8-Year-Old's Confession Draws Fire

Taped Interrogation Of Child Accused Of Killing Dad "Absurd," Says CBS News Legal Analyst

(CBS/AP)  The 8-year-old boy accused of killing his father and another man in Eastern Arizona was subjected to an "absurd" police interrogation, a legal analyst told CBS' The Early Show Thursday.

"What we know is that children under 12 are especially susceptible to questioning by an adult," legal analyst Lisa Bloom said.

The roughly 12-minute video posted Monday night on Phoenix television station KTVK's Web site shows what police say is a confession to the Nov. 5 shooting deaths. The station said it got the video from the prosecutor's office in Apache County, where the shootings occurred.

"I think I shot my dad because he was suffering, I think," the boy said toward the end of the hour-long interrogation, though Bloom notes that the admission comes only after repeated officer questioning.

"Children tell authority figures what they think the authority figure wants to hear," said Bloom. "This child was not Mirandized; there was no attorney for him in that room; there was no parent or legal guardian. He was simply answering questions by two police officers in uniforms with guns."

On Wednesday, a judge ruled that the boy will be allowed to spend the Thanksgiving holiday next week with his mother, a move that drew criticism from the family of the second victim.

The boy and his mother, Eryn Thomas, sat beside each other in court Wednesday in St. Johns, often leaning over and whispering into one another's ear. The boy, wearing a navy blue shirt and pants, was free from the cuffs he wore in a previous hearing.

Judge Michael Roca agreed to allow the boy to leave juvenile detention from noon on Nov. 26 until noon on Nov. 28. Prosecutor Brad Carlyon objected, citing concerns about the safety of the public.

Defense attorney Ronald Wood said the boy is not doing well and has trouble sleeping in detention. He said it was important that the boy "have somebody to talk to."

Although the boy is allowed time to visit with his mother, stepmother, a grandmother and an aunt, Wood said that time is limited.

The judge said that if the boy doesn't return to detention on time, arrest warrants will be issued for him and his mother. Roca ordered that there be no guns or knives in the home while the boy is free and that the boy not be allowed to play video games or watch TV.

"Let's see how it works," Roca said.

The boy has been charged in juvenile court with two counts of murder in the Nov. 5 shootings of his father, Vincent Romero, 29, and Timothy Romans, 39, a co-worker who was renting a room.

St. Johns police Chief Roy Melnick has said he would push for the boy to be tried as an adult, though some analysts think even a juvenile court trial would be too much.

"Children this age believe in the tooth fairy, they believe in magic … it's absurd," said Bloom. "This child should not be in juvenile court or adult court, in my opinion. He should be a ward of the family court and get some social service attention."

Prosecutors have 15 days to decide if that's the route they want to take.

Roca also granted a defense motion to provide counseling services for the boy. Anything discussed between the boy and the counselor would not be admissible in court, the judge said.

Thomas left the courthouse without commenting to reporters. She lives in Mississippi but said Wednesday in court that she is staying in St. Johns.

Until his arrest, the boy was living with his father and stepmother, who were married in September. Romero had primary custody of the 8-year-old.

A friend of Romans', John Andreas, said outside court that Romans' wife, Tanya, and her family were upset that the boy will be let out for Thanksgiving.

"The family is very distressed. They don't get Tim back, they don't get Vinnie back. But this boy gets to go home, as their lawyers put it, get to have gravy, turkey, and do whatnot," Andreas said.

Police have said the boy confessed and a police video released Tuesday shows the boy telling two investigators that he fired at least two shots at each of the men. But he also gave conflicting reports of his actions that day.

A defense attorney, Benjamin Brewer, has said police overreached in their questioning of the boy, who was not represented by a family member or lawyer during the interview.

Authorities and the defense attorneys have been unable to answer questions about the case since the court issued a gag order. Attorneys for the media argued Wednesday that the gag order is overly broad and asked that it be lifted. Roca denied that request and placed limits on some public records, ordering that written transcripts be substituted for audio and video recordings.

A status conference in the case has been scheduled for Dec. 8.

[fush2]

what does bush have to do with this??

[niceface19]

CBS,ABC,NBC TV shows, all responsible for this child''s behavior.

[cricketbeers]

How can anyone give a RUNDOWN of what happened when there is a GAG ORDER on the case. We''re only fed tidbits that the media wants to feed us...that makes for good business on their part.

Oh, unless you''re the DA in this case who leaks a taped confession which, it seems to me, should make anyone with 1/2 a brain wonder why he leaked it. EVERYONE knows you must have an adult or lawyer present with a juvenile.

[lucidreams]

Can someone give me a rundown of what is most likely to have happened? I mean, everyone thinks something different, but there are too many holes in the story for me to understand anything.

[armydog2]

Reading these posts and I can''t get my head around this whole situation. Some of you want the kid to fry and some of you feel bad for him and he is just a child.
Emotional trauma keeps coming up and could very well have been what led this child to commit this crime if he even did. Was this child afforded his miranda rights and if so did he understand them.Was his mom or a responsible guardian there to help this child during the interrogation? I thought juveniles were supposed to have an adult there during this. If that was my child he would not have been subjected to an interrogation without a lawyer present. You are right this is FUBAR!!!

[owlwomanxxxx]

I think that whole town is nuts

[usmc1968]

After listening to this coercive interrogation it only made more asured this saint johns police department is staffed by idiots, who ought to have never been issued badges, let alone allowed to be the local dog catcher! Any half wit knows a lawyer is necessary for anyone this kids age, and any alleged confession is possibly false at the least, and likely illegal at best, leaving the police officer not fit to wear a uniform or badge, I hope the ACLU sues the city of Saint Johns into bankruptcy!

[kuei12]

Let the bush administration send in the cia to waterboard this kid and then lock him up in Cuba for a while. They''ll get the truth out of him.

[sjresident]

For the record, his step mother was at work when this shooting took place and then went straight to the grocery store on her way home otherwise she would be in the same place as her husband! The kid also admitted to that.
Unfortunately who knows if and when all the evidence will come out on this one because of the gag order but there is NOT only the confession! Come on people think! The police didn''t want to believe that this kid did it but all the evidence points straight to him. They have fingerprints on the bullets and gun. Even the first night this pyscho kid showed no emotion. Don''t you think that a "normal" kid would shed some tears if he had just found his father and another man dead? His story changed every time he told it even that first night. The police should not have interviewed this kid alone but remember they still thought he was a witness when they brought him in. Also, the County Attorney is an idiot who just lost the election and released the tape just to give this town and the new CA a black eye.

[tnz650-2009]

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