Americans Among Dead In India Chaos

Virginia Father, Teenage Daughter And A Brooklyn-Based Rabbi Each Victims Of Violence

(CBS/AP)  Private groups said Friday three U.S. citizens, including a Brooklyn-based rabbi together with his Israeli wife, were killed in militant attacks in Mumbai and the U.S. State Department said more Americans were "at risk."

The Chabad-Lubavitch movement has confirmed that a New York rabbi and his wife are among the dead in the India terrorist attack. A spokesman says Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka, have been killed in Mumbai. They ran the movement's local headquarters, which was one of 10 sites attacked.

The couple's toddler son, Moshe Holtzberg, was taken out of the center by an employee, and is now with his grandparents.

Earlier, a Virginia community that promotes a form of meditation said a father and his teenage daughter from the group were among those killed in an attack on the cafe at the Oberoi hotel. A spokeswoman from that group identified them as 58-year-old Alan Scherr and his daughter 13-year-old daughter Naomi.

A team of FBI agents was ordered to fly to India to investigate the militants who killed three Americans and injured at least two others during a wave of assaults that ripped through a commercial center of Mumbai.

American officials were working out the final details Friday with Indian diplomats for the departure of the FBI team, U.S. authorities said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the operation. A second group of investigators was on alert to join them if necessary, the officials said.

The investigators aim to learn more about the origins of the militants who carried out the lethal strikes on luxury hotels, a train station and an Orthodox Jewish center where a New York rabbi and his wife were among five hostages slain. An American and his teenage daughter traveling with a Virginia-based spiritual group were also among the 150 people killed during the coordinated attacks.

American lives remained in peril in Mumbai on Friday, the State Department said.

Warning that "Americans are still at risk on the ground," Gordon Duguid, a State Department spokesman, confirmed the deaths of two Americans in Mumbai, but would not comment further on the victims.

U.S. officials were checking with Indian authorities and hospitals to learn more about the extent of casualties.

The State Department urged Americans not to travel to the stricken city, at least through the weekend.

A Chabad-Lubavitch spokesman, Rabbi Zalman Schmotkin, identified the slain couple as Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg and his wife, Rivka. The couple, who had dual U.S. and Israeli citizenship, ran the movement's Mumbai headquarters, which was one of 10 sites attacked. The couple's toddler son, Moshe Holtzberg, survived the assault and was taken out of the center by an employee, and is now with his grandparents.

A spokeswoman for a meditation group in Virginia said two Americans traveling with the organization in Mumbai were killed. A U.S. official who spoke on condition of anonymity verified that account.

Bobbie Garvey, the spokeswoman for the Synchronicity Foundation, based in Faber, Va., identified the two slain members as Alan Scherr, 58, and his 13-year-old daughter, Naomi.

The meditation group said in a statement that four other members of the 25-person group - two Americans and two Canadians - who were staying at the Oberoi Hotel were wounded by gunfire, and were believed in stable condition.

Garvey said Scherr is a Maryland native and a former college professor.

According to the foundation's Web site: "Alan committed most of his adult life to meditation, spirituality and conscious living. He was a passionate Vedic astrologer and meditation teacher who inspired many people to begin a journey of self awareness and meditation. He was committed to making a positive difference in the world and devoted himself to the community he lived in."

Of Naomi, the 13-year-old, the site says: "Naomi was a bright and lively young woman who loved spending time with people and living life to the fullest."

State Department spokesman Robert McInturff said Thursday he could not identify those injured in Mumbai, but The Associated Press learned the name of one victim: Andi Varagona of Nashville, Tenn. She called her mother from a hospital Thursday and said she had been shot in the arm and leg while eating dinner at the Taj Mahal Palace and Tower hotel.

She said another Tennessee woman traveling with her was also injured, according to the mother, Celeste Varagona, but the woman's identity was not immediately available.

McInturff said U.S. officials have activated a phone tree to contact American citizens who registered with the U.S. consulate in Mumbai.

A South Asia specialist said Friday that the terror "group itself is probably drawing from, in large numbers, Indian operatives, but it probably enjoys a fairly healthy support of Pakistan."

"The big picture is that there's probably going to be more of this, not less of this, to come," Christine Fair of the RAND Corp. said Friday. "I don't think this is the most lethal attack that terrorists have perpetrated, but it is certainly the most expansive, in its scope and its scale and its perplexity."

Pakistan's ambassador to the U.S., Husain Haqqani, said in a statement that his country is "confronting the menace of terrorism with great vigor." Haqqani insisted "it is unfair to blame Pakistan or Pakistanis for these acts of terrorism even before an investigation is undertaken."

A U.S. counterterrorism official also cautioned that it was premature "to reach any hard-and-fast conclusions on who may be responsible for the attacks." But the official, who spoke on intelligence matters on condition of anonymity, added that "some of what we're seeing is reminiscent of past terrorist operations undertaken by groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed."

The two groups mentioned by the official are Pakistani militants who have fought Indian troops in Kashmir and are reported to be linked to al Qaeda.

President-elect Barack Obama spoke Thursday by telephone with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and received several intelligence briefings. Duguid said that Rice has called Obama twice since the attacks on Mumbai began.

President Bush expressed condolences to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh in a phone call from the Camp David, Md., presidential retreat, where he remained Friday.

In a statement, Mr. Bush said: "My Administration has been working with the Indian government and the international community as Indian authorities work to ensure the safety of those still under threat. We will continue to cooperate against these extremists who offer nothing but violence and hopelessness."

The State Department set up a call center for Americans concerned about family members who may be in Mumbai. The number is 1-888-407-4747.

[mrmeatspin]

Over the last five years we murdered more than a million innocent Muslims in Iraq, and long before that we have been supporting the massacre of Palestinians. You have to expect a little push back.

Posted by metsobitso at 03:37 PM : Nov 29, 2008
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and you really dont expect we are to bend over and allow these terrorist to kill us because of that..

muslims murdering people goes way past 5 years..and if we are to weigh justice based on that..muslim WILL BE ERADICATED

[earth562]

Miketotten1

is an imposter who has used a real reporters name to spread lies and distortions.

He is paid by a Saudi/Wahabist organization set up in the United States.

This poster is on this website for over 14 hours a day 7 days a week.

Please check it out for yourself

[mrmeatspin]

Over the last five years we murdered more than a million innocent Muslims in Iraq, and long before that we have been supporting the massacre of Palestinians. You have to expect a little push back.

Posted by metsobitso at 03:37 PM : Nov 29, 2008
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indeed..and of course you expect a little reaction from us too..the biggest bullsh*t you guys push is that it is defense when you guys do the arse ripping and its VIOLATION OF YOUR RIGHts when we rip your arse..

[downsteamjim]

metsobiteit: Got back to Palestine and write some more fiction.

[metsobitso]

Over the last five years we murdered more than a million innocent Muslims in Iraq, and long before that we have been supporting the massacre of Palestinians. You have to expect a little push back.

[downsteamjim]

ms1-1-1: You sound like the late Rev. Jim Jones.

[wrmscvsuv]

DOn''t kid yourselves...Islam is at the root of the problem all right, but what solidifies their hatred against the U. S. and Britain is their loathing of the Jews.

The U. S., and Britain made a terrible mistake in encouraging the U. N. to give the Jews that track of land we now call Israel. Muslims will never forgive us for doing that, and perhaps they shouldn''t. That land belonged to the Palestinians for 1000 years--since the Crusades--and who were we to tell them that they had to part with it?

[downsteamjim]

CBS_OlIVE: The two groups you mention [jaish-mohammed and Laskar-e-Taiba] are both Islamic killer groups. A rose is a rose is... A Muslim terrorist by any other name would be just as deadly.

[puritan9]

Islam is nothing but a mental virus. It has nothing of positive value to offer the world or its own people. Death and destruction are the history of this deficient philosophy - it would be is mistake to call this hate mongering thought process a religion. Any faith that considers just one level better than dogs and refuses to change with time is a defunct belief system. Islam will eventually self-destruct due to its own uselessness.

[cbs_oliver]

"A U.S. counterterrorism official also cautioned that it was premature "to reach any hard-and-fast conclusions on who may be responsible for the attacks." But the official, who spoke on intelligence matters on condition of anonymity, added that "some of what we''re seeing is reminiscent of past terrorist operations undertaken by groups such as Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Mohammed.""

I am glad to see that there are still Americans left who can at least consider that a terrorist attack of this type could involve some group other than al Qaeda and be motivated by other ideas than those of al Qaeda.

Our news reporting suffers because there is no downside to a journalist with an American news organization rashly claiming al Qaeda involvement or inspiration and being wrong.

It is always worth keeping in mind that there are many disparate sources of hostile thought and violence and some are even Christian.

[ffoulkes-2009]

This is what George Bush never had the intelligence to recognize. People do these things BECAUSE they have nothing but violence and hopelessness left. They aren''''t "bad people". They are people left with no other alternative.

Posted by mljohns00 at 05:32 PM : Nov 28, 2008
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I don''t buy that for a minute, and neither do most Americans. These people are targeting and KILLING innocent people. This is not ''collateral damage'', but is rather the point of the attacks. They all have the alternative of laying down their weapons and growing WITH the world instead of trying to bring the world back down to their level.

[babooph]

US foreign policy has not made the world a utopian playground for the rich-they will now live in guilded prisons & gated communities,body guards knocking up their daughters.

[mrmeatspin]

brianbwb says those people don''''t care one bit about Mr. Obama. They must care a little. They gave him a lot of money for his campaign.

Posted by runningralph at 09:53 PM : Nov 28, 2008
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these terrorist DOES CARE..the know that obama is no bush..meaning..the terrorisim business will be good for the next 4 years..

[mrmeatspin]

wow these guys are really getting busy..bush is not even out of the white house yet and they are already warming up the terrorist business welcome mat for obama..

for obama sake, i hope he DOES walk on water and raise the dead...

because so far only the likes of osama are getting giddy with this ''change''

[smurfcrusher]

"Owlwoman: Do you know the difference between moderate muslim and radical muslim? A moderate muslim sharpens his sword before he cuts your head off."

Posted by downsteamjim

Your hatred is exceeded only by your ignorance.
You should probably tell your "joke" to Bush, since he has sponsored Islamic breakfasts at the White House, for years.

[downsteamjim]

Owlwoman: Do you know the difference between moderate muslim and radical muslim? A moderate muslim sharpens his sword before he cuts your head off.

[brianp55]

"These attacks prove again how tired people are. This is exactly what happens when a government oppresses, and represses people. the Indian rulers oppress and step on people and then they dont know why stuff like this happens. Stop the oppression and attacks like this will come to a conclusion. People are sick and tired of being treated like animals. "...ndjam

BS. This is nothing more than Islamic *** scum murdering innocent citizens in an attempt to drive a wedge between India and the US.

[owlwomanxxxx]

I am having a hard time trying to understand why the Moderate Muslims are not condemning these terrorists loud and clear......Until they do start saying something about the violence we should be asking them some very hard questions.....Did you see any Muslim clerics condemning the India coupe? someone had better step up to the plate..or a lot of Americans are going to start looking at you with suspicions...prejudice or not...What''s going on?

[runningralph]

brianbwb says those people don''t care one bit about Mr. Obama. They must care a little. They gave him a lot of money for his campaign.

[ndjam]

These attacks prove again how tired people are. This is exactly what happens when a government oppresses, and represses people. the Indian rulers oppress and step on people and then they dont know why stuff like this happens. Stop the oppression and attacks like this will come to a conclusion. People are sick and tired of being treated like animals.