MUMBAI, India, Nov. 28, 2008

India Terror Siege Drags On At Hotel

As Many As Six Gunmen May Be In Taj Mahal; Five Hostages Found Dead Inside Jewish Center

    • Army personnel lie down near a tourism poster of Taj Mahal Hotel, and aim a grenade launcher at a part of the facade of the Taj Mahal Hotel, unseen, in Mumbai, India, Friday, Nov. 28, 2008. Photo

      Army personnel lie down near a tourism poster of Taj Mahal Hotel, and aim a grenade launcher at a part of the facade of the Taj Mahal Hotel, unseen, in Mumbai, India, Friday, Nov. 28, 2008.  (AP Photo/Rajanish Kakade)

    • An Indian soldiers aims at Taj Mahal Hotel where suspected militants are holed up during an assault in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008. Photo

      An Indian soldiers aims at Taj Mahal Hotel where suspected militants are holed up during an assault in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008.  (AP Photo/Altaf Qadri)

    • A rescued hostage waves as she sits in a bus after being released from Oberoi Trident Hotel in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008. Photo

      A rescued hostage waves as she sits in a bus after being released from Oberoi Trident Hotel in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008.  (AP Photo/Gurinder Osan)

    • Indian commando comes down a rope to reach the top of Nariman House, a location under siege by suspected militants in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008. Photo

      Indian commando comes down a rope to reach the top of Nariman House, a location under siege by suspected militants in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008.  (AP Photo/Siddhartha Babaji)

    • Indian army soldiers patrol outside Oberoi Trident Hotel where suspected militants are holed up in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008. Photo

      Indian army soldiers patrol outside Oberoi Trident Hotel where suspected militants are holed up in Mumbai, India, Nov. 28, 2008.  (AP Photo/Altaf Qadri)

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(CBS/AP)  A fresh battle is raging at the Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai, India. Meanwhile, commandos ended a siege at another luxury hotel and stormed the headquarters of an ultra-orthodox Jewish group.

Indian and Israeli rescue officials say the commandos found the bodies of five hostages inside the Jewish center. Two gunmen were also killed.

Meanwhile, as many as six gunmen are thought to be in the Taj Mahal hotel. After hours of intermittent gunfire and explosions Indian forces began launching grenades at the landmark hotel.

Commandos had killed the two last gunmen inside the nearby Oberoi earlier in the day, and the head of the commando unit says it's under control.

More than 150 people have been killed since gunmen attacked 10 sites across India's financial capital starting Wednesday night, including 22 foreigners two of them Americans, officials said.

Early Friday night, Indian commandos emerged from a besieged Jewish center with rifles raised in an apparent sign of victory after a daylong siege that saw a team rappel from helicopters and a series of explosions and fire rock the building and blow giant holes in the wall.

After hours of intermittent gunfire and explosions at the elegant Taj Mahal hotel Friday, the battle heated up at dusk when Indian forces began launching grenades at the hotel, where at least one militant was believed to be holed up inside a ballroom, officials said.

CBS News correspondent Celia Hatton reported that the chief of the of commando unit which raided the Taj Mahal Friday said he had seen about 50 bodies strewn about inside the luxury hotel.

Commandos had killed the two last gunmen inside the nearby Oberoi earlier in the day.

"The hotel is under our control," J.K. Dutt, director general of India's elite National Security Guard commando unit, told reporters, adding that 24 bodies had been found. Dozens of people - including a man clutching a baby - had been evacuated from Oberoi earlier Friday.

The airborne assault on the center run by the ultra-orthodox Jewish outreach group Chabad Lubavitch was punctuated by gunshots and explosions and exchanges of fire as forces cleared it floor by floor, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene.

Nearly 12 hours after the battle began, Indian troops left the building to cheers from the crowd, but the fate of the two to three hostages believed to be inside was unclear, said Mumbai Police Chief Hassan Ghaffoor. Ghaffoor said "the operation was ongoing" but in its "final stage."

Israel's ambassador to India, Mark Sofer, said they believed there were up to nine hostages inside. Sofer denied reports that Israeli commandos were taking part in the operation.

Moshe Holtzberg, a 2-year-old who was smuggled out of the center by an employee, is now with his grandparents. His grandfather told Israel Radio on Friday that he had no news of Moshe's parents.

More than were 288 injured when suspected Islamic militants attacked 10 sites in Mumbai starting Wednesday evening. Two Americans - a Virginia man and his teenage daughter - are confirmed dead. Read more.

At least eight foreigners are known to have been killed so far and 22 more have been injured, said top security official M.L. Kumawat. The dead include three Germans, and one person each from Japan, Canada, Britain and Australia. The nationality of one more victim is unknown.

The injured include five from Britain, three Germans, two Americans, two from Oman and one each from Norway, Spain, Canada, Finland, Philippines, Australia, Italy and China. Two more were unknown.

Security officials said their operations were almost over.

"It's just a matter of a few hours that we'll be able to wrap up things," Lt. Gen. N. Thamburaj told reporters Friday morning.

Dozens of people were evacuated from the luxury Oberoi earlier Friday, including 20 Western airline crew members and an earlier group of seven, some of whom were carrying luggage bearing Canadian flags.

About nine masked Indian commandos dropped from helicopters onto the roof of the Jewish center, where Muslim militants were rumored to have taken hostages - possibly including a rabbi and his wife. Sharpshooters kept up a steady stream of fire at the five-story building.

Shortly after the commandos landed on the roof of the building, top Indian Army commander Lt. Gen. N. Thamburaj said anti-terrorist operations in Mumbai should be over within a few hours.

On Thursday morning, two workers and a child escaped from the building, the only people to emerge so far. The child was identified as Moshe Holtzberg, 2, the son of Rabbi Gavriel Noach Holtzberg, the main representative at Chabad house. The child was unharmed, but his clothes were soaked in blood.

Hundreds of people had been captive in the two hotels, many locking themselves in their rooms or trying to hide as the gunmen roamed the buildings.

Commandos spent much of Thursday bringing out hostages, trapped guests and corpses from the hotels in small groups while firefighters battled flames that erupted. The fires were out by Friday.

(AP Photo)
Dalbir Bains, who runs a lingerie shop in Mumbai, had just sat down for dinner by the pool at the Taj Mahal (seen at left) when she heard the first shots. She ran upstairs and huddled under a table in the Sea Lounge restaurant. She and about 50 others who were with her tried to remain as quiet as possible.

"The gun shots were following us," said Bains, as she recounted her ordeal. (Click here for more harrowing eyewitness accounts.)

The well-coordinated strikes by small bands of gunmen starting Wednesday night left the city shell-shocked. An Indian police official said Friday that 24 bodies had been found when security personnel entered the Oberoi, raising the death toll from the attacks to 143 people. Almost 300 more were injured.

As the extent of the carnage was revealed Friday, the origin of the attack remained a mystery, with different reports pinning the likely blame on India's well-established Islamic militant groups, but increasing rhetoric that pointed a finger of guilt in the direction of Pakistan.

"According to preliminary information, some elements in Pakistan are responsible for Mumbai terror attacks," Indian External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee told reporters Friday in the western city of Jodhpur. "Proof cannot be disclosed at this time."

On Thursday, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh blamed "external forces" for the violence - a phrase, reported CBS News correspondent Mark Phillips, which means Pakistan or groups operating from within Pakistan.

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According to preliminary information, some elements in Pakistan are responsible for Mumbai terror attacks.

Pranab Mukherjee
Indian External Affairs Minister
Phillips reported that the two neighboring, nuclear-armed countries have been trying to build confidence after years of fighting over the Indian-held territory of Kashmir.

But militant groups hostile to India and the West still operate in Pakistan, and certain elements within Pakistan's powerful military intelligence services are thought to be sympathetic.

Pakistan said Friday it would send its top intelligence official to India to help with the investigation. The office of Pakistani Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani said he had agreed to send the head of the Inter Services Intelligence agency based on a request from his Indian counterpart.

A government statement said Indian premier Manmohan Singh told Gilani during a phone call on Friday that preliminary reports about the attack "point towards Karachi," Pakistan's largest city. The statement didn't elaborate.

India's NDTV reported Friday that one or two of the gunmen may have been British nationals of Pakistani descent. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said no "early conclusions" could be made "about British involvement" in the attacks, and NDTV did not offer evidence to support the claim.

Indian media reports said a previously unknown group calling itself the Deccan Mujahideen claimed responsibility in e-mails to several media outlets. The Deccan is a region in southern India that was traditionally ruled by Muslim kings.

Walid Phares, a Senior Fellow and the director of the Future Terrorism Project at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies in Washington, told CBS News that the attacks may have been intended to take pressure off Islamic militants operating inside Pakistan.

Phares explained that, as India-Pakistan relations have improved under pressure from the U.S., troops have been slowly moving away from the two country's shared border and advanced instead toward the Taliban deeper inside Pakistan.

He said it was possible the Mumbai attacks were aimed at relaxing pressure on Taliban and other extremists along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border by re-establishing the tensions on the Indian side.

Analysts around the world were debating whether the gunmen could have been tied to - or inspired by - al Qaeda.

"It's clear that it is al Qaeda style," but probably not carried out by the group's militants, said Rohan Gunaratna, of the International Center for Political Violence and Terrorism Research in Singapore and author of "Inside Al Qaeda."

(Mumbai Mirror, Sebastian D'souza)
The gunmen were well-prepared, even carrying large bags of almonds to keep up their energy during the fight. Their main targets appeared to be Americans, Britons and Jews, though most of the dead seemed to be Indians and foreign tourists caught in the random gunfire.

The gunmen - some of whom strode casually through their targets in khakis and T-shirts - clearly came ready for a siege.

"They have AK-47s and grenades. They have bags full of grenades and have come fully prepared," said Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda.

A U.S. investigative team was heading to Mumbai, a State Department official said Thursday evening, speaking on condition of anonymity because the U.S. and Indian governments were still working out final details. The official declined to identify which agency or agencies the team members came from.

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by humanavance November 28, 2008 2:00 AM PST
"All the religions of peace.

Fighting to the death."
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A Future of the Brave
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by deckardbr November 28, 2008 2:00 AM PST
The gunmen were well-prepared, even carrying large bags of almonds to keep up their energy during the fight.

"They have bags full of grenades and have come fully prepared," said Maj. Gen. R.K. Hooda.

The gunmen were overpowered when they began throwing almonds and eating hand grenades by mistake.
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by downtowner97 November 28, 2008 3:14 AM PST
The last thing the hostage takers will say before they are killed will be: "Have I provided you with excellent customer service?"

Either that or "Thank you, come again!"
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by wingnutsblow November 28, 2008 4:01 AM PST
"CBS News'' partner network Sky News"

You mean Rupert Murdochs'' Sky News? Veeery interesting...
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by xpineapple November 28, 2008 5:50 AM PST
I hope the press try stop fanning the flames of terrorism. By sensationalizing everything terror, you are effectively giving the terrorists a mega stage they want and need to spread their message. Granted, you must cover such news worthy topics, but do so in a way that does not fan the flames more. CNN, for example, constantly uses terror in its own promotional pieces, which plays hundreds of times each day. Now with India''s Foreign Minister Prenab Mukherjee saying that preliminary evidence may point to elements with links to Pakistan, the press is starting to generalize this into an indictment that India is making against the Pakistani government. Nothing could be further from the truth. Where did ethics in journalism go?
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by whitewolf60 November 28, 2008 7:55 AM PST
It''s funny that you have never seen anyone from the Pagan / Wiccan community pull the BS that we''ve been seeing in India.... it''s been from "the big 3" Xtianity, islam and judiasm.

*things that make ya go Hmmm....*
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by earache4 November 28, 2008 8:15 AM PST
Sir, I''m sorry, I don''t see a Bible or a Quoran or any other piece of religion running around with grenades and rifles, or bags of almonds....
Posted by Rowdydfw at 04:24 AM

Well there is the Holy handgrenade. (It''s in the Book of Armaments).
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by runningralph November 28, 2008 8:16 AM PST
seis-6-seis says I don''t get it. Obama is not a terrorist. I guess I''ll get it when I see Obama taking active steps to squelch terrorism. All I see so far is Obama sucking up to Louis Farakhan, and taking campaign contributions from jihadists.
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by downsteamjim November 28, 2008 8:21 AM PST
How many Indians were killed? Apparently only Westerners are real people to CBS.
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by earache4 November 28, 2008 8:23 AM PST
How many Indians were killed? Apparently only Westerners are real people to CBS.
Posted by downsteamjim at 08:21 AM

It has always been that way. You never heard how many Indians died at Little Big Horn....
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by nidafatima November 28, 2008 8:26 AM PST
hi 1st of all i want to say that all pakistanies are with u in this situation,& we are very sad on death of human brothers,but when we heared that you are blaming pakistan for this its really hurt us.we are not terrorist and our religon gives us the leason of peace & love
ap log bohot education rakhte hain lekin ab bhi ap logon ki thinking negative hai chahe hindu ho ya muslim koi bhi religon terrorism ko pasand nahi karta.our prophet(PBUH)said that murder of one person is the murder of all nation so how can we do this?
plz stop this propegenda against pakistanies.
pakistan is honest with you but its really bad that u people are not honest with us.
plz be honest & faithful and stop negative politics activities.
in the i want to say to all the world LOVE FOR ALL & HATRED FOR NONE.
thats it thnk you GOD bless u .
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by nidafatima November 28, 2008 8:27 AM PST
hi 1st of all i want to say that all pakistanies are with u in this situation,& we are very sad on death of human brothers,but when we heared that you are blaming pakistan for this its really hurt us.we are not terrorist and our religon gives us the leason of peace & love
ap log bohot education rakhte hain lekin ab bhi ap logon ki thinking negative hai chahe hindu ho ya muslim koi bhi religon terrorism ko pasand nahi karta.our prophet(PBUH)said that murder of one person is the murder of all nation so how can we do this?
plz stop this propegenda against pakistanies.
[b]pakistan is honest with you but its really bad that u people are not honest with us.
plz be honest & faithful and stop negative politics activities.
in the i want to say to all the world LOVE FOR ALL & HATRED FOR NONE.
thats it thnk you GOD bless u .[/b]
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by nidafatima November 28, 2008 8:27 AM PST
hi 1st of all i want to say that all pakistanies are with u in this situation,& we are very sad on death of human brothers,but when we heared that you are blaming pakistan for this its really hurt us.we are not terrorist and our religon gives us the leason of peace & love
ap log bohot education rakhte hain lekin ab bhi ap logon ki thinking negative hai chahe hindu ho ya muslim koi bhi religon terrorism ko pasand nahi karta.our prophet(PBUH)said that murder of one person is the murder of all nation so how can we do this?
plz stop this propegenda against pakistanies.
[b]pakistan is honest with you but its really bad that u people are not honest with us.
plz be honest & faithful and stop negative politics activities.
in the i want to say to all the world LOVE FOR ALL & HATRED FOR NONE.
thats it thnk you GOD bless u .[/b]
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by earache4 November 28, 2008 8:30 AM PST
hi 1st of all i want to say that all pakistanies are with u in this situation
Posted by nidafatima at 08:27 AM

That''s your third (1st of all)....
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by downsteamjim November 28, 2008 8:51 AM PST
nidafatima: Give it a break. There are plenty of Pakis who are cheered by the news. Without help from Pakistan, the Taliban would never have ruled Afganistan.
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by krescera November 28, 2008 9:18 AM PST
The sheer cowardice of these Ismamist fascists in Mumbai cannot be exaggerated.The scum has been systamatically crushed by the brave Indian fighters.Jai Hind !!!
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by downsteamjim November 28, 2008 9:21 AM PST
renrafden: C O L D B L O O D E D M U R D E R E R S
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by libsh8theusa November 28, 2008 9:21 AM PST
If Muslims take credit for this horrific act then ALL MUSLIMS MUST CONDEMN THIS ACTION.!!!!.

If not then it proves that Islam is a religion of HATE..!!!!






And if all Muslims do not condemn this act after other muslims claim responsibility for this action then maybe it is time for people to start bombing Mosques.. Give them a taste of their own medicine!!!
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by nokia3210c November 28, 2008 9:22 AM PST
MY TAKE TO THIS INCIDENT:- A STAGE IS SET TO ATTACK PAKISTAN IN THE PRETEXT THAT PAKISTAN HABOUURS AND SPONSORS MUMBAI TERRORISTS. REMEMBER US PRESIDENT-ELECT DURING THE LAST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE HE SAID CATOGORICALLY THAT PAKISTAN MUST BE STABILIZED BY ANY MEANS. THE TARGET HERE IS PAKISTAN. ALL THESE ARE JUST PRE-PLANNED MOVES TO DESRCEDIT PAKISTAN PRESIDENT THAT HE IS WEAK AND UNALBE TO RULE AND THERE REQUIRES MILLITARY INTERVENTION. BUT THE BIGGER PICTURE HERE IS IRAN. JUST THINK THIS WAY - IF AMERICA INREACES TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN, THEN PAKISTAN IS ATTACKED AND AMERICAN BASES IS ESTABLISHED, THEN IRAN WILL SANDWITCHED IN ALL SIDES. US FORCES IN IRAQ, AFGHANISTAN AND PAKISTAN, AND IRAN IN THE MIDDLE. WHAT DU YOU THINK WILL HAPPEN NEXT!!!!
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by renojmc November 28, 2008 9:29 AM PST
Had enough? Are you convinced yet that Islam is a huge and growing problem worldwide? And yet our idiot liberal leaders don''t see it that way.

Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for the last 7 years. God help us starting in January.
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by downsteamjim November 28, 2008 9:34 AM PST
NOKIA: You are suggesting that not yet President Obama set this up. It is just as likely that the PTA using the Muppets organized this attack.
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by earache4 November 28, 2008 9:38 AM PST
Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for the last 7 years. God help us starting in January.
Posted by renojmc at 09:29 AM

Which God? The Islamic God, or the Jewish God?...or the Hindu God, or the Scientologist God....
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by nokia3210c November 28, 2008 9:41 AM PST
A STAGE IS SET HERE FOR THE INCOMING PRESIDENT-ELECT TO TAKE STERN ACTION AGAINST ANY COUNTRY SPECIALLY PAKISTAN THAT HABOURS TERRORISTS. PLEASE EVERYBODY TRY TO REALIZE THIS. ITS ALL ABOUT IRAN. IT MUST NOT BE LET TO ACQUIRE NUKE AT WHATEVER COST.
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by libsh8theusa November 28, 2008 9:48 AM PST
I can''t wait until the followers of Allah get nukes.. Then we will see some fireworks..






I just hope that the suicide bombers get together and have some live fire training exercises in the middle east..
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by nokia3210c November 28, 2008 9:49 AM PST
IT MIGHT NOT BE HIM BUT THOSE WHO PLANNED AND EXCECUTED 911. REMEMBER THAT. NOT MUSLI WAS INVOLVED IN THE 911 ATTACK, BELIEVE YOU ME. IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE ME PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE -911WEKNOW.COM. BUT FOR THE MUMBAI ATTACK MY BELIEVE IS THAT A PRETEXT IS SET TO INVADE PAKISTAN. ALSO REMEMBER IRAN ISSUE!!!?? THATS IS THE FINAL GOAL/DESTINATION.
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by cbs_oliver November 28, 2008 9:51 AM PST
And if all Muslims do not condemn this act after other muslims claim responsibility for this action then maybe it is time for people to start bombing Mosques.. Give them a taste of their own medicine!!!

Posted by libsh8theUSA at 09:21 AM : Nov 28, 2008

You should not be making terrorist threats.

We''ve had enough of that.
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by downsteamjim November 28, 2008 9:53 AM PST
Rem: Okay, have a nice one. Today is a holiday but I''ve got yard work to do. Keep ''em honest.
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by willihandjiv November 28, 2008 9:57 AM PST
When the superstitious get their beloved nukes then I agree ... the real fireworks will begin. Then the final confrontation will begin. So much for sanity and the human race, but other than that, great belief structure and attitude!
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by tomflint69 November 28, 2008 10:03 AM PST
Had enough? Are you convinced yet that Islam is a huge and growing problem worldwide? And yet our idiot liberal leaders don''''t see it that way.

Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for the last 7 years. God help us starting in January.

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Posted by renojmc at 09:29 AM : Nov 28, 2008


Yes I agree with you that more and more people are accepting Islam.




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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 10:17 AM PST
These are people of faith! The kind Sarah Palin and the Republicans like! Bigoted, vicious and uncompromising.

Kind of like the Bornagain Endtimers and the Army of God in the USA.

Posted by jbrown88881 at 10:12 AM : Nov 28, 2008
You are absolutely right!
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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 10:27 AM PST
Eventhough the area of operation was India, the terrorists were looking for people with American and British PassportS and they stormed Jewish Center and killed 5 Jewish hostages inside that building.
Doesn''t this explain anything.
It was UK which was responsible for bringing Europeans into Palestine after WWII to occupy the land of those Palestinians by force who had nothing to do with the actions of Hitler.
It''s those Christian enemies of the United States inside the United States, who support the idea of sacrifising GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICAN MONEY, GOD-NEGLECTED AMERICAN LIVES and UNHOLY LAND UNITED STATES, for a NON-AMERICAN CAUSE, NON-AMERICAN PEOPLE chosen by a RACIST, UNJUST and ANTI-AMERICAN GOD and a NON-AMERICAN HOLY LAND, far away from any state or territory of the United States.
If Europeans were not brought into Palestine after WWII to occupy the land of those Palestinians by force who had nothing to do with the actions of Hitler because bible said so, Islamic Terrorists would not be able to recruit terrorists to commit terrorism because Koran said so.
Mother of all the evils is bible and CHRISTIANITY!
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by renojmc November 28, 2008 10:29 AM PST
Thank you President Bush for keeping us safe for the last 7 years. God help us starting in January.
Posted by renojmc at 09:29 AM

Which God? The Islamic God, or the Jewish God?...or the Hindu God, or the Scientologist God....

Posted by earache4 at 09:38 AM : Nov 28, 2008
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There is only one God. He is the God of the Bible. Any other god is a false god.
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by andrew_693 November 28, 2008 10:38 AM PST
wow, this poor son of a bi... didn''t know that 9-11 happen under bush''s watch and that thousands of illegal immigrants broke through our border therefore never keeping us safe.. someboy please tell him that thanks to bush al quaeda and their religious terrorists have swollen their ranks thanks to bush and jesus.
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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 10:50 AM PST
There is only one God. He is the God of the Bible. Any other god is a false god.

Posted by renojmc at 10:29 AM : Nov 28, 2008

You talking about the same terrorist god of bible who ordered death sentance for anybody worshiping some other god by saying;
"Take the evil man and woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death"
Deut 17:2-7
"You must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it"
Deut 13:13-19
"Any one who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him"
Lev 24:16
All these non-sense written in that manual of terrorism we call bible which also say;
"The law of the LORD is perfect"
Psalm 19:7


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by mdbill-2009 November 28, 2008 10:51 AM PST
of course these attacks are by crazy fanatical zealots. difference b/w these and christian zealots is that you don''t see christians running around blowing up hotels and terrorizing civilians. here''s a novel idea, let''s execute all radical muslim terrorists with hollow point bullets filled with hog blood, then bury them face down (facing west) in hog entrails. i''ve got a feeling that will put a damper on future radical muslim activity without directly affecting the mainstream peaceful muslim societies.
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by willihandjiv November 28, 2008 10:51 AM PST
"Love" the moral-equivalency-speak going on here! There''s nothing like a fresh tragedy to promote liberal half-thoughts. Why not stick to the headline above? Jihadists killed innocent people. Anyone with a heart would feel something for the victims.
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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 10:51 AM PST
Also see what leader of peace "Jesus" said in Matthew 10:34-39
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man''s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it"
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by toolmangler-2009 November 28, 2008 10:54 AM PST
Mother of all the evils is bible and CHRISTIANITY!

Posted by patriotic9 at 10:27 AM : Nov 28, 2008



And Muslims never kill anybody, it always Christians that do the killing. Christians strap explosives on Muslim women and children then gather themselves around the ''poor'' victims then detonate the bombs by rermote control so that it will appear that the Muslim faithful committed suicide to kill scores of people and drive the invaders out. Its such a shame that those hundreds of Christians will go to such lengths just to kill a couple of Muslims.
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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 10:55 AM PST
of course these attacks are by crazy fanatical zealots. difference b/w these and christian zealots is that you don''''t see christians running around blowing up hotels and terrorizing civilians. here''''s a novel idea, let''''s execute all radical muslim terrorists with hollow point bullets filled with hog blood, then bury them face down (facing west) in hog entrails. i''''ve got a feeling that will put a damper on future radical muslim activity without directly affecting the mainstream peaceful muslim societies.

Posted by mdbill at 10:51 AM : Nov 28, 2008

You probably are unaware of those Christians who killed more then 600,000 innocent Iraqis for setting up the stage for battle of Armagaddon and 2nd coming of terrorist leader "Christ", who according to the bible said;
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man''''s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it"
Matthew 10:34-39


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by toolmangler-2009 November 28, 2008 10:58 AM PST
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it"
Posted by patriotic9 at 10:51 AM : Nov 28, 2008



The saddest thing is that you are clueless as to what Jesus said. You deserve your future.
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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 11:01 AM PST
And Muslims never kill anybody, it always Christians that do the killing. Christians strap explosives on Muslim women and children then gather themselves around the ''''poor'''' victims then detonate the bombs by rermote control so that it will appear that the Muslim faithful committed suicide to kill scores of people and drive the invaders out. Its such a shame that those hundreds of Christians will go to such lengths just to kill a couple of Muslims.

Posted by ToolMangler at 10:54 AM : Nov 28, 2008

I totally agree with you about Muslim terrorist being evil as they are the brothers of their Radical Christian friends and Islam is nothing but a continuation of Christianity.
It was a Radical Christian "Reagan", who gave money, weapons and military training to his Radical Muslim brother OSAMA BEEN FORGOTTEN!
They both share same values like;
Advocating marriage right for Heterosexual citizens while denouncing same right for the Homosexuals.
Denouncing women''s right to choose abortion while taking lives of hundreds of millions of innocent people in the name of their god.
Denouncing equal rights for women, etc.
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by mdbill-2009 November 28, 2008 11:04 AM PST
"patriotic", grow up, it wasn''t christians that killed iraqis it was that idiot bush and his misguided policies. christians aren''t strapping bombs to innocent muslims.... like your idiot buddy "tool" thinks, christians had their crazy zealot period during the crusades, now certain elements of the muslim faith are having theirs. most muslims are peaceful and don''t want anything to do with these crazy terrorist. i''m just suggesting a way to deal with crazy muslim terrorists, soak them in hog blood, this will create fear in future terrorist because as part of their crazy fundamentalist beliefs they believe they will go to hell for just coming in contact with a hog. it''s ok for them to kill innocent people, but GOD forbid they come in contact with a drop of pig blood!
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by mdbill-2009 November 28, 2008 11:06 AM PST
"patriotic", grow up, it wasn''t christians that killed iraqis it was that idiot bush and his misguided policies. christians aren''t strapping bombs to innocent muslims.... like your idiot buddy "tool" thinks, christians had their crazy zealot period during the crusades, now certain elements of the muslim faith are having theirs. most muslims are peaceful and don''t want anything to do with these crazy terrorist. i''m just suggesting a way to deal with crazy muslim terrorists, soak them in hog blood, this will create fear in future terrorists because as part of their crazy fundamentalist beliefs they believe they will go to hell for just coming in contact with a hog. it''s ok for them to kill innocent people, but GOD forbid they come in contact with a drop of pig blood!
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by patriotic9 November 28, 2008 11:07 AM PST
I wish I could talk to you people a little more but I gotta go to a strip club which opens at 12 noon. I wish all of you a fun weekend!
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by neonink November 28, 2008 11:09 AM PST
Plant the pictures of every Mumbai terrorist, AND their wife(s), their kids, their mommy and daddy, sister, brother, neighbor, co-worker, church going member in every media available.

Then plant the pictures of everybody they ever slept with, said hello to, and shook hands with.

Humiliate these vermin and their spawn and even acquaintances. Set up a banishment system within their own ilk.

Eventually a complete shunning of these ways is the only way to combat the problem.


and if that doesn''t help, make them attend American high schools. And they will really learn about peer pressure....
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by toolmangler-2009 November 28, 2008 11:16 AM PST
It is people that live in the past and bear hateful grudges that foment the problems of today,
[Patriotic9 says]
"You probably are unaware of those Christians who killed more then 600,000 innocent Iraqis for setting up the stage for battle of Armagaddon and 2nd coming of terrorist leader "Christ",

That is in the past, It is unchangeable. Go after something worthwhile, like the future without war, hate, greed. Continuing to hold to a dead thing will corrupt the holder, the past is dead, live for tomorrow which is what you make of it.
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by toolmangler-2009 November 28, 2008 11:25 AM PST
"Eventually a complete shunning of these ways is the only way to combat the problem."

Posted by neonink at 11:09 AM : Nov 28, 2008




That is the only intelligent thing you posted that time.
All of the other things you said will do nothing but hurt somebody that may not have anything to do with this stupidity. Why hurt the innocent? That makes you no different than the terrorist.
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by denn034 November 28, 2008 11:58 AM PST
The Muslim zealots that did this are no different than the Gay zealots that mailed powder to two Mormon temples after Prop 8 was defeated. Terrorists are terrorists regardless of what motivates them.
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by voltaire777 November 28, 2008 12:06 PM PST
Q: What is the root cause of terrorism, without which there can be no terrorists?

A: Religion

Q: How do you rid the world of terrorism?

A: Stop it at its root.

It''s time to put these useless, false and ancient fairy tales behind us before they totally destroy modern society.
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by guysdigdirt November 28, 2008 12:12 PM PST
Q: What is the root cause of terrorism, without which there can be no terrorists?

A: Religion

Q: How do you rid the world of terrorism?

A: Stop it at its root.

It''''s time to put these useless, false and ancient fairy tales behind us before they totally destroy modern society.
Posted by Voltaire777

You seem to be the only one with a fairy tale in your mind.
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