Panel Faults Bush, Not Soldiers, For Abuse

Senate Report Says Abuse Of Detainees Was Result Of Administration Policies

(AP)  The physical and mental abuse of detainees in Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was the direct result of Bush administration detention policies and should not be dismissed as the work of bad guards or interrogators, according to a bipartisan Senate report released Thursday.

The Senate Armed Services Committee report concludes that harsh interrogation techniques used by the CIA and the U.S. military were directly adapted from the training techniques used to prepare special forces personnel to resist interrogation by enemies that torture and abuse prisoners. The techniques included forced nudity, painful stress positions, sleep deprivation, and until 2003, waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.

The report is the result of a nearly two-year investigation that directly links President Bush's policies after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, legal memos on torture, and interrogation rule changes with the abuse photographed at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq four years ago. Much of the report remains classified. Unclassified portions of the report were released by the committee Thursday.

Administration officials publicly blamed the abuses on low-level soldiers the work "of a few bad apples." Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., called that "both unconscionable and false."

"The message from top officials was clear; it was acceptable to use degrading and abusive techniques against detainees," Levin said.

Arizona Republican and former prisoner of war Sen. John McCain, called the link between the survival training and U.S. interrogations of detainees inexcusable.

"These policies are wrong and must never be repeated," he said in a statement.

Lawrence Di Rita, a senior aide to former Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld at the time the Abu Ghraib and other abuses took place, disputed the report.

"This oddly timed report provides no evidence that contradicts more than a dozen other investigations that found that there was no systematic or widespread detainee mismanagement," Di Rita told The AP. "A relatively small number of people abused detainees, and they were brought to justice in criminal or civil proceedings."

The report comes as the Bush administration continues to delay and in some cases bar members of Congress from gaining access to key legal documents and memos about the detainee program, including an August 2002 memo that evaluated whether specific interrogation techniques proposed to be used by the CIA would constitute torture.

That memo, written by Jay Bybee, then-chief of the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel, was guided in part by an assessment of the psychological effects of resistance survival training on U.S. military personnel. The CIA provided that document to his office, Bybee told the Senate Armed Services Committee in an October letter, obtained by The Associated Press.

[jimfenton-2009]

mean people do mean things; and i think george bush is one mean sob. too much nasty stuff coming right down from the top. incredible oil prices, no reason to invade irag, bin ladin still on the loose, katrina disaster so badly mishandled; the list is nearly endless. wall st. bailout. we have been shorn. jim f.

[lemonskink]

Let''s never forget what the Bush/Cheney Regime has done, and relentless pursue legal action against them and their minions, especially for this:

http://www.ronnierayjenkins.com/topics/deathinappalachia/Empty_Chairs/

[sfden]

All this from a man who calls himself a Christian.

[dowjones20k]

The techniques included forced nudity, painful stress positions, sleep deprivation, and until 2003, waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.

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So these ''techniques'' are considered torture?????

If any of these caused a terrorist to divulge potential attacks that saved ONE innocent life then they should use them regularly ....

Maybe they should research how real torture is done and look at Vietnamese, Russian, German ..etc ...

Get real here .. this stuff has been hasehed and rehased ... appears none of these techniques have been used in 5 years (2003) ....

Carl Levin is a bleeding heart liberal and it''s interesting this report is released today .. of course a democrat headed the committe ...

Maybe a little bit of political grandstanding????

[tiger8055]

There really is nothing new here. Sure, harsh techniques were used on detainees, but the fact is they worked. And the Democrats knew these things were going on. The Dems in Congress were briefed on all of these things back in 2002 and their only response was to ask if the techniques went far enough! Whatever was done to these scumbags is nothing compared to what they do to our guys when they get captured: amputations, flaying, burning alive, and any number of other horrific things. These ragheads are forced to make a flesh pile at Abu Ghraib, and get put in a cold room and are forced to listen to "Nine inch nails" as Gitmo and the libs call that torture? Give me a break. You Defeatocrats are such bunch of women.

[ramos937]

The report comes as the Bush administration continues to delay and in some cases bar members of Congress from gaining access to key legal documents and memos about the detainee program, including an August 2002 memo that evaluated whether specific interrogation techniques proposed to be used by the CIA would constitute torture.
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That is ok....After 1/21/2009, these documentations will become available. I just hope that the proper guilty parties can then be held accountable.

[impeach___w]

Impeachment? no too is too late for that.
War crimes? Maybe but Obama said no.

It''s No wonder Bush wants immunity for everyone who was ''just following orders''- his illegal orders. Any DOJ or DOD legal justification Bushco based these activies on was long since withdrawn.

Now it is time to put the lawbreaking, war criminal politions and interrogators and torturers on trial.

Their potential sacrifice of liberty after a fair trial is much less of a trade than torture for the information gleened.

Maybe we got some info and allegedly saved some lives. What was done in your names was not worth any Safety you scared sheep allegedly got out of this treatment. If it was, let''s start up some war crime trials.

[centerfall94]

The techniques included forced nudity, painful stress positions, sleep deprivation, and until 2003, waterboarding, a form of simulated drowning.

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So these ''''techniques'''' are considered torture?????

If any of these caused a terrorist to divulge potential attacks that saved ONE innocent life then they should use them regularly ....

Posted by Dowjones20k at 06:56 PM : Dec 11, 2008

You''re an idiot and a fool. Not a rare combination for a neocon or republican. But one thing you''re not is an American. You''re just like the taliban, you just live in the United States.

[nghtcase]

And the Democrats knew these things were going on. The Dems in Congress were briefed on all of these things back in 2002 and their only response was to ask if the techniques went far enough! Whatever was done to these scumbags is nothing compared to what they do to our guys when they get captured: amputations, flaying, burning alive, and any number of other horrific things. These ragheads are forced to make a flesh pile at Abu Ghraib, and get put in a cold room and are forced to listen to "Nine inch nails" as Gitmo and the libs call that torture? Give me a break. You Defeatocrats are such bunch of women.
Posted by Tiger8055 at 07:10 PM : Dec 11, 2008
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I couldn''t agree with you more!! Now everyone is playing the "little fiddle''s my heart bleeds for you", because they''re in office and can''t let on that they knew anything about what was going on. Trust me they ALL knew. The president doesn''t very many moves without people knowing. We''re kept in the dark, and fed BS by the media. Not what we need to hear what they WANT us to hear. GROW UP America, Blobama is NO different than any one else in office. Just wait, you WILL see the mistake made in making him president

[clathrate]

Finally someone is willing to speak the truth about this issue. It is a shame that Bush, Cheny, and their cronies don''t have the balls to stand up and admit their failures. Instead, they are content to slander the military to cover their own pathetic @sses.

Rot in hell Bush. Jesus will not know you in the time of judgement if you don''t repent for your abusive sins!

[bilcelkng]

Please Stop Judging President Bush!! Give him the respect he deserves, as I, even though I voted for McCain, respect President elect Obama. How can You blame Bush for the tortures of these Phsyco Terrorists, When its the house and Senate that passed it in the 1st place.Again, the corrupt lawmakers trying to pass the buck. Bush wasn''t at Gitmo per

forming these so called tortures, JUST REMEMBER 9/11, Im sure President Bush and the interogators are on Gods Side and its these terrorists which are going to burn in hell. Thank God for the info we got out of these nuts that stopped many other attacks.
Desperate times call for desperate measures!!

[formrusmcsgt]

Administration officials publicly blamed the abuses on low-level soldiers the work "of a few bad apples." Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., called that "both unconscionable and false."
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Send them out with orders to torture and then blame those who followed the orders.

What cowards make up the Bush administration.

[pachamaxi]

Rot in hell Bush. Jesus will not know you in the time of judgement if you don''''t repent for your abusive sins!

Posted by clathrate
One questions:

how can you fight the men or cowards who send 5 year old boy to the road of paradise with 5 kilo of c4 to blow everything alive in a 100 yards radius.
How can you fight men who are cutting head of womens in front of thousands of peoples because she sheated on her husband.
How can you fight against an organisation with the only goal is to destroy human kind from a race or a country or better a religion.And how many lives it needs to understand that the ennemy is ruthless.
I did not see as much people upset when a inmate is going to the chair because he killed 1 children and raped him.
Stop being hypocrits people and be realistics, and spare us the how my god they tortured them!!!!they will go to hell.
the path of hell is paved with good intention

[pachamaxi]

is the fear of having guantanamo is enough for having them to talk?
if it is then we win a psychological point.
The situation is very extreme here, people are too!
As i say what will be the solution?
using chemical product to make people talk, we do not have this exact science yet.what will you do to spare lives?
when they go to blow themselves they are the one at the first place who apply the torture to themselves.
And as far as i am concerned about good people getting tortured they were prepared to and when they go to the war zone they expect the worse treatment for no reason.
Unfortunatly it is not because we do not torture that the world will stop to be nasty.

[barbaram99]

Bush is the blame for the mess. He will remayn free and never go to prison. No US PREIDENT HAS EVER GONE TO PRISON. I say 9/11 had to be an insidw job so bush could change America to his liking. I have watched the footage of it that the news played. bush said he was not going to change a thing and we go on as we always have . lies. I use to fly in the 80s and it was better. Every time they paw thru my purse I blame that bush for it. he has blood on his paws.

[messiahx4eve]

Uh, bilcelkng, it''s spelled "psycho", no offense meant but your neocon republican education is showing. Try using LESS religious pandering and try using MORE facts. 9/11 is VERY suspect at the very least.

[ffoulkes-2009]

Isn''''t the point here, really, torture has been proven to not be an effective way to secure reliable information. And for those who defend the use of torture, do you also feel it acceptable for our soldiers to be tortured by our enemies?

Posted by tdeatonbkk at 11:19 PM : Dec 11, 2008
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First, Many tips gleaned from this ''torture'' ended in arrests or foiled attacks.
Second, There is a HUGE difference in these interrogation techniques and true torture. The stuff the military uses is child''s play compared to what the enemy uses. No comparison.

[gowens1]

Bush is reponcible for alot more than just this, he should be up on charges for crimes against humanity.

[ffoulkes-2009]

Bush is reponcible for alot more than just this, he should be up on charges for crimes against humanity.

Posted by REPUBLISCUMS at 08:17 AM : Dec 12, 2008
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And you should be up on charges for pooping in the gene pool.

[usclimey]

JUST REMEMBER 9/11, Im sure President Bush and the interogators are on Gods Side and its these terrorists which are going to burn in hell. Thank God for the info we got out of these nuts that stopped many other attacks.
Desperate times call for desperate measures!!

Posted by bilcelkng

It''s never been proven that anything we tortured out of these people resulted in an attack being stopped. When your raison d''etre in a fight is because you are on the side of right, it is stupid to think that lowering yourself to use the other''s tactics does not impact your humanity and your right to tell others wh
at to do.

[cariboubarbi]

These orders came from Bush and yet it was the soldiers that took the fall and went to prison.

Interesting.

[tnz650-2009]

That posting by "bilcelkng" just goes to show how warped and perverted organized religion can be on weak minds. This religious pervert and other christian perverts like him (of which there are, unfortunately, many) are too simple minded to understand their hypocricy. They are either completely ignorant of the actual teachings of the bible, or simply use it as a means to their warped and sadistic ends. People like this are no better than the Taliban or Al Qida. Religion is simply a front for their hatred, self loathing and lust for the pain and suffering of anyone who isn''t exactly like them.

[nagognog]

There is a famous story that exemplifies the reasons why torture was abandoned. It happened during the days of the Spanish Inquisition.

A man was brought before one of the chief inquisitors and stripped naked - as was/is the norm. Then he was shown all the tools of the trade that would be used on him if he didn''t confess and name names. He told the inquisitor that he would hold out as long as he could under torture. And then give only one name. That name would be that of the chief inquisitor himself - dancing with the devil and spewing vile curses on officials of the church/government.

He was released immediately.

[lloydbest1]

Whether "harsh" interrogation methods worked or not is not the point.
The point is we are bound by certain rules of engagement; the first of which is not to be involved in wars "of choice" for national pride or personal gain in the first place. Our involvement in Iraq and, maybe, Afganistan was already tainted by our real (as opposed to stated) reasons for going in.
Next, our treatment of prisoners of war is specifically limited by the Geneva convnetion, the U.S. constitution and our own cultural ethics. We must follow those guidelines and policies regardless of the enemy''s conduct. During WWII we conducted ourselves honorably (more or less) in spite of the fact both Germany and Japan''s behavior to POW''s and civilians was as bad or worse than that of our present emnemies.
Lastly, America is not just a nation of people but one of ideals. Those ideals define us more than our standard of living, our relative wealth or our freedom of choices. They allow us to take a leadership position in world affairs and sets a framework that permits our allies and adversaries to trust we will use our tremendous power wisely and humanely.
The Bush administration''s sabotage of those ideals in the prosecution of a war that should never have been fought to begin with has deprived us of one of the most effective levers we had as a positive global influence. By lowering ourselves to the level of the Barbarian, we have proven ourselves no better.

[impeach_o]

By lowering ourselves to the level of the Barbarian, we have proven ourselves no better.


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Posted by LloydBest1 at 10:10 AM : Dec 12, 2008
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because we ARE barbarians..we are a chromosome away from an ape..we are no different from a caveman..the only difference is that we learn enough for survival..

to think that gave us the false sense of superiority.

even you..if i push the right buttons..will show your barbaric self..

[impeach_o]

what bush did not see coming is that LIBERALS WILL BE MROE WORRIED AND CONCERNED ABOUT THE RIGHTS AND WELL-BEING OF TERORRISTS THAT THIER FELLOW AMERICANS

[notblue]

No surprise here! THe do nothing Dems in congress have blamed Bush for everything else why would this situation be any different?

[nikosk11]

No surprise here! THe do nothing Dems in congress have blamed Bush for everything else why would this situation be any different?

Posted by notblue at 11:13 AM : Dec 12, 2008

Is Russ Limbaugh giving you "your opinion" again? He does that to people like you. Read the report. It is bi-partisan (although I doubt if you know the meaning of that word) and your McCain was in it too.
What a moron Repuke.

[tnz650-2009]

Impeach_O is probably one of those republican slugs that doesn''t care what we do, as long as we''re at "war" and he an beat his chest and waive his misguided pride all over the place. He probably STILL thinks there are weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and that what we''re doing there is actually protecting Americans. As long as there''s a soldier involved, then whatever they''re doing is good for the country. But when it comes down to actually doing some good for the troops, like writing his republican congressman and demanding that action be taken on the abysmal way the military is treating Iraq vetrans, he probably doesn''t have any time for that. Would probably interfere with his T-off time at the country club. Your kind are nothing but all bark an no action. Except to stand in the way of people who really do want to do something good for the country. Bark away lamo. Your chest thumping, patriotic rhetoric is old and tired and laughable.

[nghtcase]

It''''s No wonder Bush wants immunity for everyone who was ''''just following orders''''- his illegal orders.
Posted by impeach___w at 07:33 PM : Dec 11, 2008
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You''re such a ******* Do you honestly think that NO ONE knew *** was going on?? Doesn''t congress send what they feel should be done to the president? Doesn''t it have to pass thru THEM first? He didn''t just pull those orders out of his ***. THEY ALL KNEW before Bush did. It''s so easy to make a "patsy" out of someone else. Therefore, Bush was only doing the JOB that was asked of him by THEM. Unlike another president we had, Mr "too busy getting a job" clinton.

[arnoldbowers]

I as either loosing my mind or "rightchase" has really flipped out the stupidass bush is still holding secret the things he did to the people he has captrured and put in cuba for his pleasure and then he personnaly did commit treason by allowing the military men and women do as they pleased and even thanked them for doing so. They got him the answers he wanted and he did not care if they were fact or fiction just the answers he wanted.
Our Republican comntroled Congess at the time were all in lolla la land as they had complete and controled power and the democrats could do nothing as they had given their word like "FOOLS WHICH THEY WERE" THAT THEY WOULD NOT FILLERBUSTER TO STOP ANY THING.
GW BUSH AND CHENEY NEED TO BE TAKEN TO THE hAGUE FOIR WAR CRIMES TRIALS.
Frank Bowers eyes wide open and brain still working, unlikde RIGHTCHASE.

[erb0087]

"that"s why Obama won by a landslide"

An electoral college landslide, helped by astonishing Obama victories in GOP stronghold states like North Carolina, Indiana, Virginia and New Hampshire.

America clearly had had enough of Bush''s lazy incompetence.

[erb0087]

Obama''s popular vote victory, 52%-46%, while impressive and decisive, particularly for the first major Black presidential candidate, was not a landslide.

The landslide was in the Electoral College, 365-173.

[impeach___w]

You''''re such a ******* Do you honestly think that NO ONE knew *** was going on?? Doesn''''t congress send what they feel should be done to the president? Doesn''''t it have to pass thru THEM first? He didn''''t just pull those orders out of his ***. THEY ALL KNEW before Bush did. It''''s so easy to make a "patsy" out of someone else. Therefore, Bush was only doing the JOB that was asked of him by THEM. Unlike another president we had, Mr "too busy getting a job" clinton.


nghtcase, Congress are wimps we live in a nation of laws with a government for and by the people. The AG could do it himself but he is evil too.
The people now know what was done in our names with our money and we want justice.
If the information gleened was so important, none of these people should have any qualms about doing some time for getting this "important" info. Locking up the terrorists and tortuers should all be part of keeping your scared a$$e$ safe if you believe in torture so strongly.

[nghtcase]

You''re the only one saying anything about being scared. While I''m not exactly happy about the war, I''m glad that it''s being fought over there and not here on American soil.
How any of you think he "acted" as he pleased, makes you that much more naive!! I don''t understand why you believe that congress, BOTH rep''s and dem''s, sat on their faces with nothing to say. Somehow....with the way they''re running off at the mouth now, I find that very hard to believe!

[impeach___w]

the law is not a grey are as bush would have us belive. It is black and White a clearly spelled out in the constitution and our laws. Bush has no power except that which is provided by the Constitution itself. He took an oath to protect and then violated that "g o d da mned peice of paper" that gives him any presidential power.

[babooph]

Soldiers are trained to do as they are told -without question.

[downsteamjim]

Carl Levin cares more about getting elected than protecting the U.S. I hope he has all these wonderful people sent from Gitmo to his home district. I am sure they would all vote for him.