Israel Prepares For Next "Phase" In Gaza

Prime Minister Says Aerial Attack Was "First Of Several" Tactics As Offensive Reaches Turning Point

(CBS/AP)  Israeli aircraft kept up a relentless string of assaults on Hamas-ruled Gaza on Tuesday, smashing a government complex, security installations and the home of a top militant commander as thousands of Israeli ground troops, backed by tanks and artillery, massed along the border, waiting for a signal to attack.

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert told President Shimon Peres on Tuesday that the current, aerial phase of the operation is "the first of several" that have been approved, an Olmert spokesman said.

That statement indicated a change in tactics near on the horizon.

CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips, reporting from the Gaza-Israel border, said the Israeli campaign in Gaza was approaching a turning point Tuesday: "Either keep up the bombing and augment it with ground operations, or declare that the massive retaliation for rocket fire into Israel has done enough damage to force Hamas into another cease fire - or at least what the Israelis call a lower level of terror."

But, said Phillips, the killing of three more Israelis by Hamas rockets on Monday and overnight may have firmed up Tel Aviv's plans.

Four Israelis have now been killed by Hamas rocket fire since the assault began, and the fact one of the deaths occurred in the port city of Ashdod is a worrying sign that the range of Hamas missiles is increasing.

The recent image of an Israeli cabinet minister taking shelter under a car in an Israeli city is not the outcome that was foreseen by those who planned this operation, reported Phillips.

Israel says it is prepared for "long weeks of action."

The ground option is on the table, it's relevant," said Israeli Army spokeswoman Major Avital Leibovich. "Currently we continue with the aircraft operation, however, we have troops on alert along the border and other places in the country ready if we need to call them."

Warplanes launched their bruising offensive on Saturday after the Islamic Hamas defied Israel's warnings that it would not stand for the rocket barrages on southern Israel that resumed nearly two months ago, toward the end of a recently expired truce.

More than 360 Palestinians have been killed, most of them members of Hamas security forces but at least 64 of them civilians, according to U.N. figures. The toll includes two sisters, aged 4 and 11, who perished in an airstrike on a rocket squad in northern Gaza on Tuesday.

As the death toll rises, so does pressure from the International community on Israel.

CBS News foreign affairs analyst Pamela Falk reported that U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon on Monday called the escalation of violence unacceptable and demanded an immediate ceasefire.

Photos: Israel Targets Hamas
Israeli soldiers sit atop a tank at a staging area near Israel's border with the Gaza Strip, in southern Israel, Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2008. (AP)

“The Secretary General said he has condemned Hamas in the past and now he is condemning Israel for excessive use of force,” reported Falk. Ban's remarks came after the U.N. compound in Gaza was hit in a missile strike, killing eight teenage student trainers and a U.N. staff member.

While Israel has dropped tons of bombs on the Gaza Strip in an unprecedented show of force to make Hamas stop rocket attacks, it has not said it will try to topple the Islamic militants who have ruled the territory for 18 months.

CBS News correspondent Sheila MacVicar reported on the history of Gaza under Hamas rule - a history which made the present conflict seem inevitable. (Click here to watch the video.)

Such a limited definition of goals gives Israel considerable flexibility in deciding when to end the assault, especially if international pressure mounts, while still calling it a success, wrote Associated Press reporter Karin Laub, in an analysis of the current conflict.

But this guarded approach also offers Hamas good survival odds, even if the onslaught leaves it badly weakened.

Israel's unwillingness to reoccupy Gaza or openly try to install a new ruler there gives Hamas considerable leverage in future cease-fire negotiations.

(CBS)

In exchange for calm on Israel's border, Hamas demands an end to the crippling blockade imposed by Israel and Egypt after the Hamas takeover of Gaza 18 months ago. Hamas, which won 2006 parliamentary elections, seized control after a power-sharing agreement with the rival Fatah movement collapsed in violence.

Ending the blockade could help Hamas recover quickly and prolong its rule indefinitely. That, in turn, would all but destroy prospects of an Israeli-Palestinian peace deal.

Israel has been negotiating for the past year with Hamas' rival, moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls the West Bank. However, Israel says it cannot implement an agreement as long as the Iranian-backed Hamas, sworn to Israel's destruction, controls half of what would be a Palestinian state.

Domestic politics is also playing an underlying role in Israel's handling of the military operation. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's term is up in February, and his party will face former leader Benjamin Netanyahu in the polls.

Netanyahu, now the leader of the hardline political opposition, told CBS' The Early Show he has vowed to support the government's decisions in the current conflict, but he has taken a much harder stance on Hamas for years - a stance that could win him support if this fighting isn't resolved as a perceived win for Israel.

While Olmert's government has said toppling Hamas in Gaza is not an objective, Netanyahu told The Early Show: "Ultimately, we'll have to remove that regime. Not necessarily right away, but ultimately that will have to be done."

It all complicates the matter exponentially for President-elect Barack Obama, who vowed during his campaign to make Mideast peace a cornerstone of his foreign policy.

Obama's foreign policy advisers are lying low out of deference to President George W. Bush and are refusing to speak to the implications of Israel's three-day-old operation in the volatile Gaza Strip. But transition aides are being briefed by Bush administration officials and quietly pondering its effects.

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice has had "direct conversations" about the situation with both Obama and her designated successor, Hillary Rodham Clinton, the State Department said Monday. An Obama aide said the president-elect would be discussing the matter with Clinton and his choice to be national security adviser, retired Gen. James Jones.

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by lordsuntzu December 30, 2008 6:42 AM PST

There is still hope..


GET RID OF THE HAMAS AND THE LIBERALS

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by plutoboy December 30, 2008 6:47 AM PST

Stop Israeli apartheid!!!

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by sowhat99-2009 December 30, 2008 7:03 AM PST

I don''t understand. If my neighbor hates me, why would I want to rocket his back yard and kill his kids? especially if he has nukes while I only have fire crackers. Palestinians make no sense. Israel brings tanks to a fight while Palestine brings rocks. That''s suicide. Go ahead. Kill yourself for allah. Enjoy your virgins.

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by larryhammick December 30, 2008 7:10 AM PST

I presume the Israelis want to put the Rafah tunnels out of business for good. That would involve finding the entrances on the Gaza end, which are doubtless concealed in "civilian" structures.

Good riddance to Hamas, and the Gazans who elected Hamas are just reaping what they sowed.

I leave the recreational mourning to others.

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by samael2014 December 30, 2008 7:25 AM PST

Israel has been negotiating for the past year with Hamas'' rival, moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls the West Bank. However, Israel says it cannot implement an agreement as long as the Iranian-backed Hamas, sworn to Israel''s destruction, controls half of what would be a Palestinian state.

You''ll notice there are NO QUOTES here or throughout most of what would be perceived by a well-trained journalist as straight-forward propaganda.

That''s pretty much where we''re at with the "free press" in this stage of America''s rapid devolution.

It''s like the reason''s for leaving if you''re under the age of thirty are driven more by fear than fortune, and right now standing at the edge of an abyss, an event horizon, with a Republican parasite baby-boomer retirement driven hell at it''s epicenter, these *** have carved out an America that is there''s and there''s ALONE, greedily reaching on to hold you in, and not giving an inch.

It''s time to make your move. What will you do, stay or go? Now or later? The stampede is mounting, it gets worse for those who wait.

It''s your life, you have extreme upward mobility right out of college and there are countries around the world who respect liberty and freedom enough to not lie about it, and they want highly educated and motivated young taxpayers too. But they want you less the older you get.

So decide now. For God''s sake make the right decision, but make it soon.

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by scorpie79 December 30, 2008 7:27 AM PST

If I were an Isreali or even an American Jew, i''d be so embarrassed I wouldn''t admit it right now.

These people are so self-absorbed and arrogant, they actually justify killing 300+ people because they lost 4 jews.

What a sickning and gross country they are. When will the American public stop being forcefeed this BS about Isreal having a "special relationship" with us.

When will people start realizing that the special relaionship is really "America on puppet strings, and the puppeteer is Isreal."

The single worst blunder the U.S. government ever made in our countries'' history is the creation of that state..

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by samael2014 December 30, 2008 7:29 AM PST

And if you''re getting all your news from American mainstream "journalism" like the AP or CBSnews, for christ''s sake it''s the internet... look AROUND.

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by scorpie79 December 30, 2008 7:31 AM PST

Isreal will cause WWIII

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 7:44 AM PST

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force then, heck, it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

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by country1st December 30, 2008 7:49 AM PST

Hamas is at a self proclaimed war against Israel, launching missiles daily, building up weapons. Hamas knows that Israel will react this way because it is suicidal not to. Hamas knows their people, children, women will be killed as a result because the Hamas terrorists hide amongst the regular population. They plan this as a way to sacrifice their people as props in the world media campaign against Israel. It is no different to them than using their children and women as suicide bombers. If you are upset in seeing innocents killed I suggest you turn your anger against Hamas who would do this as a "legitimate" method in their propaganda war against Israel%u2019s right to exist. International pressure on Hamas to co-exist with Israel is the only resolution if you are really interested in seeing this end.

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by sdemaggie December 30, 2008 7:50 AM PST

You know, it''s sad that all the treasure the West has given the Palestinians over the years out of a sense of the injustice suffered by the Palestinians is wasted by the ruling juntas of the Palestians on weapons. Live by the sword-die by the sword. I for one applaud the Israeli effort to bring a form of governement back to the Palestinains which is not based solely on force.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 7:53 AM PST

The Israeli''s are doing what the Palestinians are too cowardly to do, and that is rid the world as well as themselves of Hamas. 300 Hamas/Palestinians are dead and only a handful of Israeli''s are dead. Is anybody really idiotic enough to think that Hamas is winning?

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 7:53 AM PST

Israel has been negotiating for the past year with Hamas'' rival, moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls the West Bank. However, Israel says it cannot implement an agreement as long as the Iranian-backed Hamas, sworn to Israel''s destruction, controls half of what would be a Palestinian state.
You''ll notice there are NO QUOTES here or throughout most of what would be perceived by a well-trained journalist as straight-forward propaganda.
Posted by samael2014 at 07:25 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Good point. After Abbas was elected president Israel had an entire year to come to an agreement with him. Abbas was elected after Arafat died and before Hamas gain some parliament seats a year after Abbas was elected president.
Isreal instead kept calling Abbas "irrelevant" and kept demanding the Palestinians come up with democratic institutions before they''re granted independence, a request made of no other country who ever gained their independence.
So they carried out parliamentary elections with Hamas winning some seats over there and then Israel began using Hamas as an excuse not to grant Palestinians their independence.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 7:55 AM PST

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force then, heck, it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

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by wardoglrs December 30, 2008 7:57 AM PST

The Zionist are sacrificing to there god. This truly is spiritual WarFare

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 7:57 AM PST

Hamas kept on and on breaking peace treaty after every peace treaty with the constant firing of missiles into southern Israel. And now they want to deceive the world into thinking that the Israeli''s are the aggressors. The sad thing is many will actually believe that.

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by kamsack50 December 30, 2008 8:00 AM PST

I''m so weary of the media (everywhere) portraying Palestine as innocent rock-throwing children. Why don''t they rout out the Hamas that''s using them as sacrificial shields? The same thing happened in Iraq. People know who the terrorists are, but they either idolize them or, more likely, fear them.
So, they let themselves get bombed.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:00 AM PST

Hamas is at a self proclaimed war against Israel, launching missiles daily, building up weapons. Hamas knows that Israel will react this way because it is suicidal not to. Hamas knows their people, children, women will be killed as a result because the Hamas terrorists hide amongst the regular population. They plan this as a way to sacrifice their people as props in the world media campaign against Israel. It is no different to them than using their children and women as suicide bombers. If you are upset in seeing innocents killed I suggest you turn your anger against Hamas who would do this as a "legitimate" method in their propaganda war against Israel%u2019s right to exist. International pressure on Hamas to co-exist with Israel is the only resolution if you are really interested in seeing this end.


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Posted by Country1st

Well said.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:02 AM PST

Hamas kept on and on breaking peace treaty after every peace treaty with the constant firing of missiles into southern Israel. And now they want to deceive the world into thinking that the Israeli''''s are the aggressors. The sad thing is many will actually believe that.
Posted by claytonantho at 07:57 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Hamas has had ceasfire agreements with Israel in the past and had kept those ceasefires meticulously. If anyone threw a rocket at Israel during those ceasefires it wasn''t Hamas.
If anyone broke the ceasefire agreements was Israel. During the last ceasefire agreement Israel had with Hamas, for example, Israel killed 49 Palestinians and Hams didn''t throw any rockets or killed any Israelis.
Israel also refused to live up to the terms of the agreement and end the siege of Gaza.

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by wardoglrs December 30, 2008 8:04 AM PST

Here is a simple, stone cold fact. You cannot read or hear the truth about what is happening in Gaza from any corporate media in the United States. The only thing you will find there are regurgitations of Israeli spin, which are themselves only regurgitations of the kind of spin that American militarists have put on their own depredations -- for centuries now. Up and down the American media and political establishments, you will find nothing but bleatings about Israel being "forced" to launch its vicious blunderbuss attacks against heavily populated Gaza because of the "recent spate of Hamas bombings" since the end of a six-month ceasefire.

This is of course a damnable and deliberate lie. Papers in Israel -- in Israel, but not the United States -- are reporting the truth: the murderous assault on Gaza was planned not only before the six-month ceasefire ended -- it was planned before the cease-fire even took effect. Indeed, the cease-fire was part of the military plan to decimate the civilian areas of Gaza; it was a hoax, a scam, a deliberate feint to buy time for military preparations -- precisely the same strategy followed by the Bush Regime (and its bipartisan Establishment supporters) in "going to the UN" to seek a "peaceful solution" to the "Iraqi crisis" -- when the invasion was already in the works.

Haaretz reports on the Israel''s deceit in the latest outrage, in the aptly titled piece, "Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about":

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:04 AM PST

It''s amazing to see how in 2008 some people have the same mentality colonial powers had back in the 1800''s and the 1900''s and call anyone who resist their rule a "terrorist".
Very sad.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:05 AM PST

Hamas has had ceasfire agreements with Israel in the past and had kept those ceasefires meticulously. If anyone threw a rocket at Israel during those ceasefires it wasn''''t Hamas.
If anyone broke the ceasefire agreements was Israel. During the last ceasefire agreement Israel had with Hamas, for example, Israel killed 49 Palestinians and Hams didn''''t throw any rockets or killed any Israelis.
Israel also refused to live up to the terms of the agreement and end the siege of Gaza.


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Posted by closethippy1

Like I said yesterday to some other gullible Hamas-backer, what newspaper did you read that from, the Terrorist Daily or the Taliban Journal???

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:07 AM PST

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force, heck, then it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

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by catlmi1 December 30, 2008 8:08 AM PST

I reckon if those nasty Canadians were lobbing rockets into New York state, killing women and children as they went about their business, you freakin'' liberals wouldn''t be hollerin'' for ''restraint'' then.... but yeah, you probably would. You people make me sick.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:08 AM PST

It''''s amazing to see how in 2008 some people have the same mentality colonial powers had back in the 1800''''s and the 1900''''s and call anyone who resist their rule a "terrorist".
Very sad.


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Posted by closethippy1

It is amazing you don''t know history and make inadequate historical comparisons. If I keep throwing ******* in your backyard and heed no warnings from you, you mean to tell me that you would not eventually get tired and not retaliate? Hamas is only getting what they deserve because of the ******* they keep throwing.

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by vcofreason December 30, 2008 8:11 AM PST

For a people who claim to live in the "cradle of civilization" and to be soooooo holy, they think nothing of blowing each other up. The pictures of bleeding children and blown apart bodies are sickening. The warmongers of this world should be ashamed of themselves, but they''re not. Sick.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:12 AM PST

For a people who claim to live in the "cradle of civilization" and to be soooooo holy, they think nothing of blowing each other up. The pictures of bleeding children and blown apart bodies are sickening. The warmongers of this world should be ashamed of themselves, but they''''re not. Sick.


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Posted by VcofReason

Sounds like Hamas and the Palestinians to me.

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by wardoglrs December 30, 2008 8:12 AM PST

Long-term preparation, careful gathering of information, secret discussions, operational deception and the misleading of the public - all these stood behind the Israel Defense Forces "Cast Lead" operation against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, which began Saturday morning. he disinformation effort, according to defense officials, took Hamas by surprise and served to significantly increase the number of its casualties in the strike.

Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas. According to the sources, Barak maintained that although the lull would allow Hamas to prepare for a showdown with Israel, the Israeli army needed time to prepare, as well..

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by centerfall94 December 30, 2008 8:15 AM PST

I don''t see one terrorist state, I see two: Israel and those under Hamas. One has sophisticated weapons and superior firepower and can wipe out their enemy from a nice clean distance. The other can throw rocks, stones, and laugh primitive little rockets blindly into enemy territory.

To be honest, I don''t feel sorry for either of them. I only feel sorry for the USA because we armed one. Are we not complicit? Time for us to leave the middle east to the religious nuts that live there. Peace does not come from religion.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:15 AM PST

I reckon if those nasty Canadians were lobbing rockets into New York state, killing women and children as they went about their business, you freakin'' liberals wouldn''t be hollerin'' for ''''restraint'''' then.... but yeah, you probably would. You people make me sick.
Posted by cpp1mdc at 08:08 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Canadians are not being occupied by the US. Isreal is not only occupying and besieging Palestinian lands but is also in violation of at least 19 articles of the Geneva Conventions.

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by catlmi1 December 30, 2008 8:19 AM PST

But, closethippy1, as usual you, being a liberal, live in a world of ''what I think should be'' instead of ''what is''. Israel is there, Israel is not going anywhere. If a mean dog was sleeping in my yard, I''d have to accept the fact that it was there and not poke it with a sharp stick and be suprised when it bit back.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:21 AM PST

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force, heck, then it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

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by wardoglrs December 30, 2008 8:26 AM PST

And while the Bush Administration is unreservedly in support of the attacks, the incoming Obama Administration, just weeks from inauguration, is using it%u2019s default cop-out excuse to avoid commenting, with David Axelrod declaring that %u201Conly one president can speak for America,%u201D and %u201Cthat president now is George W. Bush.%u201D

But for the rest of the world, outside of the US and British governments, most urge both sides of the conflict to stop their attacks and return to the bargaining table. Israeli Foreign Minister Livni lashed out at the calls for peace, demanding that the international community %u201Csupport things that are not easy to support,%u201D in this case the evisceration of the Gaza Strip. She insist

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by wardoglrs December 30, 2008 8:26 AM PST

When Secretary of State Rice declared Hamas responsible for all the killings in Israel%u2019s attacks on the Gaza Strip, it was easy to dismiss it as an expression of the Bush Administration%u2019s %u201Cspecial relationship%u201D with the Israeli government and knee-jerk support for any killings with the word terrorist remotely linked to them. Yet it seems there may have been a more practical concern of culpability at play.

When he Israeli government was bombing every police station in the densely populated strip, some of those attacks were coming by way of US-supplied GBU-39 smart bombs. It is unclear how many of the hundreds of people killed in the Gaza Strip in the past 48 hours died at the hands of American munitions, but to the extent that the carnage has gotten some television coverage in the United States, direct American involvement is likely to be unpopular with a war-weary nation.

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by samael2014 December 30, 2008 8:28 AM PST

Posted by Country1st at 07:49 AM : Dec 30, 2008

How about this? INSTEAD of listening to YOUR CHEAP AND DISMAL propaganda campaign supporting something that the even the God of the Israelites would not, we do this.

The international community simply starts flying in VAST QUANTITIES of humanitarian aid AND U.N. Peacekeepers into the Gaza strip, and we in the international community REJECT any further attempts to not uphold the democratically elected government of Palestine, and respond to further confrontation from either side. WE in America would then eliminate further tax-payer support for Israel, and provide infrastructure and technology improvements to make Palestine a thriving nation. We REJECT further claims that Hamas is a terrorist organization UNLESS this is an issue of warrant as DETERMINED and INVESTIGATED by the U.N. presence there for any individuals involved who are then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Any objections to that? All you have to ask yourself is why the U.N. isn''t flying in IMMENSE QUANTITIES of international support and relief RIGHT NOW to realize that this is INDEED a war of propaganda in VIOLATION of U.N. charter.

I mean they''re calling this an "operation" now. This has Bush administration''s grubby hands all over it, and it''s continue defiance of international law.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:28 AM PST

RETURN ALL STOLEN LANDS TO MEXICO!! CALIFORNIA,ARIZONA,TEJAS,NEW MEXICO,NEVADA,COLORADO.
Posted by Hackerpc at 08:21 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Mexico is not demanding the return of those lands. Mexico recognizes US borders.
In Gaza and the West Bank there''s an ongoing Israeli military occupation and that needs to come to an end. Israel also has never defined its borders so they feel free to take any land they want and, again, that has come to an end.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:30 AM PST

Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas were stolen from Mexico..What country will evict the european thieves from the USA stolen land?


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Posted by Hackerpc

To put it bluntly, NOBODY!!!

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by iamhungry68 December 30, 2008 8:34 AM PST

"Israel Prepares For Next "Phase" In Gaza"





"Next Phase", huh?


I guess this is their version of Hitler''s "Final Solution".

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by wardoglrs December 30, 2008 8:34 AM PST

On the afternoon of February 7, rockets rained down on the northern Israeli town of Nahariya, and were immediately described by Israeli police as Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

Later in the same day, the attack was described as the result of ''human error'' involving a failed test by an Israeli weapons manufacturer in the area.
Webmaster''s Commentary:

As Israel screams that they are being attacked by someone, remember that Israel has a habit of shooting missiles at itself to justify attacking their neighbors.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:37 AM PST

Mexico is not demanding the return of those lands. Mexico recognizes US borders.
In Gaza and the West Bank there''''s an ongoing Israeli military occupation and that needs to come to an end. Israel also has never defined its borders so they feel free to take any land they want and, again, that has come to an end.


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Posted by closethippy1

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:39 AM PST

On the afternoon of February 7, rockets rained down on the northern Israeli town of Nahariya, and were immediately described by Israeli police as Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.
Later in the same day, the attack was described as the result of ''''human error'''' involving a failed test by an Israeli weapons manufacturer in the area.
Webmaster''''s Commentary:
As Israel screams that they are being attacked by someone, remember that Israel has a habit of shooting missiles at itself to justify attacking their neighbors.
Posted by WarDogLRS at 08:34 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Israel has a long history of doing this sort of things. They bombed one of their refugee boats escaping the war in Europe, they bombed Jewish synagogues in Iraq to scare Iraqi Jews into emigrating to Israel, they were the ones who invented the car bomb and were the first ones to use it, they invented the letter bomb and the firs ones to use it, they were also the first ones to destroy a civilian airplane as it flew over Egypt, that happened back in 1973.

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by iamhungry68 December 30, 2008 8:39 AM PST

Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas were stolen from Mexico..What country will evict the european thieves from the USA stolen land?

Posted by Hackerpc at 08:28 AM : Dec 30, 2008






As has been explained to several times already, Mexico ATTACKED America, to start the Mexican-American war. They started to lose, so they signed an agreement that gave America Texas, California, and Arizona.


When did ANY representative of the Palestinians EVER have the chance to negotiate a "treaty" on the Palestinians behalf?

The UN said, "Here''s resolution 181 - live with it."




Israel and Palestine is NOTHING like Mexico and America, *******!!!

I can''t believe how INTENTIONALLY IGNORANT you are about your own country''s history!!

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by iamhungry68 December 30, 2008 8:43 AM PST

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.

Posted by claytonantho at 08:37 AM : Dec 30, 2008





NO KIDDING!

If Israel gives back all of the land that was stolen, that would obviously mean that Israel would no longer exist, since ALL of the land was stolen in the first place!

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:44 AM PST

Will somebody please tell those silly-looking Palestinians children that the Stone Age is over. They look pretty ridiculous throwing rocks at well-armed soldiers, tanks, and warplanes. No wonder Hamas is getting its *** kicked.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:44 AM PST

Mexico is not demanding the return of those lands. Mexico recognizes US borders.
In Gaza and the West Bank there''''''''s an ongoing Israeli military occupation and that needs to come to an end. Israel also has never defined its borders so they feel free to take any land they want and, again, that has come to an end.
Posted by closethippy1

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.
Posted by claytonantho at 08:37 AM : Dec 30, 2008

What a weird, weird world. Sir, no one in the world has the right to take someone else''s land or occupy it for decades on end with the pretext that the people whose lands are being taken away will not recognize the people who took their land.
And please don''t forget that Palestine was destroyed by Israel back in 1948. It is after this fact that some Palestinians would like to do the same to Israel but that can be solved with the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:45 AM PST

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''''''''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''''''''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''''''''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.

Posted by claytonantho at 08:37 AM : Dec 30, 2008





NO KIDDING!

If Israel gives back all of the land that was stolen, that would obviously mean that Israel would no longer exist, since ALL of the land was stolen in the first place!


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Posted by IamHungry68

You UNINTENTIONALLY made my point. Thank you.

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by iamhungry68 December 30, 2008 8:46 AM PST

so they signed an agreement that gave America Texas, California, and Arizona.Posted by IamHungry68 "GAVE"? are you friggin DRUNK? imbecile!!

Posted by Hackerpc at 08:41 AM : Dec 30, 2008






No you friggin'' idiot!!

Google "Mexican-American War"!!

Then Google "The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo"!!

History revisionist, ignorant, brainless, incompetent moron!!! I''ve explained this to you 5 times - at least!!!

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by claytonantho December 30, 2008 8:47 AM PST

What a weird, weird world. Sir, no one in the world has the right to take someone else''''s land or occupy it for decades on end with the pretext that the people whose lands are being taken away will not recognize the people who took their land.
And please don''''t forget that Palestine was destroyed by Israel back in 1948. It is after this fact that some Palestinians would like to do the same to Israel but that can be solved with the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.


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Posted by closethippy1

Your wrong and history shows it in many ways. I don''t see an uprising by Native Americans to drive Europeans out of America nor do I see Black South Africans attempting to drive White South Africans out of South Africa.

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by iamhungry68 December 30, 2008 8:47 AM PST

Will somebody please tell those silly-looking Palestinians children that the Stone Age is over. They look pretty ridiculous throwing rocks at well-armed soldiers, tanks, and warplanes. No wonder Hamas is getting its *** kicked.

Posted by claytonantho at 08:44 AM : Dec 30, 2008





Who made the Israeli''s "well armed"?

Now you know why we were attacked on 9/11.

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by closethippy1 December 30, 2008 8:48 AM PST

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force then, heck, it''''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

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[lordsuntzu]

There is still hope..


GET RID OF THE HAMAS AND THE LIBERALS

[plutoboy]

Stop Israeli apartheid!!!

[sowhat99-2009]

I don''t understand. If my neighbor hates me, why would I want to rocket his back yard and kill his kids? especially if he has nukes while I only have fire crackers. Palestinians make no sense. Israel brings tanks to a fight while Palestine brings rocks. That''s suicide. Go ahead. Kill yourself for allah. Enjoy your virgins.

[larryhammick]

I presume the Israelis want to put the Rafah tunnels out of business for good. That would involve finding the entrances on the Gaza end, which are doubtless concealed in "civilian" structures.

Good riddance to Hamas, and the Gazans who elected Hamas are just reaping what they sowed.

I leave the recreational mourning to others.

[samael2014]

Israel has been negotiating for the past year with Hamas'' rival, moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls the West Bank. However, Israel says it cannot implement an agreement as long as the Iranian-backed Hamas, sworn to Israel''s destruction, controls half of what would be a Palestinian state.

You''ll notice there are NO QUOTES here or throughout most of what would be perceived by a well-trained journalist as straight-forward propaganda.

That''s pretty much where we''re at with the "free press" in this stage of America''s rapid devolution.

It''s like the reason''s for leaving if you''re under the age of thirty are driven more by fear than fortune, and right now standing at the edge of an abyss, an event horizon, with a Republican parasite baby-boomer retirement driven hell at it''s epicenter, these *** have carved out an America that is there''s and there''s ALONE, greedily reaching on to hold you in, and not giving an inch.

It''s time to make your move. What will you do, stay or go? Now or later? The stampede is mounting, it gets worse for those who wait.

It''s your life, you have extreme upward mobility right out of college and there are countries around the world who respect liberty and freedom enough to not lie about it, and they want highly educated and motivated young taxpayers too. But they want you less the older you get.

So decide now. For God''s sake make the right decision, but make it soon.

[scorpie79]

If I were an Isreali or even an American Jew, i''d be so embarrassed I wouldn''t admit it right now.

These people are so self-absorbed and arrogant, they actually justify killing 300+ people because they lost 4 jews.

What a sickning and gross country they are. When will the American public stop being forcefeed this BS about Isreal having a "special relationship" with us.

When will people start realizing that the special relaionship is really "America on puppet strings, and the puppeteer is Isreal."

The single worst blunder the U.S. government ever made in our countries'' history is the creation of that state..

[samael2014]

And if you''re getting all your news from American mainstream "journalism" like the AP or CBSnews, for christ''s sake it''s the internet... look AROUND.

[scorpie79]

Isreal will cause WWIII

[closethippy1]

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force then, heck, it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

[country1st]

Hamas is at a self proclaimed war against Israel, launching missiles daily, building up weapons. Hamas knows that Israel will react this way because it is suicidal not to. Hamas knows their people, children, women will be killed as a result because the Hamas terrorists hide amongst the regular population. They plan this as a way to sacrifice their people as props in the world media campaign against Israel. It is no different to them than using their children and women as suicide bombers. If you are upset in seeing innocents killed I suggest you turn your anger against Hamas who would do this as a "legitimate" method in their propaganda war against Israel%u2019s right to exist. International pressure on Hamas to co-exist with Israel is the only resolution if you are really interested in seeing this end.

[sdemaggie]

You know, it''s sad that all the treasure the West has given the Palestinians over the years out of a sense of the injustice suffered by the Palestinians is wasted by the ruling juntas of the Palestians on weapons. Live by the sword-die by the sword. I for one applaud the Israeli effort to bring a form of governement back to the Palestinains which is not based solely on force.

[claytonantho]

The Israeli''s are doing what the Palestinians are too cowardly to do, and that is rid the world as well as themselves of Hamas. 300 Hamas/Palestinians are dead and only a handful of Israeli''s are dead. Is anybody really idiotic enough to think that Hamas is winning?

[closethippy1]

Israel has been negotiating for the past year with Hamas'' rival, moderate Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, who controls the West Bank. However, Israel says it cannot implement an agreement as long as the Iranian-backed Hamas, sworn to Israel''s destruction, controls half of what would be a Palestinian state.
You''ll notice there are NO QUOTES here or throughout most of what would be perceived by a well-trained journalist as straight-forward propaganda.
Posted by samael2014 at 07:25 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Good point. After Abbas was elected president Israel had an entire year to come to an agreement with him. Abbas was elected after Arafat died and before Hamas gain some parliament seats a year after Abbas was elected president.
Isreal instead kept calling Abbas "irrelevant" and kept demanding the Palestinians come up with democratic institutions before they''re granted independence, a request made of no other country who ever gained their independence.
So they carried out parliamentary elections with Hamas winning some seats over there and then Israel began using Hamas as an excuse not to grant Palestinians their independence.

[closethippy1]

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force then, heck, it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

[wardoglrs]

The Zionist are sacrificing to there god. This truly is spiritual WarFare

[claytonantho]

Hamas kept on and on breaking peace treaty after every peace treaty with the constant firing of missiles into southern Israel. And now they want to deceive the world into thinking that the Israeli''s are the aggressors. The sad thing is many will actually believe that.

[kamsack50]

I''m so weary of the media (everywhere) portraying Palestine as innocent rock-throwing children. Why don''t they rout out the Hamas that''s using them as sacrificial shields? The same thing happened in Iraq. People know who the terrorists are, but they either idolize them or, more likely, fear them.
So, they let themselves get bombed.

[claytonantho]

Hamas is at a self proclaimed war against Israel, launching missiles daily, building up weapons. Hamas knows that Israel will react this way because it is suicidal not to. Hamas knows their people, children, women will be killed as a result because the Hamas terrorists hide amongst the regular population. They plan this as a way to sacrifice their people as props in the world media campaign against Israel. It is no different to them than using their children and women as suicide bombers. If you are upset in seeing innocents killed I suggest you turn your anger against Hamas who would do this as a "legitimate" method in their propaganda war against Israel%u2019s right to exist. International pressure on Hamas to co-exist with Israel is the only resolution if you are really interested in seeing this end.


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Posted by Country1st

Well said.

[closethippy1]

Hamas kept on and on breaking peace treaty after every peace treaty with the constant firing of missiles into southern Israel. And now they want to deceive the world into thinking that the Israeli''''s are the aggressors. The sad thing is many will actually believe that.
Posted by claytonantho at 07:57 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Hamas has had ceasfire agreements with Israel in the past and had kept those ceasefires meticulously. If anyone threw a rocket at Israel during those ceasefires it wasn''t Hamas.
If anyone broke the ceasefire agreements was Israel. During the last ceasefire agreement Israel had with Hamas, for example, Israel killed 49 Palestinians and Hams didn''t throw any rockets or killed any Israelis.
Israel also refused to live up to the terms of the agreement and end the siege of Gaza.

[wardoglrs]

Here is a simple, stone cold fact. You cannot read or hear the truth about what is happening in Gaza from any corporate media in the United States. The only thing you will find there are regurgitations of Israeli spin, which are themselves only regurgitations of the kind of spin that American militarists have put on their own depredations -- for centuries now. Up and down the American media and political establishments, you will find nothing but bleatings about Israel being "forced" to launch its vicious blunderbuss attacks against heavily populated Gaza because of the "recent spate of Hamas bombings" since the end of a six-month ceasefire.

This is of course a damnable and deliberate lie. Papers in Israel -- in Israel, but not the United States -- are reporting the truth: the murderous assault on Gaza was planned not only before the six-month ceasefire ended -- it was planned before the cease-fire even took effect. Indeed, the cease-fire was part of the military plan to decimate the civilian areas of Gaza; it was a hoax, a scam, a deliberate feint to buy time for military preparations -- precisely the same strategy followed by the Bush Regime (and its bipartisan Establishment supporters) in "going to the UN" to seek a "peaceful solution" to the "Iraqi crisis" -- when the invasion was already in the works.

Haaretz reports on the Israel''s deceit in the latest outrage, in the aptly titled piece, "Disinformation, secrecy and lies: How the Gaza offensive came about":

[closethippy1]

It''s amazing to see how in 2008 some people have the same mentality colonial powers had back in the 1800''s and the 1900''s and call anyone who resist their rule a "terrorist".
Very sad.

[claytonantho]

Hamas has had ceasfire agreements with Israel in the past and had kept those ceasefires meticulously. If anyone threw a rocket at Israel during those ceasefires it wasn''''t Hamas.
If anyone broke the ceasefire agreements was Israel. During the last ceasefire agreement Israel had with Hamas, for example, Israel killed 49 Palestinians and Hams didn''''t throw any rockets or killed any Israelis.
Israel also refused to live up to the terms of the agreement and end the siege of Gaza.


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Posted by closethippy1

Like I said yesterday to some other gullible Hamas-backer, what newspaper did you read that from, the Terrorist Daily or the Taliban Journal???

[closethippy1]

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force, heck, then it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

[catlmi1]

I reckon if those nasty Canadians were lobbing rockets into New York state, killing women and children as they went about their business, you freakin'' liberals wouldn''t be hollerin'' for ''restraint'' then.... but yeah, you probably would. You people make me sick.

[claytonantho]

It''''s amazing to see how in 2008 some people have the same mentality colonial powers had back in the 1800''''s and the 1900''''s and call anyone who resist their rule a "terrorist".
Very sad.


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Posted by closethippy1

It is amazing you don''t know history and make inadequate historical comparisons. If I keep throwing ******* in your backyard and heed no warnings from you, you mean to tell me that you would not eventually get tired and not retaliate? Hamas is only getting what they deserve because of the ******* they keep throwing.

[vcofreason]

For a people who claim to live in the "cradle of civilization" and to be soooooo holy, they think nothing of blowing each other up. The pictures of bleeding children and blown apart bodies are sickening. The warmongers of this world should be ashamed of themselves, but they''re not. Sick.

[claytonantho]

For a people who claim to live in the "cradle of civilization" and to be soooooo holy, they think nothing of blowing each other up. The pictures of bleeding children and blown apart bodies are sickening. The warmongers of this world should be ashamed of themselves, but they''''re not. Sick.


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Posted by VcofReason

Sounds like Hamas and the Palestinians to me.

[wardoglrs]

Long-term preparation, careful gathering of information, secret discussions, operational deception and the misleading of the public - all these stood behind the Israel Defense Forces "Cast Lead" operation against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, which began Saturday morning. he disinformation effort, according to defense officials, took Hamas by surprise and served to significantly increase the number of its casualties in the strike.

Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas. According to the sources, Barak maintained that although the lull would allow Hamas to prepare for a showdown with Israel, the Israeli army needed time to prepare, as well..

[centerfall94]

I don''t see one terrorist state, I see two: Israel and those under Hamas. One has sophisticated weapons and superior firepower and can wipe out their enemy from a nice clean distance. The other can throw rocks, stones, and laugh primitive little rockets blindly into enemy territory.

To be honest, I don''t feel sorry for either of them. I only feel sorry for the USA because we armed one. Are we not complicit? Time for us to leave the middle east to the religious nuts that live there. Peace does not come from religion.

[closethippy1]

I reckon if those nasty Canadians were lobbing rockets into New York state, killing women and children as they went about their business, you freakin'' liberals wouldn''t be hollerin'' for ''''restraint'''' then.... but yeah, you probably would. You people make me sick.
Posted by cpp1mdc at 08:08 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Canadians are not being occupied by the US. Isreal is not only occupying and besieging Palestinian lands but is also in violation of at least 19 articles of the Geneva Conventions.

[catlmi1]

But, closethippy1, as usual you, being a liberal, live in a world of ''what I think should be'' instead of ''what is''. Israel is there, Israel is not going anywhere. If a mean dog was sleeping in my yard, I''d have to accept the fact that it was there and not poke it with a sharp stick and be suprised when it bit back.

[closethippy1]

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force, heck, then it''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.

[wardoglrs]

And while the Bush Administration is unreservedly in support of the attacks, the incoming Obama Administration, just weeks from inauguration, is using it%u2019s default cop-out excuse to avoid commenting, with David Axelrod declaring that %u201Conly one president can speak for America,%u201D and %u201Cthat president now is George W. Bush.%u201D

But for the rest of the world, outside of the US and British governments, most urge both sides of the conflict to stop their attacks and return to the bargaining table. Israeli Foreign Minister Livni lashed out at the calls for peace, demanding that the international community %u201Csupport things that are not easy to support,%u201D in this case the evisceration of the Gaza Strip. She insist

[wardoglrs]

When Secretary of State Rice declared Hamas responsible for all the killings in Israel%u2019s attacks on the Gaza Strip, it was easy to dismiss it as an expression of the Bush Administration%u2019s %u201Cspecial relationship%u201D with the Israeli government and knee-jerk support for any killings with the word terrorist remotely linked to them. Yet it seems there may have been a more practical concern of culpability at play.

When he Israeli government was bombing every police station in the densely populated strip, some of those attacks were coming by way of US-supplied GBU-39 smart bombs. It is unclear how many of the hundreds of people killed in the Gaza Strip in the past 48 hours died at the hands of American munitions, but to the extent that the carnage has gotten some television coverage in the United States, direct American involvement is likely to be unpopular with a war-weary nation.

[samael2014]

Posted by Country1st at 07:49 AM : Dec 30, 2008

How about this? INSTEAD of listening to YOUR CHEAP AND DISMAL propaganda campaign supporting something that the even the God of the Israelites would not, we do this.

The international community simply starts flying in VAST QUANTITIES of humanitarian aid AND U.N. Peacekeepers into the Gaza strip, and we in the international community REJECT any further attempts to not uphold the democratically elected government of Palestine, and respond to further confrontation from either side. WE in America would then eliminate further tax-payer support for Israel, and provide infrastructure and technology improvements to make Palestine a thriving nation. We REJECT further claims that Hamas is a terrorist organization UNLESS this is an issue of warrant as DETERMINED and INVESTIGATED by the U.N. presence there for any individuals involved who are then prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Any objections to that? All you have to ask yourself is why the U.N. isn''t flying in IMMENSE QUANTITIES of international support and relief RIGHT NOW to realize that this is INDEED a war of propaganda in VIOLATION of U.N. charter.

I mean they''re calling this an "operation" now. This has Bush administration''s grubby hands all over it, and it''s continue defiance of international law.

[closethippy1]

RETURN ALL STOLEN LANDS TO MEXICO!! CALIFORNIA,ARIZONA,TEJAS,NEW MEXICO,NEVADA,COLORADO.
Posted by Hackerpc at 08:21 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Mexico is not demanding the return of those lands. Mexico recognizes US borders.
In Gaza and the West Bank there''s an ongoing Israeli military occupation and that needs to come to an end. Israel also has never defined its borders so they feel free to take any land they want and, again, that has come to an end.

[claytonantho]

Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas were stolen from Mexico..What country will evict the european thieves from the USA stolen land?


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Posted by Hackerpc

To put it bluntly, NOBODY!!!

[iamhungry68]

"Israel Prepares For Next "Phase" In Gaza"





"Next Phase", huh?


I guess this is their version of Hitler''s "Final Solution".

[wardoglrs]

On the afternoon of February 7, rockets rained down on the northern Israeli town of Nahariya, and were immediately described by Israeli police as Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.

Later in the same day, the attack was described as the result of ''human error'' involving a failed test by an Israeli weapons manufacturer in the area.
Webmaster''s Commentary:

As Israel screams that they are being attacked by someone, remember that Israel has a habit of shooting missiles at itself to justify attacking their neighbors.

[claytonantho]

Mexico is not demanding the return of those lands. Mexico recognizes US borders.
In Gaza and the West Bank there''''s an ongoing Israeli military occupation and that needs to come to an end. Israel also has never defined its borders so they feel free to take any land they want and, again, that has come to an end.


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Posted by closethippy1

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.

[closethippy1]

On the afternoon of February 7, rockets rained down on the northern Israeli town of Nahariya, and were immediately described by Israeli police as Katyusha rockets fired by Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.
Later in the same day, the attack was described as the result of ''''human error'''' involving a failed test by an Israeli weapons manufacturer in the area.
Webmaster''''s Commentary:
As Israel screams that they are being attacked by someone, remember that Israel has a habit of shooting missiles at itself to justify attacking their neighbors.
Posted by WarDogLRS at 08:34 AM : Dec 30, 2008

Israel has a long history of doing this sort of things. They bombed one of their refugee boats escaping the war in Europe, they bombed Jewish synagogues in Iraq to scare Iraqi Jews into emigrating to Israel, they were the ones who invented the car bomb and were the first ones to use it, they invented the letter bomb and the firs ones to use it, they were also the first ones to destroy a civilian airplane as it flew over Egypt, that happened back in 1973.

[iamhungry68]

Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and Texas were stolen from Mexico..What country will evict the european thieves from the USA stolen land?

Posted by Hackerpc at 08:28 AM : Dec 30, 2008






As has been explained to several times already, Mexico ATTACKED America, to start the Mexican-American war. They started to lose, so they signed an agreement that gave America Texas, California, and Arizona.


When did ANY representative of the Palestinians EVER have the chance to negotiate a "treaty" on the Palestinians behalf?

The UN said, "Here''s resolution 181 - live with it."




Israel and Palestine is NOTHING like Mexico and America, *******!!!

I can''t believe how INTENTIONALLY IGNORANT you are about your own country''s history!!

[iamhungry68]

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.

Posted by claytonantho at 08:37 AM : Dec 30, 2008





NO KIDDING!

If Israel gives back all of the land that was stolen, that would obviously mean that Israel would no longer exist, since ALL of the land was stolen in the first place!

[claytonantho]

Will somebody please tell those silly-looking Palestinians children that the Stone Age is over. They look pretty ridiculous throwing rocks at well-armed soldiers, tanks, and warplanes. No wonder Hamas is getting its *** kicked.

[closethippy1]

Mexico is not demanding the return of those lands. Mexico recognizes US borders.
In Gaza and the West Bank there''''''''s an ongoing Israeli military occupation and that needs to come to an end. Israel also has never defined its borders so they feel free to take any land they want and, again, that has come to an end.
Posted by closethippy1

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.
Posted by claytonantho at 08:37 AM : Dec 30, 2008

What a weird, weird world. Sir, no one in the world has the right to take someone else''s land or occupy it for decades on end with the pretext that the people whose lands are being taken away will not recognize the people who took their land.
And please don''t forget that Palestine was destroyed by Israel back in 1948. It is after this fact that some Palestinians would like to do the same to Israel but that can be solved with the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.

[claytonantho]

What you continuously miss in your deep analysis is that groups like Hamas, the majority of Palestinians, and countries such as Iran and Syria have never given any evidence that they would recognize Israel''''''''s right to exist. Israel could give all the so-called "stolen" land back, as you say. But the truth is that would not destroy the deep hatred that the people I mentioned above have for Israel. Giving back land would not mean nothing to them. They won''''''''t be satisfied unless all of Israel and it''''''''s people are wiped off the face of the earth.

Posted by claytonantho at 08:37 AM : Dec 30, 2008





NO KIDDING!

If Israel gives back all of the land that was stolen, that would obviously mean that Israel would no longer exist, since ALL of the land was stolen in the first place!


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Posted by IamHungry68

You UNINTENTIONALLY made my point. Thank you.

[iamhungry68]

so they signed an agreement that gave America Texas, California, and Arizona.Posted by IamHungry68 "GAVE"? are you friggin DRUNK? imbecile!!

Posted by Hackerpc at 08:41 AM : Dec 30, 2008






No you friggin'' idiot!!

Google "Mexican-American War"!!

Then Google "The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo"!!

History revisionist, ignorant, brainless, incompetent moron!!! I''ve explained this to you 5 times - at least!!!

[claytonantho]

What a weird, weird world. Sir, no one in the world has the right to take someone else''''s land or occupy it for decades on end with the pretext that the people whose lands are being taken away will not recognize the people who took their land.
And please don''''t forget that Palestine was destroyed by Israel back in 1948. It is after this fact that some Palestinians would like to do the same to Israel but that can be solved with the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.


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Posted by closethippy1

Your wrong and history shows it in many ways. I don''t see an uprising by Native Americans to drive Europeans out of America nor do I see Black South Africans attempting to drive White South Africans out of South Africa.

[iamhungry68]

Will somebody please tell those silly-looking Palestinians children that the Stone Age is over. They look pretty ridiculous throwing rocks at well-armed soldiers, tanks, and warplanes. No wonder Hamas is getting its *** kicked.

Posted by claytonantho at 08:44 AM : Dec 30, 2008





Who made the Israeli''s "well armed"?

Now you know why we were attacked on 9/11.

[closethippy1]

If Israel is being attacked in any way by Palestinians is because of the occupation and confiscation of their land.
Every word the Palestinians have said about Israel, every action taken, every breath comes after the fact.
Most Jews who lived in Palestine before Israel was created in 1948 came to Palestine after the end of World War 2. It wasn''t until 1996 that Israel elected a Prime Minister who was actually born in Israel.
So if land can be taken by force then, heck, it''''s more than OK to take it back by force!
The only way to stop the bloodshed over there is by implementing international law which will then lead to the implementation of the agreed UN resolutions.
I don''t understand why Israel and the US are against this since Israel is the only country in the world to have been created by the UN!
So if the UN laws are good enough for its creation it sure is good enough to keep the peace.