June 28, 2009
How Technology May Soon "Read" Your Mind
60 Minutes: Incredible Research Lets Scientists Get A Glimpse At Your Thoughts
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Neuroscience has learned so much about how we think and the brain activity linked to certain thoughts that it is now possible - on a very basic scale - to read a person's mind. Lesley Stahl reports.
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How often have you wondered what your spouse is really thinking? Or your boss? Or the guy sitting across from you on the bus? We all take as a given that we'll never really know for sure. The content of our thoughts is our own - private, secret, and unknowable by anyone else. Until now, that is.
As 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl first reported in January, neuroscience research into how we think and what we're thinking is advancing at a stunning rate, making it possible for the first time in human history to peer directly into the brain to read out the physical make-up of our thoughts, some would say to read our minds.
The technology that is transforming what once was science fiction into just plain science is a specialized use of MRI scanning called "functional MRI," fMRI for short. It makes it possible to see what's going on inside the brain while people are thinking.
"You know, every time I walk into that scanner room and I see the person's brain appear on the screen, when I see those patterns, it is just incredible, unthinkable," neuroscientist Marcel Just told Stahl.
He calls it "thought identification."
Whatever you want to call it, what Just and his colleague Tom Mitchell at Carnegie Mellon University have done is combine fMRI's ability to look at the brain in action with computer science's new power to sort through massive amounts of data. The goal: to see if they could identify exactly what happens in the brain when people think specific thoughts.
They did an experiment where they asked subjects to think about ten objects - five of them tools like screwdriver and hammer, and five of them dwellings, like igloo and castle. They then recorded and analyzed the activity in the subjects' brains for each.
"The computer found the place in the brain where that person was thinking 'screwdriver'?" Stahl asked.
"Screwdriver isn't one place in the brain. It's many places in the brain. When you think of a screwdriver, you think about how you hold it, how you twist it, what it looks like, what you use it for," Just explained.
He told Stahl each of those functions are in different places.
When we think "screwdriver" or "igloo" for example, Just says neurons start firing at varying levels of intensity in different areas throughout the brain. "And we found that we could identify which object they were thinking about from their brain activation patterns," he said.
"We're identifying the thought that's occurring. It's…incredible, just incredible," he added.
"Are you saying that if you think of a hammer, that your brain is identical to my brain when I think of a hammer?" Stahl asked.
"Not identical. We have idiosyncrasies. Maybe I've had a bad experience with a hammer and you haven't, but it's close enough to identify each other's thoughts. So, you know, that was never known before," Just explained.
60 Minutes asked if his team was up for a challenge: would they take associate producer Meghan Frank, whose brain had never been scanned before, and see if the computer could identify her thoughts? Just and Mitchell agreed to give it a try and see if they could do it in almost real time.
Just said nobody had ever done an instant analysis like this.
Inside the scanner, Meghan was shown a series of ten items and asked to think for a few seconds about each one.
"If it all comes out right, when she's thinking 'hammer,' the computer will know she's thinking 'hammer'?" Stahl asked.
"Right," Mitchell replied.
Within minutes, the computer, unaware of what pictures Meghan had been shown and working only from her brain activity patterns as read out by the scanner, was ready to tell us, in its own voice, what it believed was the first object Meghan had been thinking about.
The computer correctly analyzed the first three words - knife, hammer, and window, and aced the rest as well.
According to Just, this is just the beginning.
"Who knows what you're gonna be able to read," Stahl commented. "A little scary, actually."
"Well, that's our research program for the next five years," Just said. "To see what, you know - we're not satisfied with "hammer."
And neither are neuroscientists 4,000 miles away in Berlin at the Bernstein Center. John Dylan-Haynes is hard at work there using the scanner not just to identify objects people are thinking about, but to read their intentions.
Subjects were asked to make a simple decision - whether to add or subtract two numbers they would be shown later on. Haynes found he could read directly from the activity in a small part of the brain that controls intentions what they had decided to do.
"This is a kind of blown up version of the brain activity happening here. And you can see that if a person is planning to add or to subtract, the pattern of brain activity is different in these two cases," Haynes explained.
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See all 62 CommentsThis technology has the possibility of making our justice system work. Implement the technology everyone gets hooked up including the judge, jury, prosecutor, defendant, witnesses etc. Anyone not consenting automatically is disqualified or imprisoned (ie: Defendant). I would go to court just to watch the minute by minute battles a lawyer would have telling the truth for more than 1 sentence in a row. Seeing a judges or DA's true motives, that could be downright informative. :-)
How about those with chemical inbalances...and the unknown thousands of other issues that the brain controls?
Don''t read my thoughts, fix what ails me!
I want to know where to sign up for this! I have lived in chronic pain since ''94 having had 5 back surgeries and also suffer from depression. (gee, I wonder why!!)
We can''t stop technological advances, so we should start preparing now for how to deal with a time when, for example, a person can unknowingly have her political opinions reprogrammed.
It used to be thought that vision was too complicated to understand, but that turned out to be basic protein signaling. Now we''re in a vast frontier of learning about the connection between electrical signals and "I".
now there''s an oxymoron! pun intended.
Although the cover may be that certain questions can''t be asked for fear of Violating National Security, there are questions that could be asked that would be revealing, & in the case of corporate scammers including the likes of Bernie Madoff, "LETS START AT THE TOP."
It would be the best way to judge this technology
ZW
And what of actors who feel and believe situations in their minds that may be recalled if they were under suspicion of a crime.
I think this is dangerous territory morally and ethically, easily open to abuse.
Someone with a good imagination better look out if the government, employers or corporations start using this technology. I don''t want to fear my government when I''m day-dreaming or if I''m working on an elaborate horror novel or murder mystery. Coaches shouldn''t have to worry that the other team can know their plays by reading minds. Employees shouldn''t have to worry about being fired if they secretly think the boss should be kicked to the curb. The potential for misuse and harm is great if people have their brains scanned for thoughts without their permission.
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Posted by zzy-izzy at 06:41 AM
Sorry, cannot happen. There actually has to be a brain to scan.
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Posted by comeon11 at 07:15 AM : Jan 05, 2009
You must not have seen this on 60 minutes. It''s actually pretty cool (as long as it is used for it''s intended purpose--usually the downfall of most of the good things we have). Lets say for instance, you have a prosthetic arm or leg; a device such as this could allow your brain to communicate with the limb. It is truly a marvel of science.
Posted by pythoncharly at 01:20 AM : Jan 05, 2009
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Ah yes, the real LIEberal dream - re-education camps for their political opponents.
be subjected to this devious thought-
detecting brain scan will have to wait
till Roberts and Scalia are gone.
Posted by oldone61 at 08:48 AM
You mean like Gitmo?
Posted by earache4 at 08:56 AM : Jan 05, 2009
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Last time I checked, the people in GITMO did more than vote - they were engaged in an effort to kill us. But I guess you''d be OK with political re-education camps for those who vote in a politically incorrect manner.
This is the beginning of the thought police. If you don''t think so, just wait for the first case of sexual harassment in the workplace by THINKING ABOUT IT! Then will come the profiling, the same way online-marketers build "cyber-personas" of us by examining a few clues into how we think. People who think outside the norm will be eyed with suspicion.
Queue the muzak, please...!
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You''ll never look at your cell phone the same way again.
I kept getting unsettling visions of "1984" when the "Thought Police" probed your mind to find out what your weaknesses were, and then used it against you!
If scientists can find out what you are thinking now or 5 years from now, ultimately someone will discover how to take control of a person''s mind and turn the person into a lifeless robot!
One can imagine how such technology could be used in the hands of an Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin, or even a Great Emperor George Bush II and VP Darth Vader Cheney!!!
Why can''t scientists look into more meaningful questions, like what came first, the chicken or the egg?
SIG HEIL, I ALWAYS WANTED PEOPLE TO THINK LIKE I DO!!!, BUSH!!!
Humans think so much faster than a computer could put together the though process that by the time it''s detected "I have a bomb", the passenger will already be on the plane.
If they build these "mind reading" computers with Windows, it''ll never work properly.
Posted by oldone61 at 11:23 AM : Jan 05, 2009
I guess I would...if that manner were in fact politically INCORRECT.
HAHA
SIG HEIL, I ALWAYS WANTED PEOPLE TO THINK LIKE I DO!!!, BUSH!!!
Posted by walt1944 at 01:33 PM : Jan 05, 2009
So...what''s your suggestion, halt research? That will simply never work...you need to learn to live with humanities pension for innovation. That doesn''t mean it won''t one day invade your privacy or blow you up, but there''s no stemming the tide of thought. These things will happen...better we figure it out first.
Don''t wait, order it now! Operators are standing by...
This is probably the MOST SIGNIFICANT legal method for ensuring that RSO''s pay, pay, and pay for their crimes. I am going to forward this research to the Adam Walsh Foundation, the Jessica Lundsford supporters, and to every *** offender organization in the United States and MANDATE that ALL *** OFFENDERS submit to the testing, and to be incarcerated if findings prove...PROVE!...that they will offend again.
There is a desperate need in the global society to develop some "common sense" rules of living in the analog/digital age. Watch TV. There are so many questions and so few answers. We have a position on this issue which can be helpful. ~~~~~Videography Lab
Rumor has it that about 40 years ago a CBS news crew that attempted to say a lot more suffered a nasty fate.
Do the terms "evoked response" and "third degree program" still resonate with anyone? Hopefully the invisible
wars of the last few decades have finally sorted things out. It is my understanding that Britannia still rules the
(brain) waves.
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