COVINA, Calif., Dec. 30, 2008

Santa Slayer Planned More Murders

Police: Mother, Ex-Wife's Attorney Were On Calif. Man's Hit List

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(AP)  For six months, Bruce Pardo plotted a bloody attack on his ex-wife and her family. Police say he even added his mother and his ex-wife's divorce attorney to the hit list but killed himself before he could complete the task.

His plan was thorough and detailed. Pardo had a getaway car, an airplane ticket to the Midwest, several guns, and high-powered ammunition only sold outside the state.

They were all in place on Christmas Eve, when he put on his Santa Claus suit, armed himself with four guns, barged into a party at his ex-relatives' home, killed nine people and torched the home.

It was a crime that sent this quiet community east of Los Angeles reeling with shock and sadness, but a crime police say could have been worse.

Police Lt. Pat Buchanan said Pardo knew his mother had been invited to the party and intended to kill her because he felt she sided with his ex-wife in their divorce. Lucky for her, Buchanan said, she felt ill and opted to stay home.

His ex-wife's attorney was also apparently a target. Police Chief Kim Raney said Pardo left a rented vehicle near the attorney's Glendale home the day of the shooting and filled it with maps, clothes and a fuel tank.

But Pardo never made it to the vehicle. He was burned while torching the house and later killed himself at his brother's home.

If Pardo had lived, "his next destination was Glendale," Raney told hundreds of mourners who gathered at a local school Monday to offer each other comfort.

The residents, many of them wearing orange ribbons to remember the victims, gasped as Raney explained the latest details of the investigation. Raney pledged he would "try to bring sense to what was a senseless act."

The quiet community of backyard pools and wide boulevards was still coping with the bizarre and violent crime. Elderly women took notes on city officials' remarks from the meeting and women wiped tears from their eyes during a prayer.

Mayor Kevin Stapleton asked residents to respect the privacy of the surviving family members and their neighbors.

"I know people want to go by and see the location. But keep in mind that people live there and we need to get them some return to normalcy," Stapleton said.

County mental health counselors and trauma specialists distributed pamphlets and referrals, while neighbors hugged and shook their heads in grief and confusion.

David Singer, a psychiatrist and volunteer trauma therapist, advised parents on how to talk to children who might be confused and frightened by the idea of Santa Claus committing such a horrible crime.

"He was so full of hate that he had to disguise his hate by dressing up as someone full of love - Santa Claus," Singer said.

Those words, meant to comfort a child, seemed to be the simple explanation many of the adults in the room craved. Many nodded in agreement, and a few quietly wiped away tears.

After the meeting, some lingered at the school to talk, while others held hands and prayed.

Not far from the school, the charred remnants of the destroyed home still smelled of smoke. A pile of votive candles, flower and stuffed animals lay outside a chain-link fence protecting the site.

Jill Amparan placed a bouquet of flowers on the curb and said a prayer with her friend, Elizabeth Chavez. Still dressed in their scrubs after leaving their jobs at a medical clinic, the women expressed anger at Pardo's actions.

"People die every day but the way this happened is awful," Amparan said.

Chavez said her 9-year-old daughter has been riveted by the story of a man dressed as Santa Claus committing such a horrible crime.

"She brought a newspaper article to day care to show her teacher," she said.

The whole incident left both women wondering what made Pardo so desperate to get back at his ex-wife by hurting the ones she loved.

"He had a house, friends, family and a church community. That's supposed to help you when things get bad," Amparan said.

Scott Nord, an attorney for the victims' family, said a fund for donations was set up to help his clients. He said the family requests privacy while it grieves.

"They have felt your love for them and the prayers said on their behalf," Nord said in a statement released through police. "The thought that so many have opened their hearts to them provides them comfort."

The nine people were killed when Pardo, 45, carried out a brutal attack on those gathered at the home of his ex-wife's parents just days after the settlement of a bitter divorce was finalized.

The 25 people gathered at the home of Joseph and Alicia Ortega exchanged Christmas greetings moments before the rampage with about 35 relatives by radio at the home of their niece Lilia Llamas Sotomayor in Torreon, Mexico, a ritual the family undertook every year.

"It was 'How are you? We're all together here. How are you over there?"' Sotomayor told the Los Angeles Times. "They were happy, and we were happy."

It was not until the next day that the relatives in Mexico learned that just after their conversations ended, Pardo entered the home dressed as Santa Claus and opened fire with semiautomatic handguns, then used a homemade device to fill the house with vaporized racing fuel, which exploded.

(Covina Police Department)
The victims' bodies were charred by the fire that consumed the house and they remained unidentified Monday. (At left, Pardo's alleged getaway vehicle, burned in the fire.)

The missing included Pardo's 43-year-old former wife, Sylvia Pardo; her parents, Joseph Ortega, 80, and Alicia Ortega, 70; her 46-year-old sister, Alicia Ortiz, and the sister's 17-year-old son, Michael Ortiz. Also missing were a brother, Charles Ortega, 50, and his wife, Cheri, 45; and another brother, James, 52, and his wife, Teresa, 51.

Editor's Note: According to a statement released through the Covina Police Department, checks may be mailed to Ortega Family Fund, C/O Law Offices of Scott J. Nord, 500 N. Brand Boulevard, Suite 550, Glendale, Calif., 91203.

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by vcofreason December 30, 2008 11:44 AM EST
It is incomprehensible the horrific nightmare that these poor people endured. What will forever haunt me is the story of the sweet 8 year old girl, smiling when opening the door to Santa, only to be shot in the face. How no one saw this coming is an amazing testament to just how deep someone''s inner turmoil can be concealed until its unleashing. Horrifying.
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by dagrandma December 30, 2008 12:09 PM EST
What a despicable human being. Guess it just goes to show you can never ever really know another person.
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by kyohl December 30, 2008 12:22 PM EST
What a sad state of affairs we''re in when this sick person gets the glory of a nick name from our media. This sick M''r F''r gets to take out an entire family and we''ve celebritized him and will allow him to be known by "Santa Slayer"?? ***? Reporting the events is one thing, but I am so disturbed by the fact that this person will get fame now for such evil horror that will forever haunt what''s left of this family. Call him Bruce- JUST Bruce. He''s not worthy of anything else. Doesn''t even deserve the last name of the man who spat the seed to spawn this evil creature who would do this.
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by kyohl December 30, 2008 12:30 PM EST
What a sad state of affairs we''re in when this sick person gets the glory of a nick name from our media. This sick M''r F''r gets to take out an entire family and we''ve celebritized him and will allow him to be known by "Santa Slayer"?? ***? Reporting the events is one thing, but I am so disturbed by the fact that this person will get fame now for such evil horror that will forever haunt what''s left of this family. Call him Bruce- JUST Bruce. He''s not worthy of anything else. Doesn''t even deserve the last name of the man who spat the seed to spawn this evil creature who would do this.
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by doctgo5 December 30, 2008 12:42 PM EST
Sad...It''s such a waste of life. Another reason to remember that there are no rules of how long we''ll be here. It can be over in a flash.
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by emailscottg December 30, 2008 12:46 PM EST
My heart goes out to this family. What a terrible way to go. With that being said, what do you hippies (California liberals) think about guns now? All your laws regarding "high powered ammunition" (as if there is low powered ammunition) and banning of this gun and that gun; useless. This guy built a flame thrower out of a compressor and an air tank. Now we should outlaw compressed air containers and refrigerators, right? After all, that would prevent people from building flame throwers for the purpose of torching their in-laws. If one person in that house had access to a firearm this would have been all over in a moment. By the way, I know where your feeble mind is headed. Criminals will always have guns. Always. There isn''t a law you can pass that will prevent criminals from committing crimes. One armed individual could have stopped this man. Think about that.

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not" author unknown
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by emailscottg December 30, 2008 12:47 PM EST
My heart goes out to this family. What a terrible way to go. With that being said, what do you hippies (California liberals) think about guns now? All your laws regarding "high powered ammunition" (as if there is low powered ammunition) and banning of this gun and that gun; useless. This guy built a flame thrower out of a compressor and an air tank. Now we should outlaw compressed air containers and refrigerators, right? After all, that would prevent people from building flame throwers for the purpose of torching their in-laws. If one person in that house had access to a firearm this would have been all over in a moment. By the way, I know where your feeble mind is headed. Criminals will always have guns. Always. There isn''t a law you can pass that will prevent criminals from committing crimes. One armed individual could have stopped this man. Think about that.

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not" author unknown
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by unclpaul December 30, 2008 1:07 PM EST
A trauma therapist advising parents on "how to talk to children who might be confused and frightened by the idea of Santa Claus committing such a horrible crime."??

We are so very shocked at the very occurrence of this crime. We should be just as shocked that, rather than take this opportunity to explain a GREATER reality to the Children, we take such pains to ensure that the integrity of their current perception of the Christmas season remains intact.

Oh, well... I suppose it''s no harm (and not dishonest) to tell them that it wasn''t REALLY Santa Clause, just someone DRESSED UP like Santa Clause.

God forbid that anyone take the opportunity to point out to them that "Santa Clause" is how modern society treats that which began with actual people like Saint Nicholas and, last but not least, a child born in Bethlehem.
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by jsf2020 December 30, 2008 1:10 PM EST
This is terribly sad and unfortunate. It would be interesting to hear the facts of the divorce; in many cases divorce attorneys instigate trouble in divorce cases to generate income by using children and money as weapons against one of the parents. False charges of spouse or child abuse are used to gain control and limit child visitations or ruin other parents credibility. Unfortunately, this goes unchecked because attorneys are like a union, they don''t police themselves and they can hide behind the law.
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by benicillin December 30, 2008 1:11 PM EST
kyohl: I disagree. I didn''t actually know his real name until you used it. I would much rather use some nickname for this guy than give him the honor of calling him by his real name. Bruce was a human being. I didn''t know Bruce. All I know is some guy who killed a bunch of people. I don''t want to know his name. I just want to know he''s not here anymore.
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by benicillin December 30, 2008 1:12 PM EST
kyohl: I disagree. I didn''t actually know his real name until you used it. I would much rather use some nickname for this guy than give him the honor of calling him by his real name. Bruce was a human being. I didn''t know Bruce. All I know is some guy who killed a bunch of people. I don''t want to know his name. I just want to know he''s not here anymore.
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by cronos12 December 30, 2008 1:14 PM EST
"One armed individual could have stopped this man. Think about that." - emailscottg

Sure, one armed individual could have shot this guy and killed him. Also, one armed individual could have shot this guy, hit the tank of fuel, causing it to kill everyone that was in the house instead of just the few who did die.

Destruction begets Destruction. Violence begets Violence.
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by standup4u December 30, 2008 1:15 PM EST
THE MAN GETS RIPPED OFF BY THE EX-WIFE AGAIN!! He lost his job, wife, and dog. What about how he felt. His ex felt good enough to party but he could only think of how bleak his future looked with no job, wife, dog and still responsible for paying the ex alimony?!?!?!? Court systems in this country are all screwed up. These laws MUST be changed so tragedys like this will stop. Got a few minutes? Google Men, divorce and suicide to see the real picture.
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by ny_lakerfan December 30, 2008 1:17 PM EST
What he did was horrific and incomprehensible. However, the cause of his hopelessness that lead to his mental breakdown needs to be understood. The media loves investigating at great depth his actions. But what about the actions of a family court system that has become so hyper-concerned about the rights of women that it literally punishes men for failed marriages.

Buried in one news story was the brief mention that the court originally awarded his ex-wife more than $3100 a MONTH in spousal support after only TWO YEARS of marriage with no children involved. Then ... after he loses his job ... the court still rules that he has to pay her a $10,000 cash settlement so he can keep his house ... a house he owned BEFORE he married her. AND the court awards her HIS dog. HIS DOG. The only reason she would want HIS dog is to be nasty and vindictive AND the court allowed it.

I have personally experienced family court in this country and have many male friends who have been through it. It is currently nothing more or less than a legal emasculation of men. It leaves men feeling absolutely helpless and without hope for a future life of any type. As long as the courts continue in this lopsided manner, more nutcases will be pushed over the edge.
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by inhaled_not December 30, 2008 1:19 PM EST
You can pin whatever wrap you want on someone once their dead. The press is trying to play down the fact that his ex wife fleeced him. Granted, the ends far ouweighed the means but you just cannot let this information get out the the sheeple they might get ideas.
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by newsoncbs December 30, 2008 1:21 PM EST
Wow. I''m not the only one thinking of this poor demented soul who lost everything and the lost his mind. Good to see some humanity still exists.
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by countslapula December 30, 2008 1:21 PM EST
I love how people ignore the role they themselves played in choosing these lousy spouses. The deceased wife CHOSE this mental case. The deceased gunmen CHOSE that wife (whom he detested). If she was horrible, this trifling idiot found a way to absolve himself of the role he played in choosing her. People obviously do not have any criteria to use in selecting a mate, if they end up with people like this. The only reasonable solution (for me) is being single. You can keep all of this, and all the quarrels, ego-blows, butt-kissing & idiocy of married life.
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by standup4u December 30, 2008 1:24 PM EST
NonCustodialParents must "come out of the closet" due to the lopsided court system. NY lakersfan knows first hand what it is like. I''ve been there. I lost my job and still had to pay my ex to get her fingernails done, new clothes for her so she could party while my 2 children wore clothing with holes and too small. Ready to make a change? Time to take a stand so the court system will be fair? Noncustodialparents@gmail.com
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by benicillin December 30, 2008 1:26 PM EST
kyohl: I disagree. I didn''t actually know his real name until you used it. I would much rather use some nickname for this guy than give him the honor of calling him by his real name. Bruce was a human being. I didn''t know Bruce. All I know is some guy who killed a bunch of people. I don''t want to know his name. I just want to know he''s not here anymore.
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by emailscottg December 30, 2008 1:28 PM EST
"Sure, one armed individual could have shot this guy and killed him. Also, one armed individual could have shot this guy, hit the tank of fuel, causing it to kill everyone that was in the house instead of just the few who did die.

Destruction begets Destruction. Violence begets Violence. " --- cronos12

Try not to pull your back out whilst stretching for that improbable scenario. Put your straw man back in the closet and post a comment based upon solid logic and fact rather than conjecture and feel-good BS. What would you propose, hugging him to death? I''m not advocating violence for the sake of violence. If you read the statement I made you''ll realize I was speaking of action in the name of self-defense or self-preservation, if you will. Self-defense is neither destruction nor violence. Your ignorance gives me a headache; does it hurt you as well?
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by shuixinyu December 30, 2008 1:56 PM EST
Do people really think that in some way, because the court system failed this man, nine innocent people were killed? What about agency and accountability? I''m not going to argue that people take advantage of the way the system is set up. But if people were decent and honest, we wouldn''t need laws to make people take care of responsibilities. What about all of the kids that suffer because of fathers that don''t help when they should? Laws aren''t fair because people aren''t fair. "The System" will never be able to make everyone happy, and it is our dependency upon that system to make things right that makes it so weak.

What bothers me about this story, is all the comments victimizing this guy - like what he did wasn''t his fault. So... he got screwed over in a divorce and he had no other choice but to kill nine people. Naturally, this is the first thing someone would think to do! I don''t care what she did - nine people did not deserve to die for anything and it''s nobody''s fault but his.
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by cellyh4x December 30, 2008 1:59 PM EST
At a family holiday gathering with children in the privacy of a family home, I doubt pistols were on hips or in pockets, and I don''t think that''s unreasonable- nor do I find it reasonable to suggest that they should have been. Had weapons been kept in the home, as quickly as this must have happened, I doubt anyone had time to even flee, let alone flee to arm themselves. It''s an unpredictable act that I doubt many would have been more prepared for than this family. You can get away with saying that a single bullet could have minimized this tragedy, but you shouldn''t fault the family for not being prepared to do so.
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by sue_iowa December 30, 2008 2:05 PM EST
Please---argue all you want about people getting screwed in divorces or about gun control laws--but what it comes down to is this-- There was NO REASON to shoot the young child who answered the door or any of the other innocent victims who happened to be at the residence.
Pardo was one sick and demented psycho and it makes me want to throw up that there are people on here defending his actions.
How can anybody justify what he did?
To all those who are---what a sad world you live in.
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by fenway20043 December 30, 2008 2:20 PM EST
The sad truth, is that it is open season on both males and females in this country. The courts are overloaded, and are breaking at the seams. Obviously, it would have been great if the "system" had not failed this man or folks that he killed, hence SOMEONE should have seen this coming.

The answer is not more guns, it is fewer guns. I know the NRA hates to hear it, but it is sure is easier to kill many people with a gun than it is with a knife or some other weapon. For those of you who think "I will be safe, I have a gun to defend myself"; face the fact that most police who are shot, are shot with their own weapon.

I live near a large city and the whole newscast is on the local drive-by shootings. "18 year old shot in face, 11 year old girl shot while sitting in her own living room and dies, 6 year old boy shot while playing on scooter he got for Christmas." Is the answer really more guns... It seems we have plenty to go around.

My prayers go to the folks involved in this tragedy. Please folks, guns are not the answer and never have been.
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by samael2014 December 30, 2008 2:25 PM EST
To all you VERY SICK *** striving for a better understanding of why this psychopath "snapped", please understand that BEFORE he snapped he was a person who possessed firearms with the intent to use them and the cold calculating tenacity to build a flamethrower, and when he "snapped" he decided to use them on many others FIRST and THEN himself, instead of using it on HIMSELF FIRST.

Just like many others before him. THESE very undeserving of sympathy worst of the worst ALWAYS shoot themselves LAST with the same guns they have held warmly in their hands so often in the past with rehearsed anticipation of the results, and NEVER FIRST.

It takes more than someone who "snapped" to coldy go through nine of eleven individuals on a list, torch the house, and THEN kill himself first -- that takes someone like people who can find it in their heart to forgive such an action with better understanding. I wouldn''t mind seeing a complete autobiographical breakdown of your capacity to forgive, because it seems like most of you own guns yourselves AND believe in capital punishment. That sounds more like a SICK desire to carry out justice as you see fit.

The only understanding I can see from this, is a definite sociological epidemic of family murdering that''s re-inforced by sickos reading news reports that characterize these as anti-hero tragedies instead of child murdering atrocities.
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by biomegaly December 30, 2008 9:56 PM EST
Atleast he won''t be resurrected as the Easter Bunny!
Seriously though, I feel terrible for what happened to them.
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by pizzanick December 30, 2008 10:14 PM EST
This is such a tragic and sick event. I wasn''t married and divorced with the woman so I can''t say how I would have felt. No one knows the real story of what led to this point. Forget the guns kill people issue. People kill people. I can kill someone with a car, with a hammer, with a tv, with a bookcase, etc. Guns are here to stay no matter what bleeding heart liberal says. It''s protected in the constitution. If there''s one thing to take away from this - I think people should take a harder look at the people and the families they are marrying into before they make the big jump. They should make premarital counseling mandatory in this country.
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by edintex December 30, 2008 10:40 PM EST
Guns are more a nuisance than a benefit. Guns at home increase the chances of suicide, homicide, and accidental death in your household. How does that translate into "protecting" them?
Posted by remrafbn at 07:12 PM : Dec 30, 2008

If you believe that guns are a nuisance, then dont bring one into your home!

Its funny though how in perilous times such as rioting in this country, there is always a run of people on the gun stores trying to buy protection for their family. I prefer to be ready at all times to fend off anyone at any time without having to run to the store or wait days for a "waiting period" to expire. And thanks to the election of our new God Obama, there is a HUGE run on the gun stores going on!!!

I''ve had guns around me since I was knee high. I am many decades older now and have been able to "safely" enjoy owning, practicing with and using firearms to harvest MANY different animals, all without any advice from know it all do-gooders like you.
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by edintex December 30, 2008 10:45 PM EST
"It''''s conceivable that the federal government can pass a law you can''''t own a gun."
"Some court at some point could say, ''''federal government, you are right,''''" Michel said."
Posted by remrafbn at 07:29 PM : Dec 30, 2008

And many would probably say the government would have to kill many of us to get our guns out of our hands too. One way to start a civil war "could" be to try and take away our guns or ammunition!
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by hatesthecolt December 31, 2008 12:20 PM EST
A couple of random thoughts on this...

Anyone remember the name of the Michael Douglas film where he flips out and starts killing people? Remember how his life had turned to complete crapola? I have to wonder (and don''t get me wrong, this is NO EXCUSE for what this guy did), if this "wonderful family" hadn''t been verbally beating the *** out of this guy for a while now. I am only saying that there are families out there that will decide an in-law is no longer welcome and make their lives a living hell just because they can.

On gun control, I continue to be mystified as to why gun rights advocates fight reasonable restrictions on (a) how quickly you can get guns and (b) what kind of guns you can buy. What harm does it do? It certainly isn''t unconstitutional since the Supreme Ct. has long held that you can put reasonable restrictions on civil rights. If it saves lives to have a waiting period, why would you advocate against one since you WILL get your gun just in 7 days instead of tomorrow? And what do you really NEED with an UZI anyway?

Lastly, how ironic is it that this guy got to feel some of his victims'' pain because the moron didn''t wear a flame retardant suit?
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by you_fools December 31, 2008 4:23 PM EST
The world need less losers like this santa killer and more humor like http://www.unclejayexplains.com/media/UJ%2012-22-08.wmv
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by mdalerwill December 31, 2008 4:56 PM EST
Anyone remember the name of the Michael Douglas film where he flips out and starts killing people?
Posted by hatesthecolt at 09:20 AM : Dec 31, 2008

That was Falling Down. Excellent film.
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by mdalerwill December 31, 2008 5:00 PM EST
On gun control, didn''t we all have this discussion yesterday? Statistics flying every direction. And CBS eventually just deleted about 20 pages of posts, including my excellent hour''s-worth of research. No, I''m not bitter. Anyway, haven''t all the points already been made?
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by hatesthecolt December 31, 2008 5:45 PM EST
nyway, haven''''t all the points already been made?

Posted by mdalerwill

Thanks for reminding me of the name; I have to rent that again. Probably Michael Douglas best performance.

Sorry I missed the gun control discussion ... was doing family things... I just don''t understand the extremists on either side of that issue.
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by mdalerwill December 31, 2008 5:54 PM EST
Sorry I missed the gun control discussion ... was doing family things... I just don''''t understand the extremists on either side of that issue.
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Posted by hatesthecolt at 02:45 PM : Dec 31, 2008

You let real life get in the way of keeping abreast of internet discourse?!? Shame on you! :P
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by hatesthecolt December 31, 2008 5:55 PM EST
You let real life get in the way of keeping abreast of internet discourse?!? Shame on you! :P

Posted by mdalerwil

I have two teenagers. Sometimes I need to be in here to check my sanity! ; )
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by remrafbn December 31, 2008 9:47 PM EST
Bruce Pardo is just the latest legal gun owner to go berserk. How many more have to die until we realize that we have to stop the havoc created with guns. 30,000 victims per year in completely unacceptable. Guns are a nuisance!~
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by jsutaguy January 1, 2009 1:18 AM EST
So, this guy was married for less than a year, had lost his job, and the judge decided that he needed to pay his exwife 3700$ a month in "spousal support", and she was out taking vacations with the support, and buying high end designer clothing. I read that in some of the other stories.

Gee, I wonder what he was angry about? could it be that our court system is so completely skewed that it gives 50% of a person''s life savings to a less-than-one-year spouse?


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by DDouville January 1, 2009 2:46 PM EST
You got to wonder what is it that makes a person ''snap'' and do such a terrible thing1!?!? I lost my job, things aren''t going so great, but never have I even thought about harming someone because of it.
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by nothappyatall January 1, 2009 3:22 PM EST
"Guns are a nuisance!~

Posted by remrafbn "

Maybe you missed the part where he sprayed the room and house with flammable liquid and blew it up with a flash fire- the dead would still be dead, just burned to death instead of shot AND burned.

"Gee, I wonder what he was angry about? could it be that our court system is so completely skewed that it gives 50% of a persons life savings to a less-than-one-year spouse?
Posted by justaguy11"

Yeah thats phuxed up, like how the hel1 is he going to pay $3700/mo alimony plus his own expenses with NO JOB?? no pay= JAIL TIME, so he was facing jail- dead end, and that was why he snapped.

"For six months, CHURCH USHER Bruce Pardo plotted a bloody attack on his ex-wife and her family"

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by remrafbn January 1, 2009 3:45 PM EST
newster1 said "Maybe you missed the part where he sprayed the room and house with flammable liquid and blew it up with a flash fire- the dead would still be dead, just burned to death instead of shot AND burned."

According to police reports they were shot to death then burned!~

"They were all in place on Christmas Eve, when he put on his Santa Claus suit, armed himself with four guns, barged into a party at his ex-relatives'' home, killed nine people and torched the home."

So he went in with four guns, killed nine people and torched the home. Furthermore, the police found guns in the home they say belonged to the family. Guns are not designed to save lives. They are designed to kill people!~ Mr. Pardo was a legal gun owner. Most mass shooters are!~

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by hatesthecolt January 1, 2009 4:02 PM EST
justaguy11, I''ll bet his inlaws and ex had been making his life a living hell for a while now. There''s no indication he was a wife beater or had any other issues until now. Something made him snap in a major and comprehensive way. And he didn''t take it out on the courts or judge; he was VERY FOCUSED. This DOES NOT justify what he did, but it may say something about the nature of the people who died. They probably weren''t saints either.
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by khanghi-2009 January 1, 2009 6:49 PM EST
I AGREE! We should have a law that forbids anyone from owning a gun! Then, all of the criminals and outlaws will line up at police stations across the country to turn theirs in! (After all, it''s now against the law, right?)

Tell me, are people REALLY that stupid to think that outlawing guns is the answer? WHY THE F@#K DO YOU THINK THEY CALL THEM "CRIMINALS"?

When I was just a kid of 10 or so, I took an NRA gun safety class with my Dad and older brother. I learned how to handle a firearm safely, thus, taking the mystery out of guns and what they could be used for. There was no "playing with guns" in my house. I was taught it was a tool, just like a hammer is. With a hammer I can build a home...
...or I can crush your skull.

Better we examine the human equasion in all this than explore the passing of yet more laws that won''t be enforced any more than the ones already on the books.

Where is the moral outrage for those who get arrested 5, 6, 7 times for driving drunk and get a slap on the wrist and put back out on the street to kill someone with their car?

This guy was a real sick individual with some very serious, very real issues. But I''ll tell you this, if I had to be in that house when this guy showed up, I''d rather have been there with a loaded weapon.
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by remrafbn January 1, 2009 7:25 PM EST
khanghi said "I was taught it was a tool, just like a hammer is."

I went to the tool department at Home Depot but they did not have any guns. Then I learned why. Guns are not tools. They are deadly weapons...weapons designed to kill people. A hammer is not designed to kill people.

Then he said "With a hammer I can build a home...
...or I can crush your skull."

True but you have to separate actual use from utility. Less than 20 Americans per year are killed with hammers crushing their skulls while guns are used to kill 30,000. Do you realize how pathetic your claims are?

Then he said "But I''''ll tell you this, if I had to be in that house when this guy showed up, I''''d rather have been there with a loaded weapon."

There were loaded weapons at that house. One belonged to Pardo and the others the homeowner. The police found guns in the home but that family was celebrating Christmas Eve and Santa knocked on the door. You do not point a gun at Santa. Do you? Gun owners are always dreaming of being the heroes but most of the time, in most mass shootings, they are the shooters!~

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by colonieny January 1, 2009 11:30 PM EST
What a terrible tragedy ? What made him snap ?
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by khanghi-2009 January 2, 2009 12:30 AM EST
remrafbn

I''m not sure why you feel the need to respond in such a combative manner, but I''m going to guess it has something to do with youth and a false sense of superiority. To refer to my post as "pathetic" is akin to me calling you a simpleminded moron. I wouldn''t do that, though, as I think it''s more just ignorance and I''d rather try to educate you instead. Notice I didn''t say "change your mind" as different opinions are "what makes the world go round", as they say. Hopefully, though, you might come away with the realization that not every gun owner is the comic book characterization you currently hold.
First, because you could find deadly tools down any aisle in The Home Depot doesn''t mean that''s what those tools were developed for.
"Guns are...weapons designed to kill people" is just, well...wrong.
Perhaps you didn''t know that target shooting is an Olympic Sport. I''m pretty sure they''re not using human targets.
Certainly you can''t be blind to the sport of hunting. Yes, it''s a fun way for families and friends to bond, but it also puts food on the table and those who are serious about it are safe and waste no part of animals they harvest. There are also numerous programs that provide hunter donated game meat to food banks and shelters.
I realize you''re passionate about what you believe, however misguided, but when you present your position from such a condescending posture, you''re not very likely to be taken seriously if you''re not ignored altogether.
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by rosieodminge January 2, 2009 3:43 AM EST
There were loaded weapons at that house. One belonged to Pardo and the others the homeowner. The police found guns in the home but that family was celebrating Christmas Eve and Santa knocked on the door. You do not point a gun at Santa. Do you? Gun owners are always dreaming of being the heroes but most of the time, in most mass shootings, they are the shooters!~




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Posted by remrafbn





With gun-owners using firearms in legal self defense against sick criminals 2.5 million times a year (Clinton Justice Dept. study BTW) I submit you are horribly WRONG!

Women use firearms on average of 200,000 times a year defending themselves against sexual assault, would you rather they be raped? Of course you would, all anti-gunners are racist s e x offenders.

Your 30,000 is a sad lie as well, that number is not only inflated, but mis-represented! You are counting suicides. Surely those willing to shoot themselves would be willing to pop a few dozen pills.

These facts are why you anti-gun nazi''s lie, even Obamalamadingdong knows his days in office would end in 4 years should he "attempt" additional restrictions on our 2nd Amendment rights.

Happy New Year:0)
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by khanghi-2009 January 2, 2009 1:00 PM EST
"Maybe this Khanghi guy has entered this country illegally? Sounds like a Pakistani to me!"

Posted by luigi999 at 12:37 AM : Jan 02, 2009

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Luigi

Thanks for the chuckle this morning! Perhaps you could share some of your "wisdom" (more like "wiz-dumb") with us.

What about my post would make you think I might be here illegally? Or Pakistani? Actually, if you were as smart as you''d like the rest of us here to believe, you''d have already explored the origin of my screen ID. You would then know who was here illegally.

By the way, "Luigi", huh? How long off the boat?
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