U.S. Shoots Down U.N. Call For Ceasefire

Libyan-Sponsored Proposal To End Israel's Gaza Offensive Blocked By U.S. Concerns Over Hamas Rockets

(CBS)  By CBS News Foreign Affairs Analyst Pamela Falk reporting from the United Nations:

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The U.N. met for four hours Saturday night after Israel began a ground incursion into Gaza, but failed to reach agreement on any statement, and rejected a Libyan-sponsored proposal calling for an immediate ceasefire.

The U.N. Security Council had issued a consensus statement on New Year’s Eve, but the Deputy U.S. Ambassador, Alejandro Wolff, blocked anything in writing which would have come out of the late-night meeting, which took place shortly after the ground incursion began.

The reason, Wolff said, was that the U.S. believed that there was no immediate prospect that Hamas militants would cease their rocket attacks against Israel.

"We're not going to equate the actions of Israel, a member state of the United Nations, with the actions of the terrorist group Hamas; there is no equivalence there," Wolff said. "The Charter of this organization respects the right of every member state to exercise its self-defense. And Israel's self-defense is not negotiable."

Meeting in emergency session but failing to issue any written statement of consensus, finger-pointing was the only common ground. The Palestinian Representative said the U.S. was the only nation which blocked a statement. The Libyan Ambassador said that the lack of a unified position by the Arab nations was also at fault.

It was not surprising that the Security Council did not reach an agreement, since the United States - with veto power on the Council - supports Israel’s position that negotiations should take place outside the U.N. until the moment that Hamas stops the shelling of southern Israel. But the lack of agreement stands in stark contrast with a U.N. Security Council Resolution passed only two weeks earlier, during calmer days, which called for a two-state solution and a restart of the peace negotiations.

The Security Council was scolded by U.N. General Assembly President Miguel D’Escoto, a former Nicaraguan Sandinista, who called the lack of action by the Security Council an illustration of the Security Council's disfunctionality. He called the failure of action a "monstrosity."

"There are some members of the Security Council that are trying to protect their own political interests," d'Escoto said. "This is a real shame … people are dying."

Secretary General Ban Ki-moon said that he was certain that the ground incursion would increase civilian suffering.

The only sign of agreement was a verbal statement by France's U.N. Ambassador who, as Council president, announced there were "strong convergences" among the 15 members to express serious concern about the deteriorating situation in Gaza and the need for "an immediate, permanent and fully respected ceasefire."

The Security Council will return when a high level delegation of Arab ambassadors arrives in New York Sunday or Monday and will hear from Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Tuesday.

The diplomatic stalemate reflected the divisions within the Security Council about what to do next - to have the U.N. formulate a plan, or to enforce an agreement once Hamas has agreed to a ceasefire and the parties involved agree to international monitors to secure against the smuggling of arms into Gaza.

In the end, if a durable ceasefire is put into place, it is likely that the U.N. Security Council would be asked by its members to put together a new road map to enforce the peace - but there appears to be no prospect of that at least in the next few days.

THIS is ----- THE REASON ----- that we are targeted and attacked by terrorists!!!!



Why can we NEVER put America''''s safety and security first, and mind our own F***ING BUSINESS?!?!?!?

Posted by IamHungry68
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We tried that, got Pearl Harbor as a reward...

[ginger20051]

Go Israel. Drive Hamas into the sea. They are cowards who hide behind their own people and the expect the world to support them when someone gets killed. Eliminate or jail them all!

[excoachken]

This is Joe Lieberman''s reward for supporting the Cowardly Cowboy''s invasion of Iraq, even after every sensible Republican noted it''s folly! One can only hope that somehow, in spite of the mainstream media propaganda, Americans will see that Israel is committing this criminal invasion to make the Arabs in Gaza extinct!

[albo58]

If Mexico or Canada was launching missiles at us everyday, then you can imagine that even an Obama administration would take some sort action! Israel has every right to defend its self. Hate groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and their financial backers (Iraq, Syria, and some Saudi big wigs) need to reap what they sow...and painfully often!

[grumpas]

If Mexico or Canada was launching missiles at us everyday, then you can imagine that even an Obama administration would take some sort action! Israel has every right to defend its self. Hate groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and their financial backers (Iraq, Syria, and some Saudi big wigs) need to reap what they sow...and painfully often!


Posted by Albo58

We didn''t steal Canada or Mexico''s land!! What do you expect them to do moron just stand there and allow themselves to be destroyed????? Grow up! The Jews started it when they took someone else''s land in 48!

[thefan08-2009]

THIS is ----- THE REASON ----- that we are targeted and attacked by terrorists!!!!
Why can we NEVER put America''''''''s safety and security first, and mind our own F***ING BUSINESS?!?!?!?

Posted by IamHungry68
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We tried that, got Pearl Harbor as a reward...
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Posted by hadenough43

No, we got pearl harbor in return because we were secretly shipping weapons to england. when the germans attack and disarmed the french in less than a month and also turned on russia, they attack england. the war was been fought in england and American knew if England goes down the we would be in big trouble. we helped the british win that battle by sending them weapons and in response, the *** attacked us. we always have our nose in something and this what worries me most about being an american and this is the reason why we are always hated around the world and some rag head will always try to do something like september 11 again. We cant fully police our people, let the world take care of their problems. Isreals needs to defend herself from terrorist but we dont need to add more flames to the fire.

[debinok1]

What do you expect them to do moron just stand there and allow themselves to be destroyed????? Grow up! The Jews started it when they took someone else''''s land in 48!

Posted by grumpas
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Maybe if I say this often enough someone will get it. This is not a LAND WAR, this is a HOLY WAR. This is about religion not land. Two faiths with two different prophets, each prophet claims their faith to be the chosen people of God. This is the basis for this war and for every other Muslim/Jewish war in history, Nothing else.

[thefan08-2009]

We didn''''t steal Canada or Mexico''''s land!! What do you expect them to do moron just stand there and allow themselves to be destroyed????? Grow up! The Jews started it when they took someone else''''''''s land in 48!
Posted by grumpas at 09:14 AM

Correction, we stole Mexico''''s land.


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Posted by earache4

Nice response. but if history is on my side which it is. this land use to belong to the jews. the epgytians had jewish slaves and i promise you they didnt have to get on boats to go get them. i am using the bible as a my history and history tells us all christian that that peace of land occupied bout the isrealites now is theirs. they never stole anything back, they were given back their land. the problem is the islamic extremist who dont care for anyone else but them selves. Even in Nigeria where i lived for a few years when my parents moved there. the Northern part which is mostly muslim, would sometimes go around towns and burns churches and kill christians. thats the islamic for most extremist. to them Mohammed preached its ok to be violent. so if you
wonder why groups like hamas, hezbollah and the taliban are the way they are, it has nothing to do with a land, but more to do with their believes. And they are cowards because they never come out and fight fair, and they use civillians as a shield.

We didn''''t steal Canada or Mexico''''s land!! What do you expect them to do moron just stand there and allow themselves to be destroyed????? Grow up! The Jews started it when they took someone else''''''''s land in 48!
Posted by grumpas at 09:14 AM

Correction, we stole Mexico''''s land.

Posted by earache4
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Yea, and we tried to sreal Canada''s land, too. But we got our butt''s kicked.

[thefan08-2009]

Do you use the bible as a science book too?



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Posted by earache4

I must have missed the science in the bible, so please why dont you school me on your vast knowledge.

[debinok1]

Do you use the bible as a science book too?


Posted by earache4
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While you may not like it, the Bible does state that the land was given to the Jewish people by God. That makes the muslims angry because according to their prophet they are Gods chosen and they believe the land should be theirs. This is a Holy War. Throughout history Muslims and other religions have invaded Israel and sought the destruction and removal of the Jewish people for that reason. You have two "chosen" people battling over the land "given" to those chosen.

Here''s an idea, why don''t we Americans create a god, too. Join the party.
We could have our god call us the "chosen people" and give us North America.....and why not South America, too.
Tht way, we could be just like those folks back there in the stone age when they created their gods.

[plutoboy]

Bush is the worst president in US history. Hopefully Obama will hold the terrorist state of Israel accountable

[thefan08-2009]

Once again America demonstates that it is the only nation on the planet that supports this oppressive regime. There would be no terrorism against America if it were not for our blind support of whatever Israel does. When will we wake up and join the rest of the entire world as one against the Israelis.


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Posted by endrepubs

You should probaly read your post before the hit the publish button. you called the isrealist oppressive, but then in the same breath said they wont be any terrorist act on Maerica if we didnt side with isreal. which means you agree this people are terrorist. i must have missed the news when an isrealist strapped himself with a bomb and walked to gaza or any other muslim country and blew himself up and other people. this people having been attacking isreal for while and when isreal defends themselves from this terrorist which they are since you yourself just admitted it. they are the one being oppressive. so if i come to your house and fire bullets at your front door and then you defend yourself, then you are an oppressive person. Come on be just a little bit smarter

[pirmin3]

"While you may not like it, the Bible does state that the land was given to the Jewish people by God..."

That clenches it. The big dude is certainly the arbiter of property law world wide. LMAO

[fleshmonger1]

this may come as a shock to some of the people on here but God created both Jew and Arab... And if you believe he favored one over the other... you would obviously have no real idea of what paternal love is... meaning I feel very sorry for your kids... The only solution here is for them to find a way to coexist and if they can''t or won''t do that... they have turned away from god.... be it the Jewish one or the Islamic one...

[toncul-2009]

Hamas Kills 9 Israeli Troops, Captures 2 in Gaza Op.
Hanan Awarekeh
http://www.almanar.com.lb/news
site/NewsD
etails.aspx?id=69127&languag
e=en


04/01/2009

And as it has vowed, the Palestinian resistance was waiting for the occupation soldiers to foil their aggression, killing nine of them and wounding dozens others, according to Ezz-eddine Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas%u2019s military wing. Hamas resistance fighters also said they have destroyed an Israeli Merkava with a B-29bomb.

Hamas announced it had captured two Israeli soldiers, an event which, for Israel, would highlight the political risk domestically of sending its troops into Gaza.

[toncul-2009]

Hamas Kills 9 Israeli Troops, Captures 2 in Gaza Op.
Hanan Awarekeh
http://www.almanar.com.lb/news
site/NewsD
etails.aspx?id=69127&languag
e=en


04/01/2009

And as it has vowed, the Palestinian resistance was waiting for the occupation soldiers to foil their aggression, killing nine of them and wounding dozens others, according to Ezz-eddine Al-Qassam Brigades, Hamas%u2019s military wing. Hamas resistance fighters also said they have destroyed an Israeli Merkava with a B-29bomb.

Hamas announced it had captured two Israeli soldiers, an event which, for Israel, would highlight the political risk domestically of sending its troops into Gaza.

[billbe-2009]

Gaza is the agressor in this war. Israel has shown patience and tried talking to no avail. Now that they are defending themselves, yhe objective is to elininate the threat. That means they have to kill the ones responsible. Since the terrorists are such cowards and hide behind skirts abd baby carriages, they are responsible for the so called innocents dying. the name of the game is to kill as many of the radicals as they possibly can until there is no more threat to Israel.

[thefan08-2009]

Bush is the worst president in US history. Hopefully Obama will hold the terrorist state of Israel accountable


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Posted by plutoboy

i dont think too many people would disagree about bush being a bad president. but too many poeple on here talk without facts. why dont you give us facts on how isreal is a terrorist state. in waiting for your response, i will state "facts" on why they arent.

Fact 1 - Hamas millitants were firing rockets into Isreal before the isrealites began their air strike.

Fact 2 - They are ready to stop this offensive attack as long as Hamas stops firing rocket, which they chose not to do

Fact 3- I have never seen, or read anything about any persons from isreal strapping themselves with bombs and going into any muslim country to blow themselves up and terrorize their people.

Fact 4- many Muslims from many muslim countries have commited terrorist act on Isreal, by suicide bombers.

Fact 5- If hamas didnt start with the rockets into southern isreal, this would be another boring sunday, but instead they did and have being doing that for while and because of that, they brought this offensive attack unto themselves and the people of gaza, because they hid like cowards between the civilians.

So please state yours

[debinok1]

Here''''s an idea, why don''''t we Americans create a god, too. Join the party.
We could have our god call us the "chosen people" and give us North America.....and why not South America, too.
Tht way, we could be just like those folks back there in the stone age when they created their gods.

Posted by hadenough43
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This is much more complex than just "creating" a God.
This goes back to Abraham and his sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac stayed true to the Jewish beliefs, Ishmael chose the Muslim religion. Both were raised as the "chosen" of God. Both were raised in what is now Israel. These two "tribes" have fought for centuries and will continue to do so until they can reach an understanding. Both of them are related.

[fleshmonger1]

the name of the game is to kill as many of the radicals as they possibly can until there is no more threat to Israel.
posted by BillBe at 10:09 AM : Jan 04, 2009

I don''t know if you realize that what you are saying in practical terms is "kill them all"... I think that was tried before, by the nazi''s, and apparently it didn''t work out too well...

[fleshmonger1]

Fact 3- I have never seen, or read anything about any persons from isreal strapping themselves with bombs and going into any muslim country to blow themselves up and terrorize their people.
Posted by thefan08

In the struggle to take back Palestine from the Arabs, Jewish fighters loaded explosives into a wagon and parked it by a police station... This was called by one academic, the world''s first known use of a "car" bomb... and by the way, the academic wasn''t arab or muslim... he was from the mid-west of the U.S.

[debinok1]

There are quite a few Jewish holy sites in and around Israel.
If this does not place the Jews as rightful heirs to the land nothing else will.

Posted by demswin08
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Dating the existance of Israel and the Jewish people does not matter to the Muslim community. They are the decendants of Ishmael and believe they have more rights than the decendants of Isaac. Which is where this all comes to war.

[thefan08-2009]

the name of the game is to kill as many of the radicals as they possibly can until there is no more threat to Israel.
posted by BillBe at 10:09 AM : Jan 04, 2009

I don''''t know if you realize that what you are saying in practical terms is "kill them all"... I think that was tried before, by the nazi''''s, and apparently it didn''''t work out too well...


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Posted by fleshmonger1

Do you people on read before responding. he said kill all the "radicals". let me repeat that. kill all the "radicals". not all the civilians. i mean come on people, some of you are stupid enough to justify what hamas is doing but atleast be smart enough to read.

Here''''''''s an idea, why don''''''''t we Americans create a god, too. Join the party.
We could have our god call us the "chosen people" and give us North America.....and why not South America, too.
Tht way, we could be just like those folks back there in the stone age when they created their gods.

Posted by hadenough43
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This is much more complex than just "creating" a God.
This goes back to Abraham and his sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Isaac stayed true to the Jewish beliefs, Ishmael chose the Muslim religion. Both were raised as the "chosen" of God. Both were raised in what is now Israel. These two "tribes" have fought for centuries and will continue to do so until they can reach an understanding. Both of them are related.

Posted by DebinOK1
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I just see that as a part of a larger picture. When a "god" gets created, one of the purposes,it seems to me, is that it''s usually for the self serving purpose of bestowing "chosen" status upon the creator. That''s the genesis of the problem. Historically speaking.

[debinok1]

I had stated that earlier about the other nations laying claim also to this area. Thes people have been at war since biblical times and will continue on far after you and I are gone.

Posted by demswin08
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Yes they have. That this will continue far after we are gone, I don''t know. The twelve tribes of Israel will eventually unite. When that may be, who knows. When they do if you believe what scripture says, they have three and a half years of peace. After that scripture suggests the rise of the beast.

[fleshmonger1]

To thefan,
if you would have read my post... I said "in PRACTICAL terms" If you could only kill the radicals and if the radicals didn''t have family that would be angered by the death of their family member, then what you are inferring that billbe meant would be right, but since you will kill more than just radicals and since the radicals will have family members that will take it upon themselves to avenge the death of their kin, in PRACTICAL terms, you would have to kill them all.... and by the way, I didn''t justify anything that hamas is doing... that would be another incorrect inference by you...

[grouchyjohn]

Do you people on read before responding. he said kill all the "radicals". let me repeat that. kill all the "radicals". not all the civilians. i mean come on people, some of you are stupid enough to justify what hamas is doing but atleast be smart enough to read.

Posted by thefan08 at 10:20 AM : Jan 04, 2009





Unfortunately, most religious freaks find no distinction between the two.

They take the "if it''s brown - it''s down" attitude.

[mainedoggie]

""The Charter of this organization respects the right of every member state to exercise its self-defense. And Israel''s self-defense is not negotiable."


KILLING Innocent civilians is not negotiable either dirt-bag.

This reeks of PNAC and the BUsh administration.

[debinok1]

Unfortunately, most religious freaks find no distinction between the two.

They take the "if it''''s brown - it''''s down" attitude.

Posted by grouchyjohn
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Moses was brown, Abraham was brown, Jesus was brown.

[thefan08-2009]

To thefan,
if you would have read my post... I said "in PRACTICAL terms" If you could only kill the radicals and if the radicals didn''''t have family that would be angered by the death of their family member, then what you are inferring that billbe meant would be right, but since you will kill more than just radicals and since the radicals will have family members that will take it upon themselves to avenge the death of their kin, in PRACTICAL terms, you would have to kill them all.... and by the way, I didn''''t justify anything that hamas is doing... that would be another incorrect inference by you...


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Posted by fleshmonger1

First of all, Hamas militants are not from gaza, they moved to gaza just like the taliban move to afghnistan. They moved in 2007 and over staged the palestinian government through a coup, so "Pratically", there is no freaking way all the people in gaza would be somehow related to the hamas millitant. You called what the isrealites were doing the same as the nazis, so please tell me how you werent siding with hamas based on that idiotic statement.

[fleshmonger1]

To thefan,
If you can find where I said anything about Isreal acting like nazi''s then you''re on better dope than I am... I was responding to billbe, someone who I don''t think represents the Iraely government. He made the comment I responded to, not the government of Israel. Secondly, I don''t see how your point, even if it''s true, about how the hamas fighters are foreigners makes anything I said wrong... They are in Gaza so any civilians killed would be most likely Palestinian and the radical foreigners probably still have family somewhere that would swear revenge and as you pointed out, they would and could go to gaza to get it... As far as your assertion that I am siding with hamas, I only said that human beings who have family killed will be angry about it and may want revenge, that is siding with human nature, not hamas...
I bet you could have an argument in a room by yourself..

[kennethepste]

The United Nations should appoint Israel as Caretaker of Palestine, with a mandate to create a Palestinian Arab State with boundaries that will be completely fair and equitable. In all probability, the Arabs would be pleasantly surprised at the result, which would show them that their hostility toward Israel has always been unjustified.

[neznative]

demswin08......Hate to disapoint you in your ignorant bliss but King David was in truth a Jew. Study Biblical History (they call it the old testimate) Christ was not born for many centuries.
By the way no matter what name you use David praised the god of Abraham. Many names for the same God including Jehovah.! But not Jesus Christ!

[pfness]

First of all, Hamas militants are not from gaza, they moved to gaza just like the taliban move to afghnistan. They moved in 2007 and over staged the palestinian government through a coup,
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That is exactly what Israel doesn''t want. They don''t want Islamics coming in and taking over the Israeli government either through a coup OR by breeding them out! Israel wants theirs to be a Jewish nation. And if you let it be overrun by anyone, whether, Islamic or Christian or Hindu or anything, then it will no longer be a Jewish nation.
I think here in America we need to be more conservative about who we let in, but I don''t have any control over that. But a little nation like Israel needs to be able to control it''s borders.
Saudi Arabia and Iran control who comes in there. But no one makes a big deal out of that.
The battle against Israel is a spiritual battle that Israel will eventually win, through tribulation, but still win.

[marvenetta]

It is understandable that people in the world hate and want to kill americans. Bush and his cohorts are lying through their teeth that Hamas violated the cease fire truce and attacked Israel. The truth is that Israel violated the cease fire truce by going into Gaza and killing 10 of Hamas'' men. Israel has broken every cease fire truce with the Palestinians, and every international law pertaining to the Palestinians, and the US and UN have always found someone else to blame for Israel''s crimes. As far as the US is concerned, the Israeli Zionist Jews could kill every Palestinian and Arab in the Middle East and still be welcome in the US. The US should be removed from mediating the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict on grounds that it is a dishonest broker. In the meantime, the Palestinians, arab countries, and Iran should forget about a peace process that never was, and concentrate on getting nuclear bombs to defend themselves from Israel. The so-called peace process is just a ploy to make fools of the Palestinians and Arabs, and give Israel more time to annihilate the palestinian people for their land.

[pfness]

By the way no matter what name you use David praised the god of Abraham. Many names for the same God including Jehovah.! But not Jesus Christ!

Posted by NezNative
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"Before Abraham was, I AM"
Jesus said "I come in my father''s name"
There is no other name under heaven, given amoung men by which we must be saved.
We Christians worship that God of Israel who came as the messiah, the christ, whom the Jews did not acknowledge. But they will one day. They think they are still waiting for his FIRST coming, but in truth, it will be his second coming.

[thefan08-2009]

to (twoctruth)

Your last post was idiotic. and like i said in one of my ealier post, if you are going to come on here and mouth out stupid words, then states fact. Osama bin landen was trained by the USA (and guess what there are videos to prove it), during the cold war, when we were trying to fight then USSR. whatever happened from that moment to where they want to destroy America all the time had nothing to do with Isreal. so please dont be a fool and state garbage on here.

The only reason Gods are created in the first place is because people were too stupid in biblical times to know what was happening in the world around them and also they were used by the rulers to gain control of their people.
Things today are different and can be explained with science.
Also another reason for the continued religious movement is one of people being in fear of the unknown. The appeal of life everlasting has taken on among the folks.
So far no one has been able to prove it exists.Yet people continue to pray to and believe in a man that is invisible that supposedly promised this.

Posted by demswin08
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Where you use the term "stupid", I would probably use the therm "ignorant".
Ignorance is simply not knowing.
Stupidity is willfully refusing to know. And I would suggest we gotta a lot of that around these days.
It does not go without notice that the "god" people will reject science when it reveals something that conflicts with their precious "beliefs", while at the same time eagerly embracing the fruits of that same science when it promotes health, extends life span, and, in general, makes this life better.
One of the many hypocrisies they''re stuck with in order to maintain their precious "beliefs".
Again - stupidity is "willfull ignorance". It''s alive and well in all those little and large churches everywhere.

We have to work 3 jobs at McDonalds so we can send billion dollar F16s to Israel to help them commit their ethnic cleansing crimes.

In return the Israelis have: spied on us, attacked the USS Liberty, assassinated Kennedy (he was opposed to their secret nuclear program, see john-f-kennedydotnet/mossadandtheassassi
nationdothtm), made us complicit in their crimes against humanity in their murder and theft of the Palestinians, and lied to and brainwashed us via their Neocon Israeli-firster dual citizenship agents to get us into Iraq -- so no Zionist boys would be lost and Israel wouldn''''t have to spend any of their own trillions to take out Iraq (which was never a threat to us, only to them).

Posted by twoctruth
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You work at MacDonalds, huh? No kiddin''....

(Sorry folks, I just couldn''t resist)

[wl7bzh]

One of the many hypocrisies they''''re stuck with in order to maintain their precious "beliefs".
Again - stupidity is "willfull ignorance". It''''s alive and well in all those little and large churches everywhere.

Posted by hadenough43 at 11:01 AM : Jan 04, 2009

Just for the sake of intellectual honesty, that stupidity that you consider "willful ignorance" wouldn''t have anything to do with lifestyle issues?

Or is that your principle objection-moral beliefs conflict with some lifestyle that you''re addicted to and can''t let go?

One of the many hypocrisies they''''''''re stuck with in order to maintain their precious "beliefs".
Again - stupidity is "willfull ignorance". It''''''''s alive and well in all those little and large churches everywhere.

Posted by hadenough43 at 11:01 AM : Jan 04, 2009

Just for the sake of intellectual honesty, that stupidity that you consider "willful ignorance" wouldn''''t have anything to do with lifestyle issues?

Or is that your principle objection-moral beliefs conflict with some lifestyle that you''''re addicted to and can''''t let go?

Posted by wl7bzh
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Huh???

[wl7bzh]

Moses was brown, Abraham was brown, Jesus was brown.

Posted by DebinOK1 at 10:36 AM : Jan 04, 2009

Yep, in the desert sun, you and I would probably be brown. But, were these guys black?

[wl7bzh]

Huh???

Posted by hadenough43 at 11:17 AM : Jan 04, 2009

Simply put, is your objection to religious or moral beliefs principally one of lifestyle?

[ohiolad]

As has been said often recently, there is a time for peace and a time for war, and now it is the time for war. The world has not reached a state in its societal evolution where these long-nurtured antagonisms can be resolved other than by armed conflict. Since Hamas is the aggressor in this conflict and the weaker of the two, it will be and should be crushed completely. Given the choice between civilization and barbarism the choice seems clear enough. What is baffling is why the liberal left in America and Europe have chosen to make a political alliance with the Islamofascist terrorists, since it would not appear on the surface that they have much in common. Or is the creation and maintenance of global anarchy reason enough?

Huh???

Posted by hadenough43 at 11:17 AM : Jan 04, 2009

Simply put, is your objection to religious or moral beliefs principally one of lifestyle?

Posted by wl7bzh
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The definition of intellectual honesty is that one''s core beliefs are consistent with the best evidence available to one at the time.

I don''t have any objections to any "beliefs", religious, moral, or otherwise - so long as they are intellectually honest.

[edward1975-2009]

When is the US going to rid ourselves of this useless organization, aside from being group that is outdated and has no real purpose, other than to rely on the US to be it''s private security force, they have no authority. I think maybe they should pack up and let some other country, say Iran, foot the bill for the next 50 or so years, but kindly pack your trash and forever leave our shores.

[wl7bzh]

core beliefs are consistent with the best evidence available
Posted by hadenough43 at 11:23 AM : Jan 04, 2009

Great! So does your best evidence of core beliefs of religion conflict with your lifestyle?

[shirajordan]

-continue-
They stash weapons; bombs etc. in hospitals, mosques, civil houses and schools exactly for this reason- they know that the Israeli army will not bomb those places. Over the years, they have dig tunnels between Egypt and Gaza to smuggle everything, including weapons which is being used against us.
The Israeli army has such advanced technologies they can surgically hit those places. And that is exactly what we are doing. The manipulations in the media, done by the Arabs are ridicules, at best.
Ask yourself- what would you do if your life was constantly under threat? Look at the map. Maybe that will help you grasp our geographic situation.
The purpose of the Israeli army is to defend. Not attack.
So next time you think about how miserable and poor the Palestinians are, and how powerful and evil the Israelis are- think again. Israel has left Gaza more than 3 (!) years ago- their chaos and fights among themselves are not our responsibility.
(Written by a left-wing Israeli who thinks terror should not win anywhere in the world).