets, Israel decided to protect their civilians
16. Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians as a human shield to protect themselves
17. Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians to create hate when civilians killed by Israel
18. Israel is bombing locations where Hamas fired rockets from
19. Israel is sorry when civilians are getting killed but has the right to protect it''s own civilians
20: Hamas is only one of many Islamic groups around the world, who believes in this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

[factsearcher]

There is a solution to the problem:

Israel''s war against Hamas brings up the old quandary: What to do about the Palestinians? Western states, including Israel, need to set goals to figure out their policy toward the West Bank and Gaza.

Let''s first review what we know does not and cannot work:

*Israeli control. Neither side wishes to continue the situation that began in 1967, when IDF had to intervene in order to defend their population.
*A Palestinian state. The 1993 Oslo Accords began this process but a toxic brew of anarchy, ideological extremism, antisemitism, jihadism, and warlordism led to complete Palestinian failure.
*A binational state: Given the two populations'' mutual antipathy, the prospect of a combined Israel-Palestine (what Muammar al-Qaddafi calls "Israstine") is as absurd as it seems.

Excluding these three prospects leaves only one practical approach, that which worked tolerably well in the period 1948-67:

****Shared Jordanian-Egyptian rule: Amman rules the West Bank and Cairo runs Gaza.****

The failures of Yasir Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas, of the Palestinian Authority and the "peace process," have prompted rethinking in Amman and Jerusalem.
The Jordanian government, which enthusiastically annexed the West Bank in 1950 and abandoned its claims only under duress in 1988, shows signs of wanting to return.

[joule18]

Doesn''t surprise me that Hamas insists on open boarders and the end of the blockade. It makes importing those rockets from Iran so much easier and will put the tunnel diggers out of work.

[trapbreaker]

HAMAS REJECTS CEASE FIRE

Says it all. They whine and accuse Israel od killing the civilians they hide behind, but they aren''t willing to stop the killing.

[factsearcher]

Solution:
Shared Jordanian-Egyptian rule: Amman rules the West Bank and Cairo runs Gaza.

The Jordanian government, which enthusiastically annexed the West Bank in 1950 and abandoned its claims only under duress in 1988, shows signs of wanting to return.
Despairing of self-rule, some Palestinians welcome the Jordanian option. An unnamed senior PA official told Diker and Inbari that that a form of federation or confederation with Jordan offers "the only reasonable, stable, long-term solution to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict." Hanna Seniora opined that "The current weakened prospects for a two-state solution forces us to revisit the possibility of a confederation with Jordan." The New York Times'' Hassan M. Fattah quotes a Palestinian in Jordan: "Everything has been ruined for us -- we''ve been fighting for 60 years and nothing is left. It would be better if Jordan ran things in Palestine, if King Abdullah could take control of the West Bank."

First, Egyptians overwhelmingly want a strong tie to Gaza; Hamas concurs; and Israeli leaders sometimes agree.
Secondly, Gaza is arguably more a part of Egypt than of "Palestine." During most of the Islamic period, it was either controlled by Cairo or part of Egypt administratively. Gazan colloquial Arabic is identical to what Egyptians living in Sinai speak. Economically, Gaza has most connections to Egypt. Hamas itself derives from the Muslim Brethren, an Egyptian organization. Is it time to think of Gazans as Egyptians?

[letsbgood]

SOME PAST FACTS (really important)

1. Jewish always lived in Israel that once was their kingdom
2. Jewish where expelled from Israel but some where always there
3. Jewish temples where destroyed and mosques where build on top of it
4. Jewish did not steal Israel from the Palestinian
5. Jewish are back to Israel and rebuild it
6. Jewish are as greedy, nice, good, bad as any other group
7. Due to be hunted, Jewish EDUCATION was a surviving tool
8. Due to EDUCATION Jewish known to be smarter (high positions) and richer (not greedier...)
9. When economy is bad people tend to blame the powerful and rich groups
10. Racist and anti-semi used depressions to grow hater about Jewish people

[rhs648]

As expected, Hama and the Palestinians are not ready for unconditional peace. The Palestinians are in no position to make demands or barter. The whole thing can be ended with the Palestinians agreeing to unconditional peace, no more suicide bombers and missiles, and peaceful coexistance with Israel. Other Middle Eastern countries are at peace with Israel. Agan. it is up to the Palestinians.

[letsbgood]

SOME PRESENT FACTS (really important)
1. Israel is the only democracy in the middle east
2. Israel is now a fact so only a peace agreement can work
3. Palestinian territories where occupied while defending from surrounded Arab countries
4. No Arab county wants the territories as part of them
5. most Arab countries slaughtered the Palestinians in their territories
6. The Palestinian situation is an excuse for Arab countries to divert hate toward Israel
7. Israel had many attempts for peace but was the only one who really wants it
8. Israel dealt with terrorists (Arafat) when showed some willing to negotiate
9. Palestinians never hide the face that a peace will be the 1st step to occupy all Israel
10. Hamas is a terror organization supported by Iran to harm Israel

[joule18]

Posted by marvenetta at 08:16 AM : Jan 07, 2009

I''m sure Hamas strongly suggested (forced) women and children to occupy the buildings where they store rockets and launch them from so Israel could be blamed when they were killed. They do not value life. They were shooting Fatah members in both legs and breaking their hands just before Israel launched their ground attacks so Fatah members couldn''t help Israel identify Hamas members.

[letsbgood]

MORE PRESENT FACTS (really important)
11. Hamas took control with power (executed their own people) and corrupted elections
12. Hamas is attacking Israel before and after they took control
13. Israel never aimed at civilians (some unfortunate individuals past incidents)
14. Arab countries killed the Palestinians in their territories when tried to raise their voices
15. After 8 years of getting attacked by Hamas rockets, Israel decided to protect their civilians
16. Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians as a human shield to protect themselves
17. Hamas is using the Palestinian civilians to create hate when civilians killed by Israel
18. Israel is bombing locations where Hamas fired rockets from
19. Israel is sorry when civilians are getting killed but has the right to protect it''s own civilians
20: Hamas is only one of many Islamic groups around the world, who believes in this:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410

[joule18]

The UN monitors in Lebanon who were sent there after August 2006 are a useless bunch. They look the other way and party while Hezbollah gears up with a bigger arsenal to attack Israel.

[txlakeside]

Texhillgirl .... Hamas is not a person, rather a belief and resistance movement. You really are an idiot and are a big reason folks do not like Texans ... ROFLMAO!

[dbaker13-2009]

kill kill kill hamas and their supporters.go israel!!!!!!

[sly_64]

Let them both destroy each other.

[roscoe2400-2009]

****Shared Jordanian-Egyptian rule: Amman rules the West Bank and Cairo runs Gaza.****

The failures of Yasir Arafat and Mahmoud Abbas, of the Palestinian Authority and the "peace process," have prompted rethinking in Amman and Jerusalem.
The Jordanian government, which enthusiastically annexed the West Bank in 1950 and abandoned its claims only under duress in 1988, shows signs of wanting to return.



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Posted by factsearcher at 09:32 AM : Jan 07, 2009


This only works if you include the requirement to eliminate/exterminate the Islamic radicals like Hamas, Hezbolla, Islamic Jihad, etc. They ech have declared in their mantras that Israel has no right to exist and profess the desire to eliminate the Israel. So, if the countries of Egypt, Jordan, and Lebanon can carry out this task, the plan may work!

[factsearcher]

factsearcher,

A combined state would not work, but shared power could. What I mean by that is: 1)Sharing Jeruselem as the capitol of both states as a demilitarized zone. 2) shariing water,power and other resources under U.N. control and mangement. That way no one could pull what Russia is doing to Ukraine on the other; if anyone loses power they both do.
3) Economic and security co0peration.

The 2 sides already essentially agreed to sharing Jeruselem as the capitol at the Taba Summit in 2001. Palestinians regularly work in Israel when security is conducive to that.

The problem is Abbas or Israel but the elements like Hamas that are against a 2 state solution and only want eternal war. They must be conained and that''''s what this operation is about, it''''s actually a harbinger for progress toward peace(if it succeeds).

Posted by Mcliar

Mcliar,
You obviously did not read my post because it exactly said that a two state solution hasnt worked and wont work.
palestinians need to be ruled guided and re-educated by Jordan and Eguypt. read the article again, man.!